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Sk8erPrince banned
The committee has resolved by motion that:
After receiving multiple complaints from the community about off-wiki harassment and after raising these concerns with Sk8erPrince, Sk8erPrince is hereby indefinitely site banned from the English Wikipedia by the Arbitration Committee.
Supporting: Joe Roe, KrakatoaKatie, Mkdw, Premeditated Chaos, Worm That Turned
Opposing:
Did not vote: AGK, GorillaWarfare, Opabinia regalis
- For the Arbitration Committee
Mkdw talk 14:56, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- Discuss this at: Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee/Noticeboard#Sk8erPrince banned
Sandy Robertson
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The page above lists several people with the same name (mostly footballers I'd never heard of). It also happens to be my name. Quite a few people have told me of confusion because there are so many Sandy Robertsons yet I wasn't listed. My bio on RocksBackPages site shows I was a well known music journalist who also wrote Aleister Crowley Scrapbook which has been in print since the 1980s and is highly regarded. The problem is that every time I add myself to the list of people named Sandy Robertson, the same person reverts the page to delete my name. A note he has says that I am "not a notable person". I don't pretend to be vastly important, but I believe I'm at least as "notable" as some others on the page whom I had never heard of. What can I do to stop this? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.99.89 (talk) 16:56, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
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I don't understand why I'm not even allowed to ask further questions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.34.99.89 (talk) 18:36, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
- You're allowed to ask questions but this is wholly the wrong venue to do so. Try the Teahouse, we'd be happy to help there. -A lad insane (Channel 2) 18:53, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
- I'm kind of working on coming up with a good analogy for situations like this (it happens a lot), and the best I've come up with so far is: this is akin to walking into a fire station to report a robbery, and when they say they can't help you and you should go to the police station, you say "Even if I'm not at the exact right place, why aren't you taking this robbery seriously? Why all the bureaucratic nonsense? Why can't I at least ask you more questions about how to report a robbery?". Not a great analogy - in particular, we're not as important as fire stations or police stations, and our processes are less obvious than the fire/cop distinction, and sometimes we're less friendly than firefighters should be - so this isn't meant to criticize you, but explain. The WP:Teahouse is the closest thing we have to an all-inclusive 911 for new people, and User:A lad insane is correct to direct you there. --Floquenbeam (talk) 19:07, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
- If they're coming to AN or AN/I to ask for help about creating articles, I'd say that's like walking into the police station to ask for help on your taxes. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 19:41, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
- I think that's a bit unfair. Many of us here have the knowledge to answer the question. It is the wrong venue and that matters but as a project with a WP:NOTBURO philosophy we shouldn't be surprised when people chafe a little. Best, Barkeep49 (talk) 23:25, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
- If they're coming to AN or AN/I to ask for help about creating articles, I'd say that's like walking into the police station to ask for help on your taxes. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 19:41, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
Deleted page viewing request
User editing against consensus and refusing to follow the MOS.
ZH8000 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · nuke contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) Repeated vandalism/disruption against consensus established at a talk page here, where consensus was unanimous (except for ZH8000). Also against the manual of style (MOS:GEOUNITS). Edits [, , and . In each case quoting an internal Swiss style guide for writers in Switzerland (which was rejected in original consensus), as though it over-rules Wikipedia WP:MOS, and also repeated unfounded aspersions on motive. - 148.252.128.196 (talk) 18:19, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- Procedural note there was not originally a notice of this thread on ZH8000's talk page. I have since added one. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 19:23, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- Just another instantiation of a I B Wright sockpuppet. Besides, he refers to a concensus I have been accepting already for quite a while and which is not related to his reverts. -- ZH8000 (talk) 12:44, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Personal attacks/harassment by Drmies
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The user “Drmies” wrote this on my talk page: Thanks for pointing out the need for infinite protection. User:Warshy, thanks for supplying such useful edit summaries. IP, you're an idiot. Drmies (talk) 18:07, 24 October 2019 (UTC). Kindly ban Drmies for personal attacks/harassment. Thanks. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.141.168.220 (talk)
- You forgot to mention that Drmies blocked you for vandalism. You also forgot to mention that the comment to which you object was made nearly two weeks ago. Perhaps you should consider taking supplements to boost your memory. Lepricavark (talk) 02:04, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
- Hmm I think I was being factual. This is just the last one in a series of foolish vandal edits; it's not the first time we have to protect this article, and I protected the article indefinitely. I'm happy to see the IP editor here, so maybe other editors can confirm that this weird crusade of theirs is in vain, and that years of f***ing around with this article have come to an end. Also, it's a nice moment to point out that Salom Italia can do with some help. Drmies (talk) 02:15, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
- I was about to close this, as there isn't much to say or do about this, but I've decided to err on the side of caution and pitch in my own two cents. Drmies's language, while a bit harsher than what I would have used, is not ban or blockworthy given the circumstances, and even if it is technically a personal attack hardly constitutes harassment as it is an isolated and fairly minor incident. Even if the IP made those edits in good faith it is in his/her best interest at this point to drop the stick and move on with his/her life, rather than escalating this. – John M Wolfson (talk • contribs) 03:01, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
- I start with Wikipedia:A weak personal attack is still wrong. It's rude, please stop. Not interested in banning or blocking the editor... can we "topic ban" someone for personal attacks? If we could do that, we should "topic ban" everyone for it. It's wrong. Please stop. Move on. Now let's get back to work building an encyclopedia and focus on content.--Paul McDonald (talk) 03:15, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
- Just out of curiosity, did you consider the context? Lepricavark (talk) 05:05, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
- Yes. And I placed that context against the policy no personal attacks and civility that point toward the Five Pillars of Wikipedia. Context helps determine "severity" which is considered in a part of any action (which is little) but I also don't see any policy or guideline called Wikipedia:No personal attacks unless of course you are really tired of dealing with that particular editor even if they have a history of being disruptive. Y'see, we could be discussing blocking the IP address... or a topic ban on the editor... or sockpuppetry... or article content... and we still can. But now we're talking about an additional issue that could have been completely avoided. So, yes I believe that the solution here is to stop calling people names and move on. There's no reason to get emotionally involved with an edit.--Paul McDonald (talk) 13:04, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
- Drmies in the interest of the community, may I request you to not give such a recognition to them. It gives them a reason to harass you and others.--DBigXrayᗙ 06:38, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
- The take home message for the OP here is that they do, in fact, appear to be an idiot. -Roxy, the dog. Esq. wooF 13:12, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Wlbw68 and Nicoljaus, WP:Civility, WP:No personal attacks
Wlbw68 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log): link (in English), link (in English), link (in Russian)
Nicoljaus (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log): link (in English), link (in Russian)
Here everybody can see previous examples and its translation from Russian in to English from this page.
In Russian Wikipedia this two users/participants have indefinite block:
- Wlbw68 block-log in Russian part of Wikipedia.Here everybody can see previous examples and its translation from Russian:
08:17, 1 июля 2013 Shakko (A) заблокировал Wlbw68 на период 3 дня (запрещена регистрация учётных записей) (неэтичное поведение) — English: 08:17, July 1, 2013. Shakko (A) blocked Wlbw68 for a period of 3 days (account registration is prohibited) (unethical behavior)
13:13, 22 июня 2014 Sir Shurf (B,Ar) заблокировал Wlbw68 на период 2 недели (запрещена регистрация учётных записей) (оскорбления) — English: 13:13, July 22, 2014. Sir Shurf (B, Ar) blocked Wlbw68 for a period of 2 weeks (account registration is prohibited) (insults)
[...]
23:27, 25 января 2018 A.Vajrapani (A,F) заблокировала Wlbw68 на период бессрочно (запрещена регистрация учётных записей) (нарушение ВП:ВОЙ, ВП:ПТО, ВП:ЭП, ВП:ПДН) — English: 23:27, January 25, 2018 A.Vajrapani (A, F) blocked Wlbw68 for an indefinite period (registration of accounts is prohibited) (violation of WP:EW, WP:3RR, WP:CIV, WP:GF)
14:55, 28 января 2018 A.Vajrapani (A,F) изменила срок блокировки Wlbw68 на период бессрочно (запрещена регистрация учётных записей, не может править свою страницу обсуждения) (продолжение нарушений на СО) — English: 14:55, January 28, 2018 A.Vajrapani (A, F) changed the deadline for blocking Wlbw68 for an indefinite period (account registration is prohibited, cannot edit his talk page) (continued violations on talk page)
- Nicoljaus block-log in Russian part of Wikipedia. Some previous examples and its translation from Russian:
And here evebody can see the first Nicoljaus's block in English-language part of Wikipedia:17:26, 3 сентября 2017 Wulfson (A,C) заблокировал Nicoljaus на период 3 дня (запрещена регистрация учётных записей) (троллинг: преследование участника) — English: 17:26, September 3, 2017 Wulfson (A, C) blocked Nicoljaus for a period of 3 days (registration is prohibited) (trolling: harassing a participant)
17:21, 16 ноября 2017 Sealle (A) заблокировал Nicoljaus на период 2 недели (запрещена регистрация учётных записей) (троллинг) — English: 17:21, November 16, 2017 Sealle (A) blocked Nicoljaus for a period of 2 weeks (account registration is prohibited) (trolling)
17:41, 16 ноября 2017 Sealle (A) изменил срок блокировки Nicoljaus на период 17:21, 30 ноября 2017 (запрещена регистрация учётных записей, не может править свою страницу обсуждения) (троллинг, продолжение на СО) — English: 17:41, November 16, 2017 Sealle (A) changed the Nicoljaus block period to 17:21, November 30, 2017 (account registration is forbidden, cannot edit its talk page) (trolling, continued on talk page)
14:47, 16 декабря 2017 GAndy (A) заблокировал Nicoljaus на период 3 дня (запрещена регистрация учётных записей) (оскорбления) English: 14:47, December 16, 2017 GAndy (A) blocked Nicoljaus for a period of 3 days (account registration is prohibited) (insults)
20:59, 1 мая 2018 ShinePhantom (A) заблокировал Nicoljaus на период 12 часов (запрещена регистрация учётных записей) (неэтичное поведение) — English: 20:59, May 1, 2018 ShinePhantom (A) blocked Nicoljaus for a period of 12 hours (account registration prohibited) (unethical behavior)
23:07, 4 июня 2018 Grebenkov (A,F) заблокировал Nicoljaus на период 1 неделя (запрещена регистрация учётных записей) (неэтичное поведение) — English: 23:07, June 4, 2018 Grebenkov (A, F) blocked Nicoljaus for a period of 1 week (account registration is prohibited) (unethical behavior)
14:49, 16 мая 2018 Grebenkov (A,F) изменил срок блокировки Nicoljaus на период 13:45, 30 мая 2018 (запрещена регистрация учётных записей, не может править свою страницу обсуждения) (неэтичное поведение - продолжение нарушений на СО) — English: 14:49, May 16, 2018 Grebenkov (A, F) changed the Nicoljaus blocking period to 13:45, May 30, 2018 (account registration is prohibited, cannot edit his talk page) (unethical behavior - continued violations on talk page)
11:29, 15 июля 2018 A.Vajrapani (A,F) заблокировала Nicoljaus на период бессрочно (запрещена регистрация учётных записей) (конфронтационный настрой, ВП:КОНС, ВП:ЭП) — English: 11:29, July 15, 2018 A.Vajrapani (A, F) blocked Nicoljaus for an indefinite period (registration of accounts is prohibited) (confrontational attitude, WP:CON, WP:CIV)
--Tempus (talk) 11:59, 7 November 2019 (UTC)And in block-log admin, that blocked you here for 2 weeks, wrote, that the reason: ″Excessive Edit warring and personal attacks″.
@Tempus: Please could you provide some diffs showing personal attacks or uncivil behaviour on English-language Wikipedia in October or November 2019. Have there been any? Toddy1 (talk) 12:24, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
- I provided links at the very beginning of the discussion. About Wlbw68:
For the sake of this ideology, historical facts are distorted, false information is disseminated in the media, redo texts of textbooks and encyclopedias, etc. A good example of this is the Russian Wikipedia, in which Tempus commands. Wlbw68 (talk) 03:31, 7 November 2019 (UTC) — link
Wikipedia editor Tempus is a supporter of strict censorship in favor of the Russian government. That is why he removes any critical expert authoritative opinion against the government of the Russian Federation. In Russian Wikipedia, he is engaged in constant squabbles, demanding to ban all his opponents forever. He achieved this in relation to me and Nicoljaus. Now he has come to the English Wikipedia, here he wants to introduce censorship, he wants to destroy any free thought and ban all those who disagree with him. As an example of disgusting and destructive activities of the editor of Wikipedia Tempus. Wlbw68 (talk) 01:54, 30 October 2019 (UTC) — link
About Nicoljaus:Цель Tempus-а это всех перебанить с ним несогласных (как он это делает в руВики, там он без конца жалуется A.Vajrapani , которая всегда выполнит любой запрос Tempus-а и всех перебанит). [...] Вы почитайте обсуждение этой статьи в руВики, там же настоящее хамство от Tempus, в обсуждении других статей руВики такое же хамство Tempus-а, вместо ответов на вопросы – пушинг, вместо обсуждения – забалтывание темы.РуВики давно превратилась в откровенную пропагандистскую помойку правительства РФ благодаря A.Vajrapani Tempus и подобным. Wlbw68 (talk) 01:52, 30 October 2019 (UTC) — link
Tempus fiercely defended this lie (and admins covered it).--Nicoljaus (talk) 08:27, 7 November 2019 (UTC) — link
Tempus (talk) 12:47, 7 November 2019 (UTC)Просьба объяснить участнику Tempus что тут не ру-вики и буллинг вроде такого: "Поскольку с данным участником не представляется возможным ведение какого-либо диалога" тут не уместен.--Nicoljaus (talk) 22:16, 29 October 2019 (UTC) — link
- I provided links at the very beginning of the discussion. About Wlbw68:
- A little explanation. In the discussion of the article Alexander Dvorkin today the question of fake degrees that he attributes to himself was raised. In the previous discussion on Ru-wiki, Tempus confidently asserted that Dvorkin went through a certain “nostrification” process and turned the Master of Divinity diploma received in the USA into the degree of Russian candidate of theology. It turned out to be a false information. But, surprisingly, it all ended with the blocking of all opponents of Tempus.--Nicoljaus (talk) 13:32, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Recommend no action. I cannot see the relevance of the block histories on Russian-language Wikipedia to this discussion. But if they are relevant, then none of you have clean hands:
- Tempus 10 blocks on Russian-language Wikipedia.
- Nicoljaus 14 blocks on Russian-language Wikipedia.
- Wlbw68 23 blocks on Russian-language Wikipedia.
