User talk:Magitroopa/Archive 2

How do I establish a consensus before using a template, Magitroopa? You told me to do this for the loud house talk page, but I don't know how to do this. Could you explain to me in simplest terms how I do this? I would appreciate it. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.187.14.107 (talk) 16:50, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

It means that you should discuss this before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. Discuss the issue with editors on the talk page before straight away adding an edit request. Coming straight from the template page itself, "For any change that might be controversial, obtain consensus before placing the template." Magitroopa (talk) 16:55, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

So do you think you could show me how to actually do this? I go to the talk page of "The Loud House" and I discuss the issue there. But do I need to specifically add in anything while I am addressing the issue, like {{}}, cite web, or anything like that? The weird symbols and words I need to add while I am discussing the issue, if any. I am kind of new to this, so I don't actually know what I'm doing, so do you think you could guide me through the process so that I know what to do so that I don't cause any problems, like getting blocked by a user from editing and stuff like that? I'd appreciate it if you would do this for me, Magitroopa. Thank you.

I forgot something. I really want to fix the issue with the number of episodes and segments so that it looks good, and I want to do this right, but the page is blocked and I can't edit it and so that's why I am making an edit request for the users that can edit that to edit that, so please help me. Thank you.

Hey, Magitroopa. I asked who agrees with my issue and that it needs to be fixed and no one has gotten back yet. Is that how I gain consensus? If not, then I need a step-by-step explanation of how to gain consensus. I have Autism, so I sometimes don't get what people tell me, so I need you, if that's not right, to give me a real breakdown, a step-by-step explanation in which I would understand. Nothing complicated, but just a simple explanation of how to do this. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8804:1000:387E:31FF:D894:1068:37EC (talk) 21:19, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

Good evening, Magitroopa. You haven't responded to my thing yet. Please respond to it as soon as you can. Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.187.14.107 (talk) 23:40, 1 September 2020 (UTC)

In my previous edit of List of Nick Jr. original programming, I changed the release date from 2021 to TBA. I also did added references which was this article. Just wanna let you know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BF2020 (talk • contribs) 06:53, 7 September 2020 (UTC)

I have a question regarding this revert, you mentioned that this editor is making "wrong edits" but I'd like to know why; as the rest of the sources about viewership for most episodes are too from Showbuzz Daily (I haven't opened this link nor the others as I'm writing this because I'm still at work), I think this would help the editor to find the proper source for viewership for this show instead of ambiguously telling them that "you did this wrong," greetings -Gouleg🛋️ (Talk • Contribs) 21:00, 14 September 2020 (UTC)

I have the sources for the future of The Casagrandes, but I can't add it due to Copyright in Wikipedia. --166.48.192.218 (talk) 21:49, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Then just wait for a site like The Futon Critic to update. That's where the production codes come from anyways, so the production codes you added for those unsourced future episodes is original research anyways. The titles/airdates are not listed on Zap2it either, so just wait for them to be listed/sourced properly. Magitroopa (talk) 21:53, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

An episode will air in AUstralia and New-Zeland on October 21, 2020 before the USA (November 25, 2020). --166.48.192.218 (talk) 21:56, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

The dates are not sourced either way, and we only go by the US dates. Just wait. Magitroopa (talk) 21:58, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

Look:

https://www.intanibase.com/shorts.aspx?shortID=65636 --166.48.192.218 (talk) 21:59, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

You can note the episodes which aired before the USA.

Example:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Powerpuff_Girls_(2016_TV_series)_episodes#cite_ref-80 --166.48.192.218 (talk) 22:03, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

They are not being added. Entirely WP:OSE. We only go by the US airdates, we don't need to list airdates of every country per WP:INDISCRIMINATE. And that 'Internet Animation Database' website is likely WP:NOTRS, so stop asking. Wait for Zap2it or The Futon Critic to update. Thank you. Magitroopa (talk) 22:04, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

The codes or numbering on futon critic are not official production codes and shouldn't be used as such. Codes should be from a official source or in the credits of the episode. 2001:470:1F2D:C:78EF:4AF3:28D2:17F7 (talk) 22:53, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Except they are, they are the production codes provided by the network. Should be noted that The Futon Critic is indeed a reliable source. Also, Nickelodeon does not list production codes of episodes in credits- this is how they list them (and are obtained) instead. So yes, they are perfectly fine to include, and are not just the 'futon numbering'. These are indeed the production codes and are fine to be included. Magitroopa (talk) 22:56, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

No they are not futon uses a general numbering scheme and have never been considered a reliable source of production codes just as the library of congress site isn't one either. Official sources for production codes are credits, scripts and the ISAN database. 2001:470:1F2D:C:78EF:4AF3:28D2:17F7 (talk) 23:12, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Except it is fine. They have been used on many Nickelodeon series and still are. TFC is definitely considered a reliable source, especially with how it is listed on WP:TVRS- which it has been listed here as a reliable source since at least 2014. And again, Nickelodeon does not list production codes in their credits- they provide them to TFC. They won't be removed just because you've decided it's not reliable, and they certainly won't be mass removed from all the articles currently using such production codes. Also see some of the discussion semi-related to this at Talk:The Futon Critic#TFC does not provide links to original sources and RFC: Proposal to eliminate production codes from lists of episodes. It's been discussed many other times over the years, TFC is definitely a reliable source for this information, it is not just their desired numbering. Magitroopa (talk) 23:23, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

For the last time it is NOT a WP:TVRS for production codes. It is only as reliable source for episode titles and dates. Only credits, scripts and the ISAN database are reliable sources for production codes. If you don't remove them I will push this to other registered editors who will. 2001:470:1F2D:C:78EF:4AF3:28D2:17F7 (talk) 23:29, 1 October 2020 (UTC)

Currently the Santiago of the Seas article is a draft. Since the show aired, I was wondering if you want to make improvements to the article.

