User talk:NativeForeigner/Archive 2
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Congrats, sort of but not really
... on your election to Arbcom! Ed [talk] [majestic titan] 04:28, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
- Thanks. :) NativeForeigner Talk 04:30, 18 December 2013 (UTC)
- Congrats also. Tumandokkangcabatuan (talk) 07:53, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
Possible review schedule
Hello NativeForeigner; My interest is in starting a review for an FA or GA medical article on Wikipedia which has not been reviewed in over 2 years. Would you have any interest in looking at a medical article for review? BillMoyers (talk) 14:42, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
- Potentially. You'd have to leave me details as well. NativeForeigner Talk 18:05, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
- Hello NativeForeigner; Thanks for getting back to me. The situation is that a group of articles dealing with medical pages in mental health and psychiatry are in need of being upgraded since the new major diagnostic manual "DSM-5" has been released earlier this year. I started with Page:Shizophrenia and posted the list of 15 needed upgrades and transition edits there on its Talk page. The 15 essential DSM-5 transition edits have been posted for about two weeks now and a recent flurry of activity has died down now without addressing the larger part of the essentially needed transition edits. It would be very helpful and useful if an experienced editor like yourself could help to start the FA review process (last done 3 yrs ago) to make sure that everything is done on the up-and-up. Does it sound interesting? BillMoyers (talk) 19:01, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
- You're probably better off with another user. I'm not super familiar with these processes, especially wilth medical articles. NativeForeigner Talk 18:42, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
- Hello NativeForeigner; Thanks for getting back to me. The situation is that a group of articles dealing with medical pages in mental health and psychiatry are in need of being upgraded since the new major diagnostic manual "DSM-5" has been released earlier this year. I started with Page:Shizophrenia and posted the list of 15 needed upgrades and transition edits there on its Talk page. The 15 essential DSM-5 transition edits have been posted for about two weeks now and a recent flurry of activity has died down now without addressing the larger part of the essentially needed transition edits. It would be very helpful and useful if an experienced editor like yourself could help to start the FA review process (last done 3 yrs ago) to make sure that everything is done on the up-and-up. Does it sound interesting? BillMoyers (talk) 19:01, 23 December 2013 (UTC)
- Message received. The strict medical article was tough and I see your point. I just completed an "action item" list for another much less strenuous FA page for "Major Depressive" and would make a similar appeal to you for it in initiating a review. This is more a compassion issue for wiki-readers since it has over one million suffers each year and would benefit from an up-to-date wiki page. This would be a learning experience for me also in terms of the processes, and I would be much more comfortable with someone looking at the 8 items alongside me strictly as a check-list. Your wikipedia experience is much higher than mine. If its possible let me know? BillMoyers (talk) 01:47, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
- You're probably best off looking at the applicable WikiProject. Look on the talk page of the article and post on the takl page asking if someone can go through it with you. NativeForeigner Talk 02:32, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
- Message received. The strict medical article was tough and I see your point. I just completed an "action item" list for another much less strenuous FA page for "Major Depressive" and would make a similar appeal to you for it in initiating a review. This is more a compassion issue for wiki-readers since it has over one million suffers each year and would benefit from an up-to-date wiki page. This would be a learning experience for me also in terms of the processes, and I would be much more comfortable with someone looking at the 8 items alongside me strictly as a check-list. Your wikipedia experience is much higher than mine. If its possible let me know? BillMoyers (talk) 01:47, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Sounds good. This is the list of Wikiprojects associated with "Major depressive";
WikiProject Psychology [show](Rated FA-class, Top-importa
WikiProject Neuroscience [show](Rated FA-class, High-importance)
WikiProject Medicine / Translation [show](Rated FA-class, Top-importance)
WikiProject History of Science [show](Rated FA-class, Mid-importance)
WikiProject Molecular and Cellular Biology [show](Rated FA-class, Low-importance)
WikiProject Death / Suicide [show](Rated FA-class, Low-importance)
WikiProject icon [show]Wikipedia Version 1.0 Editorial Team / v0.5
Since the Talk pages for the Psy articles are very, very low traffic pages, did you mean to list these on some kind of village pump somewhere? Given this list of wikiprojects, what is the best place to list it from your viewpoint? BillMoyers (talk) 12:18, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
- Try WT:MEDICINE NativeForeigner Talk 20:20, 27 December 2013 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Picker78/Archive#13 December 2013
SPI Work
Just as a general note I'm going to be heavily reducing the amount of SPI Work I do as I've been elected to arbcom, and that in itself is as very large commitment. If you have a query regarding a case I would be most familiar with, or have recently actioned, go ahead. If it is a more general question regarding SPI, I'd prefer you leave your query with one of our highly competent SPI Clerks. NativeForeigner Talk 17:48, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
User:BillMoyers
You left a message on his talk page at 2013-12-27T22:14:31, 23 and a half hours ago. He's made ten edits since then but it looks as though he hasn't acted on, or responded to, your message. @BillMoyers: —rybec 21:44, 28 December 2013 (UTC)
Welcome to the 2014 WikiCup!
