User talk:Miniapolis/Archives/2025/October
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The Signpost: 2 October 2025
- News and notes: Larry Sanger returns with "Nine Theses on Wikipedia"; WMF publishes transparency report
This time "not merely negative".
- In the media: Extraordinary eruption of "EVIL" explained
Wickedpedia wrangles post-truth politics.
- Disinformation report: Emails from a paid editing client
Unexpected news!
- Discussion report: Sourcing, conduct, policy and LLMs: another 1,339 threads analyzed
Fifty hot topics from fourteen noticeboards.
- Community view: The pressing questions of the modern WWW, as seen from the Village Pump
Policy, politics, icons, captchas, and LLMs.
- Recent research: Is Wikipedia a merchant of (non-)doubt for glyphosate?; eight projects awarded Wikimedia Research Fund grants
And other recent publications.
- Opinion: Some disputes aren't worth it
When to walk away.
- Obituary: Michael Q. Schmidt
Rest in peace.
- Traffic report: Death, hear me call your name
Celebrities, deaths and software.
- Comix: A grand spectacle
All invited!
Regarding the Kratošija article
Hello Miniapolis,
Thank you very much for taking the time to review the Kratošija article. I would like to clarify that the text is not AI-generated. I personally wrote it, using published scientific sources. In fact, I am also the author of the article on Kratošija in Serbian Wikipedia, which I then adapted and expanded into English with additional references.
I am very open to copyediting suggestions that could help improve grammar, tone, or neutrality. Your guidance is much appreciated.
All the best, VitisArchivum (talk) 20:48, 30 September 2025 (UTC)
- You can add a link to the sr.wp article. Other editors have been waiting for copyedits at WP:GOCE/REQ; please list it there, and it will be copyedited. All the best, Miniapolis 00:52, 1 October 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot Miniapolis. I will do it.
- Hello Miniapolis,
- Thank you very much for your suggestions regarding the Kratošija article.
- I am still working on improvements, and I will certainly add the interlanguage link to the Serbian version, as you recommended.
- Regards,
- VitisArchivum (talk) 08:45, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
Administrators' newsletter – October 2025
News and updates for administrators from the past month (September 2025).

- After a motion, arbitration enforcement page protections no longer need to be logged in the AELOG. A bot now automatically posts protections at WP:AELOG/P. To facilitate this bot, protection summaries must include a link to the relevant CT page (e.g.
[[WP:CT/BLP]]), and you will receive talk page reminders if you forget to specify the contentious topic but otherwise indicate it is an AE action.
Request for copyedit: Draft:Kratošija
Hello Miniapolis,
I know you are one of the experienced coordinators of the Guild of Copy Editors, and I truly appreciate the time and dedication you give to improving articles on Wikipedia.
I would be very grateful if you could spare a moment to help with a copyedit of Draft:Kratošija. The draft was recently moved to draftspace with the explanation "language/grammar problems". All statements are supported by reliable references, so I kindly ask that the references not be altered — please leave them as they are. I only need help with grammar, clarity, and encyclopedic tone.
Thank you very much in advanced, for your time and kindness! VitisArchivum (talk) 10:00, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
- I see that the page has been returned to mainspace (thanks, Jonesey95, and I found two more dablinks :-)); you can list it for copyediting at WP:GOCE/REQ. I smell LLM use, however (puffery is generally a dead giveaway), and for that reason am concerned about your insistence on not touching the references; irrelevant or non-existent sources are other characteristics of LLMs, and violate WP's verifiability policy. I'm surprised that the page does not appear in any other-language Wikipedias. All the best, Miniapolis 18:39, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
- I did not examine the page for LLM output, but feel free to tag it as suspicious. Dead DOIs are sometimes an indicator, but I checked one by searching for the title, and I found it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:42, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, Jonesey95; I need to re-read WP:LLM to find out how to check, and will keep dead DOIs in mind. Joy, Earwig says that copyvio is "unlikely". All the best, Miniapolis 18:54, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Signs of AI writing is also a fun read, as long as it doesn't get you too depressed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:02, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, I took a quick look at it. IMO, AI is an oxymoron (with an emphasis on "moron" :-)). All the best, Miniapolis 19:10, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
- BTW, just to cross-reference a followup to this: User talk:Jonesey95#Request for copyedit: Draft:Kratošija. --Joy (talk) 11:18, 13 October 2025 (UTC)
- Yes, I took a quick look at it. IMO, AI is an oxymoron (with an emphasis on "moron" :-)). All the best, Miniapolis 19:10, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
- Wikipedia:Signs of AI writing is also a fun read, as long as it doesn't get you too depressed. – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:02, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
- Thanks, Jonesey95; I need to re-read WP:LLM to find out how to check, and will keep dead DOIs in mind. Joy, Earwig says that copyvio is "unlikely". All the best, Miniapolis 18:54, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
- I did not examine the page for LLM output, but feel free to tag it as suspicious. Dead DOIs are sometimes an indicator, but I checked one by searching for the title, and I found it. – Jonesey95 (talk) 18:42, 29 September 2025 (UTC)
The Signpost: 20 October 2025
- News and notes: Board shuffles, LLM blocks increase, IPs are going away
And the "Global Resource Distribution Committee" emerges.
- Special report: The election that isn't
Two shortlisted WMF Board candidates removed from the ballot.
- Interview: The BoT bump
Who was bumped and why?
- In the media: An incident at WikiConference North America; WMF reports AI-related traffic drop and explains Wikipedia to US conservatives
...while Musk prepares to launch "Grokipedia".
- Traffic report: One click after another
Serial-killer miniseries, deceased scientist, government shutdowns and Sandalwood hit "Kantara" crowd the tubes.