All three of you are capable of making a really good contribution to English-language Wikipedia, because you are smart and knowledgeable. It helps a lot that you have different points of view. Whatever quarrels you had on Russian-language Wikipedia are in the past. Why can't you drop the stick and back slowly away from the horse carcass? Toddy1 (talk) 19:17, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
- I just removed some personal attacks and BLP violations (disparaging the subject) from Talk:Alexander Dvorkin and then saw this discussion. I'm wondering if some kind of protection or editing restrictions might be helpful? Woodroar (talk) 22:45, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
Special:Contributions/209.141.32.0/19
Cross-wiki abuse and LTA,see Xu Song (singer) history,Foolish history and Vae (name) history,same edit to VOA User:韓包子給習當狗,User:MSD214 and Special:Contributions/159.69.0.0/16,proxy IP range,please block it,thanks.--MCC214#ex umbra in solem 09:25, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
- Also,please block User:東山有路 and User:Ndwhya,same user to User:韓包子給習當狗,User:Sannosa and User:MSD214,blocked in zh.wiki,thanks.--MCC214#ex umbra in solem 09:31, 7 November 2019 (UTC)
18:24, 7 November 2019 Wim b talk contribs changed status for global account "User:Every99vain@global": set locked; unset (none) (Long-term abuse: LWCU)
18:23, 7 November 2019 Wim b talk contribs globally blocked User:209.141.45.233 (expiration 18:23, 7 February 2020) (Open proxy)
18:21, 7 November 2019 Wim b talk contribs changed status for global account "User:東山有路@global": set locked; unset (none) (Long-term abuse)
18:21, 7 November 2019 Wim b talk contribs changed status for global account "User:Ndwhya@global": set locked; unset (none) (Long-term abuse)
They use IP 209.141.45.233,this IP has in Special:Contributions/209.141.32.0/19
Above.--MCC214#ex umbra in solem 07:41, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm not proud to admit this
Resolved...but I need a little help. I forgot to uncheck the "move all the subpages too" box when I archived my talk page and now all my archives and a great many other things are incorrectly moved to a destination I don't need them at and I have no idea what exactly I did to get them there or if it can be undone easily. Can someone more familiar with move-related bleep-ups take a look at this and see if they can help get everything off "User:TomStar81/X/Archive 21" and back the way it was? I'd show my appreciation with a barnstar, and you can enjoy the lolz :) TomStar81 (Talk) 07:22, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
Urgent block issue
I'm currently running a training event using IP 194.66.32.1 My trainees, who are logged in are getting a "You are currently unable to edit Wikipedia" notice, asking them to create an account and log in. Can someone assist, please? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:47, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Pigsonthewing: I've unblocked, can they try again now? GiantSnowman 10:52, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- @GiantSnowman: Perfect. Thank you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:51, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
This section is resolved and can be archived. If you disagree, replace this template with your comment. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:51, 8 November 2019 (UTC) Wikipedia bootleg, may or may not need serious attention
I was fooling around on Wikipedia the other day, particularly on its website urls, when I accidentally typed "wikipedia.pro" instead of "wikipedia.org", and got redirected to this site named "Deep web". (The link is [here]. This has everything in it from Wikipedia, even [my userpage] with striking accuracy.
However, every mention of Wikipedia is replaced with the phrase "Deep web", and the logo is changed too. The most prominent act of this is it's "Wikipedia" article, shown [here], which is laced with broken images, links and file names due to the rename. I stongly urge you to research into this website further. Note that deepweb.to is the home link, which displays something in Russian about Tor, and search.deepweb.to is the Wikipedia fake.
If all the data accumulated from Wikipedia is also transferred to this site (you can even look up your own name to prove it), would usernames, e-mails and passwords also be transferred here?
Finally, I'll provide you a link to this very message itself in the "Deep web" fake site, right [here].
Thanks. Dibbydib 💬/✏ 01:16, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- Wikipedia's content licence allows for it to be mirrored freely provided the licence stipulations (attribution of authors and releasing the content under an identical licence) are adhered to. Wikipedia mirrors aren't that uncommon and are generally nothing we need to (or can) worry about. —A little blue Bori v^_^v Onward to 2020 01:34, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- It's creepy but common, see Wikipedia:Mirrors and forks. Johnuniq (talk) 06:01, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- While the above are all true, this doesn't seem to be a typical mirror and fork. They seem to be typosquatting. Also I don't think they're actually really a mirror or fork, they seem to be proxying wikipedia while modifying the content to replace wikipedia with deep web. (Try editing a page.) Fortunately their donate stuff just goes to Wikimedia and their login stuff is broken. (The logo also seems to be the Wikipedia logo. This could be a trademark issue although since they're just proxying, I don't know.) Anyway my point is that in this particularly case the Wikimedia Foundation may be interested in what they're doing and may be willing and able to take action, so I'll let them know. Nil Einne (talk) 17:54, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- For clarity, by proxying I mean remote loading or a live mirror Meta:Meta:Live mirrors. Nil Einne (talk) 18:18, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, it's creepy, but there's lots of creepy garbage out there. I did try to edit a page (from inside an incognito window), and quickly got to a screen that said editing was blocked due to using an open proxy. The internet's not a nice place. Sometimes you just need to accept that and move on. -- RoySmith (talk) 19:42, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
mass deletion of pages created by a sockpuppet of Slowking4.
We are again here after a previous discussion. I have a couple of days ago, deleted over 500 pages created by checkuser confirmed LTA sockpuppets of Slowking4, all deleted under WP:G5. I have individually examined every page I deleted and tried not to delete pages where there were substantial edits (which was the case for about 12 of them, I may have made an occasional mistake). I do not consider page categorisations, improvement taggings, typo fixing, and similar edits as substantial, I have explicitly tried not to delete pages where additions or significant alterations to prose were made. I have not given the courtesy to the editors / bots that performed these unsubstantial edits that I was deleting these pages as is suggested by WP:BANREVERT.
I have done so under the strong opinion that when someone is banned, they are not supposed to edit. In my reading, that does not mean that if someone is banned and they edit anyway that we keep their edits.
I am offering these deletions here for review: deletions. My opinion is that leaving their material is what enables, or even encourages, this sock to continue socking. Am I too heavy handed in deleting all material by this sock, even if there are minor edits by others? --Dirk Beetstra T C 06:44, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
- The articles were poorly written and I'm not convinced that any of the actual writing was worth keeping or is worth undeleting. But some of them are nevertheless on topics that we should cover. Because they were all deleted suddenly and without warning, it has taken more effort than necessary just to figure out what was deleted and what of it might be worth re-creating with freshly-written and better content, as some of it already has. (Obviously, Beetstra's deletion log is available, but then one has to go through the articles in it one by one to figure out what they were about and separate the notable scientists from the obscure Cameroonian female volleyballers.) What was the hurry in deleting them that would have prevented putting up a notification somewhere of their being deleted, long enough in advance for interested editors to go through them more carefully? WP:BANREVERT says that even when edits are not substantial, it would be courteous to notify other editors of the articles of their impending deletion. What is the justification for failing to be as courteous as policy requests this time? —David Eppstein (talk) 07:05, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
- First of all .. where? This is a large variety of articles which turn out that one wikiproject (WP:WIR) takes the main shot off (though a wikiproject on sport would get hit similarly). I could have notified the one or two editors who seem to have gnomed most of the articles, but that is also not a good reference point for knowing whether some of these articles . I agree (secondly) that this time it was a humongous number of pages (mainly because of 1 sock), but I have been obliterating articles of this master before (there were something like 15 socks in October, some obliterated by the CheckUser who checks the SPI), though that generally were much smaller numbers of articles.
- I agree that many (if not all) of these articles are worth having, but I would still argue that we delete the old versions anyway, and then recreate from scratch. That can be done before the mass-deletion, but the effect would (should?) still be the same. --Dirk Beetstra T C 07:19, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
- Good deletions. Rather than investigate all of their banned sock edits for legal compliance, just delete the lot and let someone who doesn't have a years-long history of abusing non-free content create them from scratch if they're topics worth having articles about. This sort of circumstance is what we created G5 for. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:57, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
- My point is it's a lot easier to do what you say (create them from scratch if they're worth it) if we have advance warning of the deletions so that we can tell what is going to be deleted and in need of replacing. —David Eppstein (talk) 18:11, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, as DavidE says, it is very much more difficult to deal with the content in articles after they have been deleted--in particular, it is a multi-step process to even view them as distinct from a mouse-over. I regularly check speedy deleted articles, and in fact asked to become an admin in 2007 for this particular purpose; the community must have agreed it's a proper purpose, for I received an almost unanimous vote. . I do not think U5 should be done single-handed unless the content is complete garbage. There is much less chance of error when 2 admin agree. The practical rule for speedy is that nobody would reasonably object, and we see here that DavidE and I have both objected. DGG ( talk ) 18:23, 31 October 2019 (UTC)
- My point, which might have been lost, is that G5 is there so that when a banned user who is known to create problematic articles socks to create articles, we don't spend unnecessary time scrutinizing the likely-to-be-problematic articles. With this user in particular I would be disinclined to restore an article if another editor wanted to work on it, because there's a high probability it's a copyvio that would need to be revdeleted again anyway. I get what you're saying about review, though. Would it be helpful to be able to access a report of G5-deleted page titles? Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 13:25, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- "I agree that many (if not all) of these articles are worth having" ummm, then aren't you disrupting Wikipedia to illustrate a point? If you wouldn't send any of these articles to AfD, why would you speedy them? Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:15, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- Because they're created by a banned user, who is banned because most of what they do has been a copyright or NFCC violation. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:17, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- In that case, they should have been additionally tagged / deleted as G12 - then we would have not needed this discussion. I reviewed the discussion from last year, and note I said pretty much the same thing (hey, at least I'm consistent with my views) and signed off saying "In ten years' time, everyone will have forgotten about the editor, but the article will still be around for people to read, if they want to."Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:18, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- I'd note that a significant number of them, as well as being created by a banned user, are also recreations of some of User:Sander.v.Ginkel's BLPs, which were also deleted en masse as possible BLP violations after this ANI discussion in 2016. In the end though, we either have G5 or we don't - should we effectively be saying "yes, it's ok for a banned user to create articles with a sock, as long as they're on a subject that might be notable"? Black Kite (talk) 16:30, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- In that case, they should have been additionally tagged / deleted as G12 - then we would have not needed this discussion. I reviewed the discussion from last year, and note I said pretty much the same thing (hey, at least I'm consistent with my views) and signed off saying "In ten years' time, everyone will have forgotten about the editor, but the article will still be around for people to read, if they want to."Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 14:18, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- Because they're created by a banned user, who is banned because most of what they do has been a copyright or NFCC violation. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 14:17, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- I am very much of two minds here. I've dealt with Slowking before, blocked a few socks; I can't remember if I deleted sock articles of theirs--it's been a while. Beetstra has notified me of such socks in the past but again, it's been a while. On the one hand socking is tirritating and we should discourage it. On the other, deleting valid articles (or articles on valid topics) is certainly not a positive thing to do in the short term. The idea of G5 is at least in part to discourage socks (BAM SEE ITS GONE, IT WASN'T WORTH IT, GO AWAY)--but I've always doubted that anyone is discouraged by it. Slowking's article quality was so-so, as far as I remember, I guess it was OK; their block was not over article creation (it was over non-free content, not copyrighted text, AFAIK). That doesn't mean that Beetstra and Ivanvector are wrong in applying G5 and deleting: this is how the policy is written. Let's note that the only caveat is "no substantial edits by others"; usefulness or quality or whatever have no bearing on the matter, even if individual admins (including DGG and me) frequently don't delete useful content just because it would qualify as having been written by a sock.
I think we should probably talk about this at some point and maybe refine G5. We simply cannot ignore that some of that socked content has value. At the same time, let's not jump all over the admin who follows the letter of the policy and at least considers the spirit of the project by posting here. Drmies (talk) 16:33, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- Black Kite, thank you for that comment. That certainly matters, a lot. Drmies (talk) 16:34, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- Drmies, I am torn over the ‘don’t delete the useful articles’, if the CheckUser tool, my edit filters or other editors would have noticed earlier that useful content was not yet created (at least, by a sock). Equally, there is now content that they did not create yet. Banned means: your edits are NOT welcome. This sock is Ambivalent, but lets take this to the other extreme (which is a valid outcome of the suggestions above): a sock that only makes GA quality articles ... keeping all that basically nullifies your ban in that case. Are bans supposed to mean: ‘you are banned, but all your good content is welcome’? Dirk Beetstra T C 22:57, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- Actually, this is possibly even worse. Have a look at this (admins only I'm afraid). Mirela Bareš was originally created by Sander.v.Ginkel on 11 October 2015, which is also the "retrieved by" date on its only source. Per the Sander.v.Ginkel cleanup, it was moved to Draft:Mirela Bareš on 24 January 2017, and then deleted on 26 April 2017. The sock of Slowking4 re-created it four months later, on 24 August 2017, with exactly the same content right down to the "retrieved 11 October 2015" on the source. In other words, he copied all of these ex SvG articles whilst they were hanging around in draftspace waiting for cleanup (i.e. deletion), in order to drop them straight back into mainspace later on. This means that not only are they G5, but they're also
G12unattributed because the original authors aren't noted. Black Kite (talk) 16:50, 1 November 2019 (UTC)- Actually, G12 does not apply for any copying from free source, including Wikipedia. Instead {{CWW}} should be used.--GZWDer (talk) 17:37, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- Sorry, yes, you're right. Fixed. But nevertheless, we shouldn't be restoring any of these (they were, after all, subject to deletion by community consensus) and there's a lot of them. Black Kite (talk) 19:35, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- Actually, G12 does not apply for any copying from free source, including Wikipedia. Instead {{CWW}} should be used.--GZWDer (talk) 17:37, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- And now I'm digging further in. User:Beatley restored hundreds of Sander.v.Ginkel's BLPs during their career here before being blocked for disruptive editing; they just moved SvGs Draft articles back to mainspace and chucked in a hastily-searched-for source, regardless of how good it was (examples: Elena_Arifova, Dinara Aidarova, Paggy Kuttner. None of these pass GNG as they stand. To give you an idea of the problem, there were 2,154 articles in the SvG category "Female Volleyball Players" alone!). Now consider the unusual similarity between his editing timecard here and that of Slowking4's sock here. Another one? Almost certainly yes. Notably, like Slowking4, this editor also actually created a few non-problematic articles as well (mostly stubs, but mostly notable). This is ... a mess. Black Kite (talk) 20:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- I thought we have mass-deleted all Beatley's creations at the time they were blocked as a sock (when I still thought they are an editor in good standing, I gave them several warnings for recreation of SvG articles without sufficient scrutiny). If this has not been done, I suggest that we mass-delete all their creations. I am sure I sampled many of them, and the quality is consistently unacceptable.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:24, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- There are hundreds of them. Have a look here, and then keep scrolling. Black Kite (talk) 20:30, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- I make it approximately 1,500 articles. Black Kite (talk) 20:32, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- Pinging @Beetstra: as well. Black Kite (talk) 21:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- Black Kite, I note in Slowking4’s LTA that they work to undo the damage done by the community ... that is the Sander van Ginkel case they work on. For some time on one of the wikis, they used ‘Sander van Ginkel’s revenge’ in their signature.
