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Technical 13 and Theonesean - can one of you guys school me on using Trademark symbols? This article feels like an ad to me, based on the excessive use of them -- or maybe an example of NOT - but it doesn't otherwise meet the criteria for a decline. I'm leaving the article alone (in terms of reviewing it) - just looking for your guidance for future ref. (Here's the article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Kasasa Thank you! JSFarman (talk) 21:09, 18 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey, JSFarman, thanks for pinging me. I took a cursory look at MOS:TM, and it seemed to guide against using the symbol in favor of traditional style and formatting. This seems like a WP:SOFIXITthing, something that could be changed in thirty seconds. The article itself doesn't seem to meet notability. It says it has been covered in "The New York Times, The Washington Post, CNNMoney.com, and FOX BUSINESS." However, it cites one source for this: its own website, which is not a reliable source in and of itself. I, personally, would decline it as a non-notable corporation, leaving a comment about the sourcing issue, and after doing that, I would remove the trademark symbols, and perhaps rewrite the list as prose. But give it a more in-depth look. I just spent a few minutes on it. Thanks for being awesome, theonesean 06:27, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

Theonesean - Thank you - and thank you for turning me on to WP:SOFIXIT. I love that philosophically and practically and it answers another question I had yet to ask: how extensive should a reviewer edit be? (I admit it - sometimes an edit is such a huge amount of work that I skip the review entirely.) Thanks for taking the time to answer - YOU are awesome. JSFarman (talk) 17:22, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

JSFarman, I do like WP:SOFIXIT, it's one of my favorites. And you can be as extensive as you want to be: There is no WP:DEADLINE. If you don't want to edit an article, you don't have to. But, if an article does have simple WP:SOFIXIT edits but is otherwise an approvable article, you should probably make them before approving the articles. Thanks, thetwosean 14:37, 20 August 2013 (UTC)

Technical_13 Back again. This time it's because I want to help clear the backlog at AfC - only the no-brainers (quick fails). I read all the instructions and installed the script but I don't want to be learning the process on someone's submission. If I hit the 'decline' button, will it give me the appropriate template to decline the submission? (Mostly notability.) Is there a preview/save page option so I can correct any mistakes before anything goes live? Don't want to ask via IRC.

Are you sick of my questions yet? (I am.)

• Hitting decline brings up a new section in the tool that allows you to select decline reason and add a custom comment before declining the submissions, no worries. You may also be interested in checking out and signing up for User:Theonesean/sandbox/AfC Mentoring. The program is still in development, but what a better time to get in? :) Technical 13 (talk) 00:46, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Thanks! Going to sign up now!

• Also, as a minor sidenote... {{U|Technical 13}} only works if you make sure to have ~~~~ in the comment too. :) Technical 13 (talk) 00:59, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Technical_13, I've been trying to submit this draft to AfC and it doesn't look like it got submitted even though I moved it the right place... no "waiting for review" box or AfC categories....can you check? (If you wanna take a look at it I wouldn't mind :)...THANK YOU! JSFarmanJSFarman

Oops http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JSFarman/sandbox/Dr._Dana_Ardi

(PS I love the sandbox and the highlighting.)

Technical_13, (Is this thing on?) JSFarman (talk) 01:45, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

• Yep, works great. Technical 13 (talk) 01:56, 22 July 2013 (UTC)

I talk too much about how I love Wikipedia, and because of that,a friend of a friend, Greg Kurstin, hired me to correct/update and add references to his Wikipedia page. I've hired myself out from time to time since. Most of the edits I've done have been strictly a labor of love, mixed with a hint of mental illness -- I'm obsessed with Wikipedia. JSFarman (talk) 22:11, 28 March 2013 (UTC)

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Hi there - I noticed your name at the Meetup LA8 page for the wicnic so I thought 1920s in Los Angeles might interest you. If not, no worries. --Rosiestep (talk) 21:31, 15 June 2013 (UTC)

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I'm not too sure why I got the AfC notification of that - it's CPeffley's work, he just couldn't figure out how to submit it so I did it for him.--Launchballer 08:34, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

• Has it been approved? Launchballer? CPeffley (talk) 14:18, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Nope. The message you should've got is currently at User talk:Launchballer#Your submission at AfC Invest Financial Corporation (August 5).--Launchballer 14:26, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Launchballer - I'm relieved. I looked at your User page saw that you're an uber experienced editor -- I couldn't figure out why you would have submitted the IFC article as it was.

CPeffley - The references you used didn't establish notability. They went like this:

• Dead link
• Pay wall (which would have been fine if the others supported the article)
• Press release
• Insignificant
• Insignificant
• Insignificant

See: WP: Notability. (JSFarman (talk) 14:42, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Uber experienced, huh? I'm obliged to you. You think experienced enough for adminship?
Seriously, though, if that dead link could be resurrected, that would mean two independent articles have discussed it. I'm pretty sure that multiple means more than one and thus that would be enough (just), but I want your opinion first before I pass it.--Launchballer 14:54, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

None of the references he used work, other than (possibly) the article behind the pay wall and whatever the dead link is. Of the three others, one is a press release, two are listings, and I think (don't remember) one was a chunk of marketing material. He really needs to come up with better sources, particularly since it was so light on inline citations (!). And -- Adminship seems like it would just be a huge drag!! JSFarman (talk) 17:12, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

PS - Launchballer - if you're up for reviewing, can you please have a look at this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Amber_J_Lawson - it's been languishing at AfC - I know it's all good (hahahah, I went nuts on the refs, etc) but I don't want to move it myself. Just don't do it if you're pissed about the whole IFC thing. Hahahah again. JSFarman (talk) 17:25, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

