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@Diannaa: Thank you for telling me! Forgot to do, and the article was temporarily deleted anyway (until another user reverted the edits) but thanks again for reminding me! Won't forget next time :) The Account 2 (talk) 21:41, 25 August 2022 (UTC)

Hi @The Account 2: Great article. I like these visual articles. I reviewed your article per WP:NPP page review. When you create a table based article with one summary article in every row, you need to add a reference in that row. There is usually notes column that has the reference. Can you please add a reference per line. It would be great to see. You also don't need the "himself" thing. Every where you a himself replace with full referencing to confirms he was leader. Hope that helps. scope_creep^Talk 14:15, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Hi @Scope creep:, thanks! However, I must say that I didn't create the table, but merely imported it from the original Liberal Democratic Party (Japan) article. I'll consider adding sources to it though, and oh, thanks for welcoming me to Wikipedia! The Account 2 (talk) 14:29, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

Thats great. The two references that are on it are insufficient to keep it out of draft, but since you updating it with refs it can stay there. scope_creep^Talk 14:46, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

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There seem to be some problems on the List of countries by GDP (nominal) per capita and List of countries by GDP (PPP) per capita pages. A user called Groverlynn wishes to drastically alter the format of these articles & refuses to have the latest IMF data, for this year, shown -- insisting it is wrong & only previous years should be used instead... other users have objected to these changes, but to no avail. Perhaps someone can intervene?

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Hi

I read you're "Common prosperity" article; very good! But I feel that you're misrepresenting what Deng Xiaoping actually said. Deng never said that "who redefined the term by saying that common prosperity meant that some could get rich before others"... Deng said that common prosperity was only viable if the country was advanced economically. That is, for common prosperity to be viable, some people needed to get rich first.

Communism and Mao are against egalitarianism. It is correct that his policies have been accused of egalitarianism after his death, but Mao did not support egalitarianism. He supported common prosperity because I thought China could advance such societal relations.

See .. I would at, the very least, include Deng's quote "letting some people get rich first and help others to get rich later". One should also note that common prosperity is according to the CPC something to be achieved, not something they have. It's an ideological goal - a goal on the way to communism. Tha's why he says: "The greatest superiority of socialism is that it enables all the people to prosper, and common prosperity is the essence of socialism".

These are my suggestions, but it would make the article better and more correct.

Other than that: great article! I was surprised to see such a topic being nominated for GA. Great work! TheUzbek (talk) 08:51, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! Will edit. The Account 2 (talk) 18:46, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

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Hello! Saw the changelog, no problem. All I had done was make neutral that one portion (two sentences in the lede) when they were replicated/moved up from the body. My submission must have occurred between edits, because in retrospect I see how other changes were overwritten. You seemed to have noticed my intention and corrected it, accordingly. Looks good, thank you for your work on it! Top5a (talk) 02:02, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

Oh it's ok don't worry about it, and thanks a lot! :) The Account 2 (talk) 08:15, 14 March 2023 (UTC)

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Given your knowledge and expertise on related topics, you might see that propaganda in China is out-of-date and could use some of your help. Thanks! - Amigao (talk) 19:58, 1 March 2023 (UTC)

@Amigao: Thanks! I will look (a bit busy to make large-scale changes right now but I'll do it as soon as I have the time). By the way, something that may be of your interest since you write about these topics; an article published by Ming Pao, citing sources, said that the CCP is considering creating a "Central Internal Affairs Commission" that will report directly to the CCP Central Committee during the upcoming session of the National People's Congress. Additionally, the Ministry of Public Security and the Ministry of State Security will apparently be transferred from the State Council to this new Commission. The article also says the Commission will be chaired by Wang Xiaohong. Seems like a major change to the Chinese security apparatus. The Account 2 (talk) 18:08, 2 March 2023 (UTC)

Good work with common prosperity and thanks for the help with propaganda in China. Could also use your good eye on elections in China when you have some time. - Amigao (talk) 23:14, 12 March 2023 (UTC)

Thanks! Will check. The Account 2 (talk) 17:26, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

I noticed that the below (the reference links are included on the articles) keeps getting removed from Propaganda in China and Censorship of Wikipedia. Any thoughts?

