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Četvrti Jul

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Nothing notable in the text of the article, even in the Serbian or Serbo-Croatian versions (sr:4. јул (Зрењанин) or sh:Četvrti Jul (Zrenjanin). Unreferenced since its 2007 creation, and the Serbian and Serbo-Croatian versions don't have references either. I didn't find anything about the neighborhood in a (cursory) search, but I may have missed something because I got false positives from a Belgrade publishing house of the same name. Local Internet User (talk) 23:50, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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Delete — I've done a search in Serbian, and I only see the most routine of coverage (local basketball tournament, the town water supply failed...). The article is mostly personal knowledge, original research, or something you could see on Google maps, so even if there are some offline sources on Zrenjanin that have been overlooked, a WP:TNT deletion would be ok. JustARandomSquid (talk) 14:12, 29 November 2025 (UTC) Redirect per below.

• Delete not enough sources that I could find for the page. Agnieszka653 (talk) 16:25, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect to Zrenjanin, the small city of which it is part. Bearian (talk) 17:24, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

  Changing my vote, I like this. I would specifically prefer a redirect to Zrenjanin#Neighbourhoods in Zrenjanin though. JustARandomSquid (talk) 17:33, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

  Hi @JustARandomSquid, Thanks for your opinion. Since you changed your vote, I request you to strike your first vote or please review WP:AFDFORMAT for it. Fade258 (talk) 11:32, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

  Oops, yeah, thanks for the constructive criticism. JustARandomSquid (talk) 12:01, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

• Redirect to Zrenjanin is best, just tag it with {{R from subtopic}}. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 21:09, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

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Ragnar (yacht)

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This is an article about some random yacht owned by a rich dude not notable enough to get an article. The only sources are a obscure danish YouTube video showcasing the ship, a few yacht nerd sites talking about the model of ship and a business insider publication about the events surrounding how some dockworkers don't want to fuel the boat because they didn't like the dude who owns it. Pyrrhic victor (talk) 16:06, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

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KEEP - It's not just about a random yacht owned by a random dude. It is a yacht that, at the time, was owned by a sanctioned Russian. Also, unlike you claim, there are credible sources, like Business Insider, Superyacht Times and other Dutch news outlets. The yacht itself is also noteworthy looking at the fairly large rebuild/redesign the ship has undergone. Which was, I think, one of the first of this magnitude. 102Legobrick (talk) 16:29, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

Oh, my mistake I wasn't aware of the considerable of the renovations to the vessel and if you're correct in the degree of modification then I would agree the vessel would be notable. Thanks for pointing that out don't know how I missed it. on second thought the modifications should go more towards the company that modified it rather than the ship itself and the modifications while interesting, I don't think they make it notable. Pyrrhic victor (talk) 19:21, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete: No coverage in RS, rich guy gets a boat, and that's about all. The rest is a technical description that doesn't add to notability. I don't find any sources about it, in RS of course. Oaktree b (talk) 23:50, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
• Keep The Norway incident was also covered by The Independent. The later course of the yacht was covered by The Times of Malta. The Scottish Daily Record covered the yacht's visit in 2021. Russian Forbes (from a staff writer) dedicated roughly 100 words to the yacht in 2020. The coverage in the trade press, which is plenty, should also be taken into account. Kelob2678 (talk) 22:49, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep - Based on those links, it seems like there's decent coverage in reliable sources about news-worthy events tied to the yacht. Personally, I'm not 100% convinced that the coverage is really about the yacht per se (it's really about the owner's nationality and sanctions tied to that), so if the yacht's owner had an article, I would've preferred merging the yacht into his page. But he doesn't, so I think keeping the yacht's article is justified by the coverage. Local Internet User (talk) 00:57, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Keep - Coverage from BuisnessInsider and other news sources meet GNG, and the ship is large enough to be considered notable by WP:SHIPS. She is also notable due to the arrest and design, per the international coverage accessible online. GGOTCC 20:24, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. There is sufficient coverage for WP:GNG: Business Insider and the sources identified by User:Kelob2678; there is also a video from the regional press (Dutch, not Danish) and several specialist sources. The nomination includes the usual talking-down of sources and a disregard for WP:NEXIST. In bottom line, the sourcing is solid, though not exceptional, and the arguments for deletion are not strong. gidonb (talk) 09:45, 3 December 2025 (UTC)

