User talk:YorkshireLad/Archive 2

Hello, YorkshireLad. Please check your email; you've got mail!
It may take a few minutes from the time the email is sent for it to show up in your inbox. You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{You've got mail}} or {{ygm}} template. Orange Mike | Talk 04:39, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

Received, will reply ASAP. YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 11:10, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

I just noted your accusations in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mezzo Secolo Di Ritornelli about me (with IP 151.74.138.45) being the same person as other IPs. For the record I edit on en.wiki for over 10 years, well before you joined the project. I don't care nor I have a particular interest about that subject. If you read my "weak keep" reasoning it is completely different from the other IPs, both in style and arguments. And the sole reference to WP:GARDEN should have made it clear I have nothing to do with COIs. And yes, I live in Messina, Sicily and would have no idea how to make my IP looking like I'm in Aosta (the exact opposite side of Italy, I'm closer with Africa). Bye. --151.52.254.197 (talk) 17:56, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

One of the many disadvantages of editing as an IP I'm afraid. -Roxy the elfin dog . wooF 18:00, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

IPs from Aosta, Milan and Catania were mentioned in that page. Yours is likely to be the one from Catania, which is next door to Messina. It happens to me as well from time to time, that my IP is associated with the province of Naples when I'm in Caserta, or with the province of Bergamo when I'm in Lecco. For example, with a quick lil whois check, your IP appears to be assigned to the province of Ragusa currently. ×°˜`°×ηαη¢у×°˜`°× 18:12, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Yes, sometimes it is even associated to cities belonging to the Calabria region, but Milan or Aosta are way too far! Indeed, next time don't jump to conclusions. A lot of Italian IPs and casual contributors check Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Italy. Bye. --151.52.254.197 (talk) 18:19, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

Sigh This was precisely why I made no such comment initally. It's neither here nor there, but my very first edit on here was in 2005 as an IP editor. I don't know precisely which edit, because at the time my family had AOL internet, and they swapped IP addresses between users with gay abandon. I then had an account which I abandoned in 2007, not making any edits even from IPs for many years; when I wanted to return, I'd long since forgotten the password and hated the username, so I just started afresh. Of course, you have no evidence of this—I could be a talking dog for all you know.

Anyway, if you are indeed a different person from the others, I do apologise. However, it remains true that it is unusual for three unconnected IP accounts to be casting !votes in an AfD discussion, even an Italy-themed one; I just checked a few random times in the recent history of the relevant delsort page, and none of the other discussions had a single IP comment, let alone three.

I'll also point out that following me to my talk page simply to express your irritation with me, and not to make any actual request of me, is bordering on wikihounding (as you should know if you've been here for ten years), and I'd request that you stop. If you believe that the consensus was assessed incorrectly because of the assumption that the three IP votes were the same person, there is a formal venue for that, though I can't guarantee you'll get very far. YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 18:58, 15 July 2020 (UTC)

... and for the record, since it came up, I live in County Durham, NE England. -Roxy the elfin dog . wooF 22:34, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

I live in a featureless void somewhere in the outer reaches of space, but for some reason my IP geolocates to London... YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 22:39, 18 July 2020 (UTC)

		The Barnstar of Diligence
		For slogging through the table creation on Special purpose UK railway stations Fiddle Faddle 19:42, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

@Timtrent: Thanks! This is the first barnstar I feel I've really earned (shockingly, I'm not counting this one) so I'm chuffed.  :-) YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 22:34, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

I suddenly realised you deserved it. I know what a slog that was. I did a similar one years ago on a list of gymnasts that had got out of control. It take a lot of horsepower to concentrate long enough Fiddle Faddle 05:49, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

hey man can you change the rules for the game of life back and give me my friend back please — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.251.136.90 (talk) 23:02, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Erm... is this about this edit I made? I am deeply confused, but that happens a lot. YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 23:16, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

Thanks for your post and mention at Edit filter. I joined in 2016. As best I can remenber, it was around that time that an editor in good standing was taken to task at ANI, regarding their multiple!! edits changing Trump to Drumpf. They were absolutely bewildered, until they realized that they had installed an extention. Apologies were made, all was forgiven, etc. and a few laughs were exchanged. It’s a good thought, to prevent such inadvertent edits, before they are posted, which is what I suppose an edit filter can accomplish. Regards, Tribe of Tiger ^{Let's Purrfect!} 01:11, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

Tribe of Tiger, Hey, thanks for dropping by! Yes, I thought that we might be more likely to see the same again, given that Mr (T|D)rumpf?'s election campaign is once more in full swing. Though they might argue on the board that it's not a big enough problem to warrant the processing power of a filter; I guess we'll see. YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 10:29, 20 August 2020 (UTC)

