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Stink Mitt

  • 18:29, 18 June 2011 Joe Decker (talk | contribs) deleted page Stink Mitt (Expired PROD, concern was: Notability concerns)

Wondering if things have changed in the years since which ,might qualify the article for undeletion.

One of their songs "Jail Bait", was performed in the 2013 premiere of Lost Girl (season 3) which gave it a lot of exposure.

Listed at http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2135718/soundtrack

A brief clip of the show where the song is played: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNvvWBeS4DA

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Even in 2010 they were also covered in the news as an underground performer: http://torontoist.com/2010/05/will_munro_by_bruce_labruce/

Also talked about as early as 2005 in Fuse Magazine: https://books.google.ca/books?id=IQwxAQAAIAAJ&q=%22Stink+Mitt%22&dq=%22Stink+Mitt%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CDcQ6AEwBWoVChMIwa-eo8vJxgIVUy6ICh3EkQP7

The group is also referenced on Robert Morfitt's article who did their videos.

The 2013 book "Army of Lovers" lists them as among the more memorable queer acts: https://books.google.ca/books?id=8UGqAAAAQBAJ&pg=PT70&dq=%22Stink+Mitt%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAWoVChMIwa-eo8vJxgIVUy6ICh3EkQP7#v=onepage&q=%22Stink%20Mitt%22&f=false

They are also mentioned in the 2014 book Fork in the Left, Knife in the Back: https://books.google.ca/books?id=mdG1AwAAQBAJ&pg=PT103&dq=%22Stink+Mitt%22&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAGoVChMIwa-eo8vJxgIVUy6ICh3EkQP7#v=onepage&q=%22Stink%20Mitt%22&f=false

I guess the main thing is that the exposure and popularity of Lost Girl seems to establish some notability for the band. 174.92.134.248 (talk) 18:01, 7 July 2015 (UTC)

HI,
First, my apologies for the delay in getting back to you.
So, here's the deal. The article, as a proposed deletion is eligible to be restored on request. What will likely happen if I do that is that someone will ask for it to be considered for deletion using the WP:AFD, "articles for deletion" process, and what you've presented so far probably won't be enough to qualify the article to stay. The basic threshold we need to meet for sources is the general notability guideline, which is unfortunately full of words being used in specific-to-Wikipedia senses. I made an attempt to make a more accessible presentation of the requirement at one point at User:Joe Decker/IsThisNotable. Basically we need to sources, but each has to be reliable (IMDB isn't considered so), has to provide signficant coverage (think a couple paragraphs or so), not be routine concern announcements or the like, and so on. So, your call, but if you have more in the way of sources, or can get some assistance at WikiProject Music (google should provide) for sources that would meet those requirements, it might be wiser to start there before asking me to restore. Best of luck either way! --j⚛e deckertalk 17:39, 15 July 2015 (UTC)


John Banks Elliott

Dear Joe Decker, Can you please help resolve a problem with wiki/User:NeilN who thinks the article about the Ambassador is not my own and I have no right to access it. He has sent me a warning about violating the three-revert rule on John Banks Elliott of which I do not understand. I did extend the article as it is time it was completed in a befitting manner. Please have a look, as NeilN is trying to bring up things that have already been discussed and closed. Thank you, kind regards,Dorothyelliott (talk) 22:57, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Hi Dorothy,
I"m away at the moment and won't be able to provide a lot of assistance, a certain amount of back and forth is part of our process here, I do understand that it's frustrating. I think fro the moment my best suggestion is to ask for assistance at the WP:Teahouse. I see that NeilN has some concerns about whether particular claims are neutral and sourced, and that is something that an uninvolved opinion might be helpful with. Sorry I can't be of help at the moment! --j⚛e deckertalk 17:43, 15 July 2015 (UTC)