Examples including adding more sources and removing stuff that you think is unsourced.

Can you please do that for me? If not interested, I will ask another person.

BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 20:48, 10 October 2020 (UTC)

Can you please help me on the page 101 Dalmatian Street? I am moving the episode list for spoiler reasons. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 02:47, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

(talk page stalker)@BaldiBasicsFan: - I have reverted the changes that you made as it was really a pointless exercise. We don't create episode list articles for a single season and we certainly don't then transclude that list back to the main series article, especially to the same point where the list formerly resided. That did absolutely nothing to avoid spoilers and, in any case, WP:SPOILER applies. --AussieLegend (✉) 04:47, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

@AussieLegend: May I recreate when theirs a second season? BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 18:02, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

An episode list article should not be created until there is sufficient justification for a split. Please see MOS:TV for some guidance. --AussieLegend (✉) 18:38, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

Ok, because the list in the future might become too long. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 19:04, 4 April 2020 (UTC)

An episode list for a show usually happens when they reach 50 episodes, but since it's stitched to 26 in the U.S., the episode list would eventually happen once a second season premieres. ChannelSpider (talk) 01:48, 16 October 2020 (UTC)

so, I have been trying to import the SpongeBob Season 13 Digital Download Cover on the season page for 2 days now, and I don't know how? Can you do it? ChannelSpider (talk) 21:03, 26 October 2020 (UTC)

Hi, so the episode scheduled for December 4th, do you think it would be best to keep that blank for now (as you just did)? I'm pretty confident the episode is called "Blue's Night Before Christmas". I'm not sure if it's a reliable source but it's also listed here: https://www.cynopsis.com/cynopsis-holiday-programming-guide-2020/ Plus, I remember in a behind-the-scenes article they were showing Steve would return for a holiday special, and according to the supposed episode synopsis it also mentions Steve. I'm confident it's legit, but I'm assuming that it can't be put into Wikipedia until there's a more reliable source? P.S. It seems a lot of kids kept filling in the article with fake episode names... ugh. VGPCVGCP (talk) 15:56, 30 October 2020 (UTC)

That looks good enough to me – i.e. it looks to me like the draft passes WP:TVSHOW and WP:GNG. I would advise moving it to mainspace. It looks like it's moveable by anyone, but if you need help, let me know... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:22, 2 November 2020 (UTC)

Response to claim: Source says nothing about this.

Please notice last episode scheduled and added to the list Jonathan Mangum 8. Next season begins on Jan 8th. As listed Cycle 9 premiere. As you are the next season is the 9th of the current iteration of the show. As the show was ongoing through out the year in 2020, this is clearly the mark of the new season. Until that date there are 2 episodes left to air after Mangum 8 those are the last two remaining episodes of season 16, which therefore gives the season a total of 22 episodes. This is consistent with the regular pattern of 12 episodes in most produced seasons of the show with what airs being different. On this occasion the produced season 16 will end at the same time as the year ends, alongside a schedule switch for season 17. ---- JohnGormleyJG (✉) 17:45, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

The NickStory project has been going since it started around March/April 2019 and I've been posting schedules on it since then as well as the recent additions of the sister and international channels. Just because it's hosted on Fandom, that doesn't mean that Wikipedia should automatically detect it as not reliable as they actually are trying to become a reliable source.

Read the bio:

"Welcome to the Nickstory Archives, a collaborative project aiming to archive and preserve Nickelodeon's schedule history from its humble beginnings in 1979, to the Nickelodeon of today. Not only do we list all the shows that aired on a particular date, one of our key features is the presence of episode titles and images from the actual broadcasts! All of our information has been exhaustively researched, tying into our mission to provide an accurate and reliable resource for fans and researchers alike.

Currently, we are a major work in progress, but continually growing each day."

(Anthonyg3281 (talk) 04:10, 4 November 2020 (UTC))

@Anthonyg3281: Barely any of that matters. Still a user contributed site, see WP:USERG. Wikia/FANDOM is WP:NOTRS, and that likely isn't changing anytime soon. Magitroopa (talk) 04:14, 4 November 2020 (UTC)

I came to you this instant after I noticed some user had recently vandalized the article for Big Brother 12 (American season) and Big Brother 19 (American season). There is a comment stated that the putting the future BB placements (notably Big Brother 22 (American season)) are deemed vandalism. I have revert the edits. This move was because that sister CBS's shows like TAR and Survivor, which they do not state placements for future seasons (but other shows are allowed however). I need to do your part to help me monitor those possible edits, and do your part undo the edits if come arise.

