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Hello,

You recently speedy deleted this before I had the chance to oppose it. I would like to recreate this because it has additional sources than the deleted version. Please let me know if I can post it again. You can review it and if you don't think it qualifies, you can nominate to AFD so the community can make a decision. Originalflavors (talk) 20:10, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

I recommend working in draft space and using the WP:AFC process. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 23:03, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

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@ONUnicorn: Hello there,

Back in 2020 you protected the above page on the grounds of "disruptive editing." Is an unprotection of that page possible? The page has gotten only around 5000 pageviews last year and has received minimal editing since the protection was applied. Also the user who was causing the disruption has been blocked.

Sincerely, MrCleanAd (talk) 16:36, 4 October 2025 (UTC)

Unprotected. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 16:23, 5 October 2025 (UTC)

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Regarding repeated A7 nominations for Onion.run

Thank you for previously declining the A7 speedy deletion for Onion.run. It seems that someone has again nominated the article under A7, despite it already having a proper deletion discussion in progress here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Onion.run I’ve also added multiple reliable sources now to support the article’s notability. Since Onion.run is an open-source project, it meets the general criteria for inclusion. Could you please take a look into this matter again? Appreciate your time and help. Best regards, Bech07 (talk) Bech07 (talk) 09:00, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

I do not see where anyone re-added the speedy after I declined it and suggested AFD. However, I do see where you removed the AFD template and added an inapplicable protection template. I also see where you attempted to close the AFD prematurely.
The point of an AFD is to have an extended discussion lasting no less than 7 days about the appropriateness of the topic for inclusion in Wikipedia. The best way to fight for the article to be kept is by ensuring that it is well sourced to multiple reliable sources (read the definition) that are independant of the company. Also, you need to not just describe what the website does but also "also describe the site in an encyclopedic manner, offering detail on a website's achievements, impact or historical significance". See WP:WEB. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 13:53, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

Janakpur Bolts

When you moved the article Janakpur Bolts break the article protection that was necessary from this repeated re-creation. I have started a new AFD on this article, as it still isn't notable which is why there was a create protection in the first place- to avoid this repeated recreation. Joseph2302 (talk) 19:38, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for starting the new AFD. I agree it needs one. As far as the create protection, it had already been recreated at the other title. It's better to have a discussion with it at the correct title. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 20:00, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

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You deleted Draft:Lucky Likhari

I thought I remembered an SPI being involved, but can you look at Draft:Lucky Likhari punjabi singer, because I can't find anything. Happy Editing -- IAmChaos 00:45, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

Looks like I deleted Draft:Lucky Likhari and Jimfbleak deleted Draft:Lucky Likhari punjabi singer. Oddly, it looks like at some point after the pages were deleted, they were also oversighted. I do not have access to the suppression log so I cannot see who performed that, and from what I remember of the contents of the deleted page, I don't remember seeing anything that I would expect to need to be oversighted. I don't see any active Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations, but I don't tend to hang around SPI much and could easily have missed one. The oversight strikes me as odd and I'm sure there's more going on here than I'm aware of. Sorry I can't be of more help. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 16:29, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
IAm, I'm in the same position as ONUnicorn. I can't see any November edits, and I have no idea who oversighted or for what reason. Jimfbleak - talk to me? 16:37, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
Thanks to both of y'all for responding quickly. If they were oversighted, I suppose that the functionaries are aware of anything happening, and can deal with that! Happy Editing -- IAmChaos 17:36, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

Concern regarding User:ONUnicorn/sandbox

Information icon Hello, ONUnicorn. This is a bot-delivered message letting you know that User:ONUnicorn/sandbox, a page you created, has not been edited in at least five months. Drafts that have not been edited for six months may be deleted, so if you wish to retain the page, please edit it again or request that it be moved to your userspace.

