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Tech News: 2019-11

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

Pages can use geocoordinates from Wikidata with the mw.wikibase.entity:formatStatements Lua function or the #statements parser function. If they do, they will now be shown using a Kartographer <maplink> if the wiki can use Kartographer. You can report bugs or ask questions on Phabricator.
There is now an EventStream to see when links are added or removed on Wikimedia wikis. You can read the discussions and plans.

Problems

Some wikis will not be able to edit for a short period of time on 19 March (UTC). This will start at 15:00 UTC. It will last up to 15 minutes but probably shorter. You can see the list of affected wikis. This is because of network maintenance. You can still read the wikis.
Editors who use Firefox to edit with the visual editor had a problem with copying text. When they tried to select text that included footnotes, templates or block images in the middle they would often only get part of the text. This has now been fixed.
Some maps didn't work for a while on 8 March. This has been fixed.

Changes later this week

The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 12 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 13 March. It will be on all wikis from 14 March (calendar).

Meetings

You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 13 March at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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19:29, 11 March 2019 (UTC)

Thomas Michael Greenhow

please fix   all  new  refs  thanks  as  always T

Princess Beatrice of York

Please add page 453 to reference number 34 on this page. Thanks again — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.33.125.158 (talk) 06:08, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

I have added it but seems strange for a web page. Keith D (talk) 10:19, 13 March 2019 (UTC)

Thomas Michael Greenhow

Ref number 29 has the publisher wrong I think - please help if able and thanks for all of your time and effort. T. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.33.125.158 (talk) 07:56, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

NHLE template

Thanks for updating articles with the correct template. One thing you might keep in mind is that because the template gives the author as Historic England, this can change the place in a bibliography where the source should appear alphabetically. I've fixed this for the articles I track that you've edited (Benty Grange, Benty Grange helmet, Benty Grange hanging bowl, Works of Herbert Maryon), but it might help to remember for articles that are less closely watched. Cheers, --Usernameunique (talk) 18:44, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for the updates. I had not even considered the alpha order when I started to do this, I will have to keep an eye out in future changes. Keith D (talk) 18:47, 14 March 2019 (UTC)

Thomas Michael Greenhow

Sorry Keith !! - could you please check new ref - number 30 - on this North England page? Thanks again T. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.33.125.158 (talk) 05:37, 15 March 2019 (UTC)

Royal College of Surgeons of England

Would really appreciate assistance with this page - I have tried hard. thanks again T.

Wikipedia:WikiProject Portals update #030, 17 Mar 2019

Previous issue:

Single-page portals: 4,704

Total portals: 5,705

This issue:

Single-page portals: 4,562

Total portals: 5,578

The collection of portals has shrunk

All Portals closed at WP:MfD during 2019

Grouped Nominations total 127 Portals:

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/US County Portals Deleted 64 portals
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Districts of India Portals Deleted 30 Portals
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portals for Portland, Oregon neighborhoods Deleted 23 Portals
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Allen Park, Michigan Deleted 6 Portals
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Cryptocurrency Deleted 2 Portals
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:North Pole Deleted 2 Portals

Individual Nominations:

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Circles Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Fruits Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:E (mathematical constant) Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Burger King Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Cotingas Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Prostitution in Canada Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Agoura Hills, California Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Urinary system Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:You Am I Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Cannabis (2nd nomination) Reverted to non-Automated version
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Intermodal containers Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Adventure travel Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Adam Ant Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Benito Juárez, Mexico City Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Spaghetti Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Wikiatlas Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Greek alphabet Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Accounting Deleted G7
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Lents, Portland, Oregon Deleted P2
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Ankaran Deleted
Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Portal:Jiu-jitsu Deleted G8
Portal:University of Nebraska Speedy Deleted P1/A10 exactly the same as Portal:University of Nebraska–Lincoln also created by the TTH

Related WikiProject:

Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Quantum portals Demoted

(Attribution: Copied from Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Portal MfD Results)

WikiProject Quantum portals

This was a spin-off from WikiProject Portals, for the purpose of developing zero-page portals (portals generated on-the-screen at the push of a button, with no stored pages).

It has been merged back into WikiProject Portals. In the MfD the vote was "demote". See Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Quantum portals.

Hiatus on mass creation of Portals

At WP:VPR, mass creation of Portals using semi-automated tools has been put on hold until clearer community consensus is established.

See Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Hiatus on mass creation of Portals.

The Transhumanist banned from creating new portals for 3 months

See Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Proposal 1: Interim Topic-Ban on New Portals.

Until next issue...

Keep on keepin' on. — The Transhumanist 10:18, 17 March 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-12

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

When you use rollback you will be able to get a confirmation prompt on most wikis. It asks you if you wanted to do the rollback. This is to avoid misclicks. You will have to opt in to get it. On German Wikipedia it will be an opt-out feature from 28 March.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 19 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 20 March. It will be on all wikis from 21 March (calendar).

Meetings

You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 20 March at 16:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

Admins will be able to block someone from editing a page or a namespace. This already works on a few Wikimedia wikis. You can read more. If your wiki wants to be an early tester of this, you can tell the developers.
Toolforge will shut down the Ubuntu Trusty job grid. This will happen the week of 25 March. Tools that use this grid needs to be moved to the new Debian Stretch job grid. If they haven't, they will be taken offline. Maintainers can restart the tools later. Users may not be able to use them in the meanwhile. You can see a list of affected tools.

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19:43, 18 March 2019 (UTC)

Appreciation

	The Working Wikipedian's Barnstar
	For the great work on numerous articles and watching out for references Red Director (talk) 19:07, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Many thanks for the barnstar - nice to be appreciated from time to time. Keith D (talk) 22:13, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Advertisement?

Please could you kindly take a quick glance at Impact Wrestling United We Stand which was created today? It looks like an advertisement for an event, to me. Thanks. Storye book (talk) 21:43, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

It does appear to be for a specific event but there are similar ones for previous events of this type so looks like these have been accepted as notable. May be tag for references, notability and categories, you could add advert as well. Keith D (talk) 22:12, 24 March 2019 (UTC)

Thank you. Storye book (talk) 16:52, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

I went to tag it, but since I posted my question an editor has been working on it. Previously there was just the header, which on its own did look like an advertisement. It still needs improvement but maybe they haven't finished. Storye book (talk) 17:12, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-13

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

The new version of the content translation tool will be used for all new translations. The older version will still be used for translations that were started with it. Most users won’t see any change. More than 80% of the published translations are already using the new version.

Problems

There was a problem with editing with Safari on iOS. When you wrote an edit summary you couldn't save the edit. This has now been fixed.
The editing toolbar sometimes disappears when you scroll on iOS devices. This will be fixed soon.
Wikis can over-ride interface messages on-wiki. A problem meant that sometimes an old versions of any changed messages were shown instead. This included the sitenotice and other important parts of the interface. This was fixed at around 2019-03-22 16:00 (UTC). Logged-out users may still get the wrong message. Purging the page should fix it for them.

Changes later this week

The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 26 March. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 27 March. It will be on all wikis from 28 March (calendar).

Meetings

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18:04, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Tidmington

Just finished this one: Tidmington. A user (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Crouch,_Swale#Tidmington) has added a 2001 pop but there's no ref... says there's link rot... very probable. But I so hate no refs with anality. I seem to remember that you have sorted nomis etc. equivalents... can you help here? I can't find anything. I'll have to remove the add if there isn't one. Many thanks. Acabashi (talk) 20:29, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

There is {{NOMIS2001}} template for access to the 2001 census figures but they have not used the parishes for low population figures, as was originally published by ONS, but have gone with a similar scheme as for the 2011 census of amalgamating with an adjacent area. In this case "Burmington/Tidmington Parish" as per

UK Census (2001). "Local Area Report – Burmington/Tidmington Parish (44UE017)". Nomis. Office for National Statistics.

Unsure where they got the figure for 2001 from but should be removed as having no reference at the time of addition. Keith D (talk) 21:36, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Keith, you're a wizard. As you say... seems they lump Burmington + Tidmington together because the pops are so low. I can work this info into the article based on what you have here. Very many thanks. Acabashi (talk) 21:51, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Neighbourhood Statistics did provide the 2001 date for small parishes but it was replaced with NOMIS. Crouch, Swale (talk) 22:05, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

I think we have to go with what is available for our readers today, unless there is an archived page that can be accessed. Acabashi (talk) 22:28, 25 March 2019 (UTC)

Tech News: 2019-14

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Changes later this week

Notifications tell you about things that happen on the wiki. You can turn on notifications about new links to pages you created. For performance reasons you can no longer get e-mails about this.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 2 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 3 April. It will be on all wikis from 4 April (calendar).

