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draft Richard Franklin White rejection on Julie Standell's sandbox

To reviewer Theroadislong,

I don't understand the criteria (italics) that made my page about Rick White rejected:

"This submission's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article—that is, they do not show significant coverage (not just passing mentions) about the subject in published, reliable, secondary sources that are independent of the subject (see the guidelines on the notability of people). Before any resubmission, additional references meeting these criteria should be added (see technical help and learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue). If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia."

What cited resources are not acceptable for significant coverage? I did research in his hometown area, and also interviewed him via email. I also received photos and a video of the National Rock Con Fan fest's activities, that demonstrated his participation during the 3 day event.

Does Rick White need to be famous for making recordings or performance appearances that are documented and/or contained in journalist interviews, before a Wikipedia page can be created for him?

Based on what other musician entertainer's Wikipedia pages I have reviewed, prior to making this effort, I thought that my content met the same standards as theirs. The Human Beinz were a musical group that made hit records in the 1960's.

Rick White was a member of that band AFTER that time period, because the band attempted a Revival on 2005. I was told that the original member Ting Markulin authorized & approved him as a legitimate member of the band and as approved lead singer for The Human Beinz, officially. I also previewed The Human Beinz Wikipedia page & found Rick White's name listed as a member, thereby confirming his status.

I wanted to make this page to specifically show his own singing career & the story that led to him joining The Human Beinz.

Please offer some specific suggestions for me, so I can improve this page or decide to abandon it. I appreciate your review & help.


Cordially & respectfully, Julie Dugan aka Julie Standell Julie (talk) 22:07, 11 October 2019 (UTC)

You have ten sources none of which mention White?

Sources need to be in-depth coverage of Rick White. Theroadislong (talk) 07:30, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Draft: Sándor Köleséri

Hi

What is your problem whit this article? It's just teasing ... Wikipedia is packed with much lower quality Hungarian-related articles than the one I was editing. For example, how can this article be published? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sándor_Kömíves

A novice editor would need some help, not a continuous tease .... Marketingtanacsado (talk) 08:22, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Jeremiah Asher

I have your message rejecting my brief article on Jeremiah Asher. I gave it another shot, adding some additional references. If it is still unacceptable I hope someone more competent will take up this task as Asher is an important figure in American (and particularly African-American) history and it seems to me that he deserves a Wikipedia entry. Thanks  Preceding unsigned comment added by Joeywahoo (talkcontribs) 09:15, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Thank you.

Thank you for the brutal truth. I now understand what "citations" really mean. I appreciate the time you took to explain this to me. I am a novice at this kind of thing; but I had some enthusiasm to create this for Rick White and thought it could be a partial legacy for him & his family.

Thanks again.

Julie (talk) 15:09, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Jeremiah Asher

Thank you for guiding me through the process of getting this entry published. Here is a link to a photograph of Jeremiah Asher. Adding it to the entry seems to be beyond my ability at this point. Thanks. http://www.civilwarbaptists.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/12/asher_jeremiah.jpg Joeywahoo (talk) 18:48, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

I don't know where we stand on copyright for this, I have only uploaded photographs I have taken myself so far, where copyright is very clear. Theroadislong (talk) 19:20, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Request on 20:18:13, 12 October 2019 for assistance on AfC submission by Illbadler


I disagree with your decision to delete my revised draft of an entry on Steven "Akili" Walker


Friend,

Thanks for reviewing the revised version of my article on Steven "Akili" Walker.

Your main comment was that "discogs and allmusic are not reliable sources" -- which was what the first editor said when s/he rejected it. I accepted that criticism, which is why this revised version doesn't cite discogs a single time. It does, however, cite Billboard magazine frequently, which is a reliable source, as well as the New York Times.

I agree, however, with the broader complaint that the references in the revised version "do not show 'significant' coverage." I submit, though, that this lack of in-depth coverage is an occupational hazard for an audio engineer, whose work occurs very much behind the scenes. For the sake of counter-balance, I noted a number of the prominent artists on whose recordings Akili worked over the course of 30 years, all of whom have Wikipedia articles devoted to them. They include Jimmy Cliff, Humble Pie, Ahmad Jamal, the Mighty Sparrow, LL Cool J, Bootsy Collins, Jimmy Spicer, Lovebug Starski, The Fat Boys, Onyx, Lester Bowie, and the Art Ensemble of Chicago.