I could move it now and it would survive easily, but there are a couple of tweaks to be done which I'll do first before moving it. But yes, that passes.--Launchballer 22:16, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

That is fantastic - THANK YOU! JSFarman (talk) 22:29, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

It was a pleasure.--Launchballer 22:46, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

• Launchballer - I was wondering if you would mind taking another look at the IFC article. I changed some references and took out the insignificant ones. I would like to get this article up as soon as possible. If you can help at all, that would be awesome! Thanks CPeffley (talk) 13:34, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Not bad, but there are still two refless sections: section 2.0 and section 3. Reference those and I'll have another look.--Launchballer 18:20, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

• Launchballer - I added the last two references that I used to create the page. Do you think it can be submitted now? Thanks CPeffley (talk) 17:35, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

It's a bit better, though they're primary sources. The competitors section, though, remains unreferenced; I really don't think sourcing that is going to be practical. I'm going to take it out. Otherwise I don't have too much of an issue with it, though I'm going to submit it rather than move it just in case.--Launchballer 17:47, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

• Launchballer - Hi, I was wondering if you had gotten any feedback regarding the IFC page yet? Thank you again for all of your help so far! CPeffley (talk) 14:29, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

I forgot all about it! My computer must've began crawling, causing me to close some tabs. Anyway, it's now in mainspace.--Launchballer 14:46, 14 August 2013 (UTC)

• Launchballer Awesome thank you! Do you know how I can edit the article title? It is actually supposed to be "INVEST" with all caps instead of "Invest". That is how it is always formatted and published. Thanks CPeffley (talk) 15:49, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

• CPeffleyIt can be done but if I were you I wouldn't do anything to call attention to it. Launchballer did you a big service by approving it in the first place -- none of the references are valid - if you do anything that makes noise it's likely to get tagged for speedy deletion. JSFarman (talk) 16:27, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I forgot all about it after my computer began crawling and I had to close some tabs. I tried to speed up the process and, yeah. The article was moved by RHaworth from Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/INVEST Financial Corporation to Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Invest Financial Corporation, but he didn't give a reason for it. On my screen, at the top of the page there is a pull-down menu that says "Page" and then click "Move page". However, on this occasion I have moved it myself since my footing is much quieter.--Launchballer 18:40, 15 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey JSFarman, thank you for taking the time to go over my section. I seem to be running into the same problem with not having the right amount of notability (or whatever may be the issue). I was hoping you could quickly point out some things that are not notable as I will try my best to edit these sections. Thanks in advance. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Cislo_%26_Thomas_LLP Mtheisner (talk) 15:04, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Hello, Mtheisner. I'm not sure it's a problem you'll be able to solve; based on the entry, the company is (in Wikipedia terms) run of the mill (WP: MILL). You need to establish why the company is notable, and based on the business itself and the references you provided, it's not. You might try leading the article with "Cislo & Thomas LLP is best known for having patented and invented, along with The Secure Case Co., the concept of lockboxes for pistols, back in 1987, which catalyzed the idea of securing firearms" but you'll need to provide solid (independent) refs. Also - I noticed that one of your principles is on the executive committee of the Los Angeles Bar - that's worth mentioning. Lastly, if you demonstrate why the cases you noted are important (with independent sources) it would help with establishing notability. Think encyclopedia - would the company be included in a traditional encyclopedia? Check here: Notability for organizations and companies. One last comment - you should probably take a look at the information re: formatting your references - otherwise your markup is dead-on - having the article functionally bulletproof may also work in your favor.

All of this is just my opinion, but hope it helps. JSFarman (talk) 16:13, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

Hey JSFarman, thank you for the valuable feedback as I have taken it to heart. I have made some changes to the site and I would be very appreciative if you could go over it again and give me your opinion. Also, I am embarrassed to admit but I do now know which principle is on the executive committee of the LA Bar. Many of the attorneys have been members but I did not see any to hold executive positions. I apologize for my shortcoming of knowledge and I would greatly appreciate every bit of information you can offer. Thank you very much for your time. Mtheisner (talk) 15:53, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Mtheisner Hello! I looked at the page, and it looks better (minus "locations" and some non neutral language) but you haven't proven notability. You need non-trivial independent sources to substantiate any statement of fact; the confirmation of the patent is good but most of the others aren't significant or independent. (Listings don't work.) You're welcome to submit it again, but the notability is important to establish -- I don't think another reviewer will accept it without proper sources. I'm so sorry! I wish I could be of more help. JSFarman (talk) 17:26, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Dont be sorry, I appreciate every bit of feedback I can get and you've been the most helpful editor yet. I am only curious, what is one source that does not meet the proper criteria? I believe the USPTO government site is not the issue nor the sites I listed for the specific cases. You mentioned listings as improper but is it not okay that I only used those for descriptions about the company? Touching again on notability, do you think adding more cases the company was apart of that changed the ways patent law was designed would do more? And again, I could not find any association with the LA BAR administration as you mentioned in your first comment and I would love to follow your advice and add that. What specifically were you talking about. Forgive me for my lengthy comments and thank you again for all your valuable help. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mtheisner (talk • contribs) 22:02, 22 August 2013 (UTC)

Well I got the information via his Facebook page. If that is not adequate enough, I can just remove those few sentences. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victimoflove97 (talk • contribs) 19:54, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Hi. Facebook isn't an independent source. It's created by Reggie Sears and therefore not independent. Also, I was using the suicide attempt as an example -- there are other statements in your article that aren't substantiated, and that's important to fix! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:Referencing_for_beginners and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Identifying_reliable_sources. Happy editing and thanks! JSFarman (talk) 20:10, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok, I am not sure exactly which other statements could you help me? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victimoflove97 (talk • contribs) 20:21, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Every single statement in the article needs to be referenced. You have a bunch of references which haven't been made inline yet; use those first and then we can talk about it.--Launchballer 20:47, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay I made some changes. Let me know! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Victimoflove97 (talk • contribs) 21:30, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Ok I double-checked everything last night and it should be looking good. Please review it for me.