August 26, 2020. John Pappas again. so you cut me off. "cancel culture" as they say. you are totally wrong and unfair. I can't even find where I wrote or contributed in here before. all I can say is you are unjust and you do back each other up. — Preceding unsigned comment added by John Pappas (talk • contribs) 03:50, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

John Pappas, I'm not sure why you're directing this at me? I don't believe I expressed an opinion on whether the article about you should be kept or deleted; the only things I've said in relation to you or the article were:

• Letting you know I'd nominated for deletion a page that it seems you created by accident (i.e. the nomination page for "Totally TV", not the article about you);
• Pointing out the log that shows your account did create that page;
• Noting that the user who nominated the article about you for deletion almost certainly didn't want to replace an article about you with one about a football player, because they wouldn't have to delete the existing article for that.

Anyway, while I didn't contribute to the deletion discssion (and didn't particularly look at the article, so don't have any well-formed opinions), I can say that Articles for Deletion is categorically not an area of Wikipedia where people simply back each other up. On the contrary, it can be the scene of quite heated arguments—see, for instance, this recent discussion about an article on a British DJ. If there's a unanimous opinion, as there was in the case of the article about you, it usually suggests a broad consensus that the article doesn't fit in with the general notability guideline. (I'm also not really sure what any of this has to do with "cancel culture"...) YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 09:19, 27 August 2020 (UTC)

there's no way I can understand all of what has happened to me and you at wikipedia make it impossible to reply to administrator comments. it's taken me half a dozen attempts to get to this point where I can finally type.

again I resent eagles 24/7 coming at me with a threat saying there's a football player in history who had my name and he should have the wikipedia article with my name. do you know (I'm sure you do not) how many men named John Pappas there are? many! and I've been fighting with them for years for my proper well deserved recognition having the name. I do not promote myself for that. names are important. when I joined the Screen Actors Guild in 1976 there was an actor with my name. a waiter in Las Vegas who may have done a small role in something shot in Vegas. I joined the guild with the name John Niko Pappas. when the Vegas guy past away I was allowed to use my original name John Pappas through Screen Actors Guild without the need of a middle name. it took me years waiting. now in one fucking day you guys take my article (which was all valid and true and not self promoting in any way) and now I've got a councilor in LA right behind me with my name in search engines. as I said before I contribute every time Wikipedia asked for a donation. names are important, they have significance. just ask eagles247 (Personal attack removed) I resent that guy. I am dealing with you because I won't communicate with such a person and you supported him and so did others but you verbalized your support. you should return my article to where it was including my parents names.— Preceding unsigned comment added by John Pappas (talk • contribs) 16:38, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

John Pappas, I've moved your comment here (comments go on user talk pages, and user pages are generally edited only by the user who made them, though it sounds like you were having some technical difficulties).

So, firstly, I'm not an administrator; I have zero power to restore the article, and I can't access it any more than you can. If I were technically able to, policy would prohibit me from restoring it, because the deletion discussion closed with a consensus (indeed, a near-unanimous one) to delete the article, and admins have very limited authority to overturn consensus like that. There is a sort of "appeals" process from deletion, called deletion review, but that isn't for restating arguments for an against deletion: it's limited to deciding whether the person who "closed" the discussion (i.e. decided what the consensus was) made the correct call. Since everyone posting on AfD thought it should be deleted, you'd be very unlikely to have any success there. The admin who closed the discussion was Malcolmxl5; you could try asking them if they're willing to give you a copy of the page contents, but they agreed it would be on the strict condition that it not be restored to John Pappas unless sufficient sources were added to the article. (By linking to their name I've drawn their attention to this discussion.)

It's a minor point, but the article wasn't removed in a day: there was a seven-day discussion, as part of which your comments were relayed (someone linked to your post at WP:Help desk). And, as I've said before, the article wasn't removed because some other John Pappas was more important: it was because people couldn't find enough occasions where people who are not connected to you had actively chosen to write about you (specifically you as a person, and not, say, a review of a play that you'd been in, or written or directed). If Malcolm was willing to give you the article, and you could find those sources, there might be a chance of having it restored. But I can assure you that the deletion was not a personal comment on you or on your relative importance compared to any other John Pappases. (Off the top of my head I can think of several people in the public realm whose work I know, and whom I admire, but for which the sources don't exist for them to have an article: I know because I considered writing articles about them, but realised that they would get swiftly deleted if I tried.)