This is a roster of Hall of Fame musicians. I hope you'll reconsider your decision to reject this submission.

Illbadler (talk) 20:18, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Illbadler (talk) 20:18, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Illbadler I didn't say it should be deleted? I declined it because it's sources were not sufficient to pass WP:GNG. You appear to have two drafts on the same page too, courtesy link Draft:Steven Walker (sound engineer) Notability is not inherited I'm afraid, Wikipedia requires there to be in-depth coverage of HIM in multiple reliable sources. Theroadislong (talk) 21:38, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Re your most recent comment: I understand that at first you were confused. Then I directed you to the most recent draft of my article on Akili Walker. I wondered if you'd changed your mind about rejecting the article once you saw that I'd replaced all of the citations from discogs.come with citations from Billboard. As best as I can tell, your reply was to inform me that you'd been confused because I'd posted both versions one after the other. But you offered no assessment of the revised version of the article. Sorry, but have I missed something? Illbadler (talk) 20:20, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

You need to remove the first draft and make it clear what is to be reviewed. Eleven of the sources are to Allmusic, these confer no notability at all and should be removed, there are large parts which are still unsourced where did the info come from? Theroadislong (talk) 20:27, 13 October 2019 (UTC)
The Billboard sources are just passing mentions eg. engineered by Walker, Wikipedia requires the coverage to be in-depth and detailed. Theroadislong (talk) 20:36, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Enguage rejection... help?

Hi, Firstly, thanks for getting back so quickly, some of the instructions suggested it may take 8 weeks, or so. And apologies, I'm new to editing Wikipedia pages (as you've probably guessed!) - I'm not even sure if this is the right channel to get back to you?

Is it possible to help me with your comments on my article?

I don't doubt that my writing style might not match the style required in an encyclopedia, this is my first page. Most of my writing is academic, which I guess isn't a suitable style for an encyclopedic entry - I'm not presenting literature reviews, original research etc. I'm hoping to learn!

But, your comment that it is an 'advert' is a little vague, in that it isn't a commercial product. Enguage is open source software. Is /is/ the case that Enguage won the BSC SGAI Machine Intelligence Competition in 2016, which should make it notable, and I've included links to verify this. So, at what point does it become an advert? I certainly haven't used judgemental language/superlatives (e.g. "this is the greatest..." etc), and all claims are verifiable.

In my defence, I have included a COI marker, even though I do not receive any money from Enguage - it's not a 'product', as such.

Is there a 'starting point' where it goes wrong? Should I have started with a shorter article? Or do you not like the whole thing? I've tried to model my page on "Cucumber (Software)", but because my system programs in natural language it's not a run of the mill software program.

One of the problems with Enguage is that it is complex, and in explaining one thing drags a whole load of other things in.

Thanks in advance for any suggestions, Martin.

MartinWheatman (talk) 22:27, 13 October 2019 (UTC)

Hello,

The couple of links to images (downloaded by myself) on Commons, which I used are extremly relevant for the article. Do you mind if I keep them?

Best regards Patrick  Preceding unsigned comment added by PatmanSA1 (talkcontribs) 08:49, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

It's not a question of whether I mind or not, we just don't normally do it. Theroadislong (talk) 08:59, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment.

Hi Theroadislong, thank you for the comments on Draft:International Council of Voluntary Agencies. I have attempted to resolve your comment by removing external links in the body of text and by making the language seem more neutral. I do believe that the organisation is notable and important enough to have its article on Wikipedia, and would appreciate any further help getting it approved. MrVertigo (talk) 09:52, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Enguage rejection... help?

I've updated the page - drastically reducing the length. Ironically(?), it has removed more of the non-self references. Removing self-references seems to be worthless, as it sounds as if I'm scuppered in writing about anything that I've done, whether it involves any references at all? I'm going to resubmit, but with a little less hope ;-)

What are my options? Can I request that someone writes a page? Can I submit a stub (I think that what it is called as it nowstands) and hope someone takes up the challenge? If I simply asked one of my colleagues to author a page on Enguage, surely it too would mean that they would have a conflict of interest?

Cheers, martin  Preceding unsigned comment added by Martinwheatman (talkcontribs) 12:08, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

Ideally you would wait until someone totally uninvolved wrote the article, using secondary, independent published sources only. Wikipedia is not a venue for announcing new things or original research. Theroadislong (talk) 13:38, 14 October 2019 (UTC)

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