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Hmmm, I think the longer part may be more appropriate in the Censorship of Wikipedia article, where it is already mentioned right now it seems. I would also support a shorter version in the Propaganda of China article, though it needs to be trimmed at it doesn't seem like such a critical example considering the long history of propaganda in modern China. Also, welcome to Wikipedia! The Account 2 (talk) 19:20, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

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Thanks for adding the template "Infobox Central Committee outline" to the article Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam! I've made some changes to it, and modelled it on the versions on the Presidency of the League of Communists of Yugoslavia, the Central Committee of the League of Communists of Yugoslavia, the 12th Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam and the 12th Politburo of the Communist Party of Vietnam. I hope you approve of my changes. TheUzbek (talk) 08:01, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

Yes, ut's very useful template due to the unique status of communist parties. Also, great job you did with all the Communist Party related pages! Many of the membership lists look much better now. The Account 2 (talk) 10:34, 24 October 2023 (UTC)

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Since you seem to want to remove outdated material from the China article, how about you update the GDP table? The 2022 GDP number has come in and the one on the table is not that number, meaning that the table is outdated.

The article also needs more recent material on the nasty economic news recently out of China, from the real estate collapse, to derisking, to increasing levels of pollution, to an emerging banking crisis from at least $1 trillion in now unpayable real estate debt. 108.26.243.70 (talk) 20:09, 18 December 2023 (UTC)

You might find this SCMP article interesting. Amigao (talk) 02:55, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

Thanks, will look at it. The Account 2 (talk) 09:58, 19 December 2023 (UTC)

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	Awarded to you for your contributions on Christmas Day, because apparently you also have nothing better to do over the holidays than edit Wikipedia! Yue🌙 10:06, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Merry Christmas to you too, Yue (talk · contribs)! And yeah, I'm definitely going to take a brief holiday these days. 😂 The Account 2 (talk) 11:07, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

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Hello, Diannaa (talk · contribs), what can I do to adding avoid copyrighted material? The information I added was a rough translation of a work published by the Chinese Communist Party. The translation, however, did match the China Media Project translation pretty closely. Are translations protected by copyright as well? Thanks, and sorry if I caused any trouble. The Account 2 (talk) 19:00, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

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Ok, thanks a lot! Will take care to not add such material from now on. The Account 2 (talk) 16:10, 26 December 2023 (UTC)

I think the December 1991 agreement between the two Koreas should be listed in the Establishment section of the infobox because it is an important document of Korea to establish the foundation of relations between the two Koreas, I think this document is more important than the Panmunjom Declaration. Perhaps we also need to mention this document in the main section of the article. https://ko.wikisource.org/wiki/%EB%82%A8%EB%B6%81%EC%82%AC%EC%9D%B4%EC%9D%98_%ED%99%94%ED%95%B4%EC%99%80_%EB%B6%88%EA%B0%80%EC%B9%A8_%EB%B0%8F_%EA%B5%90%EB%A5%98%C2%B7%ED%98%91%EB%A0%A5%EC%97%90_%EA%B4%80%ED%95%9C_%ED%95%A9%EC%9D%98%EC%84%9C Newwikinguser (talk) 14:26, 4 January 2024 (UTC)

I find a reliable source: https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1991/12/13/two-koreas-pledge-to-end-aggression/d104ab96-1a85-4024-8b61-bf9e43d779eb/

Also this: https://2001-2009.state.gov/t/ac/rls/or/2004/31012.htm

And this: https://www.nytimes.com/1991/12/13/world/koreas-sign-pact-renouncing-force-in-a-step-to-unity.html Newwikinguser (talk) 12:31, 5 January 2024 (UTC)

@The Account 2: You removed a detail on Korea which has been repeatedly added to that article by socks of Phạm Văn Rạng. I cannot say affirmatively that this new user, who created their account not even a day after you made your edit, is a sock of PVR's, but a duck is a duck. Yue🌙 03:32, 6 January 2024 (UTC)

I'm a bit unclear on the following China state bureaucracy question following the 2018 re-organization and thought you might know the answer. I've noticed your strong handle on the org chart following these changes. The Office of National Red Tourism Coordination Group was within CNTA. Am I correct to think it is now within the Ministry of Culture and Tourism? I appreciate any insight or source suggestions you may have if you have the time. JArthur1984 (talk) 20:07, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

JArthur1984 (talk · contribs) Hmmm, this is a tough one as this seems to be a pretty niche group. I would've guessed that this group would be listed under the bureaus of the Ministry of Culture and Tourism, but that doesn't seem to be the case. According to this 2018 source, it seems that the Office of National Red Tourism Coordination Group has been merged to the Department of Resource Development of the Ministry of Culture and Tourism (把原国家旅游局全国红色旅游工作协调工作并入资源开发司，“承担红色旅游相关工作”之中。没有把红色旅游纳入产业发展司，这种设置更加合理。). Hope that helps! The Account 2 (talk) 21:15, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for this! JArthur1984 (talk) 22:34, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Sure! Anytime. The Account 2 (talk) 10:12, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

