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MediaWiki message delivery 14:50, 14 October 2025 (UTC)

Happy First Edit Day! Hi Pigsonthewing! On behalf of the Birthday Committee, I'd like to wish you a very happy anniversary of the day you made your first edit and became a Wikipedian! CREditzWiki (Talk to me!!) 00:19, 16 October 2025 (UTC)

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Thank you for improving article quality in October! My latest: Roberta Alexander, - listen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:00, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

I hope this message found you well I got all the newspapers source for M.G Hkh but l don’t know how to create a page só am requesting for a volunteer to write a page for me 77.246.52.37 (talk) 04:25, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

Hello Pigsonthewing, I was referred to you for help with an issue involving the MetaZoo article. I have been trying to restore factual edits that were originally made by another editor, AnonymousBobTCG, who is not affiliated with MetaZoo. Their edits reflected accurate and verifiable information about the current ownership and publishing structure of the game. Specifically, the article should reflect that MetaTwo now owns the MetaZoo IP, including its previous assets and materials, and that GameQBator Labs is the current publisher. These details are supported by verifiable sources. Another user, Gaichuu, continues to revert these edits, labeling them as marketing or a conflict of interest, even though they restore sourced and factual content that aligns with current, verifiable information. Their version reintroduces outdated details about MetaZoo Games LLC, which has been defunct since before MetaTwo acquired the IP. I have opened a Request for Comment on the article’s Talk page to seek community input on how to keep the page unified but properly divided into its historical and current eras: 2020 to 2024 under MetaZoo Games LLC, and 2025 to present under GameQBator Labs. I would appreciate your guidance on how to proceed and how to ensure that verifiable, non-promotional information remains on the page without being repeatedly removed. My goal is to keep the article factual, neutral, and up to date while preserving its documented history. Thank you for your time and any advice you can offer. Antitroll2025 (talk) 14:23, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

I don't know who referred you to me, or why, but I left a reply to your comment on the Help Desk.

I suggest you follow the advice I gave there; particularly the final part. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:46, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your message. Can you check what is happening at the redirects request page please. Mine disappeared suddenly, I tried to fix that because it looked like an error, but I'm not sure if I should have done that, because they look like they are finished already. Maybe they were supposed to disappear? 2405:6E00:651:F5FC:D904:ED5:248C:FE9F (talk) 11:37, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

I see you have an open request at Wikipedia:Help desk#I decided to stop trying to fix it it and ask for help. I'm sure someone, more familiar with the redirects request page than I am, will assist you in due course. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:51, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

MediaWiki message delivery 19:28, 27 October 2025 (UTC)

A few times now I've been in the middle of writing a comment when you have one click archived a thread at The Teahouse. Please cease doing this for a few reasons:

1. Users may wish to contribute further to a thread and are prevented from doing so by the sudden archive.
2. Thread authors who are new to Wikipedia (and therefore, more likely to post at The Teahouse) may not understand the thread has been archived and be unable to find it, and might even think it has been deleted. This is a poor user experience.
3. Answered threads are a useful point of reference to other users: I learnt Wikipedia guideline and policy by lurking at the various help boards and reading through answered questions.
4. It presents that you have a sense of ownership over the Teahouse and it's threads especially as you archive threads you have not been involved in.
5. It makes archiving inconsistent, as most other boards archive on a time-basis whereas you archive them at random based off your own unknown criteria.
6. It spams up the Watchlist.

I have spoken to a couple of other Teahouse readers who have also noticed this issue.

Thanks for your cooperation @Pigsonthewing. qcne (talk) 16:29, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

If you think a thread is archived prematurely, you (or anyone acting in good faith) is free to unarchive it.

Several of your points are false, and/or without foundation. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 17:12, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

I think all your archiving is inappropriate, and reverting would be a colossal waste of my time. Stop manually archiving Teahouse threads for the 6 reasons I gave above. Doing so is disruptive. Pinging in @Polygnotus who has already asked you to stop doing this in September. qcne (talk) 17:26, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Then you are mistaken. I reiterate: Several of your points are false, and/or without foundation. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:33, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

I don't want to have to take this to ANI, so I am suggesting a compromise.

Only manually archive if the following criteria is met:

• you are involved in the discussion.
• the thread has been fundamentally answered with no further replies likely.
• 24 hours has passed since the last reply.