- Yes, they make good content. But keeping it encourages them. And with the last sock I have noted that there is material that has sloppy attribution, I would not be surprised that there is still worse there. Dirk Beetstra T C 22:03, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- found it, one of their last edits on commons before they got blocked there. --Dirk Beetstra T C 22:17, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- And if I recall correctly, when I was rechecking my last deletions, some (or at least one) did have an older SvG history. --Dirk Beetstra T C 22:36, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- Of the first 20-odd ones I checked, at least five or six were SvG. And now we have another 1500+ articles that qualify for G5, most of which are probably in much the same problematic state that SvG left them, and I'm guessing that there are far more. Given that SvG's article creation ran to over 16,000 articles, It would not surprise me if there are more Slowking socks that we haven't unearthed yet. Black Kite (talk) 00:48, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Black Kite, throw anyone suspicious in my direction, and at SPI. I can ‘grade’ them, I know what to look for. Dirk Beetstra T C 05:16, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Of the first 20-odd ones I checked, at least five or six were SvG. And now we have another 1500+ articles that qualify for G5, most of which are probably in much the same problematic state that SvG left them, and I'm guessing that there are far more. Given that SvG's article creation ran to over 16,000 articles, It would not surprise me if there are more Slowking socks that we haven't unearthed yet. Black Kite (talk) 00:48, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Pinging @Beetstra: as well. Black Kite (talk) 21:06, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- I make it approximately 1,500 articles. Black Kite (talk) 20:32, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- There are hundreds of them. Have a look here, and then keep scrolling. Black Kite (talk) 20:30, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- I thought we have mass-deleted all Beatley's creations at the time they were blocked as a sock (when I still thought they are an editor in good standing, I gave them several warnings for recreation of SvG articles without sufficient scrutiny). If this has not been done, I suggest that we mass-delete all their creations. I am sure I sampled many of them, and the quality is consistently unacceptable.--Ymblanter (talk) 20:24, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
Just weighing in from seeing a related discussion at Women in Red. I have to say, as someone who worked on several CCI cases and having dealt for years with the ItsLassieTime LTA (and hundreds of CCI articles affected by them), I do oppose automatic mass deletion of articles simply because they were sockpuppet creations. We do need to use a case-by-case analysis. To say “let someone who doesn't have a years-long history of abusing non-free content create them from scratch if they're topics worth having articles about” is not helpful. I agree wholeheartedly that there needs to be notice, somewhere (project pages, etc.), as those of us with thousands of articles we’ve worked on may not have everything we ever wikignomed on our watchlists. An adequate-if-not-great article by a banned sock can be tagged for cleanup, it can have errors removed and reduced to a stub, it can be subject to BLP or CCI review. But “punishment” of a sock is cutting off our nose to spite our face. So they brag that they are a valuable contributor; so what? Many people object to a ban based upon their contributions, doesn’t keep them from being banned. We should only mass delete if the content itself is a mass problem. Focus on content not contributor. Montanabw(talk) 18:09, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Where we stand with the Sander.v.Ginkel re-creations
Out of the 16,096 BLP articles that SvG created, 5,374 are still in mainspace . The majority of these are absolutely fine - looking through a random selection, a number of good faith editors have "rescued" them - a number of names come up over and over again. To save a huge amount of work, what we really need is a list of which of those 5,374 were re-instated to mainspace by User:Beatley; so how do we do this? Black Kite (talk) 01:06, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Black Kite, if most of them are recreations of SvG articles ... start deleting from this list Note that earlier on I have not worked as drastic as recently, there may be other socks that still have creations. After working through this list, all remaining pages should be draftified and checked for copyvio. Then the rest should be a decent set to check if there are any missing socks. Dirk Beetstra T C 05:24, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- That list isn't really the issue although technically they're G5 if they haven't been touched by anyone else - they are articles actually created by Beatley. The bigger issue is the some 1500 articles which he recreated by moving them back to main space from draft. See my link above. Black Kite (talk) 11:35, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Black Kite, then they probably should be blanket moved back. Dirk Beetstra T C 11:55, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Depends. Some of them may have been edited and improved by other editors since. For example, Gabriella Souza. And most of them have been edited since, even if it's just a tag from a bot. Anyway, the list is here (just keep hitting "Next 500". Black Kite (talk) 13:01, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Black Kite, then they probably should be blanket moved back. Dirk Beetstra T C 11:55, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- That list isn't really the issue although technically they're G5 if they haven't been touched by anyone else - they are articles actually created by Beatley. The bigger issue is the some 1500 articles which he recreated by moving them back to main space from draft. See my link above. Black Kite (talk) 11:35, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Black Kite, can you list me some recreations. I do not get why I did not notice that there were recreations. Is it that these pages were moved to draft and then deleted, and then recreated in mainspace? In that case we should abandon or rethink that practice ... Dirk Beetstra T C 05:33, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- No - the SvG articles were all moved to draft to check them for copyvio etc. Beatley moved them back to mainspace before they could be checked, so they don't appear as new articles, just moves. Black Kite (talk) 11:35, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Black Kite, I did note that there were also recreations of SvG articles, and there may also be recreations in mainspace of deleted drafts ... I guess I have to dig. Dirk Beetstra T C 12:03, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, you see things like this. And there are very many. Black Kite (talk) 13:01, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Black Kite, so that is in line with my earlier observation of sloppy attribution (which goes here to the extreme of no attribution). Sigh. Not an easy taks to clean up, most of these are basically still SvG as by far most of them do not have significant additions. Dirk Beetstra T C 15:59, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, you see things like this. And there are very many. Black Kite (talk) 13:01, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Black Kite, I did note that there were also recreations of SvG articles, and there may also be recreations in mainspace of deleted drafts ... I guess I have to dig. Dirk Beetstra T C 12:03, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- No - the SvG articles were all moved to draft to check them for copyvio etc. Beatley moved them back to mainspace before they could be checked, so they don't appear as new articles, just moves. Black Kite (talk) 11:35, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- My suggestion would be to mass-delete all articles that after SvG were only touched by Beatley and possibly by bots (or edited with semi-automatic tools). Other probably would need to be inspected.--Ymblanter (talk) 10:24, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Agreed. So what we really need is a proper list, otherwise we're spending a lot of time on it. Black Kite (talk) 13:01, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- User:Aymatth2/SvG clean-up/Audit notes, specifically User:Aymatth2/SvG clean-up/Audit notes/Beatley moves, should be helpful here. — JJMC89 (T·C) 21:35, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Agreed. So what we really need is a proper list, otherwise we're spending a lot of time on it. Black Kite (talk) 13:01, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Just weighing in from seeing a related discussion at Women in Red. I have to say, as someone who worked on several CCI cases and having dealt for years with the ItsLassieTime LTA (and hundreds of CCI articles affected by them), I do oppose automatic mass deletion of articles simply because they were sockpuppet creations. We do need to use a case-by-case analysis. To say “let someone who doesn't have a years-long history of abusing non-free content create them from scratch if they're topics worth having articles about” is not helpful. I agree wholeheartedly that there needs to be notice, somewhere (project pages, etc.), as those of us with thousands of articles we’ve worked on may not have everything we ever wikignomed on our watchlists. An adequate-if-not-great article by a banned sock can be tagged for cleanup, it can have errors removed and reduced to a stub, it can be subject to BLP or CCI review. But “punishment” of a sock is cutting off our nose to spite our face. So they brag that they are a valuable contributor; so what? Many people object to a ban based upon their contributions, doesn’t keep them from being banned. We should only mass delete if the content itself is a mass problem. Focus on content not contributor. Montanabw(talk) 18:14, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- But we are not talking here about sockpuppet creations. We talk about articles which we created by another user (currently blocked) and were substandard. There was consensus of the community that these articles must be inspected and interested users should try to save them. Then, after some period, they were all deleted except for those which were indeed saved (meaning issues corrected). What the sock did was to mark some articles as saved without correcting issues (mainly BLP violations). My suggestion was to mass-delete these. There is already consensus that they must be deleted.--Ymblanter (talk) 18:39, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Montanabw Also, many editors combed through these articles looking for ones that were worth improving, as you can see from the fact that over 5,000 still survive. The ones we are talking about here are ones that circumvented a community decision via the machinations of a sock of a banned user. What we need to do now is (a) identify those reinstated by the sock (b) delete the ones that haven't since been improved. The encyclopedia is not helped by the existence of hundreds of one-line stubs that don't pass GNG as they stand (or, as per previously, may have copyvio issues). Black Kite (talk) 22:00, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- First I must repeat, most of subjects of SVG's output was not a problem. Those constantly accusing it as such are misleading the discussion. The problem was his copyvio habits. I have rescued many of those articles, the pace of rescuing is a lot slower than the blind, thoughtless process of hiding them in draft or deleting them. Casually looking at the list above, it is a confused mess, as have been the other lists of SVG articles. Its hard to look through and pick which articles are in my wheelhouse to rescue. It takes time. The list above can't even seem to distinguish between SVG created articles and a similar mass creation editor of the past, Darius Dhlomo, who's articles I have also had to rescue. These articles have a taint of their originator that lasts beyond the contributions of others including myself. We definitely need a list of which articles are still considered (by whatever powers that be) to be vulnerable so we can prioritize re-re-rescuing of these. How do we clear off the stink of the creator of the article? The vast majority of these articles are lesser known Olympic and World Championship participating athletes. Yes many are stubs and after removing the copyvio are poorly sourced, but the do serve a purpose. Years later, I've cross-referenced to such articles when the same subject turns up elsewhere. Its a good place to hand that information which would not even be noticeable if the original stub didn't exist. How many others could I have added to, had the name come up, because of the deletion and hiding, we will never know. And if other editors or experts in other sports or related fields were as diligent as I, we would be adding to the world's knowledge about these people. Building an encyclopedia. Remember, that's what we are doing here. Deleting otherwise non-controversial content is not productive to that goal. Trackinfo (talk) 23:30, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- You're missing some main points. First, the articles created by the Slowking sock User:Queen-washington had already been deleted by community consensus - the sock saved them off-line before they were deleted, and then simply re-created them without any changes. Next, the articles moved back from Draftspace by the Slowking sock User:Beatley, unlike the remainder of the SvG creations, were never checked because the process was circumvented by their removal. So, they may still have copyvio issues. Further, you say "Yes many are stubs and after removing the copyvio are poorly sourced, but they do serve a purpose." Well, that's simply not true - if there are BLPs that fail WP:GNG, we simply shouldn't have them. Worse, many of the articles, for example, are about volleyball players and are only sourced to a self-published website assembled by one sports fan. An example is Elena_Arifova - but SvG produced over 2,000 female volleyball player articles alone, and many of these are the ones "rescued" by the Slowking sock. It's OK to say "they can be rescued" - but how long is that going to take? - and in the meantime they sit there failing WP:BLPSPS and thus WP:BLP. That's another reason why they were moved out of mainspace in the first place. "Building an encyclopedia" should not include letting dubiously-sourced BLPs sit around in mainspace, and more pertinently we should never suggest that is is perfectly OK to let banned users edit if they are "producing content". That makes a nonsense of having any such things as blocks and bans. Black Kite (talk) 00:04, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
- You like broad sweeping approaches to accomplish this mass deletion of content. No thought, just prejudice it on who created it, they must be a liar. I don't know the source you cast aspersions upon, but I have watched similar prejudice cause a groundswell of negative opinion to attempt to and occasionally succeed in wiping out other legitimate content. Again based on my survey of SVG created content, almost all of it would stand up to the scrutiny of WP:NSPORTS, which understandably is based on the assumption the content for someone fitting said definition should meet WP:GNG. You sidestep the process by suggesting they don't meet GNG. I don't claim SVG did good work, nor the socks who perpetuated it. But we have WP:BEFORE to execute before you delete. Any editor worth their google should be able to find corroborating sources for someone of that stature. So try. If you have 2,000 volleyball player articles, then volleyball experts should be involved to determine if any of the content is worthless. They will know where the international sources are. I will take on any for an athletics subject, though they should be done already. Are you an expert in the field? If not, YOU DON'T KNOW. Some of the best sport specific sources might ultimately turn out to be one guy with a blog. Some do a better job of masking it. Look further and that SPS, as you would accuse, is actually the leading expert on the subject. I've seen the media of the international sports governing bodies called SPS and that name calling has been successfully used to delete content. Our AfD process sucks because because you have a steady stream of deletionist "me too" voters. Since we are talking about international athletes, you might need to go to their local news sources to find the kind of content that should be there about their career that set the stage for the World level appearance often noted by SVG. And when you find those sources, it might not look like a WP:RS. When you get to countries that, bagging on the stupidity of my own country, most Americans couldn't locate on a map, the main newspaper, the primary news sources coming out of that country might be Facebook or Twitter or other freebie service. You have to try, you have to look, you have to think. If you don't think, all these massive deletion ideas, however you phrase them are thought less. Trackinfo (talk) 02:18, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for assuming bad faith of everyone who doesn't agree with you. "But we have WP:BEFORE to execute before you delete.". Well, we actually don't have BEFORE to execute here - that's for PROD and AFD, whilst all of these articles can be deleted under WP:CSD#G5 because they were recreated by Slowking4 socks. But regardless, should we do that? Now if this was a small number of articles, then yes, it won't take long and it's probably worth doing. But we don't have a small number of articles here, and we have BLP to think about. So what do we do? "Any editor worth their google should be able to find corroborating sources for someone of that stature." Well, for what it's worth, I did actually try to find other sources for a number of the volleyball players. I did ten, in fact. I found a number of sources for one of them, and I'll fix her article when I have time. I found a few sources for three of the others, but mostly of the list type that merely prove they are a volleyball player. For the remaining six - nothing apart from Wikipedia mirrors. But hey, as you say, I'm not an expert. The problem is that what SvG originally did was obviously this - he found lists of the country squads for volleyball championships. He then created hundreds of identical articles with "*name* is a volleyball player. They were a member of *country* squad at the *year* championships. They played for *local team*". He added the (dubious) source. And that's it. No-one is saying that all of these articles are worthless; they're clearly not. My suggestion is that the ones recreated by Slowking4 socks be dropped back to draft to be checked, which is what happened the first time round with SvG. And then we're not in danger of losing anything useful. Black Kite (talk) 03:13, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
- If you are not here to delete the content good step 1. Step 2, put it in a form it can be found, a list of draft articles made from SVG content. If they are all volleyball players, even add that keyword to the title of the list so it can be recognized by future editors. When these names come up in future competitions, hopefully a future editor will be able to tie the two together. What I saw of the list mentioned above is a garble of thousands of names with no reference to what they are. Perhaps they can be categorized into a useful list. The old lists contain the thousands of rescued names mixed in with the drafts and redirects and a confusing mess that makes it overwhelming; difficult for editors to tackle. These need to be done one by one, but which one do you do first? Here's an out of the box idea, set up an automated process to tell us how many google hits a particular name gets. A name with 3 FB hits might not be that notable of a person. 3,000 hits, maybe this deserves some attention. Most important, if an article is vulnerable to deletion, lets put that into a place where it can be addressed first. Even easier, add a category so it will show up as an edit in the article. I think I watch the articles I have rescued, at least most of them. I want to know if my work is potentially going to be deleted, just because somewhere along the line a tainted editor once touched the article. Whatever the rationale, don't use a sneaky speedy to mass-delete content behind our backs. Trackinfo (talk) 06:00, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
- Thank you for assuming bad faith of everyone who doesn't agree with you. "But we have WP:BEFORE to execute before you delete.". Well, we actually don't have BEFORE to execute here - that's for PROD and AFD, whilst all of these articles can be deleted under WP:CSD#G5 because they were recreated by Slowking4 socks. But regardless, should we do that? Now if this was a small number of articles, then yes, it won't take long and it's probably worth doing. But we don't have a small number of articles here, and we have BLP to think about. So what do we do? "Any editor worth their google should be able to find corroborating sources for someone of that stature." Well, for what it's worth, I did actually try to find other sources for a number of the volleyball players. I did ten, in fact. I found a number of sources for one of them, and I'll fix her article when I have time. I found a few sources for three of the others, but mostly of the list type that merely prove they are a volleyball player. For the remaining six - nothing apart from Wikipedia mirrors. But hey, as you say, I'm not an expert. The problem is that what SvG originally did was obviously this - he found lists of the country squads for volleyball championships. He then created hundreds of identical articles with "*name* is a volleyball player. They were a member of *country* squad at the *year* championships. They played for *local team*". He added the (dubious) source. And that's it. No-one is saying that all of these articles are worthless; they're clearly not. My suggestion is that the ones recreated by Slowking4 socks be dropped back to draft to be checked, which is what happened the first time round with SvG. And then we're not in danger of losing anything useful. Black Kite (talk) 03:13, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