Hi. I see you recently made edits to Shii and the JCP. Firstly, thanks for that. Second, I see Shii is now stated to be the "Chairman of the Central Committee". Can you please explain in the JCP article and on his Wikipedia what the meaning of this role is, i.e. what does the person in this role do and what are the roles and responsibilities of the Chairman of the Central Committee. You'll need to provide supporting citations for whatever you state. This would be very helpful and most appreciated. Helper201 (talk) 00:11, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

Helper201 (talk · contribs) Before, Shii was the Chairman of the Executive Committee of the Central Committee. Now, he is appointed as the Chairman of the Central Committee, a post that was vacant since 2006. They are separate posts. I did not know what to adjust the infobox title for the Executive Committee chair to, so I left it as before. I'll also add more info and sourcing for the new posts in the JCP page. The Account 2 (talk) 00:18, 19 January 2024 (UTC)

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Nice work on Political Consultative Conference (1946)! Just a small issue. Could you please provide a source for the entire "Membership" section? Cheers, --The Lonely Pather (talk) 19:41, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks, I added a source. The Account 2 (talk) 20:44, 6 March 2024 (UTC)

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Oh, sorry. I will be more careful next time. The Account 2 (talk) 13:35, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

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Pardon for interrupting you with a question that I could (and indeed already have) asked on Teahouse, but I am impatient to fix a technical error I created, as I hate for errors to remain. I see that you are active now from my article pages on my watchlist.

I have malformed a move request here. How do I fix it so I can properly initiate the request? I am trying to edit in visual, as I am not so good at the formatting in source. Is visual the issue?

Do not feel you need to respond if you are busy however, I will get an answer via Teahouse at some point, I am certain. JArthur1984 (talk) 15:47, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

You just need to remove the < nowiki > parts as they're blocking the mechanism from activating. The Account 2 (talk) 15:49, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the technical advice, it allowed me to fix it. JArthur1984 (talk) 16:09, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

No problem. Cheers! The Account 2 (talk) 16:14, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

Do you have any sources for the Leadership section of the Central Rural Work Leading Group? I'm currently going through 20th Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party to make sure each officeholder and their date of appointment is correct, and I cannot find any sources as to Liu Guozhong becoming the leader of the Leading Group on March 12, 2023. This article from 2022 and this article from 2021 both refer to Liu as the Head of the Leading Group, but I have yet to find a source with a date of appointment. Atop21 (talk) 20:34, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Hello; I do have a source that does indeed confirm Liu is currently the head of the Central Rural Work Leading Group, but there are likely no sources available to show the date he was appointed. The problem is that China has one of the most secretive system of personnel appointments in the world, as they virtually never publicly announce appointments to Party and State bodies like this; their membership is usually either inferred through past experience or revealed through meetings of the body (such as in the link I posted). So it's very unlikely anyone can find a date on when exactly Liu was appointed as the group leader. The Account 2 (talk) 20:47, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Thank you so much for your quick response! The source you linked says that Liu gave a speech at the Central Rural Work Conference, but it states his positions solely as member of the Political Bureau of the CPC Central Committee and Vice Premier of the State Council with no mention of the Leading Group, unless I'm translating something wrong?

Thank you for the information regarding the lack of transparency of appointments. Given this, how have you found the months of appointment for each leader listed in the article? Atop21 (talk) 21:15, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Honestly, looking at it, you seem to be right. The problem is that, as I mentioned, these decisions are never announced publicly, so we are only left with guesses such as that since Liu Guozhong is the Vice Premier responsible for rural affairs, he must also be the leader of the Central Rural Work Leading Group (which all previous Vice Premiers responsible for rural affairs were). I translated the dates from the Chinese page, which I assume are based on when Liu and his predecessors were appointed vice premier. The Account 2 (talk) 21:32, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

Unfortunately, the vast majority of the dates in the Chinese page are also unsourced, with the exception of two deputies and some of the office leadership. I'm not entirely sure what the best course of action would be WRT the English page, as removing all the unsourced information would leave the page largely blank, but I have yet to find anything to substantiate the dates and I'm not sure if anything of the sort exists given the lack of transparency. Atop21 (talk) 17:10, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

Yeah, the problem is that Chinese politics, especially at the top level, is one of the most secretive on earth. To give an idea, the only times we see Xi Jinping in his office is during his new year speeches (imagine if we only saw the Oval Office once a year...) The Account 2 (talk) 17:36, 9 October 2024 (UTC)

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Hmmm should I remove them then? Thanks for making me aware of this policy. The Account 2 (talk) 17:34, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

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Hi there, I see that you've created a bunch of new list articles on provincial governors of China. I've marked many of them as reviewed, but I noticed that you didn't link to many of the new articles after you split them from the parent articles. For example, I think it's good practice to link an article like Governor of Hainan through a template like {{main}} or {{further}} like I've done at Politics of Hainan#List of governors of Hainan. Same goes for the all of the new lists you created for CCP committee secretaries, though I haven't looked at those pages yet. Not a big deal, but I think having the hatnotes is good practice to increase the visibility of the page and ensure readers can navigate to it. Thanks! Zeibgeist (talk) 22:07, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Yeah I've been thinking of doing that actually, thanks! The Account 2 (talk) 06:45, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

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Hi!