Victimoflove97 (talk) 18:08, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

It's much better, but it's still not in the kind of shape it needs to be for publication. It would take a whole lot of work for a reviewer to shape it up.

I did the first sentence and the first reference for you. Take a look at it (and look at the underlying markup), and look at another musician's page. It has to be just the facts and written in an encyclopedic tone. Also: the references need only to support the facts in the article; I looked at some of them and they're not relevant. You need to go back through them! (There's also way too many -- you only need two or three to establish notability, and then you need to cite sources for statements of fact!)

You're way closer than you were! JSFarman (talk) 19:24, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Thank you, but I'm having a problem editing the references/sources.

Victimoflove97 (talk) 22:32, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Can you rewrite the page (based on the other musician pages) so that the tone is correct and the content is verifiable? Then I'll help you with the formatting. JSFarman (talk) 16:27, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay, I have rewritten the page but have noticed that many of my reference links within the article and many of the links in the references list do not appear. I hope that I am going in the right direction. Victimoflove97 (talk) 23:58, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

Okay I believe I have sorted it out. Please review it at your convenience and let me know what I can do or feel free to make any edits that you feel necessary. I would love to be a more active user as soon as I get the hang of it. Wikipedia is a very interesting site and formatting is very difficult but I am trying to get the hang of it. Please make any changes to the Reggie Sears page and if possible please let me know what changes you made so that I am able to learn.

Victimoflove97 (talk) 07:19, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Sorry for the delay. Comments are in CAPS.

Reggie Sears is an American recording artist, multi-instrumentalist musician & record producer (YOU NEED A SOURCE THAT SUBSTANTIATES THIS) and a former child prodigy guitar virtuoso. (YOU NEED A SOURCE - USE IT ONLY IF YOU CAN FIND AN ARTICLE THAT STATES SOMETHING ALONG THE LINES OF - "AS A CHILD, HE WAS REGARDED AS A GUITAR VIRTUOSO. ITALIC TEXT IS UNNECESSARY: Sears was inspired to sing after receiving a copy of Phil Thornalley's Swamp album. Sears began taking guitar seriously at age 11 after a cousin turned him onto Jimi Hendrix. At age 12 Reggie asked his dad to take him to an open-mic at a local club and Sears began gaining recognition as a young Blues guitarist. Bob Margolin Pinetop Perkins, Willie "Big Eyes" Smith, Hubert Sumlin; Sears even appeared with Rock and Roll Hall of Fame inductee Solomon Burke, who dubbed Reggie "the future [of Soul and Blues]". (YOU MUST HAVE SOURCE FOR THIS) Skippers Smokehouse in Tampa, FL and slowly built his way to headlining or co-headlining appearances at House Of Blues in Orlando, FL [1] On The Waterfront in Rockford, IL [2] and Cultural Fest in Las Vegas His 2nd CD “Blues Power” was released in fall of 2006 to little fanfare (ONLY WRITE 'TO LITTLE FANFARE' IF YOU CAN SOURCE IT) In late 2006 Reggie moved to the Southern Soul genre with the release of his 3rd CD “Southern Soul, Florida Style,” a collection of Blues and Southern Soul songs that gained little exposure or radio play. His 4th CD quietly dropped in summer 2007 with the lead single “Dip My Dipper”. In 2007 he served as musical director & lead guitarist for Miami Soul singer David Hudson as well as guitarist/bassist and musical director for The Soul Generals while recording his 5th CD “Sweet Thang” which was shelved in 2009 and remains unreleased. [3]

By the end of the year Reggie went on hiatus from music at age 16. The next few years went by with a few singles and some sporadic tour dates on the Chittlin Circuit. In 2010 Sears won a Soul Patrol “best of” in the Slow Jam category for his single “You Betrayed Me” (HOW WAS THIS RELEASED? WHAT FORMAT? CITE SOURCE FOR SOUL PATROL 'BEST OF' In November of that year he released his most successful single to date "Dirty Dancer" in mid-2010 which scraped the national Southern Soul charts. (CITE SOURCE) Sears continued performing locally while doing session work, appearing as the featured guitarist on Anakarenn's debut album as well as production work on Black Zack's "Southern Soul Radio" album as well as producing and mentoring local artists. Sears is currently in post-production on a new CD titled "So Many Roads" but so far no release info has been released. (CITE SOURCES) Contents [hide] 1 Influences 2 Discography 2.1 Singles 3 References

THE INFLUENCES SECTION IS UNNECESSARY

Here's how to properly write refs.

After the statement, hit the "cite web" option in the pull down menu. The dialogue box will come out. Fill in every box! The first is for the writer's name - Last and then First. The next box down is the title of the article; opposite is the URL for where you found the article on the web. Next row: fill in the date of the article and then the publication it appeared in. The last box you need to fill out is for the access date -- if you hit the icon on the right side of the bar it'll default to the current date. If you want to use the same reference more than once, give the article a title and write it into the ref name. Then, whenever you want to use that ref, use the "named references" icon in the tool bar, and select the ref you want to use.

There you go....! Love that you're so into this - I am too - and I'm still learning!