Request to bring back page for host Oliver Trevena


Hello, I am proposing we bring back the page for actor and TV host Oliver Trevena. Before when his page was up the show Young Hollywood was not a national show and was only a web series. Oliver had only been in a few short films. http://www.younghollywood.com/videos/yhstudio/2015/bean-performs-wildfire-live-and-discusses-her-writing-process.html There are hundreds of videos on YoungHollywood.com of Oliver hosting the show and interviewing celebrities. Episodes are starting to get added to his IMDB now each week. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3165541/ I would suggest the page look something like this;

Oliver Trevena is best known for for regularly hosting the celebrity chat show Young Hollywood. He was born and raised in East Sussex, England and is the youngest of four sons. Oliver trained at the South East Theatre Society & RADA. In his early acting days, he starred in William Shakespeare's "A Midsummer Night's Dream". Later, he starred in a variety of plays, including "The King and I", "Bugsy Malone" and even "Oliver". He has since starred in movies like, The Long Road (2008), Ready? OK!(2008) and TV appearances in The Good Guys, Leverage, The Forgotten and How to Rock. He was engaged to Laura Vandervoort for over a year. He has his own luxury luggage line with S.Mkellar and is a brand ambassador for Allsaints clothing. He is a spokesman for the non-profit organization Not For Sale and R.I.S.E. & Stand Inc.

Links: http://www.imdb.com/name/nm3165541/ http://olivertrevena.com/ http://www.presspassla.com/oliver-trevena-young-hollywoods-rising-star/ http://www.starsightings.com/Oliver-Trevena/ http://www.ok.co.uk/celebrity-news/laura-vandervoot-oliver-trevena-call-off-engagement http://www.gettyimages.com/photos/oliver%20trevena http://www.laughfactory.com/OliverTrevena http://truthandiliza.com/archives/305 http://rjwilliamsonline.com/tag/oliver-trevena/

I can find more links if needed. KatrinaMcCaffery (talk) 01:31, 21 July 2015 (UTC)KatrinaMcCaffery

Hi Katrina,
Our inclusion criteria for people, WP:BASIC, requires more than a few web links, it requires links which are reliable (e.g., from journalists and an organization with a reputation for fact-checking), independent (interviews, pages from the fellow himself or people he's working with don't count), and in-depth (individual photos at Getty, etc., don't count.) Based on my experience, I don't believe that the sources you've provided here meet that criteria. You are welcome to appeal my decision at WP:DRV.
You may also take a look at User:Joe Decker/IsThisNotable. I'm still working on refining it, but my hope is to provide a more step-by-step (if still not simple) approach to explaining what we need in terms of demonstrating notability. I hope that it will be helpful.
Best of luck, --j⚛e deckertalk 16:15, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Request on 19:16:50, 22 July 2015 for assistance on AfC submission by Paulsoubry

Hi there, I am attempting to create a wiki page for Paul Soubry. The content that you are citing as copyrighted is actually content that I have written for Mr Soubry as his marketing manager at New Flyer. How can I get it approved? or do I need to create all new content for this page.

thanks, Jody Stadnyk, Marketing Manager New Flyer.



Paulsoubry (talk) 19:16, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining. Since the work was done for hire, you are not the owner of the copyright of the material, and in any case, we'd need a license to use it. When you go to edit here, did you notice, or do you now notice, the text which says " you irrevocably agree to release your contribution under the CC BY-SA 3.0 License and the GFDL with the understanding that a hyperlink or URL is sufficient for CC BY-SA 3.0 attribution"? That's an agreement than only the owner of the copyright can make. If the owner of the copyright of the text would like to do so, instructions for doing so are at WP:Donating copyrighted materials.
However, do note that such material is usually not suitable for inclusion in any case, as it's rarely written in an entirely arm's length manner. Generally, it's best to actually start by finding material which is written independently in journalistic sources about the subject, and to summarize (not copy) what they talk about, what they emphasize, and so on.
I realize we're a pretty opaque bureaucracy around here, and that that can be frustrating. I would recommend reading WP:Your first article, and WP:PSCOI. You may also find the WP:Teahouse a great place to ask questions as a new editor here. Best of luck. --j⚛e deckertalk 20:03, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Your draft article, Draft:The Jubilee Project

Hello, Joe Decker. It has been over six months since you last edited your WP:AFC draft article submission, entitled "The Jubilee Project".