I just want to say that I have noticed all the new articles you've created, on both party secretaries and governors. I am impressed! Me, for that matter, am mostly working on Vietnam and Yugoslav-related articles at the moment, but when I'm finished with the article, 12th Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam, and creating a either WP:Good topic or WP:Featured topic out of it, I want to try to do something similar for the 18th and 19th CPC Central Committees. That is, a separate article for the central committees on the work they did in the specific term, separate articles/list on members and alternates, etc. I would also love working on/fix the articles on the NPC and the State Council, but there is so much to do and so little time. Anyhow, what I am trying to say, if you're interested in helping me in this bid I would greatly appreciate it! TheUzbek (talk) 18:25, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi there, thanks! Yeah I would like to fix China politics related articles too. I've been seeing your work over the years and I must say, great job! You've done great work over articles related to China over the years and I would be happy to see you contribute more. I'd be happy to work with you, and I also think China related articles are in need of expansion (I've especially wanted to expand articles related to local governments). I'm curious, which articles do you think should be improved the most? The Account 2 (talk) 21:53, 6 March 2025 (UTC)

That is a difficult question! :) I am very interested in institutions, and non-liberal institutions in particular. I feel that coverage on non-liberal states on Wikipedia is bad and that most users active editing them don't really know that much about the subject. Where I can contribute is to establish good shells that can inspire for more structured content. Basically, what I mean by shell is that articles like central committee (I've started on this; but I need to complete it), politburo, general secretary of the communist party, highest state organ of power reaches such a good level that they can influence the counterparts on specific communist institutions of specific states, such as China and Vietnam.

As for China, the NPC article deals mostly about its legislative role but does not explain the relationship between the NPC and the other state organs. That is a weakness. The NPC is the formal glue that holds everything together: the NPC is the highest state organ of the unified state apparatus of China. That needs to be made much clearer. That also means clarifying that role in the articles on the SPC, NSC et cetra. We need to devote more attention to specific institutional principles like unified power and democratic centralism. Most readers don't know what these terms mean, and we need to describe the theory behind it and what it entails in practice. By better explaining the formal role of the NPC we can also, I think, better explain the discrepancy between formal powers and reality.

Generally, I also want the articles on the state to be structured as the party organs are, that is, according to term and formal institutional names. The name, 2025 National People's Congress, sounds like a new NPC was established in 2025. It should be titled "Third Session of the 14th National People's Congress" (the article currently states it's officially the "Third Plenary Session", but plenary is wrong; the sub-sessions are called plenary sessions). WP also misses information on how the CPC colonised the state, which is very important, especially when understanding what this entails for Xi. Xi has created an "accountability system" where all party organs (and all party cells in state organs) report to the Politburo Standing Committee (that is, him). This means that the premier, NPC chair, CPPCC chair, CCDI secretary etc all report to the PSC. The "beauty" of this system is that the general secretary and the Politburo Standing Committee do not report to anyone, meaning that Xi does not report to anyone. Formally, the Politburo as a whole reports on its work to the Central Committee, but the PSC does not produce its own report. Xi does not report on his work as CMC chair or president to the NPC either.

Your interest in local governments is a net positive, and it's great that you are paving the way! Generally, WP coverage in that area is terrible, and I feel that its not apparent for most readers/editors that these institutions are important. When they think of China they think Xi controls everything. That is, of course, a great simplification. China has a very complex governance system, and WP is currently failing to explain how it is structured and how it operates. TheUzbek (talk) 11:19, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, I definitely agree that articles related to China really do need to be expanded, especially considering how vital these have become (these things directly affect the lives of 1.4 billion people and indirectly basically everyone else's due to China's size). I do think China's politics can feel a bit... academic to many people compared to Western politics, explaining the lack of interest (I can understand; I mean, compare this and this lol). I've been thinking of fixing the NPC article as well, but I don't know which point needs the most fixing (in the meantime I renamed all the NPC session articles as you proposed, I wanted to do that for some time as well). How would you more clearly explain the relationship between NPC and various institutions?

Regarding "how the CPC colonised the state", I agree that Wikipedia needs more expansion on that too, but I wonder what kind of specific changes you mean. Do you mean more content about party cells in state bodies? I also wonder how you want to incorporate content about the "accountability system" you mentioned and specify how the Party does control the state institutions.