Hello NativeForeigner, and welcome to the 2014 WikiCup! Your submission page can be found here. The competition will begin at midnight tonight (UTC). There have been a few small changes from last year; the rules can be read in full at Wikipedia:WikiCup/Scoring, and the page also includes a summary of changes. One important rule to remember is that only content on which you have completed significant work, and nominated, in 2014 is eligible for points in the competition- the judges will be checking! As ever, this year's competition includes some younger editors. If you are a younger editor, you are certainly welcome, but we have written an advice page at Wikipedia:WikiCup/Advice for younger editors for you. Please do take a look. Any questions should be directed to one of the judges, or left on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup. Signups will close at the end of January, and the first round will end on 26 February; the 64 highest scorers at that time will make it to round 2. Good luck! J Milburn (talk · contribs), The ed17 (talk · contribs) and Miyagawa (talk · contribs) 17:32, 31 December 2013 (UTC)
Pumpie Alert!
See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Pumpie. I caught another one! Given that it occurred again in less than a month I recommend considering pending changes and move protection. --Marianian(talk) 14:42, 24 December 2013 (UTC)
- And again: see same link as before. I recommend a ANI entry for the incident to try and find a long term solution. --Marianian(talk) 19:19, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
- You're much more familiar with him than I am. Would you mind posting on ANI? NativeForeigner Talk 19:20, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, I am pretty late to the Pumpie malarkey, albeit I have gained the ability to spot suspicious edits easily, such as naming conventions and relationship between the skill and the age of the account. I will ask Mark Arsten the same question because he might know more than me.
--Marianian(talk) 19:32, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
- Hi, I am pretty late to the Pumpie malarkey, albeit I have gained the ability to spot suspicious edits easily, such as naming conventions and relationship between the skill and the age of the account. I will ask Mark Arsten the same question because he might know more than me.
- You're much more familiar with him than I am. Would you mind posting on ANI? NativeForeigner Talk 19:20, 2 January 2014 (UTC)
DS review
I opened a discussion about whether or not to log alerts/notifications on the here. I'd be interested in hearing your views. Roger Davies talk 19:33, 7 January 2014 (UTC)
Re: Second diff at SPI
Diff provided. The suspected sock has edit warred on the article at least twice before within the past year (User:Caughtinmosh88 and User:Abomination85), in the same manner (no edit summaries), and dealing with the exact same topic (album sales figures). Mac Dreamstate (talk) 20:51, 9 January 2014 (UTC)
The Bugle: Issue XCIV, January 2014
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Dear oxymoron,
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| In the memorable words of NE Ent, thanks for being the best oxymoron on the English.Wikipedia! ;) ☺ · Salvidrim! · ✉ 18:12, 17 January 2014 (UTC) |
- Thanks :) Quite memorable indeed (and well played on your part) NativeForeigner Talk 18:17, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
HoshiNoKaabii2000 and TreCoolGuy
TCG claims that DrummerSP is not him and HNK claims that Unorginal is not him. I have been watching out on Hoshi for a while, but I only discovered Tre just now, they were also both blocked on 31 August 2013, this makes me wonder... TDFan2006 (talk) 21:44, 19 January 2014 (UTC)
- Could you please bring it to somebody else. I'm quite busy right now with a multitude of things, and don't have time to do it justice. NativeForeigner Talk 19:46, 22 January 2014 (UTC)
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Agreed
Thank you for "agreed"! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:29, 24 January 2014 (UTC)
- On the 28th: a blue duck attacks the German Main page, right now, - a homage, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:10, 28 January 2014 (UTC)
WikiCup 2014 January newsletter
The 2014 WikiCup is off to a flying start, with, at time of writing, 138 participants. The is the largest number of participants we have seen since 2010. If you are yet to join the competition, don't worry- the judges have agreed to keep the signups open for a few more days. By a wide margin, our current leader is newcomer
Godot13 (submissions), whose set of 14 featured pictures, the first FPs of the competition, was worth 490 points. Here are some more noteworthy scorers:
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12george1 (submissions) and
TropicalAnalystwx13 (submissions) were the first people to score, for the good article Tropical Storm Bret (1981) and its good article review respectively. 12george1 was also the first person to score in 2012 and 2013. -
Sven Manguard (submissions) scored the first ITN points for 2014 North American polar vortex. -
WonderBoy1998 (submissions) scored points for an early good topic, finishing off Wikipedia:Featured topics/She Wolf. -
TheAustinMan (submissions) scored the first bonus points of the competition, for his work on Typhoon Vera. -
Igordebraga (submissions) has scored the highest number of bonus points for a single article, for the high-importance Jurassic Park (film).