I have provided the synopsis for those competitions in return, though, I managed to get it from a blogger website called Bobbymgsk, in case you are wondering.

Thanks. TVSGuy (talk) 14:49, 6 November 2020 (UTC)

 You are invited to join the discussion at The Astronauts (TV series). Any comments you can add, if you have any, would be appreciated. Amaury • 17:32, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

If you would like to remove my reference, then please find another way to give proper attribution to the Hell's Kitchen Wiki on Fandom. It's clear that information was copied from that wiki, so to be in compliance with the CC-BY-SA license, you must include attribution Zacatero (talk) 17:22, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

That's not how it works. A fan-run Wiki is 100% WP:NOTRS, whether or not you are the head person of it or not. It is also quite possible someone created the table based upon the formatting of the other seasons here... and we're not going to start sourcing your Wiki everywhere just so you can get your advertising you are seemingly trying to get. Magitroopa (talk) 17:29, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't care about "advertising" but it's clear that the Fandom wiki was used for the Contestant Progress table. As required by the Fandom licensing, you are only allowed to use that information from the Fandom wiki so long as you attribute a source to it. Just follow the rules, that's all I'm asking. Zacatero (talk) 18:38, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

in the summary of this edit you said "we go by the country of origin" --- where did you get that idea from? 78.28.55.91 (talk) 05:01, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

As I mentioned to other users (you can even see the conversation above here), see MOS:TVINTL. US is the country of origin, but the UK info can certainly be added about it airing prior to the US release, which it already has been with reliable sources. However, the main focus on the article is the country of origin. We're not going to have 18 seasons of using all the US info, and just because it started airing first elsewhere, have season 19 go by different country dates/info. So yes, it is still an 'upcoming' season despite it airing already elsewhere. Magitroopa (talk) 05:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Category:2020 television seasons clearly says it's for "[t]elevision seasons that have aired at least one episode in the year 2020." Has HK S19 aired at least one episode in the year 2020? Yes or no? Exactly. I'll give you some time to undo your nonsense edit by yourself but don't keep me waiting for too long. 78.28.55.91 (talk) 05:22, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

See the infobox- "Country of origin: United States" and "Original network: Fox". That means we should be going by the American info rather than the other the other countries' info. None of it is a 'nonsense edit'. That category you listed also doesn't seem like it would be the correct place it would be categorized to either way- I believe it's for the subcategories of the different countries' television seasons. As far as I can tell, the three actual pages with that category don't have their own country to be categorized into, which is why they are located in there instead. With this Hell's Kitchen series being an American series with the origin country being America, the correct categorization would actually be Category:2021 American television seasons, which is currently already on the page (but hidden until it actually premieres in the US). So yes, it seems the current categorizations are correct. Magitroopa (talk) 05:38, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Apologies for seeing your most recent edit history, but seeing as how you appear to be looking at MOS:TVCATS, note how it says to avoid network categories for shows when it was not originally produced for that network. The American series of Hell's Kitchen was not originally made for ITV, but it just happens to be airing there first. Note these two categorization lines:

• Original programming by American television network or channel‎ --> Fox Broadcasting Company original programming --> Hell's Kitchen (American TV series)
• Original programming by British television network or channel --> ITV (TV network) original programming --> Television shows produced by Granada Television --> Hell's Kitchen (British TV series)

So yes, we would be going by the country of origin/network of origin for the categorizations. I've also recently found out that The Ellen Degeneres Show airs in the UK as well. However, just because it does, that does not change it from being an American series and does not mean the UK categorizations get added onto that show. Magitroopa (talk) 05:51, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

None of this changes the fact that the series is already on air. Sure, it's still technically "upcoming" in all the countries where it's yet to air but it's beside the point. Wikipedia looks at matters globally; as soon as a production gets officially aired anywhere, it no longer fits our definition of "upcoming." Also, Category:2020 television seasons has nothing to do with any particular network and so the guidelines you're quoting are completely irrelevant to the issue we're discussing. Bottom line, are you going to undo your edit or do you intend to maintain that categorizing HK S19, an already released series, as "upcoming" is correct? 78.28.55.91 (talk) 06:08, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Yet it does, since the categorizations are based upon country of origin. The guidelines are perfectly relevant and going by the way it currently is would be correct as the US is the country of origin. It does not matter that it is already airing in the UK. You are welcome to actually discuss the issue with me, but I'm not going to have you demand/force me to undo correct categorizations based upon the country of origin. It is not an ITV original nor is the UK the country of origin, so having the 2021 American seasons category (hidden until it actually airs) and the 'upcoming' category is correct, as the categorizations clearly go by countries/networks of origin, rather than just 'where it began airing first'. If ITV/UK were listed as the country/network origins in the infobox, then yes, it would be fine to include plenty more UK info. However, it will remain a US/Fox origin show, so yes, it is indeed still upcoming. Again, MOS:TVCATS states that series should avoid network categories when they were not originally produced for that network- which that alone perfectly explains why we go by country/network of origin. So at this point, you are suggesting to go against MOS, which is a definite no. Magitroopa (talk) 06:21, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Category:2020 television seasons is not country-specific and neither is it network-specific. For that reason, any guidelines that pertain to network-specific or country-specific categorization are irrelevant to it. It's a category for television seasons that (first) aired at least one episode in 2020. Has HK S19 aired at least one episode in 2020? Yes or no? 78.28.55.91 (talk) 13:35, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. I've filed an ANI report on your behalf in regards to Lonniemitchell2. When you're able to, please respond to the discussion and add any details, information, and diffs that you can provide that you believe are relevant. Thanks - ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 12:13, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