Regarding the local government articles too, yeah, I was actually shocked just how little content about them was there (or should I say, virtually none until very recently), considering these bodies and positions manage the lives of tens of millions (and sometimes over a hundred million) people. The Party Secretary of Guangdong alone makes decisions concerning a population that exceeds Japan (not to mention an economy as large as Russia). I want to flesh out the articles regarding the administrations of each Chinese province and then perhaps create local government articles about the most important cities in China (such as Hangzhou, Shenzhen, Guangzhou and so on). The Account 2 (talk) 13:34, 7 March 2025 (UTC)

"How would you more clearly explain the relationship between NPC and various institutions?" I'd restructure the article wholesale, and I propse the following structure:

1. History
2. Governing Principles
   1. Democratic centralism
   2. Unified Exercise of State Power
   3. Leadership by the Communist Party
3. Organisation
   1. Standing Committee as Permanent Organ
      1. Special Committees
      2. Working Organs
   2. State Council as Executive Organ
   3. Relationship with Other National State Organs
   4. Relationship with the CPPCC and other Transmission Belt Organisations
4. Powers and Responsibilities
   1. Constitutional Supervision
   2. Election and Appointment of Officials
   3. The Legislative Power of the State
   4. Unified State Apparatus
5. Membership
   1. Demographics
      1. Ethnic Minority Representation
      2. Gender Representation
      3. Military Representation
   2. Nomination Procedures

The NPC is more than a legislature; we are not talking about legislative supremacy since, even in liberal states where that is practice, one actually tries to limit the powers of parliament in practice. The NPC has an unlimited right to meddle in the work of other state organs unless it has adopted a law or constitutional article that bans it for doing so. In other words, the only organ that can restrict the NPC's powers is itself. That's what differentiates liberal legislatures from communist state organs of state power. Once one grasps that one grasps how different communist state systems are from liberal ones. As Marx wrote, "The condition of a 'free government' is not the separation, but the unity of power. The machinery of government cannot be too simple. It is always the craft of knaves to make it complicated and mysterious." Now, one can always argue what he meant by it, but the Paris Commune vested all powers in the Commune Council (executive and legislative) while also bestowing it with the right to elect and dismiss judicial officers. The first constitutions of Soviet Russia went even further. But to say it clearly and simply, the highest state organ of power is the highest organ of the unified state apparatus. This means that all other state eorgans are inferior to it.

"Regarding "how the CPC colonised the state", I agree that Wikipedia needs more expansion on that too, but I wonder what kind of specific changes you mean." We currently don't have an article on Leading Party Members Group of the Chinese Communist Party, but we have articles on specific groups, for example, the Leading Party Members Group of the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference. We need an article on why they create these groups, what they do and what this entails. As for the state, the NPC article clearly needs to state that the CPC uses its two-thirds majority to organise elections that re-produce a communist two-thirds majority in the NPC and, by extension, in every state institution of China. The CPC controls China in two ways; the formal and open way, through the NPC, and the informal and untransparent way, through leading party member groups. The more open and transparent the system becomes, the more power the NPC gets, and the more closed and non-transparent the system becomes, the more power the party gets through the party members groups. We have two competing ways of controlling China, and the general secretary's powers would be greatly curtailed by weakening the party members group.

For local governments, we should create "Provincial/Municipal People's Congress" and "Provincial/Municipal Party Provincial Committee" articles and, if necessary, "Provincial/Municipal People's Governments/People's Courts" etc. The formal heart of the state system is the people's congresses, which need to be made clear.

As for you're Youtube examples, LOL. Those are two very fine and funny examples of the differences. The Chinese elite does everything in its power to showcase unity, but the American, at the moment at least, does everything in its power to show disunity.

1. "I renamed all the NPC session articles as you proposed" - Lovely!

TheUzbek (talk) 08:11, 8 March 2025 (UTC)

Wow, your proposal for the NPC is great, and exactly addresses the kind of changes I've been thinking about some time. I really do think the NPC article should outline how the NPC officially functions and what it really means in practice (as in, how much autonomy does the NPC have in reality and how much does it actually exercise its powers). Regarding the CPC's control over the state, I just translated the Chinese pages about the Leading Party Groups within the State Council and the NPC Standing Committee (as well as the CPPCC one you linked), and I would welcome further suggestions regarding this. I hope to find better sources regarding these as well, because frankly speaking, news reports about Chinese politics tend to be... subpar (just to give an example, I've seen news articles that suggest that it was Deng Xiaoping that started the efforts to separate the Party and State apparatuses while Xi Jinping ended that, despite the fact that it was in fact Deng that ended it after the 1989 protests. I've even seen some suggest Party leadership over the State Council only started in 2024, despite the fact it has been mentioned as early as 2004...)