- Humour: Wikipedia pay rates
Don't get too excited before you read this.
Supreme state organ of power
Hi! Thank you for beginning the copyedit :) I just want to make clear to use the term organ over body, as in state organ (not state body). They do not mean exactly the same and it might bring confusion, I feel! Otherwise, great improvement to the lead! TheUzbek (talk) 17:41, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Okay, but I'm a native English speaker and have only seen "organ" (in the sense of a body) in communist terminology; it seems to be a translation issue, as you noted in the lead's explanatory footnote. Miniapolis 17:46, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- Indeed, organ is a communist term just like branch (as in government branch) is a liberal term. In the context of Marxist-Leninist political theory, the state is conceived of as an organism or a machine. Its various parts—the legislature, executive, judiciary, etc.—are seen as "organs" that perform specific functions for the whole body politic.The term comes from the German Staatsorgan and the Russian государственный орган (gosudarstvennyy organ), used by Marx, Engels, and Lenin. The metaphor of the state as a body with specialized organs is central.
- "Body" is a more general English word for an organization or group of people. In this sense, a "state body" is any organization that is part of the state apparatus. It lacks the specific theoretical and functional connotations of "organ." It doesn't evoke the same image of a specialized part of a larger, living organism. TheUzbek (talk) 18:16, 20 October 2025 (UTC)
- I'm not going to continue this copyedit. In English, acronyms take an indefinite article as if the letters were spoken (SSOP, ess-ess-oh-pee); that was why I changed "a" to "an". You're not a native English speaker, AFAIK, and I find it odd that you don't defer to someone who is. I make mistakes, but not this time. Miniapolis 19:55, 22 October 2025 (UTC)
Guide to temporary accounts
Hello, Miniapolis. This message is being sent to remind you of significant upcoming changes regarding logged-out editing.
Starting 4 November, logged-out editors will no longer have their IP address publicly displayed. Instead, they will have a temporary account (TA) associated with their edits. Users with some extended rights like administrators and CheckUsers, as well as users with the temporary account IP viewer (TAIV) user right will still be able to reveal temporary users' IP addresses and all contributions made by temporary accounts from a specific IP address or range.
How do temporary accounts work?
- When a logged-out user completes an edit or a logged action for the first time, a cookie will be set in this user's browser and a temporary account tied with this cookie will be automatically created for them. This account's name will follow the pattern:
~2025-12345-67(a tilde, year of creation, a number split into units of 5). - All subsequent actions by the temporary account user will be attributed to this username. The cookie will expire 90 days after its creation. As long as it exists, all edits made from this device will be attributed to this temporary account. It will be the same account even if the IP address changes, unless the user clears their cookies or uses a different device or web browser.
- A record of the IP address used at the time of each edit will be stored for 90 days after the edit. Users with the temporary account IP viewer (TAIV) user right will be able to see the underlying IP addresses.
- As a measure against vandalism, there are two limitations on the creation of temporary accounts:
- There has to be a minimum of 10 minutes between subsequent temporary account creations from the same IP (or /64 range in case of IPv6).
- There can be a maximum of 6 temporary accounts created from an IP (or /64 range) within a period of 24 hours.
Temporary account IP viewer user right
- Administrators may grant the temporary account IP viewer (TAIV) user right to non-administrators who meet the criteria for granting. Importantly, an editor must make an explicit request for the permission (e.g. at WP:PERM/TAIV)—administrators are not permitted to assign the right without a request.
- Administrators will automatically be able to see temporary account IP information once they have accepted the Access to Temporary Account IP Addresses Policy via Special:Preferences or via the onboarding dialog which comes up after temporary accounts are deployed.
Impact for administrators
- It will be possible to block many abusers by just blocking their temporary accounts. A blocked person won't be able to create new temporary accounts quickly if the admin selects the autoblock option.
- It will still be possible to block an IP address or IP range.
- Temporary accounts will not be retroactively applied to contributions made before the deployment. On Special:Contributions, you will be able to see existing IP user contributions, but not new contributions made by temporary accounts on that IP address. Instead, you should use Special:IPContributions for this (see a video about IPContributions in a gallery below).
Rules about IP information disclosure
- Publicizing an IP address gained through TAIV access is generally not allowed (e.g. ~2025-12345-67 previously edited as 192.0.2.1 or ~2025-12345-67's IP address is 192.0.2.1).
- Publicly linking a TA to another TA is allowed if "reasonably believed to be necessary". (e.g.
~2025-12345-67 and ~2025-12345-68 are likely the same person, so I am counting their reverts together toward 3RR
, but not Hey ~2025-12345-68, you did some good editing as ~2025-12345-67) - See Wikipedia:Temporary account IP viewer § What can and can't be said for more detailed guidelines.
Useful tools for patrollers
- It is possible to view if a user has opted-in to view temporary account IPs via the User Info card, available in Preferences → Appearance → Advanced options →
Enable the user info card
- This feature also makes it possible for anyone to see the approximate count of temporary accounts active on the same IP address range.
- Special:IPContributions allows viewing all edits and temporary accounts connected to a specific IP address or IP range.
- Similarly, Special:GlobalContributions supports global search for a given temporary account's activity.
- The auto-reveal feature (see video below) allows users with the right permissions to automatically reveal all IP addresses for a limited time window.
Videos
- How to use Special:IPContributions
- How automatic IP reveal works
- How to use IP Info
- How to use User Info
Further information and discussion
- For more information and discussion regarding this change, please see the announcement from the Wikimedia Foundation at Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF) § Temporary accounts rollout.
Most of this message was written by Mz7 (source). Thanks, 🎃 SGrabarczuk (WMF) (talk) 02:47, 31 October 2025 (UTC)