Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Noleander

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Case Opened on 14:58, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

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Case clerk: Salvio giuliano (talk) Drafting arbitrator: Newyorkbrad (talk)

Case Closed on 16:22, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Case amended by motion on 02:02, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

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Involved parties

Statement by Jayen466

The ANI thread Slrubenstein initiated about Noleander's editing has grown to such proportions and to such complexity over the past few days that a closure by any one administrator, and a decision about the proposed topic ban by any one administrator, is likely to cause further drama rather than resolve the situation. At the same time, the evidence is so complex that it seems to go beyond what can be competently handled either at AN/I, or at an RfC/U; the format of an arbitration case seems much more suitable, as it provides a suitable format for submitting, examining and rebutting evidence. The arbitration committee can only take a case if they are requested to do so, so this request is intended to give the committee the opportunity to do that. --JN466 03:35, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Statement by Slrubenstein

Clerk note: I have shortened Slrubenstein's statement; the complete version is on the case talk page, here. Salvio Let's talk about it! 14:58, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

I did not seek the normal avenues of dispute resolution, because I did not perceive this as a dispute between me and Noleander. At least, it is not a dispute in the narrow sense that usually operates at Wikipedia. Personally, I have no problem with Noleander. I do not think she has been incivil to me. She never attacked me personaly. Moreover, we have never been involved in an editing dispute. If I have ever reverted her, I do not remember. If she has ever reverted me, I do not remember.

I went to AN/I to propose a community ban; Slim Virgin proposed instead a topic ban, which I supported. I supported a ban because I perceived a pattern of behavior that I believe should be unacceptable at Wikipedia. The pattern of behavior is anti-Semitic. It has taken the form of creating what I consider anti-Semitic articles about Jews.

I do not believe that anyone would contest that there has been a pattern of behavior, the question is whether it is merely disruptive, or anti-Semitic as well.


There are three simple reasons why I consider the articles anti-Semitic.

  1. They are by and large not about Judaism, the religion, but about Jews - individual people, and the collective i.e. the Jewish race (or People etc.)
  2. The articles are neither well-sourced, nor do they use sources well. This was made clear by many people who have supported a topic ban, or who have supported the deletion of the article. The list of sources may appear impressive to a non-expert. Noleander cites books that sound relevant, but that were written by journalists, or by hobbyists, or by historians whose work is dated and no longer considered by other historians to be authoritative. More importantly, sources are used poorly. Noleander often provides summaries that flat-our misrepresent the author's views. Or she will provide a view that the source is challenging or rejecting, without providing the critique; the author of the work cited is thus presented as holding a view he or she actually criticizes. Finally, Noleander quotes selectively, and the selections are taken out of context. This is common in most if not all articles Noleander creates - to the point where, on this basis alone, one could reasonably characterize Noleander as a disruptive editor. One reason that Noleander has evaded this charge has been by creating articles. By creating articles, she avoids coming into conflict with editors who have put serious work into existing editors.
  3. The effect of selective quotes, taken out of context, and other misrepresentations of the views of the authors of the sources is not random. The effect is to highlight slurs against Jews, or the facts that anti-Semites (e.g. the anonymous authors of Protocals of the Elders of Zion, or Henry Ford) regularly select in constructing their sterotypes of Jews. Simply put: Noleander systematically misrepresents sources in order to present anti-Semitic canards as facts.

The effect of promoting anti-Semitic views through encyclopedia articles, in my view, goes beyond simple violations of core content policies (NPOV, V, NOR). Certainly, every paragraph of Economic history of the Jews does violate NPOV and NOR. But if that is all that they did, it would just be another crappy article. As many supporters of Noleander have pointed out, Wikipedia is full of crappy articles, and being the on-line encyclopedia anyone can edit, we hope that over time crappy articles will be turned into good ones. The thing is, I don't think many of our editors are experts on the economic history of the Jews, or Jewish history, or economic history, and I do not think most editors have the time to research a whole new literature in order to spot -let alone fix - the errors in the article. In the meantime, people who come to Wikipedia not to edit but to learn, will read this article and, seeing all the citations - many to apparently Jewish authors - will assume it is a minimally reliable article.

And from this article they will learn that Jews historically have been drawn to money-lending, profit, and materialism, and are less moral than Christians. The usual disruptive editing, like vandalism, just makes Wikipedia look sloppy, which I like most of us consider a necessary and acceptable trade-off for being a wiki. Anti-semitic editing ... well, if we publish the same material as Stormfront as fact (rather than as an analysis of Stormfront's website), well, we end up looking like Stormfront. I do not want even just one of our articles to have that effect.