KEEP This isn’t just a yacht. Even Discovery Channel has an Episode about this boat (Mega Machines: Sea Giants, season 2 - episode 11). The focus must be the yacht, not the owner. Russian or not. This boat is a bit of a technical wonder. Bok001 (talk) 14:59, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

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Abduhashim Ismailov

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Only a single very obscure source (which cannot be opened therefore hard to assess its significance), therefore fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. Single sentence article lacking basic details. Abcmaxx (talk) 22:55, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Comment I have fixed the dead link in the article; it is here. The Smithsonian Folkways, the nonprofit record label of the Smithsonian Institution, the opposite of an "obscure source" and who rescued some the subjects music, has this to say about the subject: "Abduhashim Ismailov, who received the honorary title “Artist of the People” of Uzbekistan, is the most famous ghijak player in the country. He founded his own instrumental ensemble in 1983 and serves as its composer and head. Born in 1952 in the Ferghana Valley, he studied at Tashkent State Conservatory. He was the first to compose for this particular new combination of instruments made up of ghijak, nay, and qonun (box zither)." That appears to indicate the subject has cultural significance and a potential pass on WP:MUSICBIO. Whether we have sufficient to build an article is, however, the question... ResonantDis_tortion 13:38, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

  Keep per WP:ANYBIO. See subject's entry in Grove: . ResonantDis_tortion 13:53, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. Made recordings published by the Smithsonian Institution. Has an entry in Grove Music Online; a very significant music encyclopedia. Has been awarded the highest honor given to musicians in his country. Also won a Golden Gramophone Award in 1987 according to Grove; although oddly our article says that award wasn't established until later. Clearly passes WP:ANYBIO. Best.4meter4 (talk) 14:28, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Keep He has music in the Smithsonian Institution Agnieszka653 (talk) 16:47, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Weak delete - two citations are not quite enough for a BLP. Ping me if you find and add one or two more good sources. Bearian (talk) 17:22, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

@Bearian: More secondary sources with SIGCOV are likely to be found searching in Russian for Абдухошим Исмоилов.4meter4 (talk) 18:13, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

Did you follow my specific, concrete, sequential, and objective instructions? Is "likely found" the same as 100% "you find and add"? Bearian (talk) 21:39, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

This journal article has coverage beginning on page 39 . Best.4meter4 (talk) 23:21, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

• Keep per above. this article has significant coverage and reliable source to justify keeping. Hteiktinhein (talk) 06:20, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

• Keep per discussion above by @ResonantDistortion, @4meter4, and @Agnieszka653, if he received the honorary title "Artist of the People" of Uzbekistan, and if he is the most famous musician in the country, founded his own instrumental ensemble in 1983 and serves as its composer and head, and if he have made recordings published by Smithsonian Institution, and has a entry in Grove Music Online, and if he received the highest honor given to musicians in his country, if he also won a Golden Gramophone Award in 1987 according to Grove; he likely passes all of WP:ANYBIO and WP:MUSICBIO. KhantWiki (talk) 01:17, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

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Hazi Helo

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Fails WP:NALBUM / WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 22:59, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete fails WP:ALBUM and WP:GNG Agnieszka653 (talk) 18:13, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect to Najwa Karam#Studio albums – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 10:55, 1 December 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect to Najwa Karam#Studio albums is a good option, per {{R to list entry}}. -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 21:14, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

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Great Books of the 20th Century

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Cannot find any sources for the series that would count for notability (though there are some passing mentions, e.g. . These kinds of collections-by-the-publishers series with 0 input or intention from the original authors are almost never notable. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:24, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Neutral. I added a few sources. There actually was a second piece by Jocelyn McClurg that I found which was a little bit different; although had much overlap. I would say McClurg's two pieces collectively count as 1 piece of evidence of WP:SIGCOV. After the book series came out there were some re-reviews of the books themselves which was interesting. I added a couple of those to the article. The series got mentioned in an encyclopedia entry on one of the novels indicating the author of that entry found its inclusion in this group noteworthy in terms of the novel's longterm significance. That's the one thing pushing me into neutral on this rather than solidly on the delete side. The books themselves in this publication form do get mentioned in passing in WP:SECONDARY sources and we could cite the complete list only using secondary materials; although the coverage is perfunctory in those books. (I added some examples of secondary book sources cataloguing the series) It's definitely possible to have a brief article here not using any primary materials. That said, I think the nominator is correct that the overall sourcing in terms of critical reception/significance is limited; and really only one writer has independently written anything worth recording on it. It's not enough to make me say this is a keep. We could just WP:NOPAGE this by mentioning the inclusion of the novels in this book form in each individual page which would be reasonable anyway as we do cover re-printings of books in articles on books. That would mean taking the time to mention it in each individual novel page before deleting the article. 4meter4 (talk) 13:25, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per nom. This is an (rather) arbitrary list by the publisher to promote their books. Of course, there is some coverage, because the books on the list are notable. But if the series itself was so notable, where is the impact, the lasting legacy of the series itself? -- P 1 9 9  ✉ 21:19, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per above. One piece of sigcov is not enough, and the fact that the book was included in the list can be mentioned in the book's article if editors there consider such inclusion WP:DUE. Kelob2678 (talk) 22:43, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

