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Assertion of filibustering

I only responded to your comment at my deletion review because of your uncalled-for condescension. My actions, clumsy though they were, reflected a concern for the betterment of this encyclopaedia, and were entirely in good faith.

It was a needless slight to suggest that it was wasting time to hence pursue the deletion review process and to outline my case in the full detail I thought warranted.

You may have 200,000 contributions to your name but I have a decent amount too, enough for it to be clear that I am not a malicious editor and ought not to be treated like one.

I hope that you have sufficient humility to realise that the tone of your response did no good, and was not necessary. I was not personally asking for a second of your time, but what I wrote was intended for your benefit in case you decided to adjudicate on the matter.

As one editor noted following your assertion that I 'filibustered' the process, one is 'allowed to (civilly) reply to comments you disagree with - even if you are in a small minority or objectively wrong.'

Will Thorpe (talk) 06:02, 27 August 2025 (UTC)

Speedy deletion nomination of Draft:PUFFYFIED

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User:Justlettersandnumbers, User:Qcne - I am baffled. I have no record of having touched this page. Did the originator reuse a sandbox page that I had edited, and so it thought was mine? So did Twinkle fail to notify the actual author that their draft was tagged for being LLM-generated spam? Robert McClenon (talk) 23:39, 29 August 2025 (UTC)
Hi, Robert, how are you? I'm afraid the record often disappears when the page is deleted. You created this particular one when you moved a previous version of this to here, which was later moved to the title where I deleted it; you didn't edit the content. Regards, Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 09:58, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
Thank you, User:Justlettersandnumbers. Okay, this is just one more example of something being weirdly attributed to me. I did move a sandbox to Draft:Sunday Emili, and I had a record of that. I had no record of PUFFYFIED. That isn't one of the 7415 names that I have a record of having reviewed. So it appears that a draft that I had "touched" was then renamed/moved. It seemed like a weird occurrence because it was a weird occurrence. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:51, 30 August 2025 (UTC)
Bizarre. Sorry, @Robert McClenon. qcne (talk) 12:50, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Édouard Delamare-Deboutteville

Thank you for reviewing my draft. I understand that there is currently a redirect at the article title. I am fine with the redirect being deleted so that the draft can be moved to mainspace. I appreciate your help with the review and publication process. Cielbleu01 (talk) 09:00, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Uzair Jangda

Hi. I don't understand why you did what you did: it was clearly someone using Wikipedia as LinkedIn; they weren't trying to write an encyclopedic article on themselves. You moved it to draft space, then removed the speedy template (saying "not web hosting because this is submitted for AFC"--but you submitted it), then rejected it--so now it's going to sit there for what, six months, until some bot picks it up. I don't get the point. Drmies (talk) 15:02, 31 August 2025 (UTC)

User:Drmies - You and I evidently have different interpretations of U5 or of how draft space works. U5 is: Pages in userspace consisting of writings, information, discussions, or activities not closely related to Wikipedia's goals, where the owner has made few or no edits outside of user pages, except for plausible drafts and pages. The question is whether a spammy draft, tagged for AFC review, is a plausible draft. I think that it is, plausible but not acceptable. You may reasonably interpret that as implausible. I see no harm in having spam linger in draft space until the bot cleans it up, because that is what the bot is for. I acknowledge that either speedy deletion or six-month deletion would achieve the desired objective of deleting it in the course of time, and I acknowledge that I was changing the procedure for getting rid of it. I just didn't and don't think it was a U5, and that speedy deletion should not be used when there is doubt about whether the particular speedy category applies. We reasonably disagree as to how to get rid of it, and agree that it is crud. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:16, 31 August 2025 (UTC)
We do disagree, but I'm kind of struck by what looks to me like a passive construction that made it sound as if you weren't the agent of this procedure. Drmies (talk) 14:18, 2 September 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Celatoblatta vulgaris

Hi Robert McClenon. Ordinarily, TenshiBot would be letting you know about your review still being marked as ongoing for over 48 hours on Draft:Celatoblatta vulgaris, but it ran into an error, so it couldn't. (It should be back to normal soon once I figure out whats going on with it) Tenshi! (Talk page) 15:00, 4 September 2025 (UTC)

Regarding your message while closing The Bengal Files

Greetings Robert,

A request from my side ->


About this

  1. "Closing without prejudice as off to a bad start, and having the appearance of proxying for unqualified editors. Editors who are not extended-confirmed are not permitted to engage in discussion of South Asian contentious topics at project space noticeboards, and this is a project space noticeboard. "


2. "This filing began with a lengthy back-and-forth exchange, and back-and-forth exchanges are normally not permitted in DRN, and in particular are not permitted in DRN when the topic is contentious. A new case can be filed here, listing only extended-confirmed editors."

Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard

I did make it very clear that I was speaking on behalf of myself and myself alone in a polite manner.

Me asking to add another user and edit another user ID in the same post is not indicative of anything except overlooking these 2 things while making my Dispute request.

I am sure what else you want me to say in my defense.

I understand the 2nd part about back and forth (this is the first time I have logged a request on the DRN so I'm not sure of the full process)

But I request you to remove the first part from the message.


Regards

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My request on dispute resolution board was closed

@Robert McClenon: Hi as the title says, what am I supposed to do, the name of the article was Draft talk:Anuradhapura invasion of Chola Kingdom (114-136), I hope I can get a answer regarding the situation. Thanks TeenX808 (talk) 03:35, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

User:TeenX800 - The motto that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia that anyone can edit is incorrect. There are restrictions on its editing, and one of the restrictions is that new editors may not edit articles about Indian military history. You may either submit a properly formatted edit request on the talk page, or you may leave the article alone and edit something else. You may not edit that article, and you may not use noticeboards to discuss the editing of that article. This is an unfortunate but necessary restriction. You may ask about restrictions on editing at the Teahouse, and they will restate what I have just stated. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:16, 15 September 2025 (UTC)
@Robert McClenon: This specific draft was supposed to be published but this specific user WP:Stalking my account and privately messaged the draft reviewing admin to decline my article even though it has pretty much good support from strong sources, yes I understand what you are saying but this isn’t a edit but to publish a new article even when admin was about to accept it, I really hope you can solve this situation as in this a different situation from making edit request, of course I will stay away until I’m a extended user.ThanksTeenX808 (talk) 05:50, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
No, User:TeenX800, your draft should not have been published, because it is in the area of Indian military history, which is limited to extended-confirmed editors. I am not sure that I understand what your complaint is against the other editor, and I know that I do not understand what situation you are asking me to resolve. If you have questions about editing procedures, I will again advise you to ask at the Teahouse, but they will restate what I have said about the contentious topic of Indian military history. I have given you notice of the contentious topic. Please leave the area alone and edit in some other area. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:29, 16 September 2025 (UTC)
@Robert McClenon: understood, after I get extended user confirmation will I be able to edit.Thanks and I will make sure to keep close contactsTeenX808 (talk) 04:45, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

DRN

Hi, I've been considering helping out at there for some time due to the backlogs - I don't want you to be the only one that's handling it. Do you happen to have any advice? Thanks. ~delta (talkcont) 15:35, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, User:~delta. Please go ahead and take the next case that is available, meaning that two editors have made statements. It is not important whether you handle the dispute in the same way as I normally handle a dispute. Maybe the Parasnath dispute might open up, or something else. Welcome. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:05, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Draft: Tropical Storm Nongfa

This draft hopefully if ready should be an article now so when ready. Hypercyclone 2 (talk) 13:15, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

DRN: New Perspective on Paul discussion

May I ask is the DRN request still valid? Or do I have to resubmit before I notify the another two editors? Thank you. - MainBody (talk) 19:52, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

User:MainBody - The case has not been closed. If you provide a human-written summary of the dispute and notify the other editors, we can conduct moderated discussion. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:45, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

Question about dispute resolution and COI

Hi, I don't know who else to ask! Is it possible for an editor who has declared a COI on an article to take part in a discussion at the dispute resolution noticeboard? My motivation in asking is that I've got tangled up in a bust-up between two editors over the Burlakov case article. I think they'd benefit enormously from a firmly-mediated dispute resolution since they're starting poles apart and with some ill-will. But one has a declared COI. Elemimele (talk) 21:30, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

User:Elemimele - I will answer your question as two questions, one general and one specific. The general question is whether an editor who has a declared COI can take part in a case at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard. The specific question is whether disputes over the Burlakov case can be discussed at the Dispute Resolution Noticeboard. The answer to the first question is yes. An editor with a declared COI should not be directly editing the article, but I see no reason why they should not take part in discussion at DRN, where the moderator is neutral and the discussion is transparent and in the open. The answer to the second question is no. DRN does not handle any dispute that is also being considered in another content forum or a conduct forum, and the Burlakov case is being discussed at WP:ANI (because you reported it there). I will also be posting at WP:ANI. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:49, 21 September 2025 (UTC)
Thanks, that's really helpful, and useful general knowledge for me for the future. My dream outcome for the ANI is that the two editors can sort out their behavioural dispute so they can move forward and concentrate on content. At that future stage, I do think DR might be a good tool for them, but I see your additional point that they need to decide what to do about the merger first. It's not an easy situation. Elemimele (talk) 10:04, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