Okay I think I got it! Can you review it? Victimoflove97 (talk) 20:25, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Looks amazing! Great job with formatting the refs, etc. I have to run out - I won't be able to spend any time on this until Weds - but I can clean it up a bit then. As for reviewing it, I'm going to bounce it back to Launchballer - I think I've lost my ability to be neutral. (He might be able to clean it up and accept it more quickly than I can!) JSFarman (talk) 22:30, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

I'm pretty sure that would pass, but I'm going to format those final few references before putting it into mainspace.--Launchballer 22:46, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Launchballer Thank you! I am proud to almost have an article that's published on here. I look forward to editing and creating more...! Victimoflove97 (talk) 23:46, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Right, the title has been salted. I've asked Y to desalt the article and once that's done we can move the article there.--Launchballer 23:48, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

Launchballer Okay! That sounds interesting, although I am not too sure of what it means. Victimoflove97 (talk) 00:20, 13 August 2013 (UTC)

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Theonesean - Back again. I reviewed an article for the band My Darling Clementine (which I declined as an advertisement). It linked to Michael Weston King, which has multiple issues, one of which is a copyright violation: http://www.michaelwestonking.com/#/biography/ The way that I've interpreted the criteria for speedy deletion is that if an article has any content worth saving, it shouldn't be nominated for deletion. That may be the case with this one, although most of the article is directly from the bio. What should I do? Or can you mark it for deletion if it's appropriate? (Sorry to be asking you directly, but you're my unofficial mentor, and I'm not sure this belongs on the AfC talk page.) THANK YOU! JSFarman (talk) 17:08, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for contacting me. Generally, you're right about speedy deletion. However, copyvio can have serious legal implications for the Wikimedia Foundation, so every single copyvio must be marked for immediate deletion. For most others, however, speedy deletion only applies if there's nothing salvageable. Cheers, theonesean 21:00, 5 September 2013 (UTC)

Theonesean - Just marked it. Thank you. (Why do I feel guilty???)JSFarman (talk) 00:57, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Guilty? Don't feel guilty. You just saved the WMF from a nasty potential lawsuit! Feel proud! theonesean 01:25, 6 September 2013 (UTC)

Hello,

My first submission was declined due to the references not adequately showing the subject's notability. So I waited until large publications like ABC and the Chicago Tribune published articles on Bob Grogan running for Illinois Treasurer and resubmitted, thereby fulfilling the only reason provided for my submission's denial. Now you are saying that the newly submitted sources from ABC and the Chicago Tribune are not reliable sources and that "the references used don't support the majority of the article's content." How are ABC and the Chicago Tribune not reliable sources? Since the references don't support the majority of the article's content, I will literally delete everything except for the intro stating that Bob Grogan is running for Illinois Treasurer so that the sources only support the entire article submission--thereby making it impossible for anyone to claim the sources don't support the majority of the article.

I'm really confused about why this is continuing to be denied. I've created other wikipedia pages in the past with less known figures and they were approved with no problem at all. My other submission weren't of poltical figures, so I'm wondering if these denials are politically motivated... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Twhale01 (talk • contribs) 19:18, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Hiya,

I was commenting on this section of the article: "Grogan was born in Chicago, Illinois on February 23, 1968. He attended Hinsdale Central High School and later attended Miami University where he obtained a degree in Economics and Political Science. He is also an avid traveler having been to over 50 countries throughout Europe, Middle East, South America, and Asia. Bob and his wife Beth have three children: Anastasia, Robert, and Evelyn." The section is uncited.

I assure you my decline isn't at all politically motivated -- I'm diligent about neutrality, whether it's in an article I'm writing, or an article I'm reviewing.

Another reviewer might not have the same issue with the article - feel free to resubmit it! JSFarman (talk) 20:14, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

There is one minor problem with this article, and it is minor; the Career section isn't paragraphed very well. I think it could do with being split into three or four paragraphs with possibly a couple of extra sub-headings. But yeah, aside from that, a very good article.--Launchballer 16:28, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

Launchballer! Thank you. Editing it right now. JSFarman (talk) 16:38, 10 September 2013 (UTC) (Just made the changes - you're right - stronger article now.)

 Done--Launchballer 17:08, 10 September 2013 (UTC)

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Hello. There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.

Okay, it's done. I linked one of your recent edits.--Bbb23 (talk) 14:21, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Bbb23 - That was incredibly thorough. I didn't realize proposing a block would be so much work for you; thank you so much for doing it. JSFarman (talk) 16:55, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Yeah, that's why I was resisting. The worst thing is when you do all that work and it doesn't grab anyone, so nothing happens. There is a distinct possibility of that occurring here as this is restricted to an isolated area of the project. The one thing that might attract attention is the Smartway website, but users have to read far enough into my presentation to see that. If I didn't consider myself WP:INVOLVED, I'd take action on my own as I don't normally need permission to block a user. However, I changed too much content to take administrative action. We'll see what happens. Feel free to comment on the thread if you want to add something or just express an opinion. Any activity at all is usually helpful.--Bbb23 (talk) 17:33, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Bbb23 - I just added a comment in support of the block, although the example I used is almost more funny than egregious. It would be a huge drag if no action is taken. (I know this is irrelevant to the issue at hand - if I'm breaking policy by even mentioning it, please delete the comment - but one of the reasons I'm so passionate about this is that when I researched SmartWay I found a page on their site soliciting donations for victims of Hurricane Sandy through an organization which didn't appear to otherwise exist. It looks like the page has since been deleted. Maybe even today.)JSFarman (talk) 18:01, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Bbb23 - It was done! (You probably already know that, but I just checked the thread.) You rule.JSFarman (talk) 23:28, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Some friendly advice about your vote at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sylfronia King. Your focus should not be on Billboard, but on the notability of the article. Although the history of the article may marginally influence some voters, technically it's irrelevant. Even if an article was created by an "evil" user, if it's a notable article, it's kept (limited exception if it was created by a user who was already blocked or banned).--Bbb23 (talk) 22:38, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Bbb23 - Ahhhhh. Thank you. Still learning my way around. (This is why I generally stay away from contentious subjects.) JSFarman (talk) 22:42, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Your change is much better (you forgot to sign it, though). Your response to advice is commendable. I wish other users were as willing to learn. I don't think this particular AfD will be contentious (unless we get weird comments from Billboard and his cronies), but, just so you know, AfD is one of the more contentious non-administrative forums around. Usually the barbs are reserved for the nominator, but even comments can be picked on mercilessly. The issue of keeping/deleting articles is something that tends to bring out strong feelings.--Bbb23 (talk) 22:53, 15 September 2013 (UTC)