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Thank you for your submission to Wikipedia. FireflyBot (talk) 02:02, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

I wonder what triggered the bot to deliver this? My sandbox is not a draft article, and hasn't been tagged with an AFC template. It also is already in my user space.
User sandboxes are intended to be a space for editors to experiment with editing functions, and I've long thought it misguided that we are encouraging people to use them to draft articles rather than experiment, play, and learn to use the wiki software on something that isn't reader facing. I routinely decline CSDs for "test pages" when the page in question is a sandbox.
Right now my sandbox contains the admin dashboard as well as transclusions of several other pages that often have backlogs that need permissions that I have - I look at it when I'm looking for something to do. But in the past I've used it to experiment with tables, templates, formatting, etc.
I've no intention not desire to change anything on it right now, nor to move it elsewhere as I like the convenient access of the link at the top of the screen.
I wonder if I ignore this if it will get tagged for G13? If someone would delete it or see that the bot tagged in error? I can easily undelete it myself if that does happen, so I think I'll just wait and see what happens... ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 05:48, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
Huh. Between 21:01 and 21:07 the bot tagged User sandboxes and subpages of 11 admins or former admins who all were all using the page in question in a similar manner to the way I'm using my sandbox. Most had {{admin dashboard}}, or something similar, and several also transcluded other backlog feeds and pages. Interesting. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 06:07, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

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Baharwa

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One of my colleagues, "the same person," has nominated the article Baharwa for deletion again, and I do not know why. I kindly request that this deletion template be removed, as the article should not be deleted for the following reasons:

The term "Baharwa" is mentioned in the "Egyptian Arabic" article, which is related to Egypt, specifically in the Spoken varieties section and in the context of traditional regional divisions: people of the north are called Baharwa, and those of the south are called Sa‘ayda. This term has been present in the article for several years; for example, it appears in the 2018 version specifically in the Spoken varieties section https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Egyptian%20Arabic&oldid=864220151, and it was also present in earlier versions. This shows that the term has long been in use within Wikipedia.

In addition, there is a dedicated article about Baharwa on Egyptian Wikipedia, which further demonstrates that the term is recognized and used.

The Baharwa article on English Wikipedia aims to provide more detailed information about this regional/demographic group.

For these reasons, the article should not be deleted. Leviackermman (talk) 19:54, 16 December 2025 (UTC)