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JioStar

Please give your consensus result and take action on Splitting discussion on Disney Star talk page. Ajitsinghbhagat (talk) 05:56, 20 August 2025 (UTC)

User:Ajitsinghbhagat - In Wikipedia, there is no deadline. Why are you in a hurry to close this discussion after 48 hours? Robert McClenon (talk) 17:49, 20 August 2025 (UTC)
Okay, no problem Ajitsinghbhagat (talk) 01:43, 21 August 2025 (UTC)
Now,Disney Star's page should move to JioStar It is notable now, I added few articles with refrences you can check out post merger articles. Ajitsinghbhagat (talk) 08:32, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

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@Robert McClenon: What's the point of (positively) reviewing this article? Several users (including me) have pointed out that the article has no chance to survive, yet it seems you just ignored those comments. Renerpho (talk) 16:31, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

I’m finally a extended user

@Robert McClenon: I finally became a extended user can I now file about the issue regarding the - Draft talk:Anuradhapura invasion of Chola Kingdom (114-136).Thanks TeenX808 (talk) 05:56, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

Re:adminship

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Anout AFC Ajax in international football

Hello,

May I ask the details of the result about the page AFC Ajax in international football? The case seems to be closed in Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard but the user still keeps playing with the content of the page and I cannot reach him/her.

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Where should goat droppings be stored?

Well composted they will do the roses a lot of good!

We need more goats. Most days I feel it is just me. It's quite a challenge! 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 18:16, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

More goat droppings

A goat

User:Polygnotus/Scripts/SourceTable3.js then go to an AfD, click edit. An "Assess Sources" button should appear next to the page title. If you close the popup by generating the code you can re-open it and continue where you were. Work in progress. Polygnotus (talk) 13:26, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, User:Polygnotus. There are a variety of tools to prepare a source assessment table. I put the assessment notes in an Excel spreadsheet and then use the Excel-to-wikitable tool. I plan to continue to use it, and I know that other editors will use other techniques. I think that the ruminant can eat overly lengthy discussions. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:02, 2 November 2025 (UTC)

thank you for fixing my mistake!

I accidentally mixed up the two from the three letter acronyms and it was completely my fault, thank you for helping!! ConeKota (talk) 19:01, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

User:ConeKota - These things (slightly wrong forum) sometimes happen. I thought you would want it moved to the right place. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:21, 5 November 2025 (UTC)

approve my wiki

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The now defunct DRN and an apology

I hope now you understand what I was trying to get at... No matter how hard we tried at DRN this editor was just going to end up sabotaging it if it wasn't going their way (which it wasn't, they didn't want a RfC they wanted DRN to say that they were 100% right and nothing else). I have general confidence in you and DRN, but neither your or DRN can pickle this particular cucumber. I apologize that I came across as a particularly prickly cucumber vine myself, you do good work at DRN and I was too short with you as a result of my frustration with this endless cycle of bludgeoning and escalation. Horse Eye's Back (talk) 23:01, 7 November 2025 (UTC)

User:Horse Eye's Back - Thank you. I am not sure whether to say that I accept your apology or that an apology is not necessary. After several decades of involvement in complex discussions, I know that occasionally it takes a while to see where or who the problem is. Robert McClenon (talk) 23:16, 7 November 2025 (UTC)

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Hi there,

I wanted to appeal your rejection of my draft submission the other day. It appears there may have been some misunderstandings that I need to clear up:

1. While Yakuza Kiwami 3 and Dark Ties are referred to as separate games, they are only sold as one combined game, thus I made this article intending for both games to share. The separate links to each game will be edited later to redirect to this page specifically, as I do not intend to make separate articles for each game.