Bbb23- I just spent way too long reading discussions at AfD - I'm not going near there ever again. I'm going to have nightmares. (I appreciate your advice - THANK YOU - I made some early mistakes and I'm still regretting them.) JSFarman (talk) 04:51, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Don't waste your time regretting any mistakes. Just learn from them and move on. We all make them; I know I do. Did you notice that other editors at the AfD discussion mentioned the indefinite block of Billboard22? But also note that Black Kite, the nominator and an estimable administrator, did not mention anything about the promotional history, just addressed the notability guidelines. Your revised vote was much better and to the point.--Bbb23 (talk) 23:34, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

When you put Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/William J Craddock under review, a bug in the AFC Helper Script caused issues, so I took it off of review. See Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Articles for creation/Helper script/archive%%0#Placing submissions under review blindly picks top template for discussion of this bug. davidwr/(talk)/(contribs) 03:22, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I was hoping you could provide clarification about your rejection comments for the Small Luxury Hotels of the World page.

You said: "Sources need to be independent of the subject; most of the references here are related to SLS". What does SLS stand for? Was it meant to say SLH (an acronym for the brand)? If so, is it that too many references are from the SLH website?

Many thanks. Kald2013 (talk) 10:47, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Kald2013 (talk) - Hiya, and thanks for getting in touch. Sorry about the confusion - SLS was a typo; it should have been SLH.

References need to be independent, and 6 of the 12 sources used in the article are from the SLH site; another is a press release. The Benzinga article is based on an interview - much of the content is preceded by phrases like "According to Kerr" and "Kerr says." The ABJ article appears to be an advertorial (which the publication describes in their advertising section). The SLH reference in the collaborative marketing book doesn't look significant (although I could be wrong on that, given that I've only seen limited results via a Google books search), and Leaders is another interview. The Economia reference is solid, given that there's editorial in addition to the interview.

I'm familiar with SLH and I have no doubt that the company is notable -- you just need to add references. This is a good ref as is this - it took some digging to find them, but they're out there.

If you'd like, hit me back after you've added some refs - I'll be happy to review the article again. JSFarman (talk) 16:09, 16 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi, thank you very much for explaining, and for giving example references. I've made some amends: I've removed references from the SLH site (I've left in one from a related site, joinslh.com, as that is the only place that describes exactly what the company does!). I have also removed the less reliable news sources, and added more reliable ones: Forbes, NYT, The Telegraph and another Economia article. Please let me know if you think further amends are needed.

Many thanks Kald2013 (talk) 14:36, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Kald2013 (talk - Hello again. The referencing looks much better - you should resubmit. (I'm not offering to review it myself because I'm conflicted about the content - I think it borders on advertising - but someone else might feel differently and I'd love to see you get the article published. 97.90.153.248 (talk) 18:35, 26 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi, I hope you can clarify your rejection of Mark Williams Thomas for lack of good sources. It may not be apparent to an American but the Jimmy Savile story, and the consequent change in attitudes to historic sex offences on minors has been one of the major stories of the last year in the UK. Indeed the London Press Awards felt it was the most important story of the year and gave MWT their Scoop of the Year award for revealing the scandal. Obviously the draft article could be longer and better sourced but the BBC, Guardian and Press Gazette are all good sources as it is. The draft article would soon be improved no end by other contributors. I don't have time to write a longer, better referenced article myself at the moment but I think MWT would be a serious omission for Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dan904 (talk • contribs) 11:02, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Dan904 talk Hi. We actually know about Jimmy Savile over here! My decline on the article wasn't about the significance of the subject. I agree that others would flesh out the article but that doesn't necessarily mean it should be published as is. I'll find more refs later today - take a look at it in the morning and if you're good with it, resubmit. JSFarman (talk) 15:01, 20 September 2013 (UTC)

Dan904 talk - I did an edit, but there are a GAZILLION sources that can be used and I don't have time to cite this more thoroughly - you can resubmit if you want but I don't think it's anywhere near complete.JSFarman (talk) 04:10, 21 September 2013 (UTC)

Sept 22 Hello JSFarman : Thanks for taking the time to look at the submission and your kind comment that it is an interesting subject. I made substantial revisions and additions to the references, as you suggested. This is my first submission. I tried to respond to you but was unable to link the article, so I hit resubmit with my new version.

Another reviewer rejected it saying it sounded like an advertisement. I have revised it again and added many iimprovements to the description about engine history and development and how it relates to the model engine machining community. Can you look at the newest version? Do you have any suggestions how I can describe the work done to miniaturize aircraft radial engines to address concerns about it soundin like an advertisement?  

I do not know how to link my article to this message. Can you help? https://en.wikipedia.org/ageless engines Is this correct?