Meetings

You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 3 April at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

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16:29, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Arsenal F.C.

Thank you. It was my mistake. --DrSeehas (talk) 18:00, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

WikiProject Yorkshire Newsletter - April 2019

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19:50, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Still a stub?

Hello!

Thank you for editing my page on Gorgasia. I was wondering in your editor opinion if the Gorgasia page that you recently edited is still considered a stub? I am doing this for a school assignment and when deleting a paragraph deleted the stub tag portion of the page by mistake. Our goal of the assignment was to get our articles to no longer be recognized as a stub. Do you think I accomplished this or should the stub tag be reassigned?

Thank you.

Joey — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jwbuzzell (talk • contribs) 15:24, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I would certainly not class it as a stub, but at least a Start-class, could be a C-class depending on the project use of that status. Looks like someone has already added a C-class for one of the projects. Keith D (talk) 16:41, 2 April 2019 (UTC)

Asking for your comment

Hi. Could you please comment on Talk:USS_Cole_(DDG-67). I have tried to make the claim that is sourced to US official in Fox news, which is that the Houthis are Iranian-backed, between quotations so that we don't make Wikipedia biased by stating the allegation as a fact in Wikipedia voice I have got reverted and the explanation is +3000 and mostly about me having a point of view although I am not actually pushing any point of view. I am simply trying to make Wikipedia more unbiased. I believe since I have seen you around that area many times that you have an opinion about this so I asked you here. It would be great if you commented there. Thanks. SharabSalam (talk) 18:09, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

ETA This is the edit that got reverted. Notice that there are already a quotation mark around "Cole" and other words but not around Iranian-backed--SharabSalam (talk) 18:24, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

I would partly agree with the revert as there should not be italics around Iranian-backed Houthi rebels. The spacing & extra full stop removal where valid edits. Cole would always be italicised as it is the name of a ship which are italicised per WP:ITALICS. Keith D (talk) 18:34, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Alright Cole was not between qoutations my bad I thought that it was quotation marks. In my edit I put Iranian backed Houthis between quotation marks like this "Iranian backed Houthi rabels" which is because it is stated in Wikipedia voice and this is an allegation and has been denied by both Houthis and Iran also by many experts. One of them said that this allegation is "nonsense" even in the article of Houthi movement or Saudi Arabian–led intervention in Yemen the consensus was that the the statement that Houthis are supported is just an allegation and that it should not be regarded as a fact thus I think that we should use quotation marks and not say Iranian-backed Houthis in Wikipedia voice but by the voice of the US official--SharabSalam (talk) 18:55, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

As it is a direct quote from the source then it should be in quote marks to indicate this. Keith D (talk) 21:31, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Keith, I am the other half of the discussion on the the USS Cole talk page. It's unfortunate that SharabSalam didn't notify me of this discussion because it appears he is being somewhat disingenuous. The full quote from the US defense official in the source is;

The Navy sent the USS Cole to the Gulf of Aden following an attack earlier this week on a Saudi warship off Yemen by Iranian-backed Houthi rebels^[1]

... It's not just the last four words that should be put into quotes. My explanation for the revert is detailed on the article talk page and has not been represented here. I appreciate you offering advice, but I would invite you to join the discussion there so that you aren't misrepresented as well. Thanks again. Cheers - wolf 16:43, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

References

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Administrators' newsletter – April 2019

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2019).

Administrator changes

Reaper Eternal • ThaddeusB

Bogdangiusca • Christopher Parham • Necrothesp • Schneelocke • Siroxo • Sarah

Mentifisto → Lofty abyss

Interface administrator changes

Mr. Stradivarius

Bureaucrat changes

DeltaQuad

Kingturtle

Technical news

In Special:Preferences under "Appearance" → "Advanced options", there is now an option to show a confirmation prompt when clicking on a rollback link.
The Wikimedia Foundation's Community health initiative plans to design and build a new user reporting system to make it easier for people experiencing harassment and other forms of abuse to provide accurate information to the appropriate channel for action to be taken. Please see meta:Community health initiative/User reporting system consultation 2019 to provide your input on this idea.