Featured articles, featured lists, featured topics and featured portals are yet to play a part in the competition. The judges have removed a number of submissions which were deemed ineligible. Typically, we aim to see work on a project, followed by a nomination, followed by promotion, this year. We apologise for any disappointment caused by our strict enforcement this year; we're aiming to keep the competition as fair as possible.
Wikipedians interested in friendly competition may be interested to take part in The Core Contest; unlike the WikiCup, The Core Contest is not about audited content, but, like the WikiCup, it is about article improvement; specifically, The Core Contest is about contribution to some of Wikipedia's most important article. Of course, any work done for The Core Contest, if it leads to a DYK, GA or FA, can earn WikiCup points.
If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email), The ed17 (talk • email) and Miyagawa (talk • email) 19:54, 1 February 2014 (UTC)
Message on DS review page
Hello NativeForeigner,
I've left the message below the DS Review page , and hope you and all the other arbitrators will take a look and leave a note indicating that you've looked at the discussion of the important issues with DS, with indefinite bans, and with the phrase 'broadly construed' which have been raised throughout that page. NinaGreen (talk) 22:03, 2 February 2014 (UTC)
Two arbitrators, AGK and Roger Davies, have added occasional comments to this page concerning the significant changes which have been suggested here, all of which are quick, easy and effective fixes which would (1) drastically reduce arbitrator and administrator workload; (2) permit the reduction in the incredibly high number of administrators (1400), as a result of (1), and allow for the elimination, almost entirely, of WP:AE; (3) improve Wikipedia's public image; (4) improve the general atmosphere on Wikipedia, making it more collegial and far less adversarial; (5) significantly improve editor retention. However are the other 13 arbitrators at all aware of these suggestions? The lack of any comments from them in this review suggests they may not be. Could the other arbitrators just drop a note here to indicate that they are aware of the suggestions? Obviously change can never take place if the people who can effect if aren't aware of the problems which have been identified in this discussion and the suggestions which have been made for fixing them.
FYI
A proposal has been made to create a Live Feed to enhance the processing of Articles for Creation and Drafts. See Wikipedia:WikiProject Articles for creation/RfC to create a 'Special:NewDraftsFeed' system. Your comments are welcome. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 06:21, 4 February 2014 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
| The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar | |
| I just opened Recent changes for a routine patrol and surprise! I see half the page is filled with you blocking numerous spambots in seconds ;) Job well done! That's what one calls a Defender of the Wiki :) -TheGeneralUser (talk) 22:41, 4 February 2014 (UTC) |
- Thanks! NativeForeigner Talk 19:51, 6 February 2014 (UTC)
User:Jajadelera3
Still cleaning up after this account. Just wondering, when you block s.o. for hoaxing, why not revert the hoaxes? — kwami (talk) 06:02, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
- I generally try to when I notice it. I'm not sure why I didn't in that case, I'm sorry for not having caught it. NativeForeigner Talk 06:22, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Comment placed on Roger Davies' Talk page
I've placed the comment below on Roger Davies' Talk page under the heading 'Correction to collapsed discussion' and am copying it here because the point is obviously one of vital concern to all arbitrators. NinaGreen (talk) 18:49, 12 February 2014 (UTC)
Roger,
Could you please correct this comment you made at :
This is your fourth edit since you were asked to back off yesterday. Whatever benefit there might have been in your contributions has been lost in the - to put it mildly - freeranging nature and inquisitorial tone of your comments. You have singlehandedly provided about half the commentary over the last month, sometimes derailing discussions, stopping others in their tracks, and contributing greatly to bloat. Please now step right back.
