User talk:MB/Archive 7

hi MB (talk) thanks for edits in Northlands Shopping Centre i am planning to add map and sub heading to the page like Adelaide Central Plaza can you please help me how to do that?. Joydeep ghosh (talk) 06:47, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Joydeep ghosh, {{infobox shopping mall}} is set up to automatically add maps based on coordinates in Wikidata. Since this is a new article, it is not yet in WD. While I've edited WD entries before, I've never created a new one. You could ask at the help desk, or try do do it yourself (see ]), or ask for help at WD. MB 15:55, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

hi MB (talk) thanks for reply any idea how long it may take for map to appear as per wikidata. btw can i create infobox sub heading like General Info, website as in Adelaide Central Plaza on my own. Would be happy to get a reply.Joydeep ghosh (talk) 16:04, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

Joydeep ghosh, I know very little about WD and don't know if it will be put in WD automatically or how long it will take. Again, you may want to ask at the help desk. The infobox at Adelaide Central Plaza looks different because it is using {{Infobox building}} - which is not specific to shopping malls. I would say that is the wrong infobox since Adelaide Central Plaza seems to be more of a shopping center than a generic building. Some types of buildings have specific infoboxes (e.g. hotel, hospital) and non-historic buildings just use the building infobox. You may want to "fix" this and change it to the shopping mall infobox. MB 16:22, 1 January 2020 (UTC)

hi MB (talk) thanks for reply, i will try checking them, btw can you please check Yaldor Sub Sector is there any problem with this page, it has been assessed but has not gone live, why i dont know. would appreciate if you help on this.Joydeep ghosh (talk) 16:08, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Joydeep ghosh, I did a little clean-up on the article. It is "live" as it is part of the encyclopedia in main space. If you mean that it doesn't show up in google searches, that is because it is not INDEXED yet. That will not happen until it is reviewed by a wp:New Page Patroller which can take a while - there are thousands of new article waiting to be reviewed. MB 18:09, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

hi MB (talk) thanks for the help the yaor page is now live.Joydeep ghosh (talk) 15:39, 4 January 2020 (UTC)

Well, at least the editor has started discussing it. I *think* that's a good thing, wow, does this hit COI.Naraht (talk) 10:26, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Naraht I don't see any discussion. Their last edit was to revert my revert and then put a message on my User Page saying leave the article alone. This is a definite COI. I will report at WP:COIN if they do it again. MB 16:03, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, discussing should have been in quotes. In the way that a neighbor would discuss upkeep of a fence by writing in smeared fecal matter on your garage door. I also got my user page similarly altered. I think COIN is the next step if else happens, or even now.Naraht (talk) 17:53, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Naraht, I reported this at WP:COIN MB 18:06, 2 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi MB, I've found several pages with duplicated first images. The problem occurred when "|logo" was changed to "|image", and "|caption" to "|image_caption". I have fixed a couple, by adding "|logo =" before "|image". This dummy logo line prevents it re-using the image as a logo. These were "Charles H. Roe" and "Carlyle Works". Two others I found were "John Musgrave & Sons" and "Chenard-Walcker" (not fixed).

I noticed that these all say "MB" and "fix infobox maint error". I see you are a prolific editor. I wonder how many more need adjustment. Is there an easy way to correct them all? Thanks. 2.31.255.216 (talk) 00:59, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

That is a bug in the template for {{Infobox company}}. It should not be necessary to put in a "dummy" |logo=. I've reported this at the template talkpage and hopefully it will be fixed soon.MB 01:47, 6 January 2020 (UTC)

Hey there! The article Somaiya Vidyavihar has recently been hit with a lot of SPA and COI editors. Thank you for removing some of their content and if you spot them again, please ping me for a block. HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 04:37, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

HickoryOughtShirt?4 It's on my watchlist. I saw the additions and was pretty sure it was a copyvio, but I didn't want to spent the time to look for where it came from. So I added the COI tag and was going to wait a for the editing to resume without any disclosure and then report at COIN. I'll go straight to you next time. MB 04:52, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