It is clearly sourced that the show aired in the UK first starting in October. Stop removing this information Makro (talk) 10:01, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@Makro: You claimed that all my edits were disruptive, when in fact, they are not. If anything, your revert was the disruptive edit among recent edits. Even if the season did begin airing in the UK prior to the US premiere, we don't suddenly change which country we're going by when seasons 1-18 are go by the correct country of origin, and season 19 suddenly does not. The UK has it's own show here.

The version you are reverting back to also as 4 sources, 1 of which is Reddit- WP:NOTRS (see WP:SOCIALMEDIA) and another of which is a privated YouTube video- of which is clearly not helpful whatsoever.

The edits I did were actually constructive and would now be the WP:STATUSQUO. If there is reliable sourcing regarding the UK airing of the season prior to the US, then it can possibly be mentioned, but the article will still focus primarily on the country of origin, which would be Fox in the US. Magitroopa (talk) 10:08, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@Magitroopa: I did add a reliable source, the Radio Times. Which shows Hell's kitchen Season 19 started airing in the UK in October. Just because the previous seasons show US air dates doesn't mean this season should. This is the first season to air out of the US in the shows history as is mentioned in the article. Makro (talk) 10:33, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@Makro: Please see my latest response here. Magitroopa (talk) 10:34, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@Magitroopa: i have updated using a source from the UK broadcaster that shows all original airdates for each episode. I hope this is reliable enough. Makro (talk) 10:46, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

As I mentioned here, "As for the case of HK S19, it seems to be a notable broadcast due to the season airing in the UK prior to the US premiere, but that does not mean: 1) Every date/episode listing must use the UK info instead of the US info 2) This season alone has a different country of origin than S1-18. The series is a US series, and thus, should continue focusing on that CoO throughout each season article." Magitroopa (talk) 10:48, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

I just wanted to add this here since it's clearly in the same topic. Please be sure to properly reference where you get information from. I can tell that the charts and other information has come from the Hell's Kitchen Wiki on Fandom. I have added a reference to this wiki to make sure we're staying inside the CC-BY-SA license, which requires attribution if you use content under this license. Thank you. Zacatero (talk) 16:21, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@Zacatero: When i created the table on the HK19 wiki i did so using the template from past seasons. I watch each episode as it airs in the UK and update the table after each episode. According to your bio you are American and live in Georgia. This season has not aired in the US so it means YOU are actually stealing from this page. Makro (talk) 19:41, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

@Makro: I don't really appreciate the notion that just because I live in the USA means that I haven't seen the season, nor that I know the final lineup of Chefs and placements as well as the winner. I already know all of those things. I am not the only contributor of the Hell's Kitchen Wiki, there are people all over the world who edit our wiki as well. My apologies for assuming it was taken from our Fandom wiki, if that's the case. Zacatero (talk) 20:53, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Adam Carolla was in the dining room in the latest episode - with the final 4 chefs taking it in turns to run the hotplate, and being deliberately sabotaged by both Chef Ramsay and Sous-Chef Christina. - (124.197.55.28 (talk) 06:31, 10 December 2020 (UTC))

I saw your report at WP:AIV and have blocked that account for 24 hours. I'm sorry your first report went stale. If after they return from the block they continue to perform the same sort of edits, please let me know. Thanks, --Hammersoft (talk) 14:42, 16 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia is already nonsense; hence WP:WINARS. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 20:37, 20 December 2020 (UTC)

When we prepare for the next episode, I always say prepare an hour at least before it's starts. --Annamargarita0 (talk) 13:23, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

You’re telling me you want a source, but on the episodes that have aired on different countries have the same thing like me. Just the release date, what do you want specifically? Those episodes just have release dates from different countries as sources. So, I don’t know? FarmersChen (talk) 04:25, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

@FarmersChen: Truthfully, all those notes regarding 'episode premiered in _____ first' should be removed, as I'm pretty sure all of them are unsourced and none of them would really pass MOS:TVINTL. The two main sources used are The Futon Critic and Zap2it, so upcoming episodes that are listed such as "Lighthouse Louie/Hiccup Plague" would be fine (as well as all already-aired episodes in the U.S.). The only possible exception would be in the case of an 'A' or 'B' episode airing before its partner episode, such as "Who R Zoo?" listing "The Kwarantined Krab" in the end credits.