- You like broad sweeping approaches to accomplish this mass deletion of content. No thought, just prejudice it on who created it, they must be a liar. I don't know the source you cast aspersions upon, but I have watched similar prejudice cause a groundswell of negative opinion to attempt to and occasionally succeed in wiping out other legitimate content. Again based on my survey of SVG created content, almost all of it would stand up to the scrutiny of WP:NSPORTS, which understandably is based on the assumption the content for someone fitting said definition should meet WP:GNG. You sidestep the process by suggesting they don't meet GNG. I don't claim SVG did good work, nor the socks who perpetuated it. But we have WP:BEFORE to execute before you delete. Any editor worth their google should be able to find corroborating sources for someone of that stature. So try. If you have 2,000 volleyball player articles, then volleyball experts should be involved to determine if any of the content is worthless. They will know where the international sources are. I will take on any for an athletics subject, though they should be done already. Are you an expert in the field? If not, YOU DON'T KNOW. Some of the best sport specific sources might ultimately turn out to be one guy with a blog. Some do a better job of masking it. Look further and that SPS, as you would accuse, is actually the leading expert on the subject. I've seen the media of the international sports governing bodies called SPS and that name calling has been successfully used to delete content. Our AfD process sucks because because you have a steady stream of deletionist "me too" voters. Since we are talking about international athletes, you might need to go to their local news sources to find the kind of content that should be there about their career that set the stage for the World level appearance often noted by SVG. And when you find those sources, it might not look like a WP:RS. When you get to countries that, bagging on the stupidity of my own country, most Americans couldn't locate on a map, the main newspaper, the primary news sources coming out of that country might be Facebook or Twitter or other freebie service. You have to try, you have to look, you have to think. If you don't think, all these massive deletion ideas, however you phrase them are thought less. Trackinfo (talk) 02:18, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
- You're missing some main points. First, the articles created by the Slowking sock User:Queen-washington had already been deleted by community consensus - the sock saved them off-line before they were deleted, and then simply re-created them without any changes. Next, the articles moved back from Draftspace by the Slowking sock User:Beatley, unlike the remainder of the SvG creations, were never checked because the process was circumvented by their removal. So, they may still have copyvio issues. Further, you say "Yes many are stubs and after removing the copyvio are poorly sourced, but they do serve a purpose." Well, that's simply not true - if there are BLPs that fail WP:GNG, we simply shouldn't have them. Worse, many of the articles, for example, are about volleyball players and are only sourced to a self-published website assembled by one sports fan. An example is Elena_Arifova - but SvG produced over 2,000 female volleyball player articles alone, and many of these are the ones "rescued" by the Slowking sock. It's OK to say "they can be rescued" - but how long is that going to take? - and in the meantime they sit there failing WP:BLPSPS and thus WP:BLP. That's another reason why they were moved out of mainspace in the first place. "Building an encyclopedia" should not include letting dubiously-sourced BLPs sit around in mainspace, and more pertinently we should never suggest that is is perfectly OK to let banned users edit if they are "producing content". That makes a nonsense of having any such things as blocks and bans. Black Kite (talk) 00:04, 3 November 2019 (UTC)
- First I must repeat, most of subjects of SVG's output was not a problem. Those constantly accusing it as such are misleading the discussion. The problem was his copyvio habits. I have rescued many of those articles, the pace of rescuing is a lot slower than the blind, thoughtless process of hiding them in draft or deleting them. Casually looking at the list above, it is a confused mess, as have been the other lists of SVG articles. Its hard to look through and pick which articles are in my wheelhouse to rescue. It takes time. The list above can't even seem to distinguish between SVG created articles and a similar mass creation editor of the past, Darius Dhlomo, who's articles I have also had to rescue. These articles have a taint of their originator that lasts beyond the contributions of others including myself. We definitely need a list of which articles are still considered (by whatever powers that be) to be vulnerable so we can prioritize re-re-rescuing of these. How do we clear off the stink of the creator of the article? The vast majority of these articles are lesser known Olympic and World Championship participating athletes. Yes many are stubs and after removing the copyvio are poorly sourced, but the do serve a purpose. Years later, I've cross-referenced to such articles when the same subject turns up elsewhere. Its a good place to hand that information which would not even be noticeable if the original stub didn't exist. How many others could I have added to, had the name come up, because of the deletion and hiding, we will never know. And if other editors or experts in other sports or related fields were as diligent as I, we would be adding to the world's knowledge about these people. Building an encyclopedia. Remember, that's what we are doing here. Deleting otherwise non-controversial content is not productive to that goal. Trackinfo (talk) 23:30, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Montanabw Also, many editors combed through these articles looking for ones that were worth improving, as you can see from the fact that over 5,000 still survive. The ones we are talking about here are ones that circumvented a community decision via the machinations of a sock of a banned user. What we need to do now is (a) identify those reinstated by the sock (b) delete the ones that haven't since been improved. The encyclopedia is not helped by the existence of hundreds of one-line stubs that don't pass GNG as they stand (or, as per previously, may have copyvio issues). Black Kite (talk) 22:00, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Atttract user on talk page
- Awesome Aasim (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Jjj1238 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
2 editors, one is newest editor they're try to attract me on my talk page everyday, can any Admin check this situation? or have any advice how to do about this that they didnt stop to try to attract me.--Evrdkmkm (talk) 03:18, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- OP blocked x 24 hrs for disruptive editing. This is starting to look like a serious WP:CIR fail. Courtesy ping Drmies. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:54, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oh, that editor. Yeah. Drmies (talk) 14:43, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- And I guess this report was merely retributive. "Weaponizing ANI" I think it's called. ——SN54129 15:14, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- User:Serial Number 54129, indeed. Do you have any suggestions? All I seem to be able to do is thrown around blocks, and if I suggest someone might get blocked if they continue, they just continue and then get blocked. Drmies (talk) 16:21, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- OP blocked x 24 hrs for disruptive editing. This is starting to look like a serious WP:CIR fail. Courtesy ping Drmies. -Ad Orientem (talk) 04:54, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- Perhaps I'm just an idiot, because this took me some time to figure out, but to save other idiots some confusion: The OP means "attack". --Floquenbeam (talk) 15:26, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- Ah, what a shame, I had almost thought this to have become an ANI report because another user wasn't attracted to this one. What an ironic case of WP:CIR. -Yeetcetera @me bro 16:44, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- WP:Companionship Is Required...? ——SN54129 17:05, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- Some users just need a hug. Alternatively: WikiDate: collaboratively find love! Notable love only, please provide reliable sources. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 17:14, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- WP:Companionship Is Required...? ——SN54129 17:05, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- Floquenbeam, Now I'm confused. I thought OP was "Original Poster"??? — Ched (talk) 21:03, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- Ched, yes. Evrdkmkm, who opened the thread, said
they're try to attract me on my talk page
but meantthey're try[ing] to [attack] me on my talk page
. --AntiCompositeNumber (talk) 22:56, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- Ched, yes. Evrdkmkm, who opened the thread, said
- Ah, what a shame, I had almost thought this to have become an ANI report because another user wasn't attracted to this one. What an ironic case of WP:CIR. -Yeetcetera @me bro 16:44, 1 November 2019 (UTC)
- I'm not a big fan of CIR blocks as there is no way to not sound insulting. But setting aside all of the other issues, this editor's command of English really does beg the question of their basic ability to contribute constructively. -Ad Orientem (talk) 00:10, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
- Ad Orientem I agree, but the other alternative isn't much kinder (WP:DNFTT). The option I can think of is a 3-6 month block and just be plain about it, that they need to have a better command of the language to contribute here. I'm hesitant to suggest simple.wiki because I don't think we want to push our problems off on to a sister project. On a personal level - you could put it off and I'm sure another admin. with a more ... analytical viewpoint will do the block. — Ched (talk) 18:43, 2 November 2019 (UTC)
Block IP 548549
Block to 2a02:a44e:622b:1:9420:c2ca:43f:e1f3. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Viampira (talk • contribs) 11:52, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- You've already reported this IP to Wikipedia:Administrator intervention against vandalism. There is no need to duplicate it here. Thank you. -- Ed (Edgar181) 11:56, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
Changes to CheckUser team (Beeblebrox)
By motion, the Arbitration Committee restores the CheckUser permission to Beeblebrox (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log).
Support: GorillaWarfare, Joe Roe, KrakatoaKatie, Mkdw, Worm That Turned
Oppose: None
Not voting: AGK, Opabinia regalis, Premeditated Chaos
Davide King unblock request
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Hi all, would someone please take a look at this unblock request 
User_talk:Davide_King#Unblock_request_(14_October_2019). It's been in the queue for a few months. I personally endorse the unblock but have worked with the editor before and requested a third party to review. The editor is here to collaborate productively but appears to be caught in a bureaucratic wormhole. (Please centralize discussion on that talk page.) Thanks, czar 14:26, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- User Davide King's edits are mostly helpful. Therefore, I think it’s worth unblocking him. Yours sincerely, Гармонический Мир (talk) 18:27, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
I'm leaning toward unblocking for, granted, a third chance for this user, but will confer with the blocking admin first. El_C 02:10, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
A user must be blocked
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I noticed that this user has done nothing other than vandalizing articles randomly. For instance, this edit proves that they want nothing but bad contribution to this website. 183.109.17.172 (talk) 10:38, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
- Blocked by Materialscientist. Thank you for reporting this, but it's best to report vandals to WP:AIV. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 11:59, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Request to create redirects
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I've created Les Bicots-nègres, vos voisins. Could someone with admin perms create redirects from the various English-language translations of the title which can be found in Google Books: Arabs and Niggers, Your Neighbours, Niggers and Arabs, Your Neighbours, Arabs and Niggers, Your Neighbors, The Niggers Next Door, Your Neighbours the Niggers. Dsp13 (talk) 00:44, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Can someone tell me if the content added in this hidden diff is still in Jagannath?
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Here. It's required for this CCI I'm working on. Thanks, 💵Money💵emoji💵Talk💸Help out at CCI! 15:05, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Money emoji: I'm not seeing any of that text in the current revision. — xaosflux Talk 15:26, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Block Elmaqah
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Hi I want to an admin to block Elmaqah. It was an account that I created in my early days in Wikipedia, when I got signed off from Wikipedia (for an unknown reason) and I forgot my password, I created that account, I was not aware of sock policy and I didn’t use it wrongly. I made 8 edits with it and when I remembered my password I returned back to this account and I never made any edit using Elmaqah again.
- Elmaqah's edits
- 17 November 2018 (2 edits)
- 18 November 2018 (1 edit)
- 19 November 2018 (1 edit)
- 21 November 2018 (1 edit)
- 6 December 2018 (2 edits)
- 7 December 2018 (1 edit)
- 6 days and 8 edits
During that time I was not able to login my account and my last edit there before I got signed off and I forgot my password was in 13 November 2018 and after I was able to login my account and I remembered my password I made an edit in 11 December 2018(check) since then I never made any edit using Elmaqah account. Also I wasn’t blocked that time.(check)
- --SharabSalam (talk) 20:10, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
- @SharabSalam: Can you log in to that account and add
{{User alternative account|SharabSalam}}to its user page, in order to verify this request? ST47 (talk) 20:34, 14 November 2019 (UTC)- ST47, Done. I am not going to use Elmaqah again so I dont need it.--SharabSalam (talk) 20:41, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
- And done. ST47 (talk) 20:43, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
- Thanks!--SharabSalam (talk) 20:45, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
- And done. ST47 (talk) 20:43, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
- ST47, Done. I am not going to use Elmaqah again so I dont need it.--SharabSalam (talk) 20:41, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
- @SharabSalam: Can you log in to that account and add
Vandalism-only account
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This is in regards to User:Sock Twister. Doesn't seem to have made any constructive edits and has continued disruption in spite of a previous warning.
Alivardi (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 21:24, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
- Blocked. For future reference you can report users who should be blocked for vandalism to WP:AIV. Hut 8.5 21:31, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Editor with a COI states they will not "fill out your forms"
User talk:Königubu had not responded to requests at his talk page so I told him at Talk:CJ Hopkins that he needed to comply with WP:PAID. Their reply was "'.I have no interest in filling out your forms. I've made my "connection to the subject" clear, several times now, and have ceased adding factual information to the subject's page, as you requested. But go ahead and ban me if you want to prevent me from correcting misrepresentations of facts related to the subject on this talk page". I can't see any other option but to block them, but to avoid them claiming I'm biased against Hopkins I think another Admin should decide whether to block. To clarify, this editor is acting on behalf of Hopkins, who has published an attack on editors editing his page. Doug Weller talk 17:31, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
- If the connection is as clear as they state, then we can add in the COI/{{paid}}/{{connected contributor (paid)}} tags; all we need is a diff to point to as verification. I'm only about halfway through Talk:CJ Hopkins but it does appear that they at least recognize they have a COI and have stopped editing the article. Primefac (talk) 17:48, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
- Well, technically, WP:PAID says,
You must disclose...
(my emphasis). Us adding a template to their user page is a accusation. What the TOU requires is a disclosure. Not the same thing. -- RoySmith (talk) 17:59, 10 November 2019 (UTC)- Right, if they have disclosed (whether using a template or not) then we should be satisfied. I didn't see them do that explicitly but I only did a quick search of the talk page linked above. My point was that if they have done a disclosure-without-template, then we can add in that template ("filling out the form" as they say) and link to the diff where they disclosed. Primefac (talk) 18:09, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
- FWIW: this is the only diff I can find that comes close to acknowledging a conflict, but it doesn't say anything about paid editing, and the user is actually claiming to be an account run by more than one person. I sort of doubt that consentfactory.org actually has one person, much less multiple paid staffers dedicated to supervising Wikipedia pages. Whatever the nature of the conflict is, the editor hasn't been forthright about it on Wikipedia yet. Nblund talk 18:12, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
- Update: the editor has denied paid editing. Nblund talk 18:16, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
- One can have a COI without being paid for it. Roy, would you consider the first diff Nblund gave as being enough for a {{connected contributor}} attribution? Primefac (talk) 18:17, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
- I'm going to respectfully decline to answer that. I consider people using wikipedia to promote their commercial interests to be antithetical to our mission. As such, I don't think it's the place of volunteers to drag people, kicking and screaming, into compliance with our policies, so we can justify their continued abuse. -- RoySmith (talk) 18:44, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
- One can have a COI without being paid for it. Roy, would you consider the first diff Nblund gave as being enough for a {{connected contributor}} attribution? Primefac (talk) 18:17, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
- Right, if they have disclosed (whether using a template or not) then we should be satisfied. I didn't see them do that explicitly but I only did a quick search of the talk page linked above. My point was that if they have done a disclosure-without-template, then we can add in that template ("filling out the form" as they say) and link to the diff where they disclosed. Primefac (talk) 18:09, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
- Well, technically, WP:PAID says,
I've blocked them. The lack of disclosure is kind of beside the point, since they're a single-purpose account only here to disruptively 'patrol' the article on Hopkins' behalf, and they've had plenty of warnings. But for what it's worth this page (which Königubu linked to on Talk:CJ Hopkins) describes their "job title" as "in-house Wikipedia Liaison". If someone also wants to add some COI tags that's fine by me, but as Roy says, it's not our job to enable disruptive editors. – Joe (talk) 19:38, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
Copyvios from Dutchy85
I just reverted this copyvio this user added to The Errol Flynn Theatre. This user has over 60,000 edits and has received many warnings for copyvios over the years, and received an indefinite block last year for copyvios. Despite being unblocked then, they seem to still not understand wikipedia's policy on copyright. I feel bad suggesting this, but I believe an ideffinte block is necessary and a contributor copyright investigation may have to be opened.💵Money💵emoji💵Talk💸Help out at CCI! 22:47, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
- I have reviewed the copyvio edit, as well as some of this user's history, and decided to indef block Dutch85 to prevent further damage to the project. Discussion can (and probably should) continue here regarding what to do with this user long-term. It doesn't seem likely to me that they will ever stop adding copyrighted material to articles. (Also, WP:ANI might be a more appropriate venue for this discussion.) ‑Scottywong| [confer] || 01:45, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
History merge needed
Would someone kindly do a history merge of Los Rios District into Los Rios Historic District? These were duplicative articles about the same subject. I've merged all the material from the former into the latter, but the histories need to be merged Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:15, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- Nope, it's not needed here ... history merges are only for *strict* cut-and-paste moves where the entire content of one page has been moved by cut and paste to a second page, not page merges. Graham87 06:03, 8 November 2019 (UTC)
- Please look again, a complete cut-and-paste move was made from Los Rios District to Los Rios Street Historic District, then, when I realized that the actual name of the district is "Los Rios Historic District" (i.e. no "Street"), I moved the resulting article to Los Rios Historic District. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:37, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Could you provide a diff showing this complete cut-and-paste move? I've searched the histories of both pages during the time they existed at the same time and I can find no such thing. The diff would appear something like this, but obviously not with those particular revisions. A diff showing a complete cut-and-paste move would show gvery little or no change. Graham87 05:54, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
- Removal of material from Los Rios District:
- Addition of material to Los Rios Street Historic District:
- Beyond My Ken (talk) 17:57, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- So the diff you get by combining the last version of "Los Rios District" and the first post-merge one of "Los Rios Historic District" is, as I thought, this one ... nope, no history merge needed, as it's a normal page merge. You can always ask at the actual place for these requests, but I'm pretty sure you'll get the same response. Graham87 06:33, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
I wonder if there's some confusion on the part of User:Beyond My Ken here.
