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A cup of coffee for you!

I wanted to write and say thanks for speaking up about drug pricing. You covered all the major arguments which come up in these discussions. You are also right about everything you say, and expressing the standard and normal opinions on the matter. Whatever you are saying is the majority position.

I participated in this discussion supporting the inclusion of prices. At the same time, I wanted to come here and personally say that I work for a nonprofit organization that advocates for the general public to have access to drug prices. It can sometimes be unfair when an employee from an organization comes to Wikipedia and joins a discussion. I definitely do not want to oppose your position, or keep you from being heard, so I thought that I would come here and say hello and ask if there is anything that I could do to make sure that whatever you have to say gets all the respect and attention it should have from the Wikipedia community. Sometimes in the past, I have felt frustrated when I was talking with employees of organizations on Wikipedia, and I would not want you to feel that way.

Thanks a lot for speaking up. What you say is Wikipedia's default, and what should be followed until and unless there is consensus to change. Blue Rasberry (talk) 15:30, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

Dear Bluerasberry, I am genuinely moved by your message. Thank you for the disclosure. I am also linked to two nonprofit organisations which advocate for access to medicines, although in our case - rare diseases - we also have to consider higher development costs and smaller "customer population", so we cannot always press for lower prices. Also, I am a volunteer, not an employee. That said, in no way am I an expert on drug pricing, and I know the matter primarily through the prism of drug pricing in rare diseases (excellent EURORDIS conferences!).
As far as I recall, mean price for a given drug varies greatly across EU, with some payers (usually, national healthcare providers) agreeing to pay even 2–2.5 times more than the prices charged to other EU payers. Details of each contract are of course kept confidential, but some interesting statistics are available with EURORDIS and the European Commission. In the European context, it is quite hard to establish a "wholesale price" even for a single drug – will "wholesale" be the price paid by the government, or one paid by pharmacies? Or by private hospitals? Here, someone trying to propose a "globally true wholesale price", and even more, a "global retail price", borders absurdity in my view. But I don't know, sometimes decisions of the Wikipedia community are more driven by "let's include everything we can come up with" than by common sense. Best regards, — kashmiri TALK 16:11, 16 May 2016 (UTC)

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SMN

Hi kashmiri re the moves I made to SMN (I only moved it twice) - I only came across the page when I was looking for info on 'gems' and there seemed to be a lot of confusion around. I was only trying to clear some of this and the references I found and cited used 'of' in the phrasing - also used in the infoboxes of SMN1 and 2 - the refs I've seen also refer to 'motor neurons protein'. It doesn't matter to me which is used but it would help if there was a consistency in the pages. And if its more usual to use the gene I would suggest as already suggested on talk page that SMN be merged to SMN1. Thanks --Iztwoz (talk) 23:23, 27 May 2016 (UTC)

Hi @Iztwoz: Yes it may be confusing. The literature has not yet standardised the name - SMN1's function was only described in 1995. That paper consistently uses "survival motor neuron". On the other hand, OMIM has consistently "survival of motor neuron". I am fine with either.
As to whether to keep SMN under SMN1, I am not that sure, because SMN is also a product of SMN2 gene – there are even a few therapies under development that aim to increase coding of SMN from the SMN2 gene. I am inclined to keep the SMN article separate, the way it is, at least for the time being. Regards, — kashmiri TALK 23:53, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
'Survival of motor neuron' is used on the Gideon Dreyfuss page and in its ref - would suggest sticking with that and dropping the use of protein - thanks --Iztwoz (talk) 23:59, 27 May 2016 (UTC)
Fine with me! — kashmiri TALK 00:04, 28 May 2016 (UTC)