I have no clue when/why listing other countries' first aired dates started, but they are currently supported by 0 sources, so I'm inclined to remove all of those. I'd personally say that the only real 'exception' should be if an episode is released early on a DVD, such is the case with previous seasons. Ideally, all of these unsourced dates should not be listed just like season 8 currently has it. Magitroopa (talk) 04:40, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

Well, that leads me to my next question. Next week, the dvd of the 12th season comes out and most episodes haven’t aired yet. With that, when the dvd is released with the episodes not aired, including the ones I’m adding, will they still be disinclined because they haven’t aired yet technically on television or will they be added with the dvd release date as their official release date? FarmersChen (talk) 05:01, 4 January 2021 (UTC)

• Magitroopa, I've blocked FarmersChen as a sock account.-- Jezebel's Ponyo^{bons mots} 21:38, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

I don't think we should be using the misleading wording that implies Hillenburg “served” in a creative role for the whole project (which he wasn’t around for a lot of). Even the Kamp Koral credits will keep his EP title, despite him not taking part at all, according to Vincent Waller. It's just a credit given to the creator on all projects “whether or not he takes part”. SBSPfan (talk) 14:50, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

@SBSPfan: Not 'misleading' when this is what is clearly shown in the credits (see 2:27). And as you've previously been explained, that Twitter account of Waller is currently WP:NOTRS. Magitroopa (talk) 14:55, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

I know he is given the credit. He always will be, as the creator of the show. I am not using the Twitter as a source in the article, but Vincent has still mentioned that Hillenburg will always receive that credit no matter what. The “served” part is not right, since he’s automatically given that credit and the credits do not actually say anything other than he is credited with that title. When the Kamp Koral credits come out, they’ll apparently also credit him as EP, but this doesn’t mean he actually served any role on that project either. Shouldn’t the wording at least be changed to “credited as an executive producer” or something less misleading (right now, it sounds like he actively produced it)? SBSPfan (talk) 20:04, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Hey😁 Chloemimi (talk) 07:21, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

I'm here to let you know that SpongeBob's Birthday Blowout is a season 12 episode and not a standalone special.

There is absolutely no reason why this shouldn't count as 254-255. The DVD basically confirms its placement and its inclusion in season 12, and Futon shouldn't be the only source to determine this kind of stuff. Futon tends to list hour long specials as random numbers (take a look at Schooled! from Loud House), so it isn't reliable in that regard.

Liz (talk) 21:07, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

Also, you reverted my edit saying that there's already a discussion going on. Where exactly is it then?

Liz (talk) 21:29, 22 January 2021 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the edits you reverted here on Odd Squad were more than likely good faith and not disruptive editing--one was a copyedit and the other was unneeded but not disruptive (though that doesn't necessarily speak for any other edit, especially considering it's an IP). Just mentioning that because when I saw your revert, the summary confused me considering what was reverted to. - Purplewowies (talk) 06:53, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

So, I've tried to do this several times, but its been undone: The airdate for the SpongeBob episode "Hooky" is February 23, 2001. Proof: https://nickstory.fandom.com/wiki/February_23,_2001 Will you please fix this? Places like iTunes are horrible and unreliable resources for TV airdates. Spongemoore (talk) 17:11, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

@Spongemoore: Nickstory (and FANDOM/Wikia in general) is WP:NOTRS. Please see WP:RSPSOURCES which says, "Fandom (formerly Wikia and Wikicities) is considered generally unreliable because open wikis are self-published sources. Although citing Wikia as a source is against policy, copying Fandom content into Wikipedia is permissible if it is published under a compatible license...". There is more information provided about it at WP:GUNREL.

Although, it seems it definitely needs to be looked into more, since sources disagree about the airdate... iTunes says March 3, 2001, YouTube agrees with that date, and Amazon says April 8, 2000.

There is no reason for iTunes being 'horrible' or 'unreliable', as the network themselves give the info + episodes to them, and it's certainly much better than a clearly WP:NOTRS and fan-run Wiki. Magitroopa (talk) 19:02, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Well. Nickstory, the wiki I cited, is different. It uses reliable sources like newspapers. In this case, it uses a recorded VHS tape with all targets pointing to a February 23, 2001 date. Also, there's a TON of proof that the April 8, 200 date is a big fat lie. Spongemoore (talk) 02:01, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

hi, thanks for removing the red link Ndlovu Youth Choir out of America's Got Talent (season 14) within one second. i was wondering to write a little about them - but as you were so quick in removing the link i am wondering if you have an opinion if these guys are notable for english wikipedia or not? --ThurnerRupert (talk) 00:15, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

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Alright dude, I added the citation, are you happy now? P.S. Can you please just block the Judge Cuts Table by using <--(!)--> instead of completely deleting it. You have no idea how long it takes for me to write all those names down. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.89.95.152 (talk) 06:51, 16:42, 14 July 2019 (UTC)

Hi, i understand that it was my fault for using a different source for the future episodes of season 15 of AGT. i have always used the same one but the one you want posted looks like a good site to use also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Spanisharabic (talk • contribs) 19:05, 14 July 2020 (UTC)

An article for this is likely forthcoming, as the series premieres soon (this month?...). FWIW, I think a good case that the article should go at the base title, Drama Club – which right now is just a redirect to a recent album because a song with title is on the album – rather than at Drama Club (TV series). I think the Nickelodeon series makes a much better case for being at the base title. The current redirect should instead be moved to Drama Club (song). That's my $0.02. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 20:43, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

Have you considered using WP:TW and/or WP:REDWARN? These help greatly with some things, including reporting to AIV. Cheers, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 03:12, 4 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi, is there any way you can create this article? It’s called Come Dance with Me (TV series). DeBlockerMan G7 (talk) 00:06, 16 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello. I notice that you changed the Mr. Meaty Wiki page a bit. That's good. Just stopping to say hello.