AFAIK, when we talk about a cut and paste move, we mean that someone cut the entire content from one page and pasted it in another page with no real history. Either a redirect or one they just created. For example, if I decide that 2019 Cotabato earthquakes should be called 2019 Mindanao earthquakes, and cut all the content from the former page and paste it into the latter page while turning the former into a redirect to the latter, then this is a cut and paste move. If no one notices and immediately reverts, then we have a problem since editors are going to start editing the 2019 Mindanao earthquakes page. Edit history for this article will now be on two pages, 2019 Mindanao earthquakes and 2019 Cotabato earthquakes. This edit history needs to merged.
OTOH, if I create 2019 Mindanao earthquakes not realising that 2019 Cotabato earthquakes exists and edit it and some other editors find my article and also edit it. Meanwhile other editors continue to edit 2019 Cotabato earthquakes. Eventually someone notices and merges the content. Regardless of whether they cut and paste any of the content, this is still not a cut and paste move. It's a normal merge and does not need a history merge since it will create more confusion. Instead it just needs to be properly noted what happened (preferably in the edit history of both pages and via a template in both talk pages) per WP:Copying within Wikipedia to comply with the licence terms and for fairness to all contributors.
By the same token if I create an article 31 October 2019 Cotabato earthquake and me and a bunch of other editors expand it greatly. Meanwhile no one adds anything to the 2019 Cotabato earthquakes article about the 31 October. Eventually someone comes along and points out there's no need for the 31 October 2019 article, and all the content is cut and pasted verbatim into the 2019 Cotobato earthquakes article since there's nothing there on the part of the 31 October 2019 earthquake. Again, although the content was cut and pasted even completely cut and pasted, this is merge. It's not a cut and paste move. You could call it a cut and paste merge if you want although that risks causing unnecessary confusion IMO. Regardless, it does not need a history merge as again that just creates unnecessary confusion. Instead properly note what happened in each article. AFAIK even if there was zero change to the 2019 Cotabato earthquakes between the period the 31 October article was created until the content was merged, it still considered better not to perform a history merge. It will still confuse editors why the content on all the other earthquakes suddenly disappeared while the 31 October earthquake was worked on, then came back later.
Nil Einne (talk) 04:46, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oh I should note that in some cases someone tries to revert a cut and paste move, but doesn't entirely succeed or maybe someone else partially reverts them. And now people are working on 2 different articles about the same thing but in this case, what started as one article with one edit history is now two articles on the same thing with 2 distinctive edit history from that point forth. In that case while it is a cut and paste move attempt, it can be complicated what to do. It depends a lot on how much editing there was in the interim in each article and admin discretion etc AFAIK. Nil Einne (talk) 04:54, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- So the diff you get by combining the last version of "Los Rios District" and the first post-merge one of "Los Rios Historic District" is, as I thought, this one ... nope, no history merge needed, as it's a normal page merge. You can always ask at the actual place for these requests, but I'm pretty sure you'll get the same response. Graham87 06:33, 10 November 2019 (UTC)
- I didn't expect the Spanish Inquisition.
- Could you provide a diff showing this complete cut-and-paste move? I've searched the histories of both pages during the time they existed at the same time and I can find no such thing. The diff would appear something like this, but obviously not with those particular revisions. A diff showing a complete cut-and-paste move would show gvery little or no change. Graham87 05:54, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
- Please look again, a complete cut-and-paste move was made from Los Rios District to Los Rios Street Historic District, then, when I realized that the actual name of the district is "Los Rios Historic District" (i.e. no "Street"), I moved the resulting article to Los Rios Historic District. Beyond My Ken (talk) 00:37, 9 November 2019 (UTC)
Backlog
There is currently a backlog at WP:RFP/R, ten requests (including my own) there haven't received a response yet. I would very much appreciate it if any admin could take a look at this! TheAwesomeHwyh 04:22, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- Now cleared by Beeblebrox and me, but please do not forget to check this page from time to time.--Ymblanter (talk) 08:28, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
Block review requested
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- BongBing321 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Nick Fuentes (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
Can someone please review my block of this user? As the user is editing on American Politics, I'd like a second opinion (and feel free to unblock if you feel it is appropriate). I primarily blocked for the REVDELed edit but also the repeated non-RS edits. I felt this was clear cut enough, but I figured it best to check with others. EvergreenFir (talk) 04:10, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- If anything, it was too lenient. I've up'd the duration to indefinite. El_C 04:15, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- @El C: Well! Thank you! EvergreenFir (talk) 04:19, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Amtrak Sunset Limited Sections Deleted
The Amtrak Sunset Limited sections dealing with railroad subdivisions and cities served were deleted without my knowledge or warning. What I wrote on the edit was factual based on several sources, that I did quote. I wrote these section yesterday Monday November 11, 2019, this is Tuesday November 12, 2019. The work I put nearly five hours in to assure accuracy was erased. This is censorship of someones work that actually cared about accuracy and factual information. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ericabaker63 (talk • contribs) 12:09, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- The page in question appears to be Sunset Limited. This appears to be run of the mill editing stuff. I'd suggest you raise your concerns at Talk:Sunset Limited, and find a consensus. I'd also suggest that it's important to remember Wikipedia is a collaboratively written project, and engaging with hostility, accusing people of censorship, and the like, usually leads to poor outcomes. The edits remain in the history, so nothing has been "lost". WilyD 12:42, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Slow edit war and challenge to my posted warnings
- Cresscoriander (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- The Drover's Wife (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sustainable Australia (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Cresscoriander, a relatively new editor, posted this edit to The Teahouse, complaining about being reverted. I checked the editors contributions, and found that s/hen was in a slow edit war on Sustainable Australia with The Drover's Wife, an experienced editor.
I created Talk:Sustainable Australia#Edit war with this edit after doing some claenup on the talk page, restoring a comment improperly deleted. Cresscoriander has not posted since. The Drover's Wife reverted once more on the article, and posted to the talk page calling my intervention "not helpful". We had some back and forth, in which TDW said that my comments (including a mention of the possibility of a block for continued edit-warring was "disruptive" and nearly the same as doign paid editing myself.
I ask that one or more other admins review the situation and indicate if they think I am being heavy-handed or otherwise out of line. I think it is well known that I am not the quickest admin with the block button, but anyone can make a mistke, and perhaps I have. I will notify the editors mentioned promptly. DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 03:37, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- We've had long-running problems for years with minor Australian political parties attempting to write their own articles. It's extremely frustrating for regular Wikipedians, because the people trying to do it are invariably more invested in "I want to promote myself" than we are with "actually, you shouldn't be trying to use Wikipedia to promote yourselves". It's disingenuously portrayed as edit warring, as if the person trying to do the self-promotion and the Wikipedian trying to get them not to have completely equally reasonable positions. I don't actually get anything out of trying to stop self-promotion besides a desire to try and keep the quality up on a broad topic I've spent thousands of hours working on. And this kind of attitude has consequences - we've suffered immense editor burnout in this general area, in no small part because these situations (of which we're up to at least twenty involving different parties over time) are so damn tiring to resolve - editors know that if they try to stop this stuff, the self-promoters won't stop, admins won't back them up and will just label it an edit war like it's a content dispute, and they'll get...what, for all their trouble? There is a direct connection between this kind of use of administrative tools and self-promotional editing being left untouched on a large scale. The Drover's Wife (talk) 03:55, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
@DESiegel: Hi DESiegel, in regards to the comment I deleted on the talk page, I did so because it was unsigned, and I thought it was politically charged and unhelpful. I have since read the talk page guidelines which (I think) you shared and I see that this is a grey area. Thats fine, no issue I'll leave it if thats what you think should be done. In regards to the "slow edit war" and TDW, I'm certainly not trying to engage in any sort of war, merely improve a page but obviously TDW has issues with what I have done. I'll address those issues on the Sustainable Australia talk page. Cresscoriander (talk) 04:16, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- Cresscoriander do you understand that your repeated reverts ( ) on the article Sustainable Australia constituted edit warring, and were not justified, particularly when you mad no attempt to raise whatever you felt were the issues here on the article talk page? DES (talk)DESiegel Contribs 06:22, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- DESiegel I am understanding the concept of edit warring more fully now. I just meant to convey that it was not my intent to engage in an edit war. I thought because I had provided a sensible rationale for my edits and that TDW had not provided any for her reversions that my behaviour was ok. I understand that the way forward is to engage in a discussion on the talk page to reach consensus and that's what I will do. TDW is alleging my edits to be COI and self promotion - I'm not sure where this is coming from. I believe my edits to adhere strongly to the NPOV principle. I would absolutely welcome further input from more experienced wikipedia editors on my edits, and TDW's reversions.Cresscoriander (talk) 23:34, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
Offensive edit summary by IP vandal
Can someone please delete this edit summary I found yesterday on the Rape (disambiguation) page, which is highly offensive and disturbing. It's strange (in my opinion) that the ClueBot did not come across this before. Thanks. CycloneYoris talk! 17:32, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- Done. If you see more of this, let me know. Going by the logs, I've cleaned up after this vandal before. What a pain. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 18:01, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- Sure thing, thanks again! CycloneYoris talk! 18:09, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
Bullying IP users
- CentralTime301 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Spicyeater2005 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
CentralTime301, a relatively experienced user started out by reverting this edit saying its a joke edit. Even when evidence is provided for the name change by another IP, the user claims its "not true" without providing his/her own source to prove otherwise. Do not that the link provided is the official youtube page of iQiyi, the show's official streaming platform. This user is obviously over-stepping his rights as an editor (by trying to act like an admin) and bullying ip address users and threatening them with vandalism notices to scare them off. 41.204.44.162 (talk) 17:36, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- No comment on the edits, but nothing CentralTime301 did was "trying to act like an admin" - they posted warning templates to a talk page, which is perfectly normal for non-admins. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 19:46, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
What? I thought it was vandalism. Cheers! CentralTime301 17:37, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
IP address has been reporting me
An IP address has been reporting me just because I bullied an IP; I thought it was vandalism. Cheers! CentralTime301 17:39, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- User:CentralTime301 that edit that you reverted wasn't a joke edit at all. Looking at your talk page I see a prior run in with an IP specifically the note on your page entitled "Please, leave edits from this academic editor in place". That doesn't look promising, nor does the rest of your talk page. Necromonger...We keep what we kill 19:31, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- Sequence of events:
- CentralTime301 reverted an IP's edit to Xu Kai thinking it to be vandalism, though it wasn't.
- A second IP happened to notice this action by CentralTime301 and reported them at WP:AIV for vandalism. This wasn't a correct report of vandalism and it was declined.
- Since the AIV report failed, the first IP came here to create a report called "Bullying IP users" which we are reading now. This complaint should also be declined.
- CentralTime301 went to WP:RFPP to ask for their user page to be protected, on the grounds they were about to switch to a new account. "I am going to move to a new account, because the CentralTime301 page is gonna be protected fully to prevent edits. Just so I can move to spicyeater2005." At first sight this might appear to be abuse of multiple accounts, but it's not. I recommend this complaint be closed with no action. I wish CentralTime301 good luck in their future career but they should be sure to ask experienced editors for advice whenever they are uncertain. EdJohnston (talk) 23:04, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- CT has put up a number of AfDs where WP:BEFORE wasn't done though (along with one blank nomination), and I warned them that continuing to do so would draw community scrutiny and distrust of future noms as a "boy crying wolf". This, along with the blanking of the CT user talk page (including my messages warning them to stop with time-wasting AfDs and a past message where they don't understand why we don't keep vandal contribs), seems to be a way to try to earn a 'clean slate' without having the record that deserves as such. There should be no clean start here. I do disagree with the OP in one way; CT is an inexperienced user who only came here in August and has been trying to do way too much and not doing a very good job of editing or patrolling. Nate • (chatter) 01:52, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Duplicate articles
Block E (rocket) and Blok E appears to be duplicates; the former was created in 2007 and the latter just a few days ago. I thought newer of the two might be a candidate for speedy deletion per WP:A10, but it does appear to be a legitimate attempt at improvement. My guess is that the creator of the newer version (4throck) just did so it good faith either because they weren't aware of the other article or weren't sure how to WP:MOVE the page. Anyway, could an admin look at this and see if a WP:HISTMERGE should be done to combine the content from the newer version into the older version? -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:54, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Harsh block by Berean Hunter
The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
Berean Hunter has just blocked Giano for 72 hours for making this innocuous comment on a talk page where Giano is entitled be. Sledgehammer, nut, bearing in mind this is the first such warning Giano has had from this admin. I see nothing "disruptive" or "harassing" in what Giano has said. Moreover, BH uses in his edit summary "deny", which presumably links to WP:DENY, an essay about trolls and vandals. This ad hominem is neither fair nor accurate in this context. Berean Hunter should really practice what he preaches. Thoughts please. CassiantoTalk 21:19, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- It's not about one edit but a pattern including this pointy type of edit that he repeated. One should look back over a few days to see he has been disruptive and harassing particularly since the 13th.