2. Regarding the reasoning of the page being "too soon", I also don't see how it is too early to make the article for the games, seeing as they release in 3 months from now. Another game, Resident Evil Requiem, also releases in the same month, and has already had an article published, so I fail to see how this reasoning applies to Kiwami 3/DT. If there is something I'm missing here, please clarify. The boss 1904 (talk) 09:41, 9 November 2025 (UTC)

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@Robert McClenon Greetings! I'm not allowed to file a case at WP:DRN? You reverted my case but without explanation how my case was insufficient?. I have discussed matter on article talk page also on user's talk page before coming to DRN. Please elaborate how my case was not suitable or what was missing. Email Khan hazzarvi (talk) 10:10, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
@Robert McClenon I don't understand how this was improperly filed? I missed the diff link I need to attach diff links of talk page discussions? Where I discussed the matter but was not solved? Email Khan hazzarvi (talk) 10:12, 10 November 2025 (UTC)
User:Email Khan hazzarv - I will explain this here, since you are blanking your user talk page, which is not helpful. There was one main problem with your filing, and lesser problems. As to the main problem, look at the DRN page. Do you see a heading Do you need assistance? and a large blue button Request dispute resolution? Many (not all) noticeboards have such a button. If there is such a button, it is the proper way to file a case. As to the secondary issues, because you tried to reuse an old case as the new case, you gave the case a state date in October 2025. That immediately alerted me that something was wrong. Also, you didn't notify the other editors of the filing. So, if you want to file a DRN case, press the blue button and enter the information. Then notify the other editors that you have filed the case. Be ready for me to ask you exactly what words you want to change in the article. If a noticeboard has a button to file a case, use the button. That's what it's for. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:14, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

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Greetings, Mr. Robert McClenon. It's me, Protector. Sorry to disturb you, but I'd like to open up the dispute about the snowy owl main images. Can you help to open up a RFC for this? Currently, image 1 being the owl with duck and image 2 being the adult male. I'd like to make a suggestion: adult male as image 1 and owl with duck as image 2. Just to follow the examples of certain articles of animals where image one is male. Protector100 (talk) 08:43, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Excuse me, sir. Are you there? Protector100 (talk) 14:33, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, sir. I am not available till 16 November. I'll wait for your reply by then. See you soon. Protector100 (talk) 14:53, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

User:Protector100 - Yes, I am here, and I will respond within 36 hours. Do not perform cleanup on my user talk page. Removing messages from your own talk page is not helpful, but removing misplaced messages from my user talk page is troublesome. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:18, 10 November 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, sir. Because the other user misplaced their messages under my messages, and I don't know how to place them. I will try to remember that. Sorry for the trouble I caused. Protector100 (talk) 04:36, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Sir, I'll get back to you by 16 November. Protector100 (talk) 13:17, 11 November 2025 (UTC)

Ah, sir. So, how's it going? Protector100 (talk) 08:14, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

Sir, about the opening of RFC, well? Protector100 (talk) 14:34, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

User:Protector100 - It is not helpful to ask me again a second time immediately after a previous notification. I am not always in front of my computer, and might by asleep. Are the images in question at Snowy owl? Robert McClenon (talk) 15:31, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
User:Protector100 - Have you tried discussing on the article talk page? I will, at my convenience, prepare an RFC, but I will only launch it after there has been discussion. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:41, 16 November 2025 (UTC)
Ad nauseum I am afraid. This issue was settled. Robert, you assisted us in brokering an agreement at the end of May which Protector100 broke shortly thereafter on June 17. I reverted the edit and posted in the Snowy Owl talk page that if there were any issues with the lead image that it should be discussed on the talk page. You can review my talk page Talk under the headings "Please do revert yourself" "Image" from our last dispute and under "Suggestion" for the resumption of the dispute.
Protector100 conceded that he broke the agreement and that he was preoccupied by other things at the time he made the agreement. Furthermore at this point the new objection is merely the order of the images 1 and 2, not the removal and replacement of the lead image with a new one.
You'll also see that there was an edit war at one point and I had to explain WP:3R on their user talk page, which was blanked afterwards.
I don't believe opening a dispute resolution will be fruitful. I request that the original agreement be enforced and if other users feel the images should be changed, let them open a discussion in the Snowy Owl talk page. We've all put sufficient time into this. I suggest stare decisis. Needsmoreritalin (talk) 04:34, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

Yes sir. I already started a new topic about the lead images at the talk page. Yes, it's about the current lead images of snowy owl. Protector100 (talk) 02:50, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