Thank you . COIN might be good if this persists because I'm not sure they're the same people (so an SPI would be fruitless except for behavioural evidence). HickoryOughtShirt?4 (talk) 04:54, 9 January 2020 (UTC)

On 21 January 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article James Stephen (architect), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that James Stephen, who designed several schools listed on the National Register of Historic Places, received his architectural training through a correspondence course? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/James Stephen (architect). You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, James Stephen (architect)), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Gatoclass (talk) 12:01, 21 January 2020 (UTC)

Hi, MB. Just a heads up, there has been more activity from Segura Asst (talk · contribs). I reverted the text that they changed, but kept the headshot of Segura (s)he uploaded. I posted another message on Segura Asst's talk page. In case you're wondering, the Olga Segura article is on my watchlist.

I'm not sure if I'm the best person to handle the COI at hand, but want to make sure to maintain respectful discourse. Olga Segura's acting has inspired me, and, considering her indirect but still relevant involvement here, I would not want her to be left feeling negative. Mungo Kitsch (talk) 05:35, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

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Thank you MB, learning as I go! I sent you an email and also create a user page and listed about me and what my affiliation is with Cabo Verde and the airline. Ultimately I love the place and hope w can communicate with the rest of the world just who we are and what we do. I am not paid to edit wiki pages, but I am a consultant to the CEO (and am paid for that), I have been helping where I can, but my real role is to improve other things, getting the name correct and a lot of other pieces and telling about the islands is more of a passion to create opportunity for those from the islands and those who come here to work. I went to a school whose motto was to create sustainable prosperity worldwide. Thank you again for bringing this to my attention. Have a great Sunday!10:35, 26 January 2020 (UTC)10:35, 26 January 2020 (UTC)~~

Template_talk:Press#The_"details"_link_in_the_template Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:06, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

On 26 January 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Abraham H. Albertson, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that quotations by architect Abraham H. Albertson about the Cobb Building in Seattle were immortalized 80 years later in a staircase in nearby University Street station? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Abraham H. Albertson. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Abraham H. Albertson), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 26 January 2020 (UTC)

Why did you take down my post about her death today? She died in Naples Florida. I have prove as well.... Dwkling (talk) 02:38, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Dwkling, an editor making a change is responsible for providing a reference. MB 02:40, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

Please don't change to US spelling in an article like Denman College on a UK topic. Thanks. PamD 08:46, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

PamD, I didn't realize that was British spelling. Thanks for the message. MB 14:13, 28 January 2020 (UTC)

I’m trying to provide prove but it won’t let me publish anymore? Dwkling (talk) 02:56, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

On 1 February 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Missouri Lumber and Mining Company, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that c. 1900, the Missouri Lumber and Mining Company provided health care to field workers with a mobile clinic transported by railroad flatcar? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Missouri Lumber and Mining Company. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Missouri Lumber and Mining Company), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Wug·a·po·des​ 06:58, 31 January 2020 (UTC) 12:03, 1 February 2020 (UTC)

I’m new to this and wanted to make sure my thanks are getting through. And wanted to let you know you can blame St.Ed"s for the grammar. THANK YOU--Theemurman (talk) 17:29, 4 February 2020 (UTC)

Theemurman, Yes, I received the thanks. Since each one is completely separate, one per article is plenty - no need to send thanks every edit. Also note that much of your work has been removed as copyright violation. Articles need to be written in your own words based on the facts in the sources. And don't include anything that isn't in a source, even what you know to be true - everything must be WP:VERIFABLE. The WP:TEAHOUSE is a good place to ask questions. MB 00:18, 5 February 2020 (UTC)

On 6 February 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Courtois Hills, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Courtois Hills region has the most rugged terrain and steepest average slopes of any sub-region of the Missouri Ozarks? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Courtois Hills. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Courtois Hills), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 12:01, 6 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi, in your edit adding an NRHP infobox to McCoy Farmstead (Holly Hill, South Carolina), you introduced a reference to the NRIS database, which was not in fact your source. You referenced a 2010 version of NRIS, but no available version of NRIS that we know of covers that site, which was NRHP-listed in 2019, right? I just wonder if you could please revise the article to fix that.