multiple sclerosis cure report

Hi Kashmiri, I have just read your concern that I may have cited a press report in its entirety. I did not. It is just an extract of the press report, and moreover I have cited the source in agreement with copyright law. If you are able to access and read the Cell Report article and contribute to Wikipedia, I would appreciate it. Alternatively, please remove the editing block so that someone else can do so.86.154.102.141 (talk) 16:17, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Hi, the problem is even the Cell Report article, which sure is compliant with WP:MEDRS, is a WP:PRIMARY source whereas there is strong preference for WP:SECONDARY sources for medicine-related articles. Reporting results of preclinical studies, and even pilot clinical trials, is also discouraged because the obtained results, even though published, cannot be considered conclusive for efficacy. Results of completed efficacy trials can be published, I believe, although I would still need to locate the actual policy. — kashmiri TALK 16:22, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Unable to locate the article in Cell Reports . — kashmiri TALK 16:27, 1 June 2016 (UTC)
Thanks for trying. Press releases are usually released a couple of days before the real article is out. So please try again in a few days. And for convenience, let us continue any further discussion on the MS Talk page, where Doc James has added his comments.86.154.102.141 (talk) 16:32, 1 June 2016 (UTC)

Heer Ranjha (1992 film)

You have to quote reliable sources.
You have to know something about the film, which you don't.

Xx236 (talk) 07:31, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

@Xx236: You don't have to quote sources in a stub. Redirecting to director breaks disambig page because it no longer points to where it is supposed to. — kashmiri TALK 11:13, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Who needs the stub which doesn't contain any information?Xx236 (talk) 11:52, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Ask those who came up with the idea of stubs on Wikipedia. As long as the policy is there, stubs are legitimate. — kashmiri TALK 11:57, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
If a stub has little verifiable information, or if its subject has no apparent notability, it may be deleted or be merged into another relevant article.

So if a stub has no verifiable information it may be deleted.Xx236 (talk) 12:05, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

I'm editing Hindu movie pages and you are complaining. Why don't you write good pages?Xx236 (talk) 12:03, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Please stop making personal remarks, I have no time to waste on reading such nonsense. — kashmiri TALK 12:05, 14 June 2016 (UTC)
Sure, writing good articles is a nonsense. Xx236 (talk) 12:07, 14 June 2016 (UTC)

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Would you like to start one, (given comments you left on my talk page)?

I've excluded free images because they probably should be on commons anyway.Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:23, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

@Sfan00 IMG: Good idea - the question is, I believe, whether we should add "(logo)" and possibly expand acronyms across Wikipedia, or leave the file names as they are, possibly consistent with the main article title. I am afraid I will have little time for Wikipedia until mid-next week, as a good RfC requires explanation and justification, so feel free to go ahead. Thanks for asking, appreciated! — kashmiri TALK 10:31, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
I was asking you to draft something possibly, so politeness would be for me to let you do that, rather than drafting my own somewhat inferior proposal. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 10:33, 17 June 2016 (UTC)
@Sfan00 IMG: Ok, thanks, will draft an RfC. Would you have a suggestion as to where to post it? Wikipedia:WikiProject Images and Media seems dead. Regards, — kashmiri TALK 10:38, 17 June 2016 (UTC)

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Hi! Could you please upload a logo for Inderscience Publishers. You seem to know how to do it -- you have one uploaded for Hindawi Publishing Corporation. I tried by it was deleted immediately.

You could edit for example the one showing with this google search, but remove the URL below:

https://www.google.com/search?q=inderscience+publishers+logo&rlz=1C1CHFX_enUS521US521&biw=1920&bih=951&tbas=0&tbm=isch&source=lnt&tbs=isz:m&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjW05Cx8ozPAhUDHD4KHfaHA-MQpwUIFg&dpr=1#imgrc=KUHleioXjoNprM%3A

Many thanks, and please let me know. (Simiprof (talk)) —Preceding undated comment added 17:47, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

@Simiprof:  Done. — kashmiri TALK 18:03, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

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Are you a real and impartial honest editor ? Defiantly yes therefore I Could know which "reliable sources" tell you that Saraiki is a Language ? If you have any paste them here . I will provide you two times more sources that it is a dialect of Lahnda (Western Punjabi).  Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.51.214.161 (talk) 15:11, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

Please take the discussion to Talk:Saraiki language, that's the correct place. — kashmiri TALK 15:52, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
People now have started abusing Uanfala. Could you please save your ass in between by changing your Vote ? I f you have reliable sources then tell me.  Preceding unsigned comment added by 39.51.214.161 (talk) 16:48, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
I have already stated my opinion and I don't intend to engage in any discussions with you on this page. Please mind your language. — kashmiri TALK 16:52, 4 January 2017 (UTC)

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The next time I find you leaving or creating unsourced content in WP, I will take you to ANI.