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Hi Walter! I got new gf today!

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Every source in this article is a breaking news source from a single day in 2016. Except two sources that postdate this, , and a few sentences in a "13 of the creepiest, most messed-up YouTube videos" listicle , but this is not enough for notability per WP:GNG. Also I feel like there is some sort of BLP issue with this on account of the fact that he turned out to have nothing to do with the crime but the sources connect him to it. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:10, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete WP is not an archive of every flash in the pan social media phenomenon. Perhaps ONE line about this could be added to Disappearance of Kayla Berg, but only one line, so not enough for a merge. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 22:32, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
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• Keep After the article was created, another editor nominated it for DYK, and the nomination was later passed. I believe the topic is notable. Yes it is connected to the missing-person case, but there are also sources that talk about the video itself and explain its context.

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  An article passing DYK does not contribute to notability. Roast (talk) 04:18, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

  I agree, I think I made a mistake in assessing notability. Z E T A^C 16:00, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

  same 1timeuse75 (talk) 18:35, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

• Delete The fact that the article is listed as a "hoax" also seems inappropriate, and leads me to agree with your BLP concern. It's pretty clearly just a non-noteworthy joke video that people unjustifiably connected to a disappearance. If it were a hoax that was intentionally made for that purpose, maybe it would be notable, but its notability really only comes from a misunderstanding / internet panic that existed for one day, and that seems to have been obviously nonsense even at that time. I don't see a justification to keep an article that implies there was something newsworthy about it.

Local Internet User (talk) 01:09, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

• Delete Although in-depth coverage exists in contemporary sources, there are no recent sources to meet WP:LASTING. I will change my !vote if recent examples of WP:SIGCOV are provided. The Knowledge Pirate (talk) 05:07, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

Redirect to Disappearance of Kayla Berg and add a few lines to reference that specific incident. WeirdNAnnoyed has a point here, this is pretty much a flash in a pan. Though a side question, how many DYK-nominated articles have been sent to AfD? Frank_{(has DemoCracy DeprivaTion)} 07:43, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

@DemocracyDeprivationDisorder One of the DYK criteria is newness after all, so it's not surprising to me that there are articles that have been: made, nominated for DYK, and then deleted. It's like the circle of life of Wikipedia articles. 1timeuse75 (talk) 18:12, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

• Delete no sign of meeting WP:LASTING. ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 12:42, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:LASTING. The video is already mentioned briefly in the Disappearance of Kayla Berg article, but nearly every source about this topic is either unreliable, or WP:PRIMARYNEWS sources from during the investigation. After the video was determined to be a hoax, it has received zero coverage from reputable sources, and as such doesn't meet WP:LASTING. I wouldn't be opposed to redirecting this to Disappearance of Kayla Berg, but I won't explicitly recommend it, since the video is only tangentially related to the disappearance (the latter of which is the only reason the video got covered in the first place). – Epicgenius (talk) 13:16, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

  No there was coverage after it was "determined to be a hoax", the Dread Central article. 1timeuse75 (talk) 18:03, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

  Hmm. I had doubts about Dread Central at first, although WP:WPVG seems to consider it a reliable source, if weakly. However, there are two additional issues: this source doesn't talk about the video much (only one paragraph and a portion of a second even discusses this video), and we still need proof of sustained, in-depth coverage in multiple reliable sources to prove notability. It doesn't have to be continuous, or even ongoing, but my earlier search on this topic only turned up Dread Central and that listicle mentioned in the nom. – Epicgenius (talk) 23:19, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

  For what it is worth, I think Dread Central is fine, but I do not think it as one source is enough. PARAKANYAA (talk) 23:22, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