BTW, it was me that created the article, and maybe/probably I should not have, as it turned out I could not find any good references to develop it. I think i was trying to respond to someone's request at wt:NRHP for help adding recently-listed items to the county list-articles, and I tried to go further.

cheers, --Doncram (talk) 02:45, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Doncram, done. I didn't notice that you created the article. I was responding to the "needs-infobox" request. I just did a copy/paste of a infobox from a neighboring property and edited the information from the county list - that is where I got the address and coords. The ref was just leftover.

And I just noticed that the article says Holly Hill, SC, but the county list says Orangeburg, and the weekly listing (the only ref we have so far) says Holly Hill vicinity. If the coords are correct, it is 30 mi from Orangeburg and in an unincorporated area just outside of Holly Hill. Magicpiano updated the county list; should I change the location there to Holly Hill?

And welcome back from your break. MB 03:28, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

MB, thanks for your diligence at Stamford, Connecticut. Looking at the history, I see both User:RepublicanFan and User:RepublicanFan2 have edited the article, with one reverting the other here. This doesn't look like a lost password scenario (since their edits overlap), and I don't know if this is two different users (with one impersonating the other) or a good hand, bad hand scenario. Since you're more active in watching that article than I am, I figured you might want to keep an eye on things. Thanks!

Kinu, I hadn't noticed the second account, and haven't been watching Stamford, Connecticut at all until I found this new editor adding OR/unsourced/unencyclopedic content to several Connecticut articles. I've reverted a lot and find it to be a big waste of time. But the editor seems to be well intentioned. I hope they learn quickly. MB 17:47, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

A page I recently created has been added to Toyin Sanni ‎with a copyvio. I see you've spotted it. I am an admin but feel too close although I have left advice for the new author Victuallers (talk) 20:46, 19 February 2020 (UTC) The picture of her also looks as if it might be from AMP studios in Nairobi... Victuallers (talk) 20:54, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Victuallers, perhaps you meant this message for Money emoji who detected the copyvio. My only involvement with the article was some minor syntax editing. If you have a link to the source of the image, I would suggest you nominate if for deletion at commons. MB 21:19, 19 February 2020 (UTC) Oh I did, thanks for your help anyway Victuallers (talk) 23:27, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi, my user name is Lumacido. I would like to get the last version of the page Love Smiths (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Love_Smiths&action=edit&redlink=1) before it was deleted. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lumacido (talk • contribs) 09:20, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Lumacido, I can't help because I am not an admin. You should contact the editor that deleted the page - Sphilbrick. MB 19:31, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Hi MG, thank you for the warning. Could you please help me to revise this page linguistically? :-) I hope that the content is quote clear. I would thank you so much. Best --Marco Ciaramella (talk) 16:33, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Marco Ciaramella I have listed the page for translation cleanup where someone fluent in English and Italian may be able to help. MB 19:38, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Dear MB,

I had created an Article on a the psychologist stub Dr. Ahmed Emara in which even you had added you also had inputs to it. Yesterday one of the editor User:DGG had moved it to a Draft space saying it was too promotional and I don't understand what was too promotional since I had only mentioned facts to the page on the basis of my research. If such issue was there, then a senior writer like you would also have addressed and corrected it since i mentioned it as a Stub. Could you pls help me in reviewing the page back to article space. Young writers should be encouraged to write for wikipedia.

Kindly waiting for your reply.