Here is my email:

peggy.kreimer@steppingstonesohio.org 

Thanks, By12lisa By12lisa (talk) 23:20, 22 September 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by By12lisa (talk • contribs) 23:18, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

HiBy12lisa (talk)- you need to go back through the article and get rid of any of the words that hype or promote the company - "accomplished" is one of them - there are a few scattered throughout the submission. The referencing is much better but it *does* read a bit like an advertisement! JSFarman (talk) 22:28, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for the review of my article. There are references for much of the information that I have and I can include them. But it raises a few questions which I would appreciate some further guidance. This is my first attempt and although I have done published book reviews, I am new to this process. So thanks for helping out a newcomer.

1. What is the implication of the policy for information that is deducible regarding references? For example I described the subject as a "polymath". I concluded that because I deduced it from the fact that he has scholarly publications in leading journals in a number of different and typically unrelated fields and I included a sample list of his many publications. I also noted that the term "polymath" was used in many Wikipedia biographies and I couldn't find one where that was footnoted with a reference. Are deductions of this type OK?

2. I can provide references for some of the material in my draft but by no means all. I was trying to weigh comprehensiveness against documentation. I gather from your criticism that it is preferable to have a shorter article of only documentable material that may leave out material facts than have everything covered at the expense of documentation.

3. How does one document vital statistics about an individual, ie birth, education, children, employment, etc. I had contacted the subject and told him that I was doing an article about him and he assisted in two ways. He sent me his curriculum vitae (academic professional resume), but I did not check each and very fact. I did check out his Doctorate at Columbia university however as I saw a criticism that some Wikipedia articles were describing phony degrees. I also did two interviews with him. When I do scholarly articles, I document interviews with a footnote citing the date, place and method of the interview. Should I follow the same interview footnoting as I do for American Psychological Association Journal Articles? I also talked with two of his colleagues, and they gave me some of the facts. Should I document those interviews as well?

4. I see that it would be better to concentrate on his academic and intellectual ideas which are very well documented, but he has done stuff I know little about. He even wrote some orchestral fugues, dramatic incidental music for a Molier play, a wedding march, and some chorales for a Church. I am a musical clod and have no idea if these are trash or good. He is not a serious composer and there were no reviews of any of his music. However, I thought it interesting that a high powered scientist, executive, government official should even have ever written music. Should I just forget about things like that for which I have no documentation and/or competency?

Again, thanks in advance for helping me. I have been using Wikipedia for so many years now as my MAJOR reference tool, that I thought that I should start to contribute. I was using some of Eigen's work professionally, and looked him up in Wikipedia and was surprised to not find an article, though he and his work is cited by, Wikipedia Articles on various subjects. So I thought I would try and fill that hole as my first contribution. I now see a shorter, more intellectual article where the ideas and material and disagreements can be documented from his published work and that of others. I look forward to hearing from you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ned Fresius (talk • contribs) 23:55, 22 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi Ned Fresius (talk - sorry for the delay, and forgive the brevity of my response! Your questions are great, but I think there's probably someone else who would be better to answer your questions - I'm not strong on Academics.

My comment about the references was in regard to the biographical information - you haven't cited any sources. See: WP: VERIFY and WP: BLP - The article is well written, neutral - it even LOOKS good - but the referencing is essential. I did Jennifer Aaker - check out the citations - hopefully it'll help! JSFarman (talk) 22:51, 24 September 2013 (UTC)

Now I understand after I read the Jennifer Asker article. I can do that. In the academic world, we do not cite things that are not Refereed Journals--those are the only acceptable references. But if all published documents and websites are allowed, I think i could provide the references to 80 percent of what I wrote. I will do that and drop the other 20 percent until I can find references for them. I am very busy this week and will probably get to it next week. Thanks again or your help. Ned Fresius (talk) 23:01, 14 October 2013 (UTC)

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Hello JS,

I appreciate your time and help in getting the Ageless Engines entry up to snuff. 
I hope you can look at the latest icarnation just resubmitted. I have made sure references are from outside sources and reworked much of the history and development information to deal with concerns about sounding commercial. Thanks for any additional suggestions, thoughts or comments.  You are a peach.  - By12lisa By12lisa (talk) 16:24, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Hi there, is anyone working on the Irobot chatroom? I need help with my submission. Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bradley Kohn (talk • contribs) 12:16, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

I just added 3-4 new references to Jessie as a director. I — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bayrockmedia (talk • contribs) 05:01, 3 October 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for you for your help and taking the extra time to write the comment about why the reference aren't up to scratch. I'll remove PR references and any references that are essentially made by AFerry (press releases, about us) and only leave the independent newspaper reviews. After doing this should I go back to you or resubmit? Also I don't have much time for this now is my article for creation in danger of deletion after a certain period of time of not resubmitting? Thanks once again especially for re-clarifying - to be honest I could have guessed that was the issue anyway! This is harder than I thought! A lot! But I do think we have enough independent references (not PR or based on PR). The Daily Mail article actually has some quite negative points about us! GoldenClockCar (talk) 10:35, 7 October 2013 (UTC)

Helllo GoldenClockCar (talk), and thanks for the thanks. It took me a day to respond because I was trying to find out exactly how long a declined article could live at AfC before being deleted. Never found it, but I think it's six months. It won't be deleted anytime soon. When you're ready to resubmit it, you should go through the general AfC process, but leave a message here as well. I'm not sure I'll still be reviewing - it's incredibly time-consuming -- but if I am, I'll take a look at it. Thanks for getting in touch. JSFarman (talk) 14:11, 8 October 2013 (UTC)

Hello JSFarman, okay thanks very very much for taking the time to look for that information. Good to know it won't disappear for a while in the AfC stage! Have a great day. I'll do as you say when it comes to resubmitting. Francis (real name) GoldenClockCar (talk) 09:32, 9 October 2013 (UTC)