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User:Protector100 - I said that there should be discussion on the article talk page, Talk:Snowy Owl, if you want an RFC. Stating that you are about to launch an RFC is not discussion. My first question for you is why you think that it is important to have an RFC on the arrangement of the images. Is there a reason why it will affect the quality of the encyclopedia? Also, it is my understanding that you and User:Needsmoreritalin had reached an agreement, so I closed the discussion. What do you think that the agreement was? Robert McClenon (talk) 05:14, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
User:Needsmoreritalin - It was my understanding, which is stated in the DRN archive, that you and User:Protector100 had reached an agreement, so I closed the DRN. What did you think was the agreement? Robert McClenon (talk) 05:14, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
Yes. The issue was resolved. And User:protector100 is not being entirely honest.
We finalized our agreement on my talk page on May 30 and May 31, 2025 -- you can verify this by visiting my page, but here is the account:
Okay, I'll go by your decision. The adult male and owl with duck as lead images. I have a suggestion, the adult male in captivity as image 1 and owl with duck as image 2. But if it really means that much to you, then owl with duck as image 1 and adult male as image 2. You decide. This will be settled without Rfc then. Protector100 (talk) 14:41, 30 May 2025 (UTC)
Thank you for this compromise. I will make the changes. Needsmoreritalin (talk) 18:19, 31 May 2025 (UTC)
I made the edits and created and created Talk:Snowy_owl#Lead_image_compromise
On June 17, User:protector100 made an edit to change the order of the images. I reverted that change on July 29. three months later this appears on my talk page: User_talk:Needsmoreritalin#Suggestion
This editor should be made aware of the 5 Pillars. This is not the only page where they have caused disruptions. With all due respect the comments and opinions come across as domineering.
Archived Talk Page
I responded a few minutes ago to Talk:Snowy_owl#Planning_to_launch_a_RFC_on_lead_image_arrangement to clarify why the image of the female / Subadult is statistically more likely to represent a bird seen in the wild by an individual. Furthermore, a simple google image search will yield far more results of birds with black barring than the mostly white, adult males. And Unless you visit the high arctic, you’ll mainly be looking for Snowy Owls during winter in wide-open areas such as fields and shorelines. It is younger birds pushing further south that are seen in these locations.Needsmoreritalin (talk) 16:12, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
Before I proceed any further, I would like to know whether the two of you think that you reached an agreement. If there was an agreement, it should not be changed without a reason. I don't want to open a new DRN unless there is a good reason. I also don't want to see this go to WP:ANI. So I want to know what each of you thinks was agreed, and whether there is a reason to change the agreement. Robert McClenon (talk) 05:14, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
I agree wholeheartedly which is why I have mentioned stare decisis. The decision was made, let it stand. I have already provided the receipts. Needsmoreritalin (talk) 21:54, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

Answer for the first question: Last time in May, you said something about the RFC, sir. Like this: Just answer the question by the moderator as to whether that is the scope of the dispute. If that is the scope of the issue, then a Request for Comments will be used to choose between the current one image and the proposed two images. So I think RFC will be used for the image decision. Also for the agreement, I made the offer by giving suggestion that image one be adult male and image two be subadult/adult female. But the other user went on without my suggestion. I only agreed that the adult male and the owl with duck as lead images. I did not even agree that the owl with duck as image 1. Protector100 (talk) 06:31, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

That is false. He said "But if it really means that much to you, then owl with duck as image 1 and adult male as image 2. You decide. " I made the edits. Its also important to know that that was the only lead image from August 3, 2024 until March 4, 2025 when User:Protector100 began making his edits. Needsmoreritalin (talk) 16:28, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
I am closing this discussion for two reasons. First, I haven't seen an explanation of why an RFC to change the order of the two photographs is in order. I don't see an explanation either that a previous agreement should be changed or that a previous agreement has not been followed. This doesn't meant that there isn't a reason, but I haven't seen it. Second, I made a mistake in asking questions on my user talk page, because I am getting repeated email notifications that there have been posts to my user talk page. So discuss on the article talk page, Talk:Snowy Owl. A request may be filed at DRN, because there has been sufficient lengthy inconclusive discussion. However, participation at DRN is voluntary, and Needsmoreritalin may decline to take part in DRN. So discuss at the article talk page, Talk:Snowy Owl, or report disruptive editing to WP:ANI after reading the boomerang essay. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:16, 18 November 2025 (UTC)
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I am grateful. I was concerned that, as a private school, it failed to satisfy our more rigorous current school criteria 🇵🇸🇺🇦 FiddleTimtrent FaddleTalk to me 🇺🇦🇵🇸 08:36, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

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I didn't check. I'm so sorry, thank you so much for the time and consideration. Apologies. Have a good day! And, sorry, liberal chat is a help chat for Wikipedia editors. Red Aviation (talk) 23:20, 4 December 2025 (UTC)
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