Terminatorwil (talk) 23:24, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Terminatorwil, I only made some minor formatting fixes. You should have directed this to DGG, or asked for help at the Teahouse where you would have been pointed to various resources for new editors. I took a quick glance at the article; the second sentence is promotional and not encylopedic. The number of Youtube views is not sourced as is the entire Early life section. Everything should be neutral-sounding and supported with references so anyone can verify the accuracy. You mentioned "your research"; remember you can only summarize what has been written in other sources. DGG may have more comments. MB 23:44, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

This seems more understanding than just moving anything to an article space and not mentioning the main sentences to be edited. For the youtube views, I have mentioned his youtube channel link in the external link. Isn't that enough for the authenticity as youtube itself has written the original view count of his page. Terminatorwil (talk) 23:58, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

Terminatorwil, The burden is on an editor to follow the policies. There is an incredible amount of vandalism and spam every day and not that many volunteers to cope with it all. You may want to look at YFA. As far as the Youtube issue, anything in the article should have a direct citation, expecting a reader to hunt through the external links section is not acceptable. Furthermore, I recall conversation that Youtube views can be easily manipulated. I would just remove it entirely if it hasn't been published in a unaffiliated secondary source. MB 01:23, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

SMcCandlish, your discussion at WP:T made me think that creating {{BoldIR}} (bold incoming redirect) to be used, at the first instance of a redirect, to apply the bold markup would prevent the bolding from being removed if it was otherwise not obvious why it was bolded. (I may have inadvertently removed some valid "bolding for redirects" while cleaning up excessive "bolding for emphasis" that sometimes happens.) If this template also created a section anchor, it might keep help Wikipedia:Database reports/Broken section anchors from growing as fast. Thoughts? Should I propose this at WP:VPR? MB 17:08, 20 February 2020 (UTC)

Not sure which discussion you mean; WP:T goes to the Wikipedia:Tutorial page. Such a template is not a bad idea, in its essence, though there are some technical considerations of the additional features to think about. I'm not 100% sure what you mean by "If this template also created a section anchor"; sections are auto-anchored by the parsing of the == or whatever markup. If you just mean #foo anchors, which would generally render as <span id="foo">...</span> around the anchored term (or <span id="foo"></span> immediately in front of it), that might be possible, but arguably of dubious utility. We likely don't want to link to the exact spot in mid-sentence where the redirect-from term was used in the article, but rather to the section containing it, for context. We do sometimes have {{R to anchor}} instead of {{R to section}} cases, but these are generally to tables, list items, or other discrete blocks of content that just don't happen to have separate subheadings. Another problem with auto-anchoring from a template like {{BoldIR}} would be that if the page already has a heading (or other anchor) by this name, and the template is inserted above it (e.g., because the term is first used in the lead section in the article, despite having its own entire section lower down in the article body), then the template would "usurp" all incoming links to that section (the target ID of which would be changed on the fly to something like foo-2.

That said, the general idea of marking up the first-occurrence-boldfacing of a term that redirects to the article is good, though I don't think I would call this "BoldIR", except maybe as a template shortcut; we're not regularly using camelcase like that in template names, and have been moving them (especially ones used by reader-editors in mainspace, to more plain-English names. So, something like {{redirect bold}} or {{bold redirect}} might be better. I'm not sure there is any cure for WP:Database reports/Broken section anchors, other than doing something on the MediaWiki code side: it could have "smarts" in the background that auto-fix these things, the same way Windows updates shortcuts and macOS updates aliases when you move the target file/directory (in contrast to symlinks which just break, in *n*x, Windows, and macOS alike).

I have actually though before about instituting a simple {{redirect bold}} myself, but it would probably need to do something unique and practical, like add a hidden maintenance category ("Category:Articles with incoming redirects boldfaced in the text"? I dunno – do we have any actual use for tracking such a matter?), or it would get TfDed. I can't think of any templates we're keeping that just serve as markers/indicators to editors, i.e. as alternative to HTML comments. Even {{Not a typo}} can use {{sic}} for string obfuscation to prevent auto-correction by tools like AWB. One thing such a template as we're considering could do is add a new CSS class, so that people who don't like the style of bold-facing the first occurrence of redirected terms can change it to font-weight: inherit; in their own user CSS.
 — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  01:00, 21 February 2020 (UTC)

SMcCandlish, I meant this discussion (I made a one-letter typo, but the discussion isn't that important).

Yes, I guess I meant #foo anchors (I have only ever added them with {{anchor}}).