Your statement is inaccurate. I made only a single comment after I was told my comments were unwelcome by AGK yesterday, and that comment was made in reply to a question asked of me by Robert McClenon. Can another editor no longer ask me a question, and receive a reply? The four 'edits' were merely 'fixes' to that single comment, as is obvious from the edit history. Please correct that inaccuracy by removing your statement which implies that I made four separate comments after being told my comments were unwelcome, and which fails to recognize the fact that I was replying to a question asked of me by Robert McClenon. Your statements that I have 'derailed discussions' or 'stopped others in their tracks' are also both inaccurate. I have never done that, nor have you provided an example of either. I have merely raised questions, and in almost every single case an administrator, either you, AGK, or Salvio has abruptly shut down any discussion of the questions I have raised. The questions I've raised are valid ones. Perhaps they seem 'inquisitorial' to you and to other administrators because you are committed to discretionary sanctions and you cannot look at them from the point of view of the vast majority of Wikipedia editors who find DS strange, unjust, and harmful to the project.
Also your own comments which you later added to that section directly contradict the information provided to me by Robert McClenon, so why has Salvio been permitted to collapse the discussion with the comment 'Asked and answered' when the question obviously hasn't been answered? You state unequivocally earlier in the discussion that I was the only one ('one notable exception') who didn't understand the difference between the powers exercised by administrators in DS and in non-DS situations, and Salvio rudely told me that my question had been answered before, and that I was exhibiting 'supine ignorance'. The discussion now shows I was clearly not the only one who didn't understand the difference, since your later comment completely contradicts the explanation of the difference given by Robert McClenon. It is not healthy for Wikipedia when even an experienced editor like Robert McClenon obviously doesn't understand the difference between the powers, and when you have to tell Robert that his explanation is completely wrong, and when no Wikipedia editor can find anywhere on Wikipedia a clear difference and distinction between the powers. The only way to fix this is to set out on the DS project page a clear explanation of the difference between the powers of arbitrators, the powers of administrators in DS situations, and the power of administrators in non-DS situations. At present the differences are completely blurred, and no Wikipedia editor has access to a clear statement of what an administrator is actually authorized to do in DS situations as opposed to non-DS situations, or how the powers of administrators differ from those of arbitrators. Robert McClenon stated that administrators in DS-sitations have been given 'arbitrator-like powers'. By what authority has this happened, since administrators were not elected to be arbitrators? This blurring of powers, the refusal to clearly set out for the benefit of all Wikipedia editors the differences between the powers exercised by arbitrators, administrators in DS situations and administrators in non-DS situations, and the handing over of arbitrators' powers to administrators who were never elected to exercise such powers is not healthy for Wikipedia, nor is it healthy for Wikipedia for you, AGK and Salvio to shut down discussion of such a vital point. Nor is it healthy for Wikipedia for you to shut it down on the basis of an inaccurate statement about my comments (see above).
Since you dealt with this before
Could you take a look at this? New suspected account, the same phrases, sources, arguments, sentences etc. --MyMoloboaccount (talk) 22:35, 18 February 2014 (UTC)
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Chace Watson
Don't know if you've seen my email yet, but I started a cu.wiki page for him: here. INeverCry 18:24, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
- Yeah, I just saw it. I'll look into fleshing it out. NativeForeigner Talk 18:25, 26 February 2014 (UTC)
User:Qjahid
Greetings,
Should i leave a note under Qjahid's entry in the AfD discussion that this user was confirmed to be a sockpuppet of Usaeedi and was blocked? Fitzcarmalan (talk) 21:37, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
- Or should i best wait for an admin to do so? Fitzcarmalan (talk) 21:43, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
- Feel free to do so, link to the spi. NativeForeigner Talk 21:54, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
One last thing,
Am i authorized to add the sockpuppet headnote on Qjahid's user page? Because i'd still prefer an admin like you to perform these tasks, not me. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 22:25, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
- I'll take care of it. NativeForeigner Talk 23:07, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks and i apologize if i kept bothering you about this. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 23:30, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
- No problem, I"ve been busy as of late but this really wasn't a big deal :) NativeForeigner Talk 00:06, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
- Thanks and i apologize if i kept bothering you about this. Fitzcarmalan (talk) 23:30, 27 February 2014 (UTC)
Requesting rangeblock
I am writing to you for two reasons. 1. You list yourself as willing to perform rangeblocks and 2. your involvement, about ten months ago, in a sockpuppet investigation into 089baby (talk · contribs). (See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/089baby/Archive), as I feel a rangeblock is necessary for containing his sockpuppetry. Recently he has taken to IP hopping, using registered accounts only for creating articles. All the IP's he's used are in the 36.27.0.0/16 range, with the third number ranging from 192 to 203.