Finally, your comments on Eagles247; I don't know them and have never interacted with them at all before this matter of the article about you, but you've made a serious accusation about them above (that they threatened you), and it's only fair that they have the right to respond to that, should they so choose. I would be the first to condemn any threats that I saw on this site, but I haven't seen any, and you're going to have to provide evidence of that if you want it to be taken seriously. (There are ways to provide evidence of such things sensitively.) You did, however, make a personal attack against them in your comment above; I have removed it, per the "no personal attacks" policy, and I would strongly caution you to comment only on actions and content, not on what you might speculate about individual editors themselves, in future. YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 17:11, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, one point I forgot: there's very little point trying to use donations as a bargaining chip when discussing with editors on here, since (quite rightly) almost none of us sees any of that money, including administrators: it mostly goes on things like keeping the servers running. I too have donated money to Wikipedia, but it doesn't give me the right to have an article about me if I wanted one. (There are good reasons not to want one, in fact.) YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 17:17, 28 August 2020 (UTC)

again it's taken me several attempts to get to this point where I can write anything. I am not attempting to bargain. I don't believe it would be to my benefit to kiss ass in any way. I don't like and I am offended by what you wikipedia administrators have pulled. I've had an article for 4 or 5 years and all of a sudden you've decided to cut me off of wikipedia. I have no website or business to plug or pimp as many people do. my edits were minimal. I deleted the names of a couple writers to not advertise them I added my parents with very little additional information. I have seen many people who have their parents listed and their credentials are no more pertinent than mine. you say I had no articles written on me. well yes I do. many publications were written on me that have been shoved into oblivion by newer stories. my reviews of plays written by me is an article about me and I could give a damn how you categorize it. I should you an LA Times article about a playwrights group I started which still is available on line. I was featured in the LA Weekly (many years ago I'll grant you) but the Local Hero piece been I guess redirected to microfiche I guess. all my acting credits are valid. oh yeah and on donations?, Yorshire lad you said you've donated too but you don't have a page on wikipedia? if you could I'm sure you would. — Preceding unsigned comment added by John Pappas (talk • contribs) 17:42, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

@John Pappas: I've moved this here from where you created it at WP:Articles for deletion/Totally TV (2nd nomination); it seems like you're having some technical issues, but you don't seem to be blocked from editing this, or any other, page at time of writing, nor have you ever been, so it must be something "at your end", as they say. I assumed your comment was meant to be here (I had to move it somewhere or it would disappear), but please feel free to move or delete it as you see fit (or tell me where it should go and I'll move it for you).

Beyond that, I don't really have much more to say, and I'm unlikely to reply further on this topic on this talk page or elsewhere. As I've said, I'm not an admin, so there's absolutely nothing I can do to restore the article. If you think someone has acted improperly, the noticeboard page to take it to is WP:ANI; I don't see any evidence that anyone has, though, so I wouldn't recommend it. YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 19:15, 29 August 2020 (UTC)

I've opened an ANI thread here if you're interested in commenting/following. Eagles 24/7 (C) 21:00, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Eagles247, Thanks for letting me know, I'll probably chime in. YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 21:03, 30 August 2020 (UTC)

Hello,

I believe an important inclusion to this article should be a rave event titled 241 which connected two countries and four cities in a Live Stream. It happened in March of 1996. A rag magazine wrote a small review about it. I have the flyer and the article clipping. How can this be included in this article. thank you — Preceding unsigned comment added by Miraclemileman (talk • contribs) 16:08, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

@Miraclemileman: Hi! The place to suggest this is on Talk:Livestreaming; I have no authority whatsoever over that article (indeed, nor does anybody else), and I don't think I've ever edited it (are you mixing it up with Lifestreaming, with an F? I've edited that article, but I still have no authority, so you'd need to post on Talk:Lifestreaming in that case). You could also just add it directly to the article, as Wikipedia encourages you to be bold when editing; someone might then remove it if they disagreed with its inclusion, and you'd need to discuss on the relevant talk page. YorkshireLad  ✿  ^(talk) 16:51, 13 February 2021 (UTC)

The Wikimedia LGBTQ+ User Group is holding online working days in May. As a member of WikiProject LGBT studies, editing on LGBTQ+ issues or if you identify as part of the LGBTQ+ community, come help us set goals, develop our organisation and structures, consider how to respond to issues faced by Queer editors, and plan for the next 12 months.

We will be meeting online for 3 half-days, 14–16 May at 1400–1730 UTC. While our working language is English, we are looking to accommodate users who would prefer to participate in other languages, including translation facilities.

More information, and registration details, at QW2021.--Wikimedia LGBT+ User Group 03:01, 27 April 2021 (UTC)