Please Note: Mr. Meaty came out as a pilot on Nickelodeon and CBC on December 30, 2005, but it wasn't a series until September 22, 2006, on Nickelodeon. So this means it first debuted as a pilot on Nickelodeon in 2005, and it was made as a series, with Season 1 which was filmed around the Summer of 2006 to Fall of 2006 (I think), and debuted on Nickelodeon as a series on September 22, 2006. VictorRocks (talk) 03:39, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

hello Magitroopa, I saw that you undo some of my changes and explain that you have to bring sources and become familiar with the community. I understood the message, but my modification on Angelo Rules nothing that was there was wrong, it is probably because I did not put a source of agreement. Listen, I am going to put back my modification of Angelo Rule but there I will bring the necessary sources, thank you and when it is necessary I will put the sources for my next modifications. Rayan wind (talk) 03:58, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

@Rayan wind: No- you need sources to verify information on Wikipedia. Everything you have added is either original research, personal opinions, or just completely unsourced information. Please add sources if you intend to add the information in. If not, you may end up being blocked from editing for a period of time. Thank you. I also suggest checking out this for information to help you find useful sources. Magitroopa (talk) 04:07, 21 April 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Magitroopa. You have new messages at Talk:Jeopardy!.
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AldezD (talk) 13:17, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

I seen you were bold and removed a chunk of the article based on how long it has gone unsourced. Yes, it should have been sourced at time. Yes, stuff should be removed. But, you can also help with sourcing. I can say for certain you didn't bother to try and find sources. You should have taken a bit of time to do so before having removed what you did. As well, those citation templates you put in those sections are kind of useless. They don't do anything to get people to source a section. It seems as though people just shrug it off and think someone else will do it. Some articles have templates added years ago and nothing is done. I find it lazy to just stick a template on an article. Helping clean up articles, source, etc. is part of editing. For someone who wants people to source, you didn't do that when removing stuff and adding templates. So you might want to do before telling someone to source. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 10:39, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

@Fishhead2100: See the rest of the edit summary too: WP:INDISCRIMINATE would likely apply to all the guest stars listed there. The special guests are also already listed in the episode tables from season 9-17, so they already appear in the respective season articles (Ex: Whose Line Is It Anyway? (American season 9)) and since they appear in the tables for 9-17, that means those are all already listed on the LoE article as well.

With that in mind, the only thing 'worth' bringing back from that section would be the Seasons 1–8 guest stars, which is only a small part of the section- but 9-16 definitely don't need to be in multiple places when it get be seen elsewhere. Likely two best options would be to bring the section back with only season 1-8 guest stars, or insert those guest stars into the episode tables for said seasons like 9-17 are already doing. (FYI, I had thought the seasons 1-8 guest stars were already listed in the respective season articles/tables, but only realized after the fact that they were not. That's my mistake.)

One last note- one of those sections I placed the unreferenced tag in (specifically Awards and nominations) will be taken care of tomorrow... I need some rest right now though, lol. Magitroopa (talk) 10:58, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

When formatting an awards table, you put edition of the awards as the year not the award itself. You link to the the award Academy Awards in the awards section of the table. you also use rowspan= when formatting awards as well. Stand, basic stuff. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 03:11, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, no you don't. Or maybe you do, but what you are saying is absolutely no kind of rule – there is absolutely no "requirement" that rowspan "has" to be used, and plenty of us editors either oppose its use entirely, or only support its use in ways that promote readability. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 03:39, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

I've reverted on this a second time – I won't revert a third. But this editor is edit warring over this, and it's now two editors against their changes, so I'm guessing this editor will be a problem. It's why I generally stay away from the reality TV show and game show articles... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 04:18, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: If you can't read it, that's on you. You reverted first. Telling people to not revert when you've reverted twice makes you look bad. As well as saying "...this editor will be a problem" makes you look bad since you're doing what you are accusing other people of. Leave it as how it was fixed. Oh and there has been no discussion the talk page. So what I've done is completely fine. Just because don't like it doesn't mean you just go and revert. That's not how things work. Mr. C.C.^{Hey yo!}_{I didn't do it!} 04:27, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

Nickeldeon is just the network that airs the episodes. That company is the one that releases those shows like for Example: South Park, The Daily Show, Jersey Shore, Jersey Shore: Family Vacation, Beavis and Butt-Head, Yellowstone (American TV series) and even some iconic Nickeldeon shows like Dora the Explorer, The Fairly OddParents, Avatar: The Last Airbender, and iCarly, just to name a few have them. So again, I ask you. Should I remove the distribution on those pages because of your argument that the network is the distributor. And that doesn’t just apply to ViacomCBS, I mean from companies like Disney, WarnerMedia, Netflix, NBCUniversal, Amazon, etc. Please make your case on why those should be kept but for some reason this doesn’t.Kinsley Bottom (talk) 07:03, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

@Kinsley Bottom: As you were already told, it's a case-by-case basis. In some cases, such as when shows go into syndication, the distributor would be listed (such as The Office where it originally aired on NBC, but currently also airs reruns on Comedy Central, Cozi TV, etc.)