As evidence, I point to the timeline of account usage. From 6 November to 4 January, 9 different accounts of his blocked were blocked in as many weeks, and then he stopped all of a sudden. Assuming I haven't missed any, the next sock wasn't registered until a month later. From 10 January onward, there was dramatic increase in edits to articles frequently edited by 089baby from IP's in the range in question, there having been only around 20 edits to article on Cambodian football (his subject of interest) in all of 2013. Add to that the fact that the only edits made by the two most recent socks Kakalara (talk · contribs) and Nevercare12345 (talk · contribs) were to create the same five articles, with all other edits to these article, except some routine maintenance, coming from IP's in the range.
I have already posted on the Administrators' noticeboard about this, but the post has gone unanswered for two days. Additionally, I have also contacted @Reaper Eternal: and @Someguy1221: who both also have some involvement in this case. Thank you in advance. Sir Sputnik (talk) 08:03, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
WikiCup 2014 February newsletter
And so ends the most competitive first round we have ever seen, with 38 points required to qualify for round 2. Last year, 19 points secured a place; before that, 11 (2012) or 8 (2011) were enough. This is both a blessing and a curse. While it shows the vigourous good health of the competition, it also means that we have already lost many worthy competitors. Our top three scorers were:
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Godot13 (submissions), a WikiCup newcomer whose high-quality scans of rare banknotes represent an unusual, interesting and valuable contribution to Wikipedia. Most of Godot's points this round have come from a large set of pictures used in Treasury Note (1890–91). -
Adam Cuerden (submissions), a WikiCup veteran and a finalist last year, Adam is also a featured picture specialist, focusing on the restoration of historical images. This month's promotions have included a carefully restored set of artist William Russell Flint's work. -
WikiRedactor (submissions), another WikiCup newcomer. WikiRedactor has claimed points for good article reviews and good articles relating to pop music, many of which were awarded bonus points. Articles include Sky Ferreira, Hannah Montana 2: Meet Miley Cyrus and "Wrecking Ball" (Miley Cyrus song).
Other competitors of note include:
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Hahc21 (submissions), who helped take Thirty Flights of Loving through good article candidates and featured article candidates, claiming the first first featured article of the competition. -
Prism (submissions), who claimed the first featured list of the competition with Natalia Kills discography. -
Cwmhiraeth (submissions), who takes the title of the contributor awarded the highest bonus point multiplier (resulting in the highest scoring article) of the competition so far. Her high-importance salamander, now a good article, scored 108 points.
After such a competitive first round, expect the second round to also be fiercely fought. Remember that any content promoted after the end of round 1 but before the start of round 2 can be claimed in round 2, but please do not update your submission page until March (UTC). Invitations for collaborative writing efforts or any other discussion of potentially interesting work is always welcome on the WikiCup talk page. Remember, if two or more WikiCup competitors have done significant work on an article, all can claim points equally.
If you are concerned that your nomination—whether it is at good article candidates, a featured process, or anywhere else—will not receive the necessary reviews, please list it on Wikipedia:WikiCup/Reviews. If you want to help out with the WikiCup, please do your bit to help keep down the review backlogs! Questions are welcome on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup, and the judges are reachable on their talk pages or by email. Good luck! If you wish to start or stop receiving this newsletter, please feel free to add or remove yourself from Wikipedia:WikiCup/Newsletter/Send. J Milburn (talk • email), The ed17 (talk • email) and Miyagawa (talk • email) 00:01, 1 March 2014 (UTC)
New proposal
To a member of the AC, I urge you to read this that I wrote.
There's been support for Snowden because people are against spying. In Wikipedia, checkusers are spying all the time. Wikipedians who hate other wikipedians sometimes try to falsely brand them as socks and get the checkuser to spy on them....or they just accuse. This poisonous environment got me to stop editing Wikipedia years ago. I thought I'd finally say something.
The key may be for a bunch of people to be considered "wise editors" for a term of a few months. There, they can try to get people to compromise and talk. Wikipedia is not a vote but editors try to make it a vote all the time.
Help make WP a better place and not a spy agency and poisonous den. ComingBackAgain (talk) 01:55, 5 March 2014 (UTC)