On 6 November 2015, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Harry Brand, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that press agent Harry Brand had 20th Century Fox insure Betty Grable's legs (pictured) for $1 million? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Harry Brand. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, live views, daily totals), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Graeme Bartlett (talk) 00:01, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you Julie, do tell everyone you meet how good it is to see your articles get magically better. That's the way that DYK is meant to work. Sometimes you just get someone who wants to just explain how important they are, but most of the time its just nice people working well together. Sometimes you even get someone who shows you a whole new aspect to your article (say that Brand was a Russian spy) and that great. We give out a medal when you have done 25. Do ooze at the "did you know" project as it would be good for them to remember what the project is about. Although we don't very often get a newbie as experienced at wiki stuff as you are. Do return to my talk page if you get hassle or you want to help with fixing the low number of women bios on Wiki. You will also get a buzz when you see how many people have read your article .... tomorrow. Cheers Victuallers (talk) 20:58, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Victuallers! Thanks for the encouragement (or thanks for the thanks for the thanks). I love the idea of Harry Brand, Spy. (I wouldn't be all that surprised.) I will definitely ooze at DYK! And since I am part of AfC, I see a ton of new articles, and as such can maybe come up with 25 hooks. New motivation!

AND! 2000+ views on Harry Brand. That is amazing! Julie JSFarman (talk) 13:25, 7 November 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for supporting my run for administrator. I am honored and grateful. ) Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:11, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Julie, I consider you a friend even though we have only spent about 20 minutes talking face to face in San Diego last year. But we have some fun bullshitting about dogs and music on Facebook, don't we? Any time you need my help, just ask, and I will do my best. Thank you. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 06:11, 24 July 2017 (UTC)

Cullen³²⁸ I am so delighted by the overwhelming response to your RfA! It renews my faith in Wikipedia. And I know you'll be a spectacular administrator.

It seems like we met before San Diego, but maybe that was via dogs and music on Facebook...it's good to know you both for real, online, and on WP. Thank you so much for the message and your friendship, and I will definitely be availing myself of your offer to help! Nothing has changed there.  :) JSFarman (talk) 02:22, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

Hi JSFarman - thanks for your help on my article P.G. Morgan. I have a few follow up questions I'm hoping you can help me with to get this article up and running - would removing the early life section all together help speed the process up? Additionally - how would you recommend dealing with the extra citations? As the draft suggests, I've had many different suggestions on how many citations to use/how to cite things. Would you use one primary citation on the actual sentence/statement, and list the rest of them as references in an additional section? Any insight you can provide here would be most helpful. Thanks again! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cmh02010 (talk • contribs) 21:15, 4 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi Cmh02010 (talk). Sorry for the delay. I just went through the references, and they don't support the assertions of the article. The first goes to the landing page for ISIS, nothing about P.G Morgan. The second ref isn't independent. The third, for the BAFTA awards, doesn't mention his name, and a search on the site for P.G. Morgan, Peter Morgan, and Peter Gwynne Morgan returns no results. #4 isn't independent (and doesn't support the info it follows). The BBC cite would be good if the program was a) transcribed and b)available. First Cut 2 links to a preface, and when I searched the book it appeared that the Peter Morgan referred to is the *other* Peter Morgan. I don't really have time to go through the other references.

To verify his credits, you only need one reference via an independent reliable source. His own website is not valid.

I searched Oxford, Fringe Festival, and other details under each possible name and didn't come up with anything. Your best bet would be to write and submit a stub.If you add all of his credits, you'll end up with a resume, essentially, and that's not what Wikipedia is about. Thanks, Julie JSFarman (talk) 05:51, 7 August 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for creating Evelyn McDonnell, JSFarman!

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Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 22:53, 11 August 2017 (UTC)

Hi JSFarman, I just wanted to let you know that I have added the "autopatrolled" permission to your account, as you have created numerous, valid articles. This feature will have no effect on your editing, and is simply intended to reduce the workload on new page patrollers. For more information on the autopatrolled right, see Wikipedia:Autopatrolled. Feel free to leave me a message if you have any questions. Happy editing! Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 02:38, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Cullen³²⁸All of the time that I used to spend cursing the backlog will now be devoted to singing your praises. Thank you! JSFarman (talk) 02:48, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Your simple thanks is sufficient, since the work you have done creating well referenced and well written articles shows that you deserve this. Cullen³²⁸ Let's discuss it 04:15, 12 August 2017 (UTC)

Dear JS Farman, many thanks for your look at the article and also your super helpful comments! I have done as you suggested, including removing some of the language that I couldn't find references for, and have also included a number of new references where I could find them. The article is now a little shorter, and I hope more to the point. One issue that Ive had is with references from newspaper archives where you can only obtain access if you have a paid subscription. There are a couple of these references in the article, and I have downloaded the pdfs, but can't upload them to wikicommons. The upside of having made copies is Ive been able to be more precise about the dates of these articles, page numbers etc. The article URL is here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Draft:Bughouse_(Australian_band)#cite_note-24 Many thanks again for your help, and all or any new suggestions gratefully received. Stavros41 (talk) 16:04, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Dear JSFarman. Thank you so much for helping to improve the article and for posting it! Thrilled to have first article up!!. Stavros41 (talk) 14:29, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

A file that you uploaded or altered, File:All Music Homepage circa 1999.jpg, has been listed at Wikipedia:Files for discussion. Please see the discussion to see why it has been listed (you may have to search for the title of the image to find its entry). Feel free to add your opinion on the matter below the nomination. Thank you. Jon Kolbert (talk) 15:31, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

I left a comment on the discussion page, Jon Kolbert, but I agree - it's not the right image for the article.JSFarman (talk) 16:42, 8 September 2017 (UTC)

• Insulatedpolar (talk · contribs)
  • Draft:Wicanders (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)

Hi JSFarman,

Thank you for reviewing my article, I believe I have made the adjustments you requested. Please let me know if any further tone changes make sense, or if you have any other recommendations.