— Berean Hunter (talk) 21:34, 16 November 2019 (UTC) - (edit conflict) If Giano wants to appeal his block, he knows how. We don't need third-parties coming to noticeboards to complain. In addition, it's not clear that Giano was blocked for the one comment you highlight above (which is not "innocuous"), although I have no way of knowing if it was the trigger. BH said on Giano's Talk page "Giano, your editing has been disruptive and your harassment isn't going to be tolerated. I've blocked you for 72 hours. Please do not repeat this. If you want to edit then please stick to articles." That shows a pattern of harassment, not a single event. Finally, I endorse the block. Giano has been behaving badly for a while now.--Bbb23 (talk) 21:39, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Can we have Eric back and lose Giano? Go on Giano, throw yourself on a grenade. It would support all those "For Great Wiki" claims you've been making. Andy Dingley (talk) 21:37, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- A warning (if necessary) would've sufficed, IMHO. GoodDay (talk) 21:39, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Giano was given as friendly a warning as possible by Bishonen when she unblocked him. He ignored it. If he's going to ignore advice from Bishonen, with whom he's been wiki-friends since before I had a registered account, I don't see why further warnings would have made any difference whatsoever. Vanamonde (Talk) 21:47, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- I agree with Vanamonde and Thryduulf. There aren't many people Giano's going to listen to; for most users "warning" him is counterproductive, at best (I fall into that category). If he's not listening to warnings from Bish then there's nothing for it. Mackensen (talk) 21:50, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Is this starting to be a pattern with things like this? PackMecEng (talk) 22:00, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I don't get it. So because I've legitimately posted on two drama boards on a subject you disagree with, it's now a pattern? CassiantoTalk 22:10, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- It illustrated you have a habit of trying to help and it blowing up in your face. Like it did with that link I gave. I'm sorry if I was unclear. PackMecEng (talk) 22:18, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- And I'm sorry if I embarrassed you for asking you to make a bit more sense, but it appears you can't even do that as "illustrated" by your failure to do it for a second time. CassiantoTalk 22:24, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Cool story, bro? I suppose what is obvious to most is not so obvious to some. I will have to keep that in mind when we talk in the future, i need to keep it painfully simple. PackMecEng (talk) 22:31, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- And I'm sorry if I embarrassed you for asking you to make a bit more sense, but it appears you can't even do that as "illustrated" by your failure to do it for a second time. CassiantoTalk 22:24, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- It illustrated you have a habit of trying to help and it blowing up in your face. Like it did with that link I gave. I'm sorry if I was unclear. PackMecEng (talk) 22:18, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, I don't get it. So because I've legitimately posted on two drama boards on a subject you disagree with, it's now a pattern? CassiantoTalk 22:10, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- I was about to block them myself after this series of edits (not just the one today, but also messages to individual arbs yesterday? or was it before yesterday). This is a typical Reichstag Spiderman behavior.--Ymblanter (talk) 22:02, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Endorse block This is pure vandalism. If we don't block for that, then we might as well pack up and go home. --Rschen7754 22:13, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- I endorse the block too, though I have no desire to take "sides" about it. It's one thing to make the point once or twice. But to keep doing it over and over is like shouting louder and louder at people who heard it the first time and simply disagree. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:36, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Endorse block. Obviously. WaltCip (talk) 22:43, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- The origins of The Blocking Of Giano are lost in the mists of time, but its familiar ritual of the block, the unblock, the endless noticeboard discussions and the final mock pitched battle between the contentists and the administrati are a delight to tourists and an inspiration to writers of Wikipedia essays everywhere. Guy (help!) 23:05, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Eloquence! El_C 01:12, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Support indef. Honestly, this is getting old. I stayed quiet with the "compromised account" episode because I figured we'd get at least a week of no disruption. He seems to be (judging by his block logs) rather incapable of following even the most rudimentary of our conduct policies. He's been given his chances to change, and he has only gotten worse with straight vandalism per WP:POINT. (Non-administrator comment) –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 23:36, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- Well, nobody forced you to come here. Shouldn't you be wasting your time elsewhere, writing something that only you will ever read? CassiantoTalk 10:40, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- The amount of administrator time you have wasted with this pointless exercise is downright baffling. If you are going to start a thread at WP:AN complaining that Giano didn't get enough special treatment, then I'm going to be here pointing out how absurd that is. Either way, thanks for the free advertising of my 2019 voting guide. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 17:39, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- "Free advertising"? What on earth are you on about? Since when have you had to pay for advertising on this failing project? Maybe you should just stick to writing drivel like your "guide" that no one will ever read; creating actual content would clearly be an unachievable task. CassiantoTalk 19:39, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- The amount of administrator time you have wasted with this pointless exercise is downright baffling. If you are going to start a thread at WP:AN complaining that Giano didn't get enough special treatment, then I'm going to be here pointing out how absurd that is. Either way, thanks for the free advertising of my 2019 voting guide. –MJL ‐Talk‐☖ 17:39, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note the OPs careful phrasing "first such warning Giano has had from this admin" (emphasis added) thus tacitly acknowledging what they already knew, he was told to quit with the Eric trolling and he did not do so. That it took this long to happen is probably only because of the last block's poor, unsupported rationale, it could have and should have been a perfectly valid block for disruption. Eric's block is nobody's fault but his own, he lied and got caught, more than once, and that's what finally got him blocked for good. Going around harassing people and literally vandalizing pages over it is equally as stupid as gravedancing about it and should not be tolerated. 72 hours is pretty light if you ask me. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:12, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Yes of course, that's why you were literally falling over yourself to deal with the gravedancers who targeted Eric, just after he got blocked (two of whom now grace this thread). You were silent then, but my god, are you loud now. CassiantoTalk 10:47, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Whatever. I don't involve myself in every last thing that happens around here, there's not enough hours in the day and his talk page didn't happen to be on my watchlist because I don't actually care. Is that a better answer or would you like to make more of a spectacle of yourself with your shouting and hyperbole? Seems to be working super well so far. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:58, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Yes of course, that's why you were literally falling over yourself to deal with the gravedancers who targeted Eric, just after he got blocked (two of whom now grace this thread). You were silent then, but my god, are you loud now. CassiantoTalk 10:47, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Support indef. - Vandalism of pages. Harrassment. Chance after chance given but not taken to start taking Wikipedia seriously. Giano has only himself to blame. BabbaQ (talk) 00:16, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Short Block is fine, indef is being supported by the usual suspects who in many cases are irrelevant to what Giano does, i.e. build an encyclopedia. Perhaps they might think about why they're actually here. Black Kite (talk) 00:36, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Endorse block - nobody is so naive as to think that blocking Eric Corbett would not be controversial and result in dissatisfaction and anger from some members of the community, but Giano's harassment of members of Arbcom over the last several days has been beyond the pale, including many incidents which ought to have drawn blocks individually never mind the pattern. I see no reason for an indefinite block, of course unless this behaviour continues when the block expires. Ivanvector (Talk/Edits) 01:15, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Gadflies, while annoying, are good for us. It is to ancient Athens' eternal shame that they executed their irritating gadfly. Paul August ☎ 01:10, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I think a short block is fine to serve as a counter-point to the latest WP:POINT-yness and puts a stop to any immediate disruption. But anything too lengthy or an indef are an overkill that is ill-advised. El_C 01:19, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Endorse block childish and disruptive behavior = block. -FASTILY 01:58, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Endorse - Obviously. ∯WBGconverse 07:01, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Endorse enough is enough. Wasn't there just some stupid kerfuffle on ANI arising in part because some poor admin who didn't realise the latitude afforded Giano (and some other editors) blocked them because they incorrectly assumed given how poor the editing was that the account must be compromised? That in itself already tells us all we need to know. In any case, in most cases a third party appeal of a block, especially a third party appeal of a block of a highly experienced editor is unnecessary. Nil Einne (talk) 09:10, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Endorse . The block was perfectly within Berean Hunter 's discretion and good judgement. There is naturally a lot more background to this but what has been said here is sufficient. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 12:05, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Endorse block as within admin discretion, oppose any escalation to indef (or anything else), and appeal to Giano - I like you a lot, but please stop being such a dick. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:55, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Endorse block. Disruption is disruption. --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 13:29, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Endorse block - If I were to repeatedly replace the Arbcom page and talkpage with someone elses userpage I too would expect a long block,
- Giano's a great editor but just lately he has been disruptively editing the project and making POINTY edits - Yes the way Eric was treated was piss poor and losing him is a great loss to the project but at the end of the day the POINTY edits needs to stop, If there were a way he could be accepted back WITHOUT being blocked I would happily support that but until such a discussion is raised then there isn't much else that can be done. (Cleanstart could work I guess). –Davey2010Talk 14:28, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I'm sorry Giano got blocked (again), especially since he makes a valid point. The definition of disrupting Wikipedia to make a point, I suppose. However, unless I missed a whole lot, calling his posts on arbs' talk pages "harassment" devalues the term badly. Those who run for Arbcom should expect to be called out for their decisions, especially for things like blanking Eric's user page. Yngvadottir (talk) 18:21, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- This is not a black-and-white issue, obviously. I am disappointed that those who severely criticise Giano's actions don't understand that shooting the messenger is not the right answer, even if the messenger stepped on a few toes to deliver his message. Here we witnessed a very bad miscalculation by the exiting Arbcom to confine the contributions of an excellent editor to damnatio memoriae using our socking policy as a blunt instrument to exercise that power. In cases such as the present one, torches and pitchforks are an inadequate instrument of proper evaluation and assessment of the situation. Dr. K. 19:14, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- "Shooting the messenger" is when Person A sends Person B to deliver a message to Person C, and Person C blames Person B for the message instead of Person A. If Giano is Person B (the messenger) in this vignette, and the community is Person C, then who is Person A? – Levivich 20:56, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
Psimonson's contributions
- Psimonson (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Writersupreme (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Dwight Schar (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
I need a second opinion on Special:Contributions/Psimonson regarding WP:No legal threats, WP:Paid-contribution disclosure and Wikipedia:Edit warring. I carefully avoided taking any content-editing or administrative action yet, but it may be reasonable to temporarily full-protect Psimonson's revision if the edit warring continues, unless consensus is reached for inclusion of the section. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:22, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- My reasoning for the reverts were due to the section blanking. There was no reason given until the most recent change at this time. TheEpTic (talk) 22:48, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- I had requested the above explanation in Special:Diff/925883067, but I'm uncomfortable with the result, as it does not seem to address my concerns in either revision (1, 2). I'll wait for someone else to look at this. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:59, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- I'm redoing my reasoning as I felt this wasn't enough to explain my side. At the time, I was handling a lot of vandalism and saw this section of information being removed (Lawsuits) and felt there was no reason considering the linked sources and no reason given by Psimonson. I didn't check the sources directly which I have should have, and will do in all my future reverts. I immediately stopped once they provided a reason in the summary. I'm not knowledged in this article so I feel like I have no say on the consensus of this article. I apologise if my actions got in the way or were wrong. TheEpTic (talk) 11:38, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- I had requested the above explanation in Special:Diff/925883067, but I'm uncomfortable with the result, as it does not seem to address my concerns in either revision (1, 2). I'll wait for someone else to look at this. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 22:59, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
I am not involved in any court cases with this individual. Furthermore, this individual is a paid representative in the employ of the subject of the page.
I have mentioned lawsuits that have happened, and I have linked them to reputable, verifiable sources.
Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Writersupreme (talk • contribs) 23:26, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- I would fully protect the Dwight Schar article at the last version edited by Psimonson until a longer discussion can be held. At least the web site at https://bellacollina.wordpress.com looks questionable as a source in a BLP article. The contents of lawsuit pleadings doen't establish any facts for our purposes; they are only the allegations of the parties. We could quote court judgments if there were any. And since this is a high-profiile person there could be real press coverage elsewhere. EdJohnston (talk) 00:45, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- The article about Dwight Schar is now protected for two weeks for BLP reasons, leaving out the disputed section. I suggest that the material being reverted not be restored until agreement is reached about quality of sources. Anyone favoring the inclusion might post the issue at WP:RS/N or use some other method of getting agreement. EdJohnston (talk) 04:34, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Thank you all very much, I think this can be closed. If the edit warring itself continues, it can be reported at WP:ANEW; if Psimonson continues to edit without responding to the paid editing inquiry at User talk:Psimonson, I'll go from {{uw-paid2}} to {{uw-paid4}} and file a report at WP:COIN if necessary. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 14:55, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Finish up some page moves
I ran into an issue finishing an RM. I closed the RM at Portal:Contents as move and have moved almost all the subpages. Turns out a couple are fully move protected, so I need some help finishing up. Could an admin move the following pages into the Wikipedia: namespace?
- Portal:Contents/A–Z index
- Portal:Contents/Categorical index
- Portal:Contents/Categories
- Portal:Contents/Glossaries
- Portal:Contents/List of glossaries
- Portal:Contents/Outline of Knowledge
- Portal:Contents/Overviews
- Portal:Contents/Portals
- Portal:Contents/Quick index
Thanks. Wug·a·po·des 06:26, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Done. El_C 06:41, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Note that Portal:Contents is still not on the project namespace — may need a developer to help with a move of that scope. El_C 06:43, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Never mind JJMC89 got it. I just kept getting replication lag, but I guess there was a tech savvy way to get around that. El_C 07:04, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- JJMC89 was able to move it into projectspace. Turns out there's only ~1600 revisions. Also thanks for taking care of the talk page archives as well! Wug·a·po·des 07:03, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Done with the cleanup of the moves to
WikipediaContents/(missing colon) too — JJMC89 (T·C) 08:14, 13 November 2019 (UTC)- I knew this seemed to have gone too well. Thanks for doing that; I see from your contributions it was a fair bit of work cleaning up my mess, so I appreciate the help. It was my first time using the mass move script, and I didn't realize I had forgotten a colon on one of the runs. I'll look into modifying it so that problem doesn't happen again, but in the meantime I'll be more careful. Wug·a·po·des 08:31, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Done with the cleanup of the moves to
- JJMC89 was able to move it into projectspace. Turns out there's only ~1600 revisions. Also thanks for taking care of the talk page archives as well! Wug·a·po·des 07:03, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- N.B. I've created User:Wugapodes/Wikipedia contents cleanup to keep track of all the pages as I go through and check them again. Wug·a·po·des 18:24, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
unsourced Sireethorn Leearamwat
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Migsmigss (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) try add unsourced details in Sireethorn Leearamwat as model, so she is just a phamarcist to joined beauty pageant for the frist time at Miss Thailand 2019 and then she representing Thailand at Miss International 2019 in Japan. she is not a model at all and all her interview with Thai press she is only phamarcist never work any job in entertainment before, YOU CAN CHECK ON ALL OF THAI PRESS, NO ONE SAID SHE IS A MODEL and on her profile and title at Miss International 2019 beauty pageant show that she is a phamarcist, if she is a model MIO will show a detail that she is model and phamarcist like other contestents that they are model. Anyway you can check on MI website, MI 2019 live show when they show the title for introduce and annourced Sireethorn on stage. and also can see in thai article, Miss Thailand official website and page.
Someone added an english sourced already that Sireethorn is a phamarcist in the article but he still try to add a unsourced detail as a Model. and he removed a source that i add to confirm Sireethorn is a phamarcist.--Evrdkmkm (talk) 17:28, 13 November 2019 (UTC) And he try to add that Sireethorn is Thailand's first big four international pageant winner since 1988, its wrong sentence i think. The Thailand's first big four international pageant winner should means Apasra Hongsakula at Miss Universe 1965 because Big 4 are Miss UniVerse, Miss World, Miss International and Miss Earth. so in the article have a detail already that Sireethorn is the first ever Miss International crown for Thailand, this is point. NOT Thailand's first big four international pageant winner since 1988 like he try so say. if he say like that its should means Thailand never crown the Big 4 Beauty Pageant before?.--Evrdkmkm (talk) 17:47, 13 November 2019 (UTC) Migsmigss: Hello, I was Tagged in this Report, so Below is my ResponseHello, this my reply on these accusations: 1. This editor, Evrdkmkm, has consistently vandalized articles with disruptive editing as evidenced here, here, here, here, here, here, and here, just as examples, deleting chunks of information, templates, and sources. 2. This editor, Evrdkmkm, also accused me of deleting their source here when in fact it's a result of their edit here. This accusation is uninformed, and a mistake committed by the editor himself/themselves, yet they place the blame on me? I hope the admins can look into this. 3. Some of this editor's edits are even a product of not reading thoroughly the edits of other contributors, for example, "she is not a Thailand's first Big Four international beauty pageants winner /the first is Apassara Hongsakula for Miss Universe" 4. If you look into this editor's contributions here, you would see that this editor's comments when editing or reverting edits are rather improper and devoid of civility. For example, to quote this editor verbatim: "this is my talk page so i can remove anything in this talk page that i want" —This without trying to respectfully resolve the issues posted on their talk page by other editors I was tagged in this report, so the above is my response. I hope the admins can look into this. I was planning on bringing this editor Evrdkmkm up myself here, but since they have opened this discussion, I have made my response. I would like to seek disciplinary action on this user Evrdkmkm (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) —if this user merits a block, I will support it. I have tried to reason out with this user with respect, but this user has not engaged with me in a similar manner, as evidenced by the links I've given above, and this user's entire Edit History. Thanks. Migsmigss (talk) 18:08, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
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Suspicious activity in this page
Wikipedia:Wikipedia Asian Month/2019/Participants
Hi, there are newly created accounts and IPs who are adding their names. I feel like they have ruined that page and I also feel that they are the same person. Please take a look at the history of that page and you will see how they have ruined the page.--SharabSalam (talk) 01:33, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- SharabSalam, diffs please - "look at the history" is too vague for action, and "ruined the page" is a pretty big claim. I see a handful of IP vandals blanking the page, but not much else. Also, what are you looking for? Page protection? Sockpuppet investigation? Something else? creffett (talk) 03:04, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- I am saying is that there are too many IPs and newly created accounts who are adding their names there.
