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Hey there, you wrote the article for Zacharias Ferrari. I noticed someone else wrote an article for Zacharias Ferreri a year earlier. They are clearly the same person, perhaps you could merge the two pages? Omegastar (talk) 02:43, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

Good catch. Thanks! Done.Patapsco913 (talk) 14:38, 4 August 2018 (UTC)

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Dear Patapsco913, I see you have fixed hundreds of articles that I had in my to-do list for replacing - with – in timeranges in your bishop articles. Do you think you covered it all, or you would like me to check any particular chunk of articles? Thanks! --ExperiencedArticleFixer (talk) 06:11, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Hi EXP. I think I got to all of them that you sent over.Patapsco913 (talk) 08:05, 19 August 2018 (UTC)

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I see religion as private (if you follow one). That is why I took it out first place. The policy for info boxes is to leave it out. The parameter was explicitly deleted from the template, like ethnicity.

Please note that in 2016, the |religion= and |ethnicity= parameters were removed from Infobox person as a result of the RfC: Religion in biographical infoboxes and the RfC: Ethnicity in infoboxes as clarified by this discussion.

Tlwm (talk) 13:59, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

• Well. She is a newscaster and like politicians and judges, their religion is relevant. The problem with religion in the infobox was because people were putting a subject's religion in without a citation so it was decided to only mention religion in the body with a reliable citation. Anyhow, it is standard practice to mention religion in all biographies.Patapsco913 (talk) 14:07, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

No, it is an individual decision how much or if your religion is relevant (in a biography!). Kate said numerous times, that she tries to be neutral. That is how she works. Our interest doesn't make it more relevant. She has the same rights of protection of her privacy like anyone. Tlwm (talk) 14:19, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

It is bad practice of the wikipedia to put that in, I think. That is my personal opinion. Tlwm (talk) 14:20, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

This is what is the real policy. I heard her one time wishing a rabbi a happy new Jewish year, but that is not a public self identification. That is a general act of politeness. She doesn't wear religious signs, either. And she also works on Fridays. Tlwm (talk) 14:31, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

• Well if you know her and are editing the page, I suggest that you disclose that on the talk page per policy.

Answer: No war. Also I will not pressure her into one or another direction. I do not write on her article to push or pull her in some kind of direction. I know, that she takes her job serious and loves it. And I like her approach of staying neutral and giving anyone a voice (as long it not completely gets out of hand by Trump filibustering, for example).

• A cursory look at the Washington Hebrew Congregation suggests that it is a reform congregation and reform Jews work on Fridays; and most Jews do not wear outward signs of religiosity (like most Christians or Zoroastrians or Buddhists or Hindus).

Answer: I know, still she does not talked about it by herself. It is a source who speaks About her.

• Anyhow, the policy refers to "categorization." I have no problem with you removing it until we have a better source.

Answer: The categorization has been done before by someone else. What else is it? Religion intrudes all aspects of life from birth to death. It's like being part of a soccer fan club. I also can not speak for her husband. It isn't that easy.

• But think of this, was Einstein a Jew...well not religiously but ethnically...is that not relevant?

Answer: For his work in Physics, no. Not at all. Physics is not about god. Physics describe nature.

• Is Wolf Blitzer a Jew, yes...both religiously and ethnically and he is a strong supporter of Israel...is that not relevant?

Answer: Yes he is, but he isn't Kate Bolduan. But, he also (like Kate Bolduan) supports an open discussion. Also on actual Israeli and/or Jewish politics. Benjamin Netanjahu tries to make Israel a synonym for being Jewish. That is one reason, why he is heavy critized by many others (Jews and non Jews, Israelis and non Israelis).

• The president of Nigeria is a Muslim...is that not relevant?...and he is a Sufi as well.

Answer: What does that say about him? This is a categorization.

• Is Brett Kavanaugh a Catholic...yes...is that not relevant?

Answer: Primary he seams to like to rub himself on women who do not appreciate that. I was born and raised catholic, too. Never believed in god and can not stand Kavanaugh at all (even before this scandals, because he is a justification "machine" for Trump and takes part in the destruction of checks and balances in the US).

• Now is Richard Gere a Buddhist? Yes...relevant...maybe not.

Answer: I think he would agree.

• But we mention birthdays, high school jobs, parents, spouses...all sorts of things that are not relevant but as a whole, they complete a biography. Otherwise, we may as well go to her linked in page and scuttle the entire project.

Answer: Religion is culture, an invention of humans and individual. I did not say that it is unimportant. I actually do not know how or if it is important to her. She also has two daughters. Maybe they do disagree with her moms views (I am pretty sure, they will do one day). I write her bio, not mine.

Questions: Patapsco913 (talk) 14:53, 24 September 2018 (UTC) 
Answers: Tlwm (talk) 18:07, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

• • Well...you should be arguing your case elsewhere. I think, that one's religious beliefs are foundational to their worldview and it would be silly to exclude them from a biography (which this is) if we have a reliable source. The source used was not reliable. If you don't get why it is important for the biography of the president of Nigeria to note that he is both Muslim and a Sufi then maybe the German education system needs a reboot. The way you spoke about Kavanaugh surely seems to indicate that you are not an unbiased wiki-editor, nay? Religion is much more than culture (maybe read the entry on religion). If we eliminate everything that one thinks is unimportant, we have nothing. Why do you think this is important "She is left-handed but plays all sports with her right hand. She loves ketchup, cereals and can waterski barefoot" Did you disclose on the talk page that you have a conflict of interest? Also when you remove information you need to provide a comment. Some of your English is not comprehensible. Please respond in prose and do not edit my talk page with bullet points.Patapsco913 (talk) 19:43, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

I am a CNN viewer, not more, not less.Tlwm (talk) 21:01, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

I was responding in a enumeration of your questions. Tlwm (talk) 21:06, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Religion is personal. Tlwm (talk) 21:06, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

I do not eliminate anything. Tlwm (talk) 21:06, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Facts, my friend, facts. She loves ketchup. Tlwm (talk) 21:07, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

If you would leave out religion, you wouldn't have to refer to that specific situation in Nigeria.Tlwm (talk) 21:34, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Since I do not know her, I can not say if she see it maybe the same like you. You are telling me your opinion that religion is essential. Tlwm (talk) 21:34, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

From neutral point of view policy: objections and clarifications There's no such thing as objectivity. Everybody with any philosophical sophistication knows that we all have biases. So, how can we take the NPOV policy seriously? Tlwm (talk) 21:34, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Yes my English is shitty... Improve it :) Tlwm (talk) 21:34, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

Kavanaugh - yes, I shouldn't write in his biography. Tlwm (talk) 21:40, 24 September 2018 (UTC)

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You've been around long enough to know you need reliable sources for stuff like this. Toddst1 (talk) 15:57, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

I reverted your edit. It is cited under personal life for "Great Jewish Women"Patapsco913 (talk) 16:05, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

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