For the local governments as well, do you have any sources that would be help for me? All the provincial-level Party Committee articles have now been created and now I want to slowly create all the People's Government/People's Congress articles too. Hopefully you can suggest what kind of wording could be used as I imagine they will look similar (as they have similar powers and responsibilities). Also wanted to mention, I've wanted to improve articles related to the Chinese People's Political Consultative Conference (specifically regarding what it even does) and I wonder if you have any suggestions. Do you think, for example, the National Committee of the CPPCC should have its own article? CPPCC is very unique to China so it can be confusing to write about.

Also, have you seen the changes in North Korea and Vietnam? In North Korea, it seems Kim Jong Un seems to be moving to a system that is at least nominally more party-centered compared to his father, and seems to be institutionalizing party structures at least somewhat (he also revived WPK's official commitment to communism). In Vietnam, there seems to be a large overhaul of the Party and Government. I wonder what you make of these changes (and how to add about them to Wikipedia). The Account 2 (talk) 16:17, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks and great work on those article creations!!! :) Maybe we should try writing something in a sandbox together?

I agree with you, there are way too many myths regarding Xi, the CPC and China. And some of them are obvious. For example, Xi breaking the two-term limits rule. Jiang Zemin served as CPC head from 1989 to 2002 and army head from 1989 to 2004. That is more than two terms. Plus, there was never any formal rule in place forbidding it, and I am assuming so for a reason. I am pretty sure that Deng did not overlook this fact. He would have introduced one if he had wanted a clear term limit. I also agree with the state-party relationship. China was moving under this track under Zhao Ziyang, but Jiang's elevation as CPC general secretary, military head and state president squashed this. In contrast, the Vietnamese did move in this direction.

Donald Gasper's article, "The Chinese National People’s Congress", in the book Communist Legislatures in Comparative Perspective comes to mind, and I've read parts of the book, The People's Congresses and Governance in China: Toward a Network Mode of Governance. There are many good books out there, but the problem is that too few researchers study the formal powers and just treat it as an ordinary legislature, by which they miss a lot of information in the process. I would say Chinese peer-to-peer review sources are the best at outlining the formal powers of the NPC and the people's congress system. I will gladly contribute to any proposals you send me! :)

The CPPCC also needs work, specifically its relationship with the NPC. We have an article on Two Sessions but it utterly fails to explain why they are held at the same time and how that influences Chinese governance.

North Korea: Yes, I agree that is what we are formally seeing; however, if he had done this with the whole power structure, North Korea would have undergone a very unstable phase that would not have gone unoticed. What do I mean? Kim, like Bashar al-Assad before him, strengthened the formal powers of the party by convening the party congress and other organs. However, there are no signs that Kim is reducing the informal power of his family over the political system. Moreover, the Kims have appointed several officials through nepotism. These officials do not gain from instituting formal procedures and "democraticising" decision-making. After two decades of running Syria, Bashar al-Assad still dominated the scene through family, intermarriage and other personal bonds. I don't see Kim changing that. But, of course, it is interesting that Kim is trying to formalise decision-making and strengthening certain institutions. No matter how nepotistic he is, Kim still wants the regime to deliver results for those he governs. But this will only give marginal results, I believe. The fundamental problem is that the WPK is subordinated to the informal rule of several revolutionary families that stand above it.

Vietnam: These guys are interesting! :) My very simple interpretation is that Nguyễn Phú Trọng was interested in crushing the corrupt while Tô Lâm is more interested in reforming the system so that it produces less corruption (Xi, I would say, is both). If it works, and gives results, Tô Lâm will get a second term. If he fails, he may get a second term: the CPV is so divided as of late. What is important to remember about Vietnam is that power is more widely dispersed. And while the CPV general secretary is top-dog, he cannot dominate the political scene as his Chinese counterpart can. The CPV general secretary's powers are curtailed, and the day-to-day work of running the Secretariat is left to a permanent member. And control of the secretariat is the favoured means of a general secretary to control the politburo. Mao did that, by transforming the Secretariat into the Politburo Standing Committee. Most ruling general secretaries opted for an informal route: for example, Leonid Brezhnev convened meetings in the Secretariat to discuss the Politburo agenda before convening the politburo session in question. The politburo, especially in the later part of his rule, often rubber-stamped the decisions of the secretariat. In Vietnam, that is more difficult, which also means that the general secretary cannot supervise the premier, the state president, and the national assembly chair to the same extent as his Chinese counterpart can. That doesn't mean you don't have dirty tricks in the CPV, but that, naturally, power gets more dispersed at the central level. In the CPC, power naturally gets centralised. The only exception to this rule is Hu Jintao and Hua Guofeng, neither of whom will go down in history as strong leaders.