- Tarikelias (talk · contribs),
- Argoclio (talk · contribs),
- Gizemakpinarr (talk · contribs),
- Sophiasleeping (talk · contribs) etc.
- There are a lot of newly created accounts who are adding their names. Isn't that weird?. I said they ruined the page is because for example, the first editor in that list doesn't exist and he copied the signature style of the editor below him. I also feel it is highly likely that these newly created accounts belongs to one person. So I want an admin to see if they belong to one person and whether the activity there is normal or not.--SharabSalam (talk) 03:58, 11 November 2019 (UTC)
- I hope someone is going to fix that page, it is now a mess.Wikipedia:Wikipedia Asian Month/2019/Participants--SharabSalam (talk) 23:47, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Unblock appeal by Wikibreaking
Wikibreaking (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) is appealing the indefinite block which was placed in January 2016 for disruption and legal threats, and in 2019 changed due to sockpuppetry using Bearberserk. As the community endorsed this block, it should also discuss whether to unblock under the standard offer. Wikibreaking's appeal follows below. Seraphimblade Talk to me 20:26, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
I withdrew legal threat, and I was told to request for unblock 6 months after. It's been more than 6 months.
I was told to follow WP:OFFER and to appeal for unblock again in six months. It has been 6 months, so I am following up on my ban. Could you unblock my account please? I have 2 accounts. My first account was Wikibreaking which was blocked first. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Wikibreaking Then, a couple years later, I created my second account Bearberserk which was blocked because my first account wasn't unblocked before I created my second account. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Bearberserk I am told that I should use only 1 account. If so, I would like to use my second account Bearberserk because I like that name better. Could you unblock my second account Bearberserk? As for my first account, you can remove it or whatever. Or you can unblock my first account Wikibreaking first then I will submit another appeal for my second account Bearberserk which I plan on using because I like that name better.
I wasn't planning on editing any article right away, but since I am told that I should plan to edit something if I want my account unblocked, I will edit the following 2 articles.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_sword
https://i.imgur.com/E1zwCtQ.jpg
Hwando is the Korean version of Japanese Katana; this sword was the most common sword in Korea. This sword was not imported from Japan but from Guguryeo Dynasty's Hwandudaedo. According to 1451's Chosun Royal Journal's February 25th entry, there were 2 different types of Hwando: one with longer handle (2 Bbyeom/뼘) and one with shorter (1 Bbyeom/뼘 and 3 finger widths) handle. The one with shorter handle was used on horse while the one with longer handle was used off horse.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Breaking_(martial_arts)
http://www.kwunion.com/interesting/mas-oyama-america-part-3/
In 1940 the “Japanese American Courier” reported that “Marking its 34th anniversary the Tacoma (judo) dojo will hold its annual tournament Sunday afternoon at the Buddhist Church auditorium . . . Over 40 black belts are listed for action. An additional feature on the programme will be Masato Tamura’s ‘rock breaking’ demonstration via the ancient Japanese art of “kiai jutsu”. He will also oppose a quintet of picked black belts”. Tamura was a well known judoka who had got his third dan during Jigoro Kano’s visit to America in 1938. In none of these accounts, incidentally, is there any mention of karate.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Wikibreaking (talk • contribs)
- These are past administrators' actions on Wikibreaking:
- 31 December 2015 (UTC): Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/3RRArchive303#User:Wikibreaking reported by User:Phoenix7777 (Result: Blocked)
- 19 January 2016 (UTC): Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/IncidentArchive911#User:Wikibreaking personal attacks and WP:FORUMSHOP
- 29 January 2019 (UTC): Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Wikibreaking/Archive
- ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 21:04, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose Not seeing any indication that they understand why their behavior earned a block in the first place (or how they plan to change it), and I don't care for the entitled and argumentative attitude I see from their past contributions. Their habit of accusing other editors of lying doesn't help either. Also,
I wasn't planning on editing any article right away
...then why should we unban? A ban doesn't prevent you from reading Wikipedia. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 20:43, 13 November 2019 (UTC) - Oppose although I'm willing to be convinced. They have not fully addressed the reason for their original block, and continued to file repeated UTRS requests subsequent to being told to wait 6 months per OFFER. The conversation at Bearberserk doesn't inspire confidence. 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 20:53, 13 November 2019 (UTC) amended 78.26 (spin me / revolutions) 21:04, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose As you see the past administrator's actions and his past edits, Wikibreaking's edits were disruptive and mostly WP:SYNTH. He is clearly WP:NOTHERE.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 21:19, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- Oppose don't see any understanding of why the block was imposed. WP:OFFER doesn't mean that we will lift blocks if they are appealed after six months, just that we will consider an appeal after six months. You still have to convince people that you understand why the block was imposed, that it won't happen again, and that you will be constructive in future. It doesn't exactly look like Wikibreaking was being terribly constructive before the block either. The discussion at User talk:Bearberserk#Blocked (from April) is rather illuminating, we have two requests adamantly denying any sockpuppetry, before another two saying that the accounts might be the same user but they can't remember, before another one saying that they are definitely the same person and they'd like to use that one in future. Hut 8.5 07:57, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
wrong details in Sireethorn Leearamwat by Migsmigss (talk · contribs)
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Migsmigss (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log) still didnt stop to try to add wrong details in Sireethorn Leearamwat as a model, so can Admin checking this editor?
Or can checking about her real carreer as Phamarcist not Phamacist and Model on Miss Thailand, Miss International Thailand and Miss International official websites and pages. Or her official Instagram @bintsireethorn.--Evrdkmkm (talk) 08:41, 14 November 2019 (UTC) and can Admin protect Sireethorn page for a few day? thanks.--Evrdkmkm (talk) 08:43, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
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Rape (disambiguation)
Some of you are probably familiar with the person responsible for these (and other) edits. There's a range to be blocked, but there is way too much other, acceptable activity on it. I semi-protected; that's the only thing I can think of. Thanks, Drmies (talk) 03:39, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- It's been range blocked several times before. Materialscientist did a 3 month range blocked in May 2019. See 186.11.0.0/17 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · filter log · WHOIS · RDNS · RBLs · block user · block log). NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 04:45, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- That was ugly. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:40, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- For the sake of one's sanity, it's probably best to avoid looking at revdeleted content. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 14:44, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- I haven't seen them in a while. I see they have found a few more people they dislike. I was getting a lot of it earlier but not on the English Wikipedia. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Sunasuttuq 15:23, 15 November 2019 (UTC)
- For the sake of one's sanity, it's probably best to avoid looking at revdeleted content. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 14:44, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
- That was ugly. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:40, 13 November 2019 (UTC)
Catflap08
catflap08 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
I have restored TPA for catflap08 to allow an appeal / unblock request, per UTRS appeal #27572. I suspect this is a doomed experiment in AGF. Guy (help!) 11:04, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
- It appears that email and TPA were both revoked to stop him from harassing another user; you may want to give that other user a specific heads-up and let them know you've done so. They may have input, and they ALSO may want to know that the access has been restored so that they can report if the harassment starts anew. --Jayron32 19:52, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
Deleted article recreated, but probably not exactly enough for G4
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I noticed this in the new article robot report. An article on the same topic was deleted in 2017, but they may not be similar enough to qualify technically for G4 speedy deletion. If anything, the new version has less content than before. Thoughts? XOR'easter (talk) 13:46, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
- The copyvio detector reports "violation unlikely", but given how short it is and how the text that is there is just a rearrangement of phrases in a press release, I'd say it's a copyvio anyway. Tagging as such. XOR'easter (talk) 13:53, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Draft:William Oliver (artist, born 1823)
Would an admin mind taking a look at this? It looks like it started out as a draft for John James Wilson and when that article was created, the draft was blanked and replaced with new content about a different subject. Seems like this process has been repeated multiple times I understand this is fine to do for a user sandbox, but not sure if the same should be done for things in the draft namespace. My understanding has always been that that when a draft is moved to the mainspace, the page history shouldn’t end up split between multiple subjects. For reference, I came across this at WP:THQ#Changing drafts which seems to be a question about a copy and paste move. — Marchjuly (talk) 15:39, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
Nazi alert
Do any of you admins/CUs/LTV experts know who produced this neo-Nazi swinery? See , . Drmies (talk) 02:14, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Some random troll using proxies. RBI is the answer. Reaper Eternal (talk) 15:07, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
ACE2019 Electoral Roll
Hello everyone, to meet the new WP:ACE2019 voter eligibility requirements, we had to generate the electoral roll using a different process this year. All initial spot checks have been fine, but I would like to invite anyone to review the list here and if you see any issues to quickly raise them at Wikipedia talk:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019/Coordination. I've heard that ("given enough eyeballs, all bugs are shallow") - thank you, — xaosflux Talk 22:49, 16 November 2019 (UTC)
- I've reviewed the list and confirm that it hurt both my eyes and my brain. No offense but I don't see how a human being is supposed to review a document like that. Is there maybe another way to present it? Like, single lines for each user with links to their username? That would be much more human-friendly although I realize it may be maddeningly time consuming to put together without a bot. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:16, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Beeblebrox: I made a "human friendlier" view at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019/Coordination/SP/human2. Adding that many wikilinks to a page times out the server. Good things to look for are names that should NOT be on the list, or a missing name that you think should be. — xaosflux Talk 00:25, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I did get a page with links to save: Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019/Coordination/SP/human - warning if you have a lot of scripts that do things for "user:" links you might freeze up on it. — xaosflux Talk 00:31, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Yeah, I use the script that strikes out blocked user names, it might've been helpful there but as you predicted, I can't load it. Thanks for responding though, I'l see how much of the other one I can plow through. Beeblebrox (talk) 02:03, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I did get a page with links to save: Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019/Coordination/SP/human - warning if you have a lot of scripts that do things for "user:" links you might freeze up on it. — xaosflux Talk 00:31, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Beeblebrox: I made a "human friendlier" view at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019/Coordination/SP/human2. Adding that many wikilinks to a page times out the server. Good things to look for are names that should NOT be on the list, or a missing name that you think should be. — xaosflux Talk 00:25, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- FYI, thank you to early reviewers and feedback. A problem with the roll has been identified and is currently being worked on. Management overview: certain accounts marked as "secondary" accounts have been erroneously excluded from the list. This should be resolved today. As a reminder, there is a fall-back process for anyone wrongfully disenfranchised from the election - the commissioners have a process to "give you an empty ballot" if you report such a problem - it is not super quick, so we certainly want to resolve the root issue first. Thank you, — xaosflux Talk 15:34, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Can we push some kind of notification to registered users to the effect of "here's the current voter roll, here are the eligibility criteria, if you should be eligible but aren't on the voter roll please post at such-and-such place"? Perhaps one of those notices like the ones for "A Request for Adminship is open" (not sure of the term for those) creffett (talk) 20:04, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I’m going to take a sample of 45 from highly active users from 9/2019 and compare it to the newly generated roll to test if it’s complete. That will give us 90% confidence of a max error rate of 5%, which in all honesty is pretty decent considering that we’ll have the ultimate test of someone raising their hand if they can’t vote. The goal here is a reasonable standard of control. We did this last night on the reverse side of people meeting the minimum criteria to vote, and will redo that test on the new list. TonyBallioni (talk) 20:21, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Can we push some kind of notification to registered users to the effect of "here's the current voter roll, here are the eligibility criteria, if you should be eligible but aren't on the voter roll please post at such-and-such place"? Perhaps one of those notices like the ones for "A Request for Adminship is open" (not sure of the term for those) creffett (talk) 20:04, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Updated sorted versions have been posted at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019/Coordination/SP/human2 (plain text) and Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee Elections December 2019/Coordination/SP/human (with wikilinks). — xaosflux Talk 21:20, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
RFPP backlog
Jicco123, again
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Jicco123 (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
It is clear that User:Jicco123 is unable to competently collaborate with others. Their edits to Mixer have been very questionable. They had at several points, pasted in feature information that was PR-laden, overly detailed and copied from other sources. They were also involved in a brief dispute on Bill Gates' article, insisting that he have an infobox as a YouTuber as well since he also has a YouTube channel. Their communications with other users have also been quite aggressive, as can be seen on user talk pages they have posted to.
I am deeply concerned about this user's actions. ViperSnake151 Talk 16:47, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- Gave them a DS/alert regarding infoboxes. creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 17:17, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- Actually, could use some help - do DS notifications need to be logged in the same way that GS notifications do? If so, where do I do that? creffpublic a creffett franchise (talk to the boss) 17:23, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- The history of the user's talk page is a long line of various warnings that are simply removed without comment. -- ferret (talk) 17:31, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
He is a liar. I recreated the article in my sandbox. That are old information!