I'm not going to go through each show you've mentioned (as I said, case-by-case basis)- but for example, The Fairly OddParents. Yes, it is a Nickelodeon-original series. However, as shown (and sourced!) in the article, Nelvana distributes the series internationally.

In the particular case of SpongeBob, it is a Nickelodeon-original and only airs on Nickelodeon channels (apart from a CBS airing of an episode) including Nickelodeon, Nicktoons, and the international Nickelodeon channels (Nickelodeon UK, etc.) The only other 'odd' case in regards to this show is the recent film The SpongeBob Movie: Sponge on the Run, in which Netflix has international rights to the film. In a nutshell, Nickelodeon would still be the distributor of the show.

Again (hopefully for the final time), this is a case-by-case situation. Some shows/networks may handle rights similarly, others may have another. This is not your opportunity to go around changing other articles as you see fit simply because you don't understand how it works. WP:OSE also applies to this. Thank you. Magitroopa (talk) 07:21, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

So just to be clear, it doesn’t apply to SpongeBob because it’s not on syndication and no foreign company distributes internationally. Is there a page you can list that shows the rules on this? I want to read more about this. Kinsley Bottom (talk) 07:29, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

To be honest as of today, I think Corn & Peg has ended. The show's final episode "Together, Apart!", aired on October 8, 2020. It was probably because of low ratings. 2601:C2:4100:46E0:7CAC:BD54:B91A:CDFB (talk) 02:23, 8 May 2021 (UTC)

Magitroopa, can you please check for yourself and see if you are satisfied with what I've come up with at List of As Told by Ginger episodes and As Told by Ginger?

My approach hopefully solves all of the problems in that: 1) it's accurate (as per my posting at the LoE Talk page), 2) it harmonizes the "end date" at the series page with what as shown as the LoE page, and 3) it still includes all of the relevant information added to the LoE article about the "The Splat" and CBS All Access releases (though I would like to see a better source for the CBS All Access release...).

Incidentally, this is basically exactly the same "solution" I have in mind to tackle the similar problem with the Dora the Explorer article (see my comments on the Talk page there).

Anyway, just let me know if you think this acceptable or not. (P.S. I don't intend to watchlist these articles right now, so if somebody undoes everything I just did there, I likely won't see it. Hopefully you have these two on your watchlist...) --IJBall (contribs • talk) 15:01, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

For the record, I don't like how the pilot episode is handled in the series overview table either – I'm thinking it should just be removed from that. But if you have any other ideas, let me know... --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:43, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

And now I could use more eyes on List of As Told by Ginger episodes – IP editor is removing the completely valid 'No. in season' column from the episode tables without any explanation. We've had an IP vandal in the past who has done this before, though just in 'Season 1' tables – I don't know if it's the same editor, but the M.O. is similar. Also, pinging Geraldo Perez here to request that he also keep an eye on this article as well. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 17:06, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

@IJBall: First off, thanks for the page moving for the Hell's Kitchen season article. Will do the links and stuff (as you had mentioned) soonish.

Secondly, in regards to As Told by Ginger- this actually isn't a show I've watched much... haha. Was mainly there editing/reverting recently due to a new sock of an ongoing sockpuppet investigation. That being said, I'll still take a look when I get a chance to. Been finishing up some school stuff last week and now this week is the last week for the semester, so I'll likely have some time soon (Taking a quick peek though, it certainly seems much better than saying that the series aired/was in production up to now...)

Lastly, I'm about to add an alt_name/AKA name for a show (specifically Ryan's Mystery Playdate), as the new current season has a different title (Ryan’s Mystery Playdate: Command Center). I've been trying to look for literally any series that has a season that was titled differently just to see how it's done there, but I can't find much- closest I've found is Holey Moley. What's the best approach in adding the season title as an AKA in the infobox?: 1) including the year with the title 2) including the season no. with the title 3) just the title itself

Thanks again. Magitroopa (talk) 18:56, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Also in regards to Hunter Street again... still doesn't seem to be much in regards to secondary sourcing, but the season 4 episodes are listed on Prime Video and Apple TV, though not available for the US. Article still says the series has ended, but at this point, I don't think there's a question in regards to if there is/isn't a season 4, it just isn't airing here. I'll likely leave it to someone like yourself or Amaury to update it correctly. Magitroopa (talk) 19:14, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

A couple of examples of a "differently titled season" are Lab Rats and Liv and Maddie (in the case of both of these shows, it was just the final season that was differently titled). I had thought that we had put the different title in the IB, but it looks like that was removed – however the different titling is definitely covered in the lede... On Hunter Street, I believe I had said that now that it has premiered in the UK, we can update the article, using things like the Radio Times source – it's suboptimal, but once something like this has aired, these kinds of primary sources can be used as verification. --IJBall (contribs • talk) 13:19, 11 May 2021 (UTC)

Can you please help me with editing. I'm still struggling with a few things. If you get this message please talk to me soon.thank you Chloemimi (talk) 18:59, 26 May 2021 (UTC)

@Magitroopa Please improve this article for me, multiple issues of it have been listed as found by Butlerblog. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 01:41, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

Is nick.com (the official website of Nickelodeon) for you a reliable source?