I also want to cover the reforms under Tô Lâm, but I don't like to edit articles on active politicians and events. So much can change, and even you create a good article, you actively need to maintain it and follow the news. I wrote most of the present-day Central Commission for Discipline Inspection article as TIAYN, but the article has become really dated and needs a major rewamp. Which only proves my point; its a hazzle! So, when the term of the 13th Central Committee of the Communist Party of Vietnam ends, I will try to cover the present-day reforms in Vietnam, but not before that. TheUzbek (talk) 18:54, 10 March 2025 (UTC)

Yeah I definitely agree with you regarding the popular myths regarding Chinese politics. It's so frequent and sometimes tends to be so off the mark its sometimes a bit amusing to see (last year, I read some speculation that China didn't hold a military parade for the 75th anniversary of the PRC because of "economic troubles", never mind that the PRC holds military parades in every tenth anniversary, not fifth...). While Xi changed a lot during his role. it really does feel like some are treating him as if he singlehandedly created PRC's current political system. I feel this partially is due to the contrast with just how weak a leader Hu Jintao was in comparison, which at least partially magnifies just how powerful Xi feels in comparison. Interestingly, I just read an analysis from Jonathan Czin (who was the China director at the US National Security Council under Joe Biden), who seems to align with what you're saying. He says many of the "norms" during the Deng-Jiang-Hu eras were never really codified and/or were a coincidental byproduct of their time. He says the presidency isn't as powerful and its significance is a byproduct of attempts to shore up Jiang's rule by Deng. Interestingly, he is also much more critical of the collective leadership system and seems to argue Xi's move away from it made China's governance more disciplined and efficient.

I also think, like he argues, that the "openness" of the Hu era had more to do with the lack of capability to enforce the leadership wishes rather than an unwillingness to do so (after all, it was under who when the Great Firewall project was mostly developed). To be fair, subpar coverage of Chinese politics mostly has to do with just how secretive the Chinese leadership seems to be (an example I like to give is that the only time we see Xi's office is during his New Year speech; imagine if we saw the Oval Office only once a year). Overwhelming amount of the focus goes to Xi himself, and even then there's extraordinarily little amount of information about him considering his status (this video of Xi was considered a "breakthrough" on understanding what kind of a person Xi is because it was one of the very few moments ever he appeared unscripted, even though for virtually any other politician in any other country it would've been less than a semi-notable moment). Most of the focus also goes to Xi, meaning there's very little discussions of the other top party leaders.

I will look at the NPC articles. I can try to search for Chinese sources as well regarding these. Regarding the CPPCC, the main question I have now is whether the CPPCC National Committee should have a separate article from the main CPPCC page (which is the approach Chinese Wikipedia takes). I've also been considering expanding the Two Sessions article as well. Regarding the CCDI, I think you also got a bit unlucky writing that article just in the middle of Xi's anti-corruption campaign. :)

Regarding North Korea, yeah it does seem like Kim Jong Un is at least trying to have an appearance of ruling through the WPK unlike his father Kim Jong Il, who tossed away WPK structures completely. Kim seems to be trying to create the pretense of a Leninist system and appear to rule like his grandfather though, as you say, party structures remain subordinate to the Kim family (after all, people haven't stopped wearing Kim Il Sung badges). The developments in Vietnam are very interesting too, I will read about it. It does feel like Vietnam's political system is a "what if" version of China's, that is, if China stayed on the political course it was in the 1980s. The Account 2 (talk) 22:16, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Czin's analysis is interesting, and I concur with him. Xi's move to the Jiang/Deng model of strong leadership strengthened governance, discipline, and accountability. The Hu Jintao model was a weak rehash of the Brezhnev model: the chief oligarchs convened and discussed policy. Vietnam has managed to develop beyond the Brezhnev-model, but its only the League of Communists of Yugoslavia with their "Standing Rules of the Presidency of the League of Communists of Yugoslavia" that has managed to institutionalise collective leadership by setting out a transparent "rules of the game". Hua Guofeng referenced the possibility of instituting rotating chairmen as the LCY did after 1980 (no leader sat more than one year). With Yugoslavia's dissolution, the collapse of the Soviet Union and the Tiananmen Square demonstrations, Deng moved to crush all these reform movements. However, if the CPC ever wants to move away from one-man dominance, they need to look to the LCY.

I am always supportive of creating articles of every national institution of note for communist states. People have asked me, for example, if the Central Committee of the 10th Congress of the League of Communists of Yugoslavia was notable, and my answer was yes, of course it is. The same goes for China. We should also create central committee articles for the transmission belt organisations. The Chinese elite is not just the Central Committee, even if that is the top tier.