Jicco123 (talk) 20:01, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- What is the "old information"? Could you please give specifics when you accuse editors of disruptive changes? ViperSnake151 Talk 23:31, 6 November 2019 (UTC)
- This user's sentiment is generally "what I did is not illegal, so it is not wrong"; everytime they do something that is unhelpful but not directly in violation of any guideline (or simply in cases where I cannot quote a guideline from the top of my head) and any of their contributions are corrected (for proper use of a template, better grammar/phrasing or otherwise), the user reverts back to their revision, citing that they did nothing wrong. I did note this in several of our discussions (we had quite a few encounters) but that did not change their mind. Generally, they display a sense of ownership of a multitude of articles where they made a few edits (and they tend to do 20 minor edits in a row on most of them) and refuse to collaborate with any other editors, let alone be corrected. The closing admin (provided they are able to understand German, as the user refuses to communicate in English where they are not forced to) may skim a few of our discussions in my talk page Archive 5 (2019) for examples of this. (Noticeably, the user also refuses to indent their messages for a better flow of communication, after I asked them at least ten times to do so). Lordtobi (✉) 18:44, 12 November 2019 (UTC)
- The user is continuing this behavior, for example on Xbox Game Pass, by seemingly reverting without comment, but evading detection by not being logged in. 2003:c1:e701:b348:e451:3c0a:d26:ab19/41 (talk · contribs · IP contribs · WHOIS) is a range calculated from several Erfurt/Germany-based IPs this user edited under. Administrator intervention is probably required here. Lordtobi (✉) 16:22, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- They are also again turning to edit warring now. Pinging @Izno and Ferret, is a block warranted here (on grounds of WP:OWN, WP:EW, and WP:COMPETENCE)? Lordtobi (✉) 19:03, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Note he's currently on a 1 week block at Commons as well. -- ferret (talk) 20:53, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I've gone ahead and indef'd, this is making too much work for other editors. He did log back in, but that feels like a weird block evasion besides. -- ferret (talk) 18:50, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
Removal of rollback permission
Hi, I hope this is the correct place to request a removal of permissions. I quite often use rollback, but recently most of my editing has been on the mobile view. Sadly, it's currently quite buggy, and can jump when attempting to select an article on the watchlist; and quite often this is onto the rollback of an edit. Could I have this permission removed until the view is fixed to stop this from happening (I'm quite happy to re-request the perm at a later date)? I thought I could handle this, but it's happened too many times at this point to live with. Thanks for your help. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 18:40, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I can remove rollback no problem, but may be you want to try this script first? It removes rollback buttons from the watchlist, and I found it very helpful (thanks 28bytes again). I never tried it on mobile though.--Ymblanter (talk) 19:05, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I think your broken link was probably intended to be to this script instead? There is also the option "Require confirmation before performing rollback on mobile devices" at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets, and its documentation leads to various alternatives. --David Biddulph (talk) 19:27, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- You can try this script, you may need to modify it to your device. –xenotalk 19:41, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
//hide rollback links on iPhone
if (navigator.userAgent.match(/iPhone/i) || navigator.userAgent.match(/iPod/i)) {
var styleEle = document.getElementsByTagName("head")[0].appendChild(document.createElement("style"));
styleEle.sheet.insertRule(".mw-rollback-link { display: none; }", 0);
}
- Thanks for all this - solution to a problem I didn't know existed until the change in view. I'll likely use one of these! Thanks for your help. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 22:00, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- User:Lee Vilenski glad to know that your problem appears to have been resolved. I also have rollback rights and if ever I click rollback while watching the watchlist on my phone, I get a prompt that says something along the lines of "Do you Really want to rollback" and then obviously I hit No. This is a big embarrassment saver. Hence, I never felt the need to get rid of the rollback, or use any script. I am not sure why you seem to not get this prompt. perhaps some difference in our preferences. --DBigXrayᗙ 08:49, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- hmm, I just checked and I do have the option in gadgets selected... it's a bit weird really. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:29, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, I was talking about the Gadget option: "
Require confirmation before performing rollback on mobile devices
". I have it checked on my preference page. If this feature is not working on your mobile device, then you should consider opening a thread on WP:VP so that folks can resolve it or fix it if there is a bug somewhere. regards--DBigXrayᗙ 16:14, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- Yes, I was talking about the Gadget option: "
- hmm, I just checked and I do have the option in gadgets selected... it's a bit weird really. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski (talk • contribs) 11:29, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
- User:Lee Vilenski glad to know that your problem appears to have been resolved. I also have rollback rights and if ever I click rollback while watching the watchlist on my phone, I get a prompt that says something along the lines of "Do you Really want to rollback" and then obviously I hit No. This is a big embarrassment saver. Hence, I never felt the need to get rid of the rollback, or use any script. I am not sure why you seem to not get this prompt. perhaps some difference in our preferences. --DBigXrayᗙ 08:49, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
User:Edward Zigma - Disruptive editing
User:Edward Zigma, a user it appears is currently under investigation here for harassment, has been making a number of disruptive edits to articles Super Best Friends, The Quint and Talk:Quora. I have reverted these edits, and reverted his reverts of the first two. The user is being hostile to warnings left on their page, calling them "futile" and refuses to back down on their clearly disruptive edits (censorship, removal of refs, removal of own controversial comments from an article talk page).UaMaol (talk) 03:59, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- No. I had already complained about you to a editor. First you went on a spree through my contributions and reverted them one by one. I complained about this to the editor AddWittyNameHere I asked you thrice and told you to discuss this in the discussion page here. I called force removing of my edits futile and I urges you to discuss on the talk page everytime on the edit which you did not. And when I complained about you to the editor, you decided to open a case here. I never reverted your edits thrice. Its not vandalism but your denial to debate in discussion page even after I urge you says you dont want to be involved in that. Instead you opened agaim a fake grievance of me.Edward Zigma (talk) 04:12, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Its my question that why do you went on sudden edits by me and revert them one by one in half an hour. Then even after me urging you to take the discussion to article talk page, you refused to do so. And even after that when I complained about you to user AddWittyNameHere, withing some monents you opened a grievance against me. Please answer these questions.Edward Zigma (talk) 04:24, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Edward Zigma, I really, really want to believe you're a good faith editor who is just having a rough start to Wikipedia, but the way you're responding to other editors when they have criticism of you or disagree with you is absolutely not doing you any favors. Let me repeat part of my response on my user talk: "I would recommend not treating other editors, whether that is Harshil or someone uninvolved like Uamaol, like they're against you or enemies. If they are, you only make yourself look bad by behaving in kind. If they aren't? Well, acting like they are might just be the best way to turn people against you and make enemies out of them after all. Stay calm and discuss rationally, and if you don't believe you can stay calm, step back and wait until you can." AddWittyNameHere 04:29, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- But he went through my contributions and reverted all of them one by one. He forcefully remove all my edits without proper reason. And when I conplained that to you, within moments after the complaint he opened this. Can we say this is in good faith towards me?. Isn't this behaviour hostile and discorage other editor. If he had a problem he could discuss it in the article talk page. But even after me urging him thrice he refused todo that.Edward Zigma (talk) 04:34, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- It is frustrating, sure, but all three of the edits you linked me to were justified reversals. That doesn't make it any nicer for you, but the appropriate way to handle it is by seeking consensus (not just post, wait a few hours, then act) on the relevant article's talk page, or by calmly asking the user why they reverted you and what they believe your edit lacked. The appropriate way to handle it is not re-reverting them, tell them to look at the talk page where no one had even gotten around to replying to your comment yet, then when they revert another edit of you elsewhere telling them "This warning is futile. It has zero significance."
- And even if they had been wrong in their reversals, that would not be the way to handle it. Remember when you accidentally contacted me on my userpage instead of user talk page yesterday? If my response to that had been something along the lines of reverting you and commenting "My user talk exists for a reason, use it" or "Posting on my user page instead of talk page is futile and has zero significance", would you have felt welcome to actually talk with me afterwards? I doubt it. The other people here on Wikipedia are exactly that: other people. Just as it is frustrating to you to have your edits reverted, it is frustrating to them when you respond with hostility. AddWittyNameHere 04:45, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- This is very good advice but
- But he went through my contributions and reverted all of them one by one. He forcefully remove all my edits without proper reason. And when I conplained that to you, within moments after the complaint he opened this. Can we say this is in good faith towards me?. Isn't this behaviour hostile and discorage other editor. If he had a problem he could discuss it in the article talk page. But even after me urging him thrice he refused todo that.Edward Zigma (talk) 04:34, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Edward Zigma, I really, really want to believe you're a good faith editor who is just having a rough start to Wikipedia, but the way you're responding to other editors when they have criticism of you or disagree with you is absolutely not doing you any favors. Let me repeat part of my response on my user talk: "I would recommend not treating other editors, whether that is Harshil or someone uninvolved like Uamaol, like they're against you or enemies. If they are, you only make yourself look bad by behaving in kind. If they aren't? Well, acting like they are might just be the best way to turn people against you and make enemies out of them after all. Stay calm and discuss rationally, and if you don't believe you can stay calm, step back and wait until you can." AddWittyNameHere 04:29, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
He could saiy the same to me but he responded like some forced editor. uamaolIf I wamted to disrupt or vandalise the pages I would have done that even after your edits. But all your edits are intact as you cann see. I reverted them but at the same time opened the query in article talk page too. But after that when you again reverted(which can be seen as disruptive editing from your side too), i didnt revert it. Then how can you say I am involved in this. But you went through my contributions and undo all the edits made by me in mere hakf an hour and when I complained about this to a senior editor you tried to open a fake case on me.Is this justifiable?. You first went through my contribution and went on an undo spree. Then your discussion at that in the talk pages were nil even after i urged you to do that. Then when I complained about this to a senior editor moments later you opened a report againsy me. If you got youself involved in discussion rather than giving warnings that would be better. I had my thought process to behind those edits. They were not disruption in any way. But you forcefully came and undo all that which started all this nuisance. Is this justifiable?Edward Zigma (talk) 04:54, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- Considering the very short timespan between your edit to my talkpage and Uamaol's report here, I strongly suspect you were both typing up your posts at the same time. I don't think they filed this report in retaliation to you contacting me, you just both independently decided the two of you weren't going to come to any resolution yourselves and needed outside eyes.
- That said, Edward Zigma? If a handful of reverts make you this frustrated, I would strongly reconsider whether it is a good idea to edit Wikipedia, much less edit in a fairly controversial area like India and Pakistan-related articles. Being reverted is part of Wikipedia. I get reverted from time to time, and most of my wiki work is in what are possibly the least conflict-prone, most out-of-the-way areas of Wikipedia: moth species and putting templates on redirects.
- Furthermore, at least one reversion on The Quint was not by User:Uamaol but by another user who independently decided they also disagreed with your edit.
- I also would not classify this as a "fake case". While I don't think it necessarily needs to be on the Administrators' noticeboard--at least, if you calm down, stop accusing Uamaol of various bad faith actions, and start calmly discussing things--the specifics of their complaint are not wrong: you made some Bold edits, they reverted, and rather than discuss things calmly, you started re-reverting and treating Uamaol with hostility.
- At this point, I don't think I can give you any further advice, other than please, please read Bold, Revert, Discuss. I have said all that I feel is worth saying about this subject, now it is up to you to decide whether or not you'll actually do anything with that advice. AddWittyNameHere 05:18, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- My problem is he just reverted my edits, ok no problem. But then he stickied a warning. What was the need of the warning in the first place. This warning is getting used as discouraging other editors and uamaol doesnt used it morally. He just came and revert the edits and issued a warning. If he respect the other editors what was the need of the warning in the first place. His first interaction with me was that warning which he used in ill mannerEdward Zigma (talk) 05:43, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Edward Zigma: While sure, a personal message would have been preferable over a set of templated warnings because it would probably have been less confusing to you, those warnings are standardized templates used across the entire English-language wikipedia to point out to editors that specific edits they've been making are problematic and can, if repeated, get them into trouble. (Hence "warning") They get stricter in language as things progress because if you get multiple of them, it means the message wasn't received the first time (or, in case of an "only warning", you did something so close to getting yourself blocked the time for mild admonishment is over). So basically, what it means is not "I'm telling you, if you don't stop I'm gonna get you into trouble", but rather "Heads up! Some of those recent edits are the kind of thing folks regularly get into trouble over.", and the later, more strict warnings are basically "Watch out! You're now getting awfully close to the point someone might block you over your editing." AddWittyNameHere 05:58, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- My problem is he just reverted my edits, ok no problem. But then he stickied a warning. What was the need of the warning in the first place. This warning is getting used as discouraging other editors and uamaol doesnt used it morally. He just came and revert the edits and issued a warning. If he respect the other editors what was the need of the warning in the first place. His first interaction with me was that warning which he used in ill mannerEdward Zigma (talk) 05:43, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
- If you guys want someone to look into this, please include some diffs. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 11:29, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
Admin eyes needed, agian
ResolvedCould an admin please find what Moonriddengirl says about the page's copyvios on Talk:United States Supreme Court cases involving Jehovah's Witnesses and then paste it to Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20100114? This would be extremely useful in figuring out this CCI. Thanks, 💵Money💵emoji💵Talk💸Help out at CCI! 12:40, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
Unblock appeal by Wikibreaking
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The titled discussion opened by an admin Seraphimblade was archived without closing. I think the discussion should be closed officially as a result of the community review.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 05:46, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
- Everyone opposed and no one was interested enough to close it or unblock. I’m not going to go dig through an archive, but if you want an uninvolved admin to give their opinion, sure: I would close it as no consensus to unblock. TonyBallioni (talk) 05:52, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
- An admin Bradv closed an unblock request based on the above review. That is what I should have requested here. Thank you.―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 06:15, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
Subpage deletion
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I'm not sure how to have my subpage deleted. Is there a template I can put in the subpage or do I have to ask an admin. I want to delete User:Melofors/Images, User:Melofors/Navigation, User:Melofors/Keepy Ducky, and User:Melofors/Nottingham Galley. -Melofors (talk) 07:09, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
- Done. In the future, you can add the template {{db-u1}} to the page, or for something easier to remember, {{Delete my user page}} (subpages included). Someguy1221 (talk) 07:14, 22 November 2019 (UTC)
User voting multiple times in a single AfD despite request not to
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Can an admin take a look at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tom Botchii, cross out invalid votes and warn the editor in question, User:Powertolife, who made them that this is not acceptable? I asked him to cross out his second vote there, but instead he voted for the third time. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:45, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- This new editor has less than 30 edits. Please try to discuss the matter with them on their talk page. Perhaps they think that they are supposed to add "Keep" to any comment they make at AfD. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 04:55, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- I've never seen this before on an XfD. How weird. Yes, likely some confusion on their part. Anyway, I closed the AfD as delete, but depending on the success of the upcoming movie, the article may be recreated soonish (I'll add an addendum to that effect). El_C 04:58, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
sprint wireless blocked !!
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a large ipv6 network of sprint has been blocked from using Wikipedia by some guy name Drmies ] this guy blocked 2600:1:8000:0:0:0:0:0 This guy either does not know anything about IPv6 networks, or he actually wanted to ban all of sprints networks from Wikipedia. please check the block put in by Drmies
I could not complain about it via the UNBLOCK page, because the page detects I am coming from a certain ipv4 address that is not blocked, and so it gets in a loop asking me, are you sure you want to block an ip range or is it your username blocked?"
thank you rod — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruderod (talk • contribs) 23:41, 24 November 2019 (UTC)}}
- ping Drmies - David Gerard (talk) 23:44, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Ruderod:, you clearly have an account and therefore can edit, so there's no problem, right? Anon-only rangeblock working as intended. ST47 (talk) 23:45, 24 November 2019 (UTC)
Others paying for content that we use here
Discussion at WikiProject Med with respect to skin images. Just an FYI to the larger community. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 16:16, 19 November 2019 (UTC)
Neutrality check
Can someone with a bit of authority step in to see if they can fix Wikipedia:Article_Rescue_Squadron_–_Rescue_list#List_of_scientists_who_disagree_with_the_scientific_consensus_on_global_warming_(7th_nomination) so that it is more neutrally worded? It seems that User:Lightburst and User:Andrew Davidson are so attached to non-neutral wording that they won't allow any modification of the posting in spite of what the rules state at the rescue list. Thanks. jps (talk) 12:20, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- You attempted to erase the entire post twice and were reverted twice for it , then you try to hide the post twice and get reverted then you come here to ask others to help you. Others participated in a discussion for this on the talk page while you have not. Instead you go forum shopping. Dream Focus 13:06, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- See also: Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Shut_down_Article_Rescue_Squadron. There is something bad going on here, folks. jps (talk) 14:41, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- Aaaaand see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Edit_warring#User:ජපස_reported_by_User:Lightburst_(Result:_). Clearly I've hit a nerve. jps (talk) 14:47, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- jps has gone nuclear. Clearly and intentionally being disruptive in a campaign against a few users. -- GreenC
- Comment User:ජපස has engaged in extremely disruptive editing (edit warring) on the ARS. Then engaged in forum shopping, and attempted to delete the project with an MfD. All the while ජපස refused to discuss anything on the talk page and blanked requests to come to discussion. I am loathe to approach administrators for help, but perhaps we can get a short break from these numerous disruptions. Lightburst (talk) 15:43, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- I would disagree with the "forum shopping" label. MFD was closed as "MFD is not the right solution for the issues raised", so it made sense to take it to take it to Village Pump. Perhaps we can engage in a productive discussion once we agree on the correct venue. –dlthewave ☎ 21:30, 17 November 2019 (UTC)
- @Lightburst: you keep saying you want to avoid disruption, but you're not helping yourself here. The notice is obviously non-neutral, and, even if you don't see it, there's absolutely no justification for continuing to restore it when a simple rewording could accomplish exactly the same goals without causing frustration to other editors. Frankly, I don't know if this is worth pursuing, because there are only a handful of active editors anyway, but conflicts like this are inevitable as long as editors at ARC are treating the project as a battleground. Nblund talk 18:39, 18 November 2019 (UTC)
The article that originally triggered this dispute has now been deleted, but I'd like to draw people's attention to the discussions on the rescue-squad talk page. Particularly this one and the one below it. It appears they've reached a local consensus that it's OK to ignore the encyclopedia-wide prohibition on non-neutral notices. ApLundell (talk) 04:33, 20 November 2019 (UTC)