Insulatedpolar (talk) 14:06, 12 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi Julie, I am the subject of a page you reviewed and moved from draft form earlier today. The title is "Jeremy McCoy (double bass)". Thanks for accepting the article! I see a problem that should probably be corrected right away. After reading up a bit, I think it means making a move not an edit. The article should really be named "Jeremy McCoy (double bassist)". That's grammatically better and it will also match a disambiguation note on an article titled "Jeremy McCoy". The note there lists "Jeremy McCoy (double bassist)" so it isn't linking. The other Jeremy McCoy isn't just a musician, like me, he's also a bass player!!(bass guitar, as opposed to double bass, but pretty darn close). You can imagine the online morphing and confusion - especially with google's acquisition of youtube. Having two defined articles on wikipedia should help. I hope you can make this change without much trouble and send the article out into the wiki-sphere with this better title. Thank you very much for your time and expertise! JM 24.46.150.16 (talk) 02:11, 14 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi Jeremy. That's wild! I've moved the page to Jeremy McCoy (double bassist). All the best, Julie

Thanks Julie! The disambiguation link from the "Jeremy McCoy" article works but shows in red and "not created". I deleted cookies and still red. Maybe it will self correct? Jeremy 24.46.150.16 (talk) 00:19, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Yep - self corrected. It's blue now. Cheers, J 24.46.150.16 (talk) 00:24, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

Hi Julie, When an article is renamed, do internal links (like categories) auto-correct? Is there a way to trigger that? Also, that disambiguation link is back to red. Curious why it would correct and then revert. Thanks, JM24.46.150.16 (talk) 03:15, 15 September 2017 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I'm not following you. Nothing changes when an article is moved other than the title. The DAB is showing up blue for me...?

	U.S. women in the Olympics and Paralympics barnstar
	I wanted to say thank you for handling the logistics for the U.S. women in the Olympics and Paralympics edit-a-thon at the LA84 Foundation. It turned out wonderful! Rosiestep (talk) 15:51, 19 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you, Rosie! You accomplished so much with this edit-a-thon. I wish I could have been there. Thank you for doing this, and for all of the inspiration and motivation to get WP LA fired up. xx!JSFarman (talk) 23:02, 20 September 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for improvement this article. Thank you!Ngochue456 (talk) 02:21, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Thank you for thanking me - it's great to cross paths with someone so considerate -- but I don't think it was me. (I can't find any edits to the article in my history.) JSFarman (talk) 02:30, 14 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi JSFarman,

You responded to my query about creating a text box (or whatever the box in the top right of wikipedia articles is called) a while back and I meant to respond and say thanks but it completely slipped me by. In any case, thank you for creating one in the "Laura Briggs" page that I created. And thanks for the encouragement about creating feminist-related articles! In a world that, in my very limited experience, can feel somewhat devoid of true human interaction--that is, the complicated world of wikipedia--I truly appreciated that support!

-Faune — Preceding unsigned comment added by Faunevita (talk • contribs) 17:11, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Faune. It was my pleasure. Truly! Thanks for writing the article. Julie JSFarman (talk) 20:36, 20 December 2017 (UTC)

An article that you have been involved in editing—Anna Jones (businessperson)—has been proposed for merging with another article. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 15:02, 11 January 2018 (UTC)

Hi, Thanks for leaving me a message. La Crosse Tribune is a broadsheet newspaper, therefore they are a highly reliable source and never make a very stupid mistake. While The Daily Telegraph sometimes making a very silly mistake. Please read this (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/9450131/Singer-Adele-babysits-for-a-strangers-child-at-high-street-cafe.html) Adele's 21 albums sold 220 million?. That's look silly. Thanks Politsi (talk) 12:39, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Hi Politsi and thanks for your reply. I'm with you on the inflated Adele number. However, the Telegraph (also a broadsheet) is a newspaper of record.

In terms of the La Crosse Tribune, the term "broadsheet" is used to describe its size. It doesn't confer reliability; it's not relevant. La Cross is a small town, and tabloid dailies are published in large markets with multiple dailies. It's the differentiator; tabloids are sensational by design. Consider the New York Times (broadsheet) vs. The New York Post, (tabloid) or the Sydney Morning News (broadsheet) vs. the Sydney Daily Telegraph or London's Times, Telegraph and Guardian (broadsheets) vs. The Sun, The Mirror or The Daily Mail (tabloids).

Also: Reliability is based on authority, expertise, and the presumption of fact checking. The journalist for the La Crosse paper is not a specialist -- he writes about entertainment and county government - he may not even be a professional journalist. Further, small town newspapers very rarely employ fact checkers. They can barely afford writers.

I rewrote the Neil Diamond lede without using a number for total sales. We need to find a better source for this article. And for the best selling artists chart, although it must be noted that there are no official or reliable sources for worldwide sales. Zero. None. JSFarman (talk) 17:01, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

Politsi, I just moved Neil Diamond back to 130 on the best selling albums chart, and will reintroduce the number to the article on him as well. He's about to receive a Lifetime Grammy Award, and there are ample sources, including NARAS, who I suspect may be more reliable than the LaCrosse Tribune. (Here's the 130 million stat via grammy.com JSFarman (talk) 01:10, 16 January 2018 (UTC)