I agree with your point on the CCDI. But the reason I also did that was because of the anti-corruption campaign.

Regarding your point on transparency, I could not agree more. That is why I also believe much of this talk is overblown: "Xi has greatly reformed the system," "Xi has instituted one-man rule," etc. We have no clue what the CPC's top functionaries and the Politburo members feel. It's not unlikely that they haven't really noticed any other change than increased efficiency.

Vietnam is the new Yugoslavia, with Laos being a strange combination of North Korea and Vietnam. It has the nepotism of North Korea, but the term limits and transfer of power of Vietnam. However, it also seems to be engulfed in a "Hu Jintao scenario", in that it has collective leadership, but no good procedures, rules and regulations to ensure good governance. Collective leadership can only function with clear rules; if it's based on the informal authority of the oligarchs, it will rot and be engulfed by corruption and bad governance. Cuba, for that matter, is also interesting; they have instituted term limits, and renewed the leadership (introduced gender parity in the Central Committee), but the revolutionary generation refuses to retire and are stopping overt reform (which is killing the reform process itself).

You are interesting, that is good. Too many users are just interested in fighting over infoboxes or refusing to acknowledge facts. You seem to know the topic at hand and want to improve coverage overall. Too many users here on WP think the best way to improve it is adding totalitarianism or fighting over the lead without actually making any major contributions themselves. Not that there is nothing wrong with that in itself, but it produces unnecessary conflicts, especially when their knowledge on the subject is weak. You are a good editor!

I received good feedback on an article I am writing about communist institutions. Hopefully, it will be published soon in a high-standing academic journal. These are important topics. TheUzbek (talk) 09:35, 14 March 2025 (UTC)

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Hello. I have noticed that you often edit without using an edit summary. Please do your best to always fill in the summary field. This helps your fellow editors use their time more productively, rather than spending it unnecessarily scrutinizing and verifying your work. Even a short summary is better than no summary, and summaries are particularly important for large, complex, or potentially controversial edits. To help yourself remember, you may wish to check the "prompt me when entering a blank edit summary" box in your preferences. Thanks! Amigao (talk) 23:29, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

Yeah I've been trying to be a bit quick on some edits, but I'll use edit summaries more. Thanks for the reminder Amigao! The Account 2 (talk) 23:33, 25 March 2025 (UTC)

And thanks for the translations! Amigao (talk) 21:48, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

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Hiya,

I noticed your edits on economy of the UK and the UK page. I would like to ask if you could one day perhaps look into the economy of England page; there's some issues there. Check the farming sector; just a list of data and years with not much sources. Needs a bit of a rework imho. 2A0A:EF40:F0E:4E01:9BB9:A1A:E070:AE69 (talk) 10:54, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Add to that the data is outdated. 2A0A:EF40:F0E:4E01:9BB9:A1A:E070:AE69 (talk) 10:55, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

Note that this request to edit a protected article appears to be from User:Lam312321321 evading a ban, they've made several similar edit requests on that article's talk page. Belbury (talk) 11:02, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

I'm not that user account, no. I would be blocked if I was surely and not able to make such comment? 2A0A:EF40:F0E:4E01:9BB9:A1A:E070:AE69 (talk) 11:03, 17 April 2025 (UTC)

On 26 April 2025, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Girls' Day (China), which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the origin of Girls' Day in China is uncertain? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Girls' Day (China). You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Girls' Day (China)), and the hook may be added to the statistics page after its run on the Main Page has completed. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

RoySmith (talk) 00:02, 26 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi there, I'm pleased to inform you that I've begun reviewing the article Wang Huning you nominated for GA-status according to the criteria. This process may take up to 7 days. Feel free to contact me with any questions or comments you might have during this period. Message delivered by ChristieBot, on behalf of TheUzbek -- TheUzbek (talk) 15:03, 19 March 2025 (UTC)

@TheUzbek 114.37.199.155 (talk) 07:25, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

? TheUzbek (talk) 09:50, 28 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello @The Account 2. You changed the party's ideology from nationalism to ultranationalism with "this change". But you left the sources shown for Turkish nationalism as sources for ultranationalism. For example, the following source does not say that the party is ultranationalist, nor does it say that it is nationalist. There is nothing about the party's ideologies in that source. But you left this link in the article as a source.

In the other source, it is claimed that the party is nationalist, not ultra-nationalist. You have left this link in the article as an also source. I guess you haven't read the sources. I think you should revert your change.

Have a nice day.Yaldıran (talk) 20:29, 29 April 2025 (UTC)

And please write more descriptive edit summaries. Your edit summary is unfortunately not at all descriptive. Please see: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Editing_policy#Be_helpful:_explain Yaldıran (talk) 20:34, 29 April 2025 (UTC)