The effect of this article, like so many other articles Noleander has created, is not to provide an account of all significant views from reliable sources on a particular topic, in a way that will add to the reader's understanding of the world. The effect is to perpetuate racist stereotypes about Jews.

Because Wikipedia is edited by a mass of individuals, it has come up with good policies against personal attacks, and mechanisms for resolving personal disputes. But we have never found a good way to deal with impersonal attacks, attacks against whole classes of humans rather than individual editors.

Nevertheless, if Wikipedia is one thing, it is an encyclopedia. An encyclopedia is nothing, if it is not a means to add to people's knowledge. If we tolerate a series of articles whose purpose is to educate people only in ignorance and hatred, whether in the form of contempt or resentment or any of its other guises, then we discredit the whole project. And we undermine whatever trust we ask people to have in us.

Some people have suggested that we use this as a "teaching moment," to encourage Noleander to learn more about Jews. I appreciate this suggestion since it at least admits that there is something really wrong here. But Wikipedia is not a chat room, it is not a rehabilitation center. We ask a lot from our editors, to donate lots of time to research and write the world's largest on-line encyclopedia. That is a big enough task. It is not for us to try to re-educate anti-Semites. As I said from the beginning, I am not interested in what my fellow editors believe, only in their acts. Noleanders acts reveal a pattern of misrepresentation of sources that has one end, the perpetuation of anti-Semitic stereotypes of Jews.

If this does not justify a topic ban, I really have no idea what could possibly justify a topic ban. If we do not enforce a topic ban on Noleander, we might as well revoke all topic bans we have ever imposed on others. Slrubenstein | Talk 19:21, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Statement by Noleander

I have no objection to this proceeding as an arbitration case. Normally, the RFCU process should be exercised first, but in this instance it appears likely that RFCU would be no more conclusive than the ANI. I apologize to the arbitrators for imposing on you all ... I'm sure you have better things to do. But this case should be a very straightforward matter once the evidence is presented. --Noleander (talk) 00:37, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Preliminary decisions

Arbitrators' opinions on hearing this matter (10/0/0/1)

  • Accept John Vandenberg (chat) 03:53, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
    • Viriditas, thank you for a thought provoking statement. I would like to see the evidence before deciding whether innovative measures are warranted. Irrespective of this, my main concern is whether the community can hold out two months (or more) while the committee attempts to pass a decision which tries to do more than merely eliminates the problem. I'm seeing more than a few pitchforks already. Finally, can we count on you putting forward proposals on the workshop? John Vandenberg (chat) 08:42, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment: After having looked over the ANI discussion.. my thoughts: 99 times out of 100, we don't take a case without previous Dispute Resolution. This may be the 100th time, but I've noted the comments on the ANI page calling for a RFC/User on Noleander, as well as the counterpoint that it wouldn't lead anywhere. I'd like a sense of the community if this is one of the times we take a case without prior DR, and the likely/proximate results of having a RfC here. SirFozzie (talk) 03:57, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Accept. Obviously the parties have not yet been heard from yet on this request, so this is a tentative vote. However, it does not appear that the community discussion process on ANI is going to resolve this situation in any fashion that won't wind up here anyway. The ANI discussion has become almost too unwieldy to follow or to yield a consensus result, and its tone does not leave me optimistic that anyone will benefit from prolonging it much longer. Parties commenting may wish to respond to SirFozzie's question just above (with which this paragraph edit-conflicted), and to comment on what the scope of the case should be, if accepted. Newyorkbrad (talk) 04:10, 29 March 2011 (UTC) Confirming accept vote, no longer tentative. Newyorkbrad (talk) 14:16, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Accept. Yeah, I think this will go round in circles otherwise. Consider the committee the circuit breaker. Casliber (talk · contribs) 04:40, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Accept. Kirill [talk] [prof] 11:34, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Accept,  Roger talk 12:15, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Grudgingly accept. This shouldn't be here, but DR will just be a lot of people shouting at each other and end up here anyway.  iridescent 12:31, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Accept per Iridescent. Risker (talk) 14:14, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Accept. Due to the plague-ish nature of this topic, further DR will degenerate into partisan bickering, as it already has. Evidence should be on an expedited schedule. There appear to be serious complaints about misrepresenting references and POV plagiarism. This is either true or false, and it shouldn't take too long to investigate. Cool Hand Luke 15:44, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Accept - the discussion on ANI is somewhat polarised, and I'm not convinced a user conduct RfC would be a significant improvement. In this context, accept per SirFozzie and Iridescent. PhilKnight (talk) 17:20, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Accept--Elen of the Roads (talk) 22:55, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Accept per Iridescent. Jclemens (talk) 07:29, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

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