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I appreciate the thanks for my comment at ANI, but you've been around even longer than I have (all accounts considered) and you should know as well as I do that it is everyone's responsibility to engage in discussion, regardless of who made the initial edit or revert, or who failed to do so when they "ought to".

You would be well advised to note that the effectiveness of a report is often equal to the attempts of the reporter to engage in resolution, and the long standing reluctance of the reported to take it seriously. I have often started the discussion when I am the reverter, the reverted, or even a third party, because that is how you build an encyclopedia. TimothyJosephWood 02:55, 5 January 2017 (UTC)

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Sorry for editing in between other's comments. Someone using bullet points all over made responding not very legible. Will refrain from it next time.
As to collaborative editing, it always takes two to a tango. After my attempts to engage with Jytdog went nowhere and he went on reverting my contributions and calling them "garbage", I had no more patience to be treated this way. ANI is precisely to sort out such behavioural problems, isn't it.
Your comments about collaborative editing were helpful. Your attempts to criticise my past edits were not needed. rRegards, — kashmiri TALK 02:54, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

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Deletion of native language at Srinagar airport article

Hello, I had deleted the Urdu translation of Srinagar International Airport per WP:INDICSCRIPT. True, this policy does not explicitly mention infoboxes, but I would say the lead and the infobox serve very similar functions. If there is consensus to omit the native language from the lead, I feel it is inappropriate to simply add it to the infobox. This defeats the purpose of the consensus  to avoid conflicts over which languages to add. Please consider. — Sunnya343 (háblamemy work) 02:35, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

@Sunnya343: I believe the discussion and consensus were only about the lead section. The "native name" field in the infobox, on the other hand, was intended precisely for native names and I saw it is being used for this purpose in a number of languages and scripts. It is the first time I saw an editor quoting INDISCRIPT to remove script from an infobox. I am not really sure whether you are correct but I am not willing to go to war over it either. Feel free to revert me if you feel strongly about it - otherwise, an RfC might be an option. Regards, — kashmiri TALK 02:47, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
I know what you mean; I have never done that before, but upon reading through the RfC, I feel it is appropriate. To me, adding languages to the infobox sets us up for the conflicts that led to the WP:INDICSCRIPT discussion. Also, it should be noted that the "native name" field in the infobox predates WP:INDICSCRIPT. I first made this edit at Kempegowda International Airport and noticed that two other editors agreed with me. If you don't mind, I would like to revert your edit, but please tell me if you have further concerns. — Sunnya343 (háblamemy work) 03:26, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Sure, go ahead. Even though I understood from RfC that the case of geographic names is a borderline one and there seemed to be a consensus that GEO places can have local name. But I am not strongly for or against. — kashmiri TALK 12:59, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

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Based on your following me to Meridians, your editing there, and your posting at ANI subsequent to what happened at the Meridians article, it appears that you have some bone to pick with me. So how do we lay this to rest? Jytdog (talk) 18:17, 6 January 2017 (UTC)