• Delete - while an article about a hoax or a joke (unclear which it was) can be notable, since this is a BLP incident, it needs ongoing, significant coverage. This is especially true because it involves at least one person who was allegedly a minor at the time. The most common outcome about child actors and "stupid young people tricks" has been they are deleted, not redirected, because their consent didn't exist, or wasn't given freely by a developing brain. Bearian (talk) 15:59, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Delete I can't find any secondary sources to add to the page. Agnieszka653 (talk) 17:27, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
• delete - like Bearian said above, while an article about a hoax or a joke (unclear which it was) can be notable, this video/subject has received some coverage, but not enough WP:SUSTAINED coverage to establish notability. This video was considered real for a period, and received some routine news coverage. That cant be considered as "significant coverage (sustained) over time", failing general notability guidelines. It also can be properly covered in the Disappearance of Kayla Berg article, if needed. —usernamekiran (talk) 16:07, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

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Wolf Predator

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Non notable. There's no significant out of universe reception to this fictional character, it's all just plot summary. Restore redirect? PARAKANYAA (talk) 21:55, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Merge to Predator (fictional species), for which there already is an article. There doesn't seem to be anything particularly special about this one character to make him pass WP:GNG. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:06, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

• Merge per zxcvbnm. Little sigcov to differentiate from the main species. Go D. Usopp (talk) 06:55, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

• Merge to Predator (fictional species) Agnieszka653 (talk) 17:31, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
• Checkuser note the content was added by a confirmed LTA. The redirect should be restored and reprotected per banned means banned.-- Ponyo^{bons mots} 21:51, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

  I prefer restoring the original redirect in light of this because the main predator article doesn't mention this. PARAKANYAA (talk) 22:17, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

• Keep or Merge The article is a bit fannish, but it contains a properly sourced critical reception section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Darkfrog24 (talk • contribs) 19:52, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

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Yoshimi zaka

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Does not meet WP:NGEO. Very minor street, unsourced for 20 years at this point. Coeusin (talk) 21:52, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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  • Delete, no sources in the article, and I couldn't find any notable mention in sources from a quick check.

  History6042😊 (Contact me) 18:12, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

Delete per nomination. Only found a passing mention in one document Katzrockso (talk) 22:24, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

Delete, no plausible argument that this is notable. Dekimasuよ! 05:40, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

• There was already an AFD in 2006 at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Hebi zaka where it was closed as redirect to Tsuki no Misaki but it was restored in 2007. It could be merged back there maybe speedily due to the previous AFD but as it clearly hasn't been improved but given the AFD was nearly 20 years ago I'd just let this one run. Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:08, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Delete Per nom I did search for sources but couldn't find much. Agnieszka653 (talk) 17:34, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

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Murder of Francesca Bimpson

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Does not meet WP:LASTING Wisenerd (talk) 19:11, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Weak Keep- finding some more coverage even a few years after the tragic event, see 55 and 58. Lorraine Crane (talk) 09:49, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

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Delete: A very tragic, but quite typical event. WP:NEVENT requires that topics such as this require enduring historical significance to qualify for an article, and I don't believe that is met here by any metric. Coverage of this incident seems to be quite localized, without any followup after a few years. Further, we should consider the BLP implications of these articles - the family of this girl does not need their trauma immortalized on one of the most popular websites on the Internet indefinitely. Wikipedia is not a newspaper and we cannot and should not record every tragedy. MediaKyle (talk) 20:14, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

• Delete: Person died, offender is in jail... That's about the extend of the article here. I don't see anything in the news much past the time the event happened. 20 yrs later, this doesn't appear notable. Tragic, but not for wikipedia. Oaktree b (talk) 23:46, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: I can see why this article MAY not meet WP:LASTING, but I'm not sure if I should motion for this to be deleted, considering the rich coverage this subject has.

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 - Lead to the formation of this centre 8 - The death of the subject's dad. Truly tragic. These are some sources, I'm sure more exists out there, future voters, please consider this information as you continue to vote. Kvinnen (talk) 06:14, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

• Weak keep - Based on my comment above. Kvinnen • dispatch an owl 05:56, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
• Keep The murder was the topic of one of the episodes of the TV series "Nightmare in Suburbia" released in 2010. It was also shown on Lithuanian TV in 2021. Her father established the "Francesca Bimpson Support and Resource Centre", which was covered by the BBC in 2012 and later, for example in 2020, in local press. Kelob2678 (talk) 19:29, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep I found a few sources including two from the Guardian []and [] the BBC [] and [] The Irish Examiner [] The Times of London [] and the Herald: [] Agnieszka653 (talk) 17:51, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
• Keep - Per sources found above. Per overall coverage. Per WP:GNG.BabbaQ (talk) 15:40, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