The page will shortly be deleted. If you plan on editing the page to address the issues raised when it was declined and resubmit it, simply edit the submission and remove the {{db-afc}} or {{db-g13}} code. Please note that Articles for Creation is not for indefinite hosting of material deemed unsuitable for the encyclopedia mainspace.

If your submission has already been deleted by the time you get there, and you want to retrieve it, you can request its undeletion by following the instructions at WP:REFUND/G13. An administrator will in most cases undelete the submission.

Thanks for your submission to Wikipedia, and happy editing. HasteurBot (talk) 14:00, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Not mine, just something I probably tried to clean up for another editor some months back. No concerns. --j⚛e deckertalk 19:33, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Traditional Britain Group (2nd nomination)

In regards to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Traditional Britain Group (2nd nomination), in Britain, or, in the United Kingdom, "Searchlight" ("The Searchlight magazine") are a far-left non-membership-based Trotskyist (non-aligned) (or, "anti-fascist", as they would like to call themselves and the magazine that they publish) political organisation, founded in 1975 and refounded in 2011 by Gerry and Sonia Gable, and whose main purpose is to publish the far-left general-Trotskyite otherwise-fringe political magazine under the same name, which focuses upon exposing the British Far Right, as they would see it, real or otherwise. It certainly cannot be reliably used for a test of a subject's general (rather than specific political) notability for the purpose of Wikipedia, outside of the myopic and very specialist anti-far-right sole obsession, real or imagined, of the British far-left. -- Urquhartnite (talk) 09:00, 2 August 2015 (UTC)

Good to know. Doesn't appear to be an issue in any case, as even if it were such a source it wasn't sufficient for notability. --j⚛e deckertalk 19:33, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

WP:PRD, John S. Hagmann

I'm nominating this for deletion. A google search turned up nothing that indicates notoriety. I fell onto this researching another John Hagmann currently in the news for all the wrong reasons! You were the last significant editor of this Hagmann page, and I also saw that you are active @ AfD. I've never put a link in a title before, but it seems efficient. Is it kosher? Regards Tapered (talk) 01:24, 26 July 2015 (UTC)

PS I don't think that his association with the very notable Stern, and one cite of it, is sufficient for WP:N. Tapered (talk) 01:27, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
No concerns, I added a reference during a very frenetic attempt to dig through and find more seriously problematic unsourced BLPs (and add at least *something* in the way of a source to those that aren't. I suspect this guy exists and that this isn't an attack piece, but he may very well not be notable. Thanks for the notification. --j⚛e deckertalk 07:17, 26 July 2015 (UTC)
@Tapered: If this gets deleted, I'd suggest a redirect to Robert_A._M._Stern#Career --j⚛e deckertalk 20:10, 27 July 2015 (UTC)
Sounds good. Tapered (t::::alk) 00:48, 28 July 2015 (UTC)
Cool, I made the redirect. --j⚛e deckertalk 19:36, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

Calito Soul AFD

The Spanish article hasn't been deleted: es:Calito Soul, someone just made a spelling mistake when linking it to the AFD. Not that it should matter much, I doubt anyone would speedy renominate, but just letting you know in case they do and if it affected how you interpreted the consensus. Cheers, Vrac (talk) 20:01, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

I've reverted myself, and will reconsider, or leave it to the next closer to come along. Thanks for the clue bat!  :) --j⚛e deckertalk 20:03, 4 August 2015 (UTC)

The Night Runners

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Hey, Joe, where you goin' with that gun in your hand?

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