Arbitration

The Arbitration Committee clarified that the General 1RR prohibition for Palestine-Israel articles may only be enforced on pages with the {{ARBPIA 1RR editnotice}} edit notice.

Miscellaneous

Two more administrator accounts were compromised. Evidence has shown that these attacks, like previous incidents, were due to reusing a password that was used on another website that suffered a data breach. If you have ever used your current password on any other website, you should change it immediately. All admins are strongly encouraged to enable two-factor authentication, please consider doing so. Please always practice appropriate account security by ensuring your password is secure and unique to Wikimedia.
As a reminder, according to WP:NOQUORUM, administrators looking to close or relist an AfD should evaluate a nomination that has received few or no comments as if it were a proposed deletion (PROD) prior to determining whether it should be relisted.

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Tech News: 2019-15

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

More wikis are now testing visual editor section editing for mobile users. You can read more.
Admins on French and Polish Wikipedia can block someone from editing a page or a namespace. If your wiki wants to get these blocks before they are available to all wikis, you can tell the developers.

Problems

You will be able read but not edit most wikis for 30 minutes on 11 April at 05:00 (UTC). This is because of a hardware problem. You can see a list of the affected wikis.
A map update caused some problems on 29 March and 30 March. It was rolled back.
Pages on some Wikivoyages had problems with the top headline. This has been fixed.

Changes later this week

When you add an edit summary the VisualEditor will search your recent edit summaries in case you want to re-use one. This works in both the visual and wikitext modes on desktop. It also works on the mobile site.
The Wikimedia wikis will get a URL shortener. This will work from 11 April. You can read more.
The {{REVISIONID}} magic word will no longer work. This is for performance reasons. When you preview a page it will return "" (empty string). When you read a page it will return "-" (dash). For now this will only affect content namespaces.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 9 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 10 April. It will be on all wikis from 11 April (calendar).

Meetings

You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 10 April at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

You will be able to preview references. This means that when you hover over the link you will get a popup that shows you a preview of the reference. It will work much like page previews. This is so you don't have to go to the bottom of the page to see a reference. This will now be available as a beta feature on German and Arabic Wikipedia.
The Wikidata JSON output will change. Empty containers will be serialised as empty objects. This is a breaking change that will affect tools that use JSON outputs and APIs. It will happen on 30 April. You can read more and see how to test your code.

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18:24, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

Talk:John Wormald Appleyard

Lupton family

Tech News: 2019-16

Tech News: 2019-17

University of Bologna

Tech News: 2019-18

Latest tech news from the Wikimedia technical community. Please tell other users about these changes. Not all changes will affect you. Translations are available.

Recent changes

The Wikipedia app for Android now invites users to add Wikidata descriptions to Wikidata objects that have Wikipedia articles but no Wikidata descriptions. It will only invite users who have added a number of Wikidata descriptions in the app without being reverted. This is to avoid spam and bad edits.

Problems

Tech News was late last week because of a MassMessage bug. Other newsletters had the same problem.

Changes later this week

You will see when you last refreshed the recent changes page. This is so you can see how recent the changes are.
When you write a comment in Structured Discussions but have not posted it yet your web browser will save it in local storage instead of session storage. This means you do not lose them even if you close your web browser. Structured Discussions used to be called Flow.
You will be able to turn off milestone notifications. Milestone notifications congratulate you when you have made certain numbers of edits.
The new version of MediaWiki will be on test wikis and MediaWiki.org from 30 April. It will be on non-Wikipedia wikis and some Wikipedias from 1 May. It will be on all wikis from 2 May (calendar).

Meetings

You can join the technical advice meeting on IRC. During the meeting, volunteer developers can ask for advice. The meeting will be on 1 May at 15:00 (UTC). See how to join.

Future changes

The Wikidata wb_terms table will be dropped. This will affect some Wikidata tools. They need to be updated. The table has become too big which is causing problems. This will happen on 29 May. You can read more. You can ask for help if you need it.
Wikimedia wikis will soon use a token when you log out. This changes how the API works. Some tools might need to be updated.

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22:27, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

This is an archive of past discussions with User:Keith D. Do not edit the contents of this page. If you wish to start a new discussion or revive an old one, please do so on the current talk page.

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