So you agree that such a template (and sure, my name was just off-the-cuff) would be useful as a way to bold and provide a kind of inline documentation of the reason for the bolding.

My thought about a secondary role of providing an automatic anchor was to try to "encourage" the use of anchors for redirects. Of course, I mean the kind of redirects that should go to certain sections (not redirects for different spellings, capitalizations, and the like for which the correct target is the article itself and bolding is not applicable). I don't have any stats, but I would guess that a very large percentage of redirects that could/should go to a sub-section just go to the article. And many that once went to a sub-section (via direct link to the header) are broken as evidenced by the report. So more anchors are good. And making it easier to add anchors would result in more anchors. I get your point that sometimes the anchor location should be a different section that the first bolded use - the template would need to have a |make anchor=yes/no to handle this (we would have to pick a default).

As far as the other problem you mentioned - that the anchor should be put before the section header, not mid-section where the term is bolded - I haven't experienced the operation you described. I just experimented and if I put an anchor in the middle of a section of text, viewing a link to the anchor for me displays the entire section (but not the header (title)). It does not go to the "exact spot mid-sentence" like you said. Is this unique to my browser perhaps? If what I see is repeatable and universal, although not ideal, it may better than no anchor. Maybe we could get a bot to find these "auto-mid-section-anchors" added by this template and just move the anchor to before the prior section heading. MB 03:21, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

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There is some question on the 2 photos of Nancy Youssef. If we can find other photos, that would be good, or you and others could look at the talk page of the article to figure out how best to validate each of those two photos. MaynardClark (talk) 20:08, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

MaynardClark, if the photos are not properly licensed you should nominate them for deletion at commons. MB 20:13, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

I want them to be there. MaynardClark (talk) 20:43, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

MaynardClark, Only properly licensed photos can be used. If these don't allow commercial use, they must be deleted from commons. MB 20:50, 22 February 2020 (UTC)

I get the point, but I am getting more EXPLICIT permissions now. I thought that these two photos EACH had a suitable permission for public fair use: Attribution-NonCommercial-ShareAlike 2.0 Generic (CC BY-NC-SA 2.0) license. I was told that this was being challenged as insufficient. MaynardClark (talk) 05:02, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

MaynardClark, I'm really not an expert in image licensing. Most images must be licensed with at least CC 2.5. There are differences for Flickr images, but they still have to allow commercial reuse. There is no way to "validate" a image differently - it has to be released by the copyright holder with an acceptable license. And no one can do anything about that except the owner. You can ask for more help at WP:HELPDESK or the helpdesk at commons. MB 05:13, 23 February 2020 (UTC)

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Hello, MB,

Any time you tag a page for deletion (speedy deletion, PROD or AFD/CFD/MFD/TFD), you need to post a notice to the page's creator talk page. Since you use Twinkle, this is easy to set up in Twinkle Preferences. Just make sure that you have every category of deletion checked. Thanks. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:08, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

Liz, I just checked my Twinkle preferences and notify creator is already checked except C1, R2, R3, R3. Did you see something that was missing the notice? Thanks. MB 18:22, 2 March 2020 (UTC)

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On 12 March 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Charles E. Mills, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Charles E. Mills had dual careers in banking and explosives? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Charles E. Mills. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Charles E. Mills), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:01, 12 March 2020 (UTC)

Hi. Sorry about that - must have had a mad moment! Thanks for fixing. Lugnuts ^{Fire Walk with Me} 19:15, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Lugnuts, no problem - we all have them. Cheers, MB 19:18, 15 March 2020 (UTC)

Hello! Your submission of William Tennent III at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and some issues with it may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! Gwillhickers (talk) 21:22, 16 March 2020 (UTC)

On 17 March 2020, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Apache Nitrogen Products, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Apache Powder Company used a fleet of fireless locomotives to prevent accidental explosions? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Apache Nitrogen Products. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Apache Nitrogen Products), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

--valereee (talk) 00:02, 17 March 2020 (UTC)

Quick facts Three years! ...

Precious

Three years!

Close

--Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:39, 23 March 2020 (UTC)