@Jytdog: I very much appreciate your words. I read your on your page that you started a biotec, my full respect. Personally I am linked with research in neurology (and research funding). I suggest we try to be WP:CIVIL, don't call each other's GF edits "garbage", and should our views differ on a given topic, we don't revert each other but try to come up with consensus text on Talk. I also won't follow you. How does it sound? — kashmiri TALK 21:29, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
that sounds good thanks. As for me, I would appreciate it if you would make sure that what you add is reliably sourced per MEDRS or RS as is relevant. Thanks again. Jytdog (talk) 21:30, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Sure. Let's just keep in mind that MEDRS are also required in alternative medicine, and this usually means authoritative SECONDARY sources. — kashmiri TALK 21:37, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
OK, good let's talk about that. Have you edited much on alt med/pseudoscience topics in WP? (real question, i just want to see where you are coming from) Jytdog (talk) 21:46, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
@Jytdog: Well, we can talk but WP:MEDRS requires that it also applies to alternative medicine. I indeed did edit a few pseudoscience articles - I recall an article on Burzynski, I think I tried to bring focus to clinical evidence (or rather its lack), back from the focus on publicity, legal cases and overall Burzynski-bashing that some editors seemed to prefer. Had fought hard against stem cell hype. Had a clash with some conspiracy theorists elsewhere. I did a couple of mysticism-related articles (yoga, etc.) but avoided health-related parts (precisely due to lack of MEDRS). See, I edit on a range of topics, anything from neurology to lingustics to armed conflicts to ethnology to religious movements (and my favourite sport: sockpuppet-hunting), so don't remember most of what I edit.
I think I am pretty hard on pseudo-science. However, as to alternative systems of medicine, I prefer being cautious before branding them as "superstition". We see a lot of overlapping between what is considered mainstream and non-mainstream at any given moment, with various procedures and therapies being constantly inluded or excluded from the academic medicine (whose exact boundaries are also not easy to define). To give an example, I remember when in the 1970s, herbal therapies were publicly called a susperstition; even though I am now dealing with academic studies of curcuminoids as a SMN2 splicing modifier to possibly treat SMA. Or, ostheopathy was once considered alternative medicine but some (some!) of its methods are being more and more accepted by the mainstream. At the same time, as you perfectly know, various procedures and therapeutic methods are being removed from the mainstream as they are being found not based on evidence but on incorrect concepts ("beliefs" as you'd perhaps say).
The subject is lenghty, not sure I am able to engage at this time - we are having three clinical trials just opened and I need to devote time to enrollment and their quality, so I might not be able to respond promptly. But thanks for your extended hand, I reciprocate. Regards, — kashmiri TALK 18:09, 7 January 2017 (UTC)
BTW, I would appreciate if you trust my edits on SMA and related neuromuscular disorders. I do not always have time to link to quality published sources (which would not be a leaflet), but the information I add is never promotional and is usually 100% correct. I always mark unsourced info with {{cn}} anyway, which is more than most editors do. Regards, — kashmiri TALK 16:21, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
(talk page stalker) Well I really hope your understanding in the altmed space has progressed beyond what was in evidence in the Burzynski Clinic article in contributions like this. At the time editors were also complaining about your "fisking" of other editors' comments not being helpful, but you're still doing that. Alexbrn (talk) 18:48, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
@Alexbrn: Yes, I should have perhaps led the discussion in a different manner then, but I stand by my comments that Burzynski's compounds have no proven efficacy (per source - but not "proven inefficacy" as some editors wanted; simply, lack of controlled trial data did not allow drawing any meaningful conclusion). While my personal opinion of Burzynski's business is the exact opposite of high esteem, I'd rather stick with how his treatments are described by academic sources and not tabloids, and am against trying to add every single negative mention found about Burzynski to the article. In my understanding, Wikipedia should present facts in a neutral, objective, cold way instead of fiercely proselytising for or against anything/anyone. But that's my take on it, everyone is entitled to his/her own. — kashmiri TALK 19:11, 8 January 2017 (UTC)
nope, nobody gets a pass on basic content policies. Content has to be cited; if you are in a hurry please just note things on the Talk page. Jytdog (talk) 21:58, 8 January 2017 (UTC)

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Is it also registered in Russia, United Kingdom and Poland?? Please stop spamming. — kashmiri TALK 18:09, 23 February 2017 (UTC)

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