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Mariana Oleskiv

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Removed as spam and not notable person in Ukraine WP. Head of the not notable state agency, no notable positions held. Lulakayd (talk) 15:22, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete Non-notable state agency, the best source in the article is an interview. AGF and all that, but it appears the creator engages in paid editing and was accused of it in Ukrainian Wikipedia.Kelob2678 (talk) 16:11, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete - while marketing tourism to the world is notable, she would not be. She's not a cabinet minister that would give a presumption of notability. There is at least one reliable source, but that's not enough for a BLP. I also think it would need to be re-done completely so it's not written as if it's a LinkedIn page. Since I support Ukraine and would love to visit, it's not personal. Lastly, I am concerned about possible conflicts of interest. Bearian (talk) 15:31, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Promotional and not notable. 🄻🄰 14:29, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

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Guy Katz

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This article seems to very obviously have been written by the article subject (see its edit history). It was deleted from the German Wikipedia for lack of notability and self-promotion. The English article has a lot of references and looks legit at a glance, but these references do not seem to actually check out. I can't tell that any of them are actually independent articles about this person. Most are articles he wrote, listings in directories or just quote him once but are actually about some organization he's promoting. Some of the references are to top-level sites that don't mention him. Most are error 404 or redirects at this point and I can't find them in archive.org/archive.today, including for articles that are supposedly just a year old. Here2rewrite (talk) 18:42, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete - we are not LinkedIn. Created by a user whose name is basically the subject's. Autobiographies are being used as an excuse to take away our tax exemption by our critics. Bearian (talk) 11:45, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

Delete per Bearian User:Easternsahara_{review this} 23:26, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

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Shane Smith (soccer)

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Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. Let'srun (talk) 17:17, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 11:04, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

  • Delete, no evidence of notability, I did a quick google search and nothing came up but some statistics pages.

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• Delete: No evidence of WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:GNG. Demt1298 (talk) 14:40, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

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Beth Ann Orton

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Subject fails to meet the WP:GNG because of a lack of WP:SIGCOV. Let'srun (talk) 17:08, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete – Per nom. Svartner (talk) 01:16, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Delete - one possibly unreliable citation is not enough for a BLP. Ping me if you find and add three better sources. Bearian (talk) 11:39, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

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Jarabacoa (cocktail)

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Unnotable cocktail. Previous nomination voted to transwiki it to Wikibooks, where it is in currently. Nighfidelity (talk) 16:07, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete - unsourced almost 15 years, this appears to be original content. Bearian (talk) 10:47, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

• Delete per Bearian. Darkfrog24 (talk) 01:34, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

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Matt Suggs

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This source has only one (maybe reliable) source to support notability and even that I find difficult calling it the gold standard of reliable. Upon further investigation, there were no other reliable sources for this musician, there seemed to only be sources for other Matt Suggs such as a baseball player and a VP, community development for Homes by WestBay. Therefore, this page fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV Gjb0zWxOb (talk) 15:26, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep per WP:MUSICBIO#1. The subjects solo career has received secondary critical coverage in multiple sources: , , , , and . ResonantDis_tortion 17:17, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Keep Additional coverage Kelob2678 (talk) 17:33, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Keep Meets WP:MUSIC on multiple bullets. Chubbles (talk) 19:01, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Keep due to the multiple reliable sources coverage identified in this discussion which together shows a pass of WP:GNG so that deletion is unnecessary in my view, Atlantic306 (talk) 00:19, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Weak keep - I would love if someone could add more sources to this article that have been found. Bearian (talk) 10:46, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

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Hart, Austria

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Unsourced. Fails WP:GNG / WP:GEOLAND.4meter4 (talk) 15:01, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep per WP:GEOLAND. Google Maps, Media , 163 residents in 2024 (Ortschafts- kennziffer (OKZ) is 03006) Kelob2678 (talk) 16:55, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per sources identified by Kelob2678, and additional sources available on the landfill dispute with Porr AG, which demonstrate that the village is a reasonably well-populated place. BD2412 T 18:58, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Withdrawing per WP:HEY. Nice work! Thank you BD2412 and Kelob2678.4meter4 (talk) 19:02, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
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Elyson de Dios

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i checked the article and i believe this person is not notable. ----modern_primat ඞඞඞ ^TALK 14:41, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