Please try that for a few weeks and see how you get on. qcne (talk) 18:38, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Please feel free to point to policies supporting any or all of these proposals; or to a discussion with consensus for them. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:39, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

This is one of those situations where one editor approaches another editor civilly about an issue. The editor that has been approached reacts poorly and is unwilling to compromise. (this is where we are now) It later ends up going to ANI or sometimes Arbcom and results in sanctions. All because someone asked you to not archive discussions and you're unwilling to let the sections sit until a bot automatically archives them? Please accept that if other editors are displeased with your clerking you should probably not do it, especially when it gets automatically done anyway. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 18:48, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

No consensus, then? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:51, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Seconding, the ask was appropriate and civil. Why a good faith editor would dismiss it so roughly is beyond me. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 18:54, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

The ask was not civil, and not made assuming good faith, and I have respectfully and in good faith disagreed with it. It was also comprised of several fallacious points.

Still no consensus? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:57, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

To an uninvolved party it appears civil and appears to assume good faith. You are asking me to extend you a massive benefit of the doubt while extending none to Qcne. Do you really think that you come off as respectfully and reasonable while they do not? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 19:03, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

I'm not asking you to do anything; I'm referring to their egregious implication of "ownership". Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 19:18, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

What about it is egregious? It is qualified and gives specific evidence. This is also the appropriate venue to raise such concerns. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 19:23, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

[ec] What on earth, for example, is the point of keeping a discussion like this one, where the OP has acknowledged the response, cluttering up the page for another week? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:55, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

This is more of what has been going on the last few days, tone policing. - Walter Ego 19:44, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Perhaps I should have just dismissively replied "Sure, qcne, sure" and "Thank you, qcne, for your always useful contributions", to the OP? That seems to be acceptable there. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:34, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing Just to confirm, you don't accept my suggestion as a compromise. Do you have a compromise you'd accept? So far we've got five editors who think your manual archiving isn't great for The Teahouse so it'd be good to come to a mutual agreeable resolution. qcne (talk) 09:46, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

I asked you to to point to policies supporting any or all of those proposals; or to a discussion with consensus for them.

That you have singularly failed, or been unable, to do.

My compromise would be to follow consensus, if or once they have been discussed in an appropriate forum. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:38, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Pigsonthewing. Consensus in this thread seems to be against you manually archiving Teahouse discussions. Would you be willing to offer a compromise so we can work to a mutual agreeable solution? qcne (talk) 15:40, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

"once they have been discussed in an appropriate forum" Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:40, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll look at making a thread at AN. qcne (talk) 15:45, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

I'm unclear why you would not do so (and indeed have not already done so) on Wikipedia talk:Teahouse, the page "for discussing how the Teahouse is run and operated".

But perhaps that way of working is no longer fashionable? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:54, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

That's a good idea, thank you. I simply hadn't thought of bringing it up there. qcne (talk) 15:56, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Here is a quick overview of highlights from the Wikimedia Foundation since our last issue on October 11. Please help translate.

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Thank you for your response to Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archive_73#Disambiguation_page_with_potential! Utfor (talk) 14:33, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

I am trying to write an article on List of Tayo the Little Bus characters. But, It is hard to find sources for each character. There are only few or no sources. Please help. I wrote the article myself as I have seen all episodes of Tayo. Draft:List of Tayo the Little Bus characters. TheGreatEditor024 (talk) 08:09, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

And please check this draft too. See if it is acceptable or not.

Draft:Eduard Rügemer. TheGreatEditor024 (talk) 08:11, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

Please follow the good advice you've been given at Wikipedia:Teahouse#draft. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:56, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

Sabarisan Vedamurthy#Endowment to Cambridge University: what other sort of gift is there?

@Pigsonthewing sources mentioned as 'Donation' but the value of donation is not publically disclosed anywhere.

https://www.philanthropy.cam.ac.uk/impact-of-giving/gift-announcements/major-donation-to-establish-research-scholarships-on-dravidian

https://www.hist.cam.ac.uk/news/major-donation-establish-research-scholarships-dravidian-history-politics-and-economics

Thank you. ArmeVijay (talk) 16:16, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

I have no idea what point you are trying to make. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:37, 2 November 2025 (UTC)