Here you can see the episodetitles and airdates for the 2 shorts from May 28, 2021

https://www.nick.com/video/p2tzo7/it-s-pony-coffee-run https://www.nick.com/video/dhhf8r/it-s-pony-paper-chase

• The Nickelodeon website is WP:OR. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 02:00, 1 June 2021 (UTC)

I don't know what your objection really is to having the infobox be in a standardized format to the other seasons. Not only is the style I edited used in all seasons of MasterChef, but every season of multiple other cooking competition shows including MasterChef Junior and Hell's Kitchen (American TV series). Please understand, I am honestly trying to make the articles better by maintaining uniformity. You stated in your edit summary that someone should go back and edit the previous seasons instead, do you plan on doing this to all of these shows? Please don't take this the wrong way but you seem to be very determined to have the edits be done your way or no one else's. - SanAnMan (talk) 18:06, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

@SanAnMan: Not right away, but I do plan on cleaning up the main/season articles (for HK, MC, and MCJ). There's some other stuff I'm wanting to get cleaned up as well (for example, Whose Line Is It Anyway? episode tables- essentially paramters are being used completely incorrectly). But yes, I plan on getting to the article, hoping sooner than later. Even just looking at episode summaries alone for something like the Hell's Kitchen season articles, there's lots of MOS:NUMERAL cleanup needed.

And I know I've reverted a bit over on the S11 article- first off, whether I mention it's a goodfaith revert in my edit summary or not, I definitely do not mean any ill-will or anything similar. Second, ideally yes, if it's season articles for the same show, they should follow the same formatting, but I do plan on cleaning up the other season articles as I've mentioned. And definitely, anything going contra-MOS should not be carried over to each season article, even if all of them do the same (just as a quick example, the opening lead of S1-10 articles all start off with "Season #" rather than spelling it out like the S11 article. That will definitely need to be fixed in the other articles, another NUMERAL case. Also some MOS:BOLDAVOID stuff in the leads.).

Also not sure if you saw this, but I left a new response at Talk:MasterChef (American TV series)#Series overview cleanup a few days ago- just an FYI. Magitroopa (talk) 21:53, 4 June 2021 (UTC)

Re this report: I have blocked him indefinitely over that username, on the grounds that it's one of the few that are inherently disruptive. In the future make reports on suspect usernames (if that's the only issue) to WP:UAA. Daniel Case (talk) 20:37, 6 June 2021 (UTC)

That deletion tag was actually a mistake, I meant to redirect the article. Now I wanna ask you kindly to please leave me alone so I can redirect it. 2600:1000:B077:4F9D:D41D:305C:3A11:2640 (talk) 04:57, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Yet this isn't your sole discretion/decision to just remove the article in its entirety or even where to redirect it to. A discussion needs to actually take place, now please stop. Magitroopa (talk) 04:59, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi Magitroopa. The IP was wrong for edit warring, but there was nothing wrong with them removing their post from WT:AFD the first time; editors are allowed to remove their talk page posts per WP:REDACT as long as nobody has replied to them and not too much time has passed. Your re-adding of the post was really not warranted in this case. The AFD template the IP added to the article was also most likely a mistake and the IP can remove that as well since no corresponding AFD existed and the IP wasn't going to create one. Even the IP's bold redirect was OK，in principle, but it was just as OK for you to revert the redirect and request discussion. At that point everything went off the rails and the edit warring by the IP over the redirect was completely unacceptable. The IP actually did need to start an AFD if they wanted the article redirected so as to see if there was a consensus to do so. The article is now protected, and my guess is that the IP will be likely be back in a few days; if the edit warring starts up again, you should probably just go straight to AN3 and avoid filling up the page's history with back-and-forth reverts. -- Marchjuly (talk) 05:53, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Hey Magitroopa, I owe you an apology. I sincerely apologize for edit warring against you on those articles, Marchjuly is right, I know edit warring is wrong and it’s not the right way to solve this problem. I apologize ignoring your edit summaries on to follow the deletion policy, but not that you two started a discussion about the Michael E. Rodgers article, I will follow what you two say. Again, I take back what I said in my edit summaries about you, I didn’t physically mean it. The was just a little annoying that no one wasn’t listening to me on what I have to say about my edits. But now, since you started a discussion, I will follow it for now on. 2600:1000:B075:1662:1567:AF67:CF5:399C (talk) 14:51, 7 June 2021 (UTC)