This is the link to the Baharwa article on Egyptian Wikipedia :
https://arz.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%87 Leviackermman (talk) 20:04, 16 December 2025 (UTC)
@Leviackermman Ok, I see yours is a fairly new account so you may not be familiar with the different deletion processes we use here at Wikipedia. There are 3 of them.
  • Speedy deletion is what the page was initially nominated for. This method of deletion is intended for only the most obvious cases, such as blatant vandalism, advertisements, etc. where no reasonable person with a passing familiarity with what Wikipedia is could argue in good faith that the content should not be deleted. There are very strict criteria as to what can and cannot be deleted using the speedy method. I declined that because it did not fit the criteria.
  • PROD or proposed deletion, is intended for pages that don't fit the speedy criteria but which are never-the-less uncontroversial deletion candidates. It's a slower process, taking a full week, and it is designed to be easy to prevent deletion under that process as anyone can remove the tag. It's not applicable to the article in question here, but I'm talking about it for the sake of completeness.
  • Articles for Deletion (usually abbreviated AFD) is what the article is currently nominated as. It is a 7 day discussion intended for pages which are less obvious, or where there is disagreement as to if they should be deleted or not. Sgh45 was well within their right to nominate it for AFD once I had declined the speedy. There is a special page Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Baharwa, where discussion will run for a minimum of 7 days. Anyone is free to comment and give their thoughts on why it should or should not be deleted. At the end of 7 days a different admin - not me - will review the discussion to see if any consensus has developed regarding the article's fate. If there is a consensus, then the article will either be kept or deleted. If there is no consensus the discussion may continue for another 7 days.
I would encourage you to leave a statement at the AFD page, explaining why you think the article should be kept and citing sources. Also, feel free to continue working on the article while the AFD is ongoing. It often happens that articles that improve significantly during the course of the AFD are kept, even if there are lots of early comments advocating deletion. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 20:13, 16 December 2025 (UTC)
Do you expect it to be deleted? Leviackermman (talk) 20:17, 16 December 2025 (UTC)
It is way too soon to know. When I declined the original speedy I did some light google searches to see if it is a valid English term for the people of lower Egypt. What I saw lead me to believe it is one of at least 3 occasionally used translations of بحاروة, and that it is possible one of the others may be used more. However, I cannot read Arabic, and am not familiar enough with the subject matter to be able to be confident in saying that it is or is not the most common spelling in English. One advantage of the AFD process is that it tends to attract more eyes from people with subject-specific knowledge who can better interpret sources and especially in a case like this where we're dealing with translation issues. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 20:28, 16 December 2025 (UTC)
The article already exists on Egyptian Wikipedia on this topic, so it should not be deleted here. It is also mentioned in other articles related to Egypt on English Wikipedia. I think the deletion discussion is pointless. I kindly ask you to remove this template, as I do not know what the colleague who nominated it for deletion wants. Leviackermman (talk) 20:34, 16 December 2025 (UTC)
I can not and will not remove the template. The discussion will be allowed to run its course. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 21:56, 16 December 2025 (UTC)
The term "Baharwa" was mentioned by Kamel El-Wazir, the Egyptian Minister.
How can this term not exist ?
in this link :
https://www.shorouknews.com/mobile/news/view.aspx?cdate=05092020&id=6f906233-14f9-4f7f-8a1b-a7c38d04431c&fbclid=IwY2xjawF50ERleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHX8BCH78NknaJXBfEUn3-Xhv1kXkd9u-Swofh47O-POdwX6ikWPChXKZ6w_aem_Tdz8F95mEiThaSqYKVxPaA
I know you are not fluent in Arabic, so I will translate the news into English for you, and you can also access the news yourself and translate it using any translation program.
Kamel El-Wazir: We do not differentiate between Sa‘idi and Baharwi, and our trains serve all Egyptians. Leviackermman (talk) 22:17, 16 December 2025 (UTC)
I am not the one you should be making arguments to. You should be making these arguments on the discussion page. Moreover, the question isn't if بحاروة exists, it's if the correct translation into English for بحاروة is Bawara or Bahariya or something else. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 22:29, 16 December 2025 (UTC)
The colleague who submitted the deletion request claims that the term does not exist at all, and I have proven to you that it does exist. So, the discussion is effectively over, and I have written the reasons on the discussion page.
I believe the deletion template should be removed from the page because keeping it will just waste our time for nothing. Leviackermman (talk) 22:32, 16 December 2025 (UTC)
That is not how the process works. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 22:38, 16 December 2025 (UTC)
Baharwa have had an article on Egyptian Wikipedia for a long time.
Therefore, any claim that the term “Baharwa” does not exist is meaningless.
This is the link to the Baharwa article on Egyptian Wikipedia :
https://arz.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%A7%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%87 Leviackermman (talk) 03:30, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
Again, I am not who you need to convince. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 03:38, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
I want to ask you a question:
What is the likelihood of the article being deleted? I don’t know much about Wikipedia. Leviackermman (talk) 03:41, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
Many articles are kept if there are sufficient sources to show they meet the notability criteria. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 03:44, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
Does the article meet the criteria now or not ? Leviackermman (talk) 03:49, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
Nothing is going to happen for a week. I am not judge, jury, or executioner. Don't panic. Wait for other people to respond in the discussion. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 04:09, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
The colleague who nominated the article for deletion tried to delete it a few hours ago on Egyptian Wikipedia, but his request was completely rejected, the page was even protected, and he was blocked from Egyptian Wikipedia because of his actions.
I don’t know if he is personalizing the issue or what.
The term is well-known and popular. Leviackermman (talk) 04:14, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
looking at the article as it currently stands, you cite a book, The Nile Delta: Histories from Antiquity to the Modern Period, but you don't provide a page number. On what pages in that book are Baharwa discussed? ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 04:25, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
https://m.youm7.com/story/2014/11/12/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%AA%D9%81%D8%B1%D9%82%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D9%82%D8%AD%D8%A9-%D8%A8%D9%8A%D9%86-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B5%D8%B9%D9%8A%D8%AF-%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%88%D8%AC%D9%87-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%B1%D9%89/1948180
The Youm7 article categorizes Egyptians into four groups: residents of Cairo ('major cities'), residents of the Nile Delta, residents of border governorates, and residents of Upper Egypt. The article mentions Beheira as an example of a Delta governorate and Sohag as an example of Upper Egypt. It then uses the terms 'Baharwa' and 'Sa‘aida' to refer to Delta (Lower Egypt) and Upper Egypt residents, respectively, showing that these terms represent recognized demographic groups. Leviackermman (talk) 04:35, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
That does not answer my question. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 04:37, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
I honestly don’t remember which page it appears on, but it is mentioned, and the terms “Baharwa” and “people of the Nile Delta” are used interchangeably Leviackermman (talk) 04:43, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

Baharwa article

During the discussion, one person admitted that the term Baharwa is indeed used to refer to the inhabitants of the Nile Delta, and incidentally, he is a friend of the person who submitted the deletion request. I do not understand how the existence of the term can be denied at all—this is truly absurd.

I want to inform you that the deletion requester did this for very personal reasons. The evidence is that yesterday he went to the Egyptian Wikipedia to the Baharwa article there (“click on the word Baharwa and you will find the article yourself”). That editor went there, nominated it for deletion, and placed a deletion template on it, which resulted in him being blocked and the page being protected because of his actions.

For him, this issue is personal. Denying the existence of the Baharwa in Egypt is like denying the existence of the English people in the United Kingdom.

I ask for your support to keep the page. Leviackermman (talk) 19:26, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

The article needs to cite sources that use the term in the way you are saying it is used. At present, it does not. I can cast a !vote just like any other editor, but I will not do that if I am not convinced that notability has been established. Work on the article sourcing first, worry about the AFD later, once sources are cited in the article to support the article content. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 19:37, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
https://menbareltahrir.com/%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%B4%D8%A7%D8%B9%D8%B1-%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%AD%D8%AB-%D8%AF%D8%B1%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%B4-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A3%D8%B3%D9%8A%D9%88%D8%B7%D9%8A-%D9%8A%D9%83%D8%AA%D8%A8%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D9%87%D8%AC%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D8%A8%D8%AD%D8%B1%D8%A7%D9%88%D9%8A%D8%A9
This is an article about the Baharwa dialect, and it states that the Baharwa are the inhabitants of Lower Egypt. I have added this source to the article and to the language section. Leviackermman (talk) 20:08, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
https://www.bayut.com/mybayut/ar/%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%84%D9%87%D8%AC%D8%A9-%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D8%B5%D8%B1%D9%8A%D8%A9/
This is a source and an unambiguous definition that discusses the Baharwa dialect and also defines who the Baharwa are. It states that they are rural Egyptians who live in northern Egypt, which is exactly what I included in their definition: that they inhabit Lower Egypt, excluding the major urban centers such as Cairo and Alexandria. Leviackermman (talk) 20:12, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

The article has been improved.

The article has been improved, the definition has been made more accurate, and better sources have been added. What do you think now ? Leviackermman (talk) 21:01, 17 December 2025 (UTC)

Somewhat improved, but there are still issues.
  • I've added several {{Unreferenced section}} tags for sections that are entirely unreferenced.
  • "تعليق صوتي المصرية البحاروة (الفلاحين) - التعليق الصوتي". سونديلز (in Arabic). Retrieved 2025-12-17. - This source, while when I have a machine translate it, does use the term Bahrawi, does not seem to fit the definition of a reliable source. It appears to be an advertisement for a company that does voiceover work. It also does not support the sentence it is appended to. You stuck it after a sentence which says, "Baharwa (Arabic: بحاروة) are the rural Egyptian people who live in Lower Egypt (Northern Egypt)." The source goes on to describe "the Egyptian dialect of "Bahrawi" (peasant)" which is "spoken by Egyptian farmers and those living in the north of the country." So while it indicates that the languge is spoken in the north of the country, it does not indicate that the people are known by that term. Thus it does not support the content, even if it were a RS.
  • "معدة "البحاروة" تهضم "الحباش" و"أم الخلول" وتحلى بـ"القطايف والكنافة وقمر الدين" .. "صور"". - I'm not entirely sure how to categorize this website - Is it a news site? Or a personal blog? Does it have editorial control? A reputation for fact checking and accuracy? Those are what makes something RS or not RS. But it also does not seem to support the content you are citing it for. It's discussing foods that are served by "The people of Baharwa", which to me indicates that Baharwa is a place, but does not indicate it is a word for an ethnic group that lives in that place. Again, I am using machine translation to try to read this source, so I may not be correctly understanding it. You may be able to use this source if you incorporate a section on the cuisine of these people, but again I'm not sure if the source is reliable or not. But at present you are not using it in a way that supports the content of the article.
  • Codingest (2025-02-04). "الشاعر والباحث درويش الأسيوطي يكتب:اللهجة البحراوية". منبر التحرير (in Arabic). Retrieved 2025-12-17. - Again, I'm not sure if this website meets RS standards. I like that this at least sort of supports the content you are citing it for. It talks about the "distinct dialect within the Coptic script of ancient Egyptian, known as the "Bahrawi script."" and it goes into great detail about how it differs from other dialects and scripts. But at least in the machine translation I am looking at, it alternates between calling it Bahrawi and Beheira, which is a problem I have been running into since I started looking into this article - which of these terms is the most common way to refer to this concept in English? Is it Bahrawi and Beheira? Are they the same or different? Where should the article on this linguistic variation and/or the people who speak it be located? Are these two different words in the original language? If not, why are machine translations rendering it to English differently? These are topics the article should probably address.
  • "اللهجة المصرية: أصل اللهجة المصرية، أنواعها، كلمات بالمصريه | ماي بيوت". مدونة تشمل مواضيع تتعلق بالعقارات و أنماط الحياة المختلفة في الإمارات | ماي بيوت (in Arabic). Retrieved 2025-12-17. - This last source talks about the various dialects spoken in Egypt. It has very little to say specifically about the Baharwi dialect, but it does mention it. But again, your article uses the word to refer to " the rural Egyptian people who live in Lower Egypt (Northern Egypt)", and this source is not discussing that.
In short, you have not presented any reliable sources that support your assertion that the word Baharwa is used to refer to "the rural Egyptian people who live in Lower Egypt (Northern Egypt)". That's what needs to be your starting point. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 23:05, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
To be honest with you, my friend, I don’t know how to find sources, but believe me, everything written in the article is correct.
Honestly, I am very tired. This colleague who submitted the deletion request hates the people of the Delta and does not want them to have an article on Wikipedia for personal reasons that I don’t know.
The article exists on Egyptian Wikipedia. Can you go to Egyptian Wikipedia and ask the admin there about the term and who the Baharwa are, and they will tell you everything?
I just don’t know how to find sources; that doesn’t mean what I am saying is wrong.
My friend, can you help me?
I want you to go to Egyptian Wikipedia yourself and ask the admin there.
I don’t think an article like this should be deleted on English Wikipedia because it is about an important and large part of the Egyptian people. Leviackermman (talk) 23:25, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
The ability to read sources and assess their reliability is one of the fundamental competencies that are required in order to write an article here. You seem to have gone about writing this article backwards - you wrote what you wanted to say and are looking for sources to support what you've already written, rather than gathering sources about your topic and using them to build the article.
If you are tired, rest. Come back to this later. Find sources first, then write the article. If this version gets deleted, fine, it's just words on the internet. Once you find sources, come back, start a draft in draft space, and build the article slowly over time. It's like building a house, if there is a firm foundation rooted in good quality sources, it will survive a deletion attempt. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 23:38, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
Does your proposal mean deleting the article?
I did not fully understand what you are saying because I don’t have enough experience with Wikipedia.
Also, the people of northern Egypt do not have any other name besides "Baharwa."
What I understood is that you are suggesting leaving the article so it can be improved and better sources added, and I agree with this, of course keeping the name. Leviackermman (talk) 22:53, 19 December 2025 (UTC)
My proposal is to move it to WP:Draft space. It's not deletion. It's a place to work on articles that aren't quite ready for the main encyclopedia. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 00:57, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
And when can I move it back to the main page, and on what basis can it be restored ? Leviackermman (talk) 00:59, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
Is the only issue with the Baharwa article the sources, or are there other problems as well ?
If I provide a source about them on the host, even just one source, will this solve all the article's problems? Leviackermman (talk) 01:07, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
Issues with articles almost always boil down to sources - lack of sources, sources that don't match the article content, poor quality sources. One of the main pillars of Wikipedia is Verifiability. What we say on Wikipedia MUST be verifiable - in other words readers need to be able to fact check our work. They can't do that if we don't cite sources to show where we got our information.
So yes, the problem with Baharwa is sources. ~ ONUnicorn(Talk|Contribs)problem solving 15:15, 20 December 2025 (UTC)
I suggest leaving the article to develop, and in the near future better sources will be added.
It has been proven that they are a real group and that they are indeed called Baharwa, despite claims that they are a fabricated or non-existent group.
Therefore, an article about them is necessary, and I will work on improving it over time, but it should remain on the main page. Leviackermman (talk) 15:37, 20 December 2025 (UTC)

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Hi ONUnicorn
Season's Greetings and all the best for 2026
Wherever you are and whatever you believe in (or don't), reach out for peace on this little planet of ours!
HAPPY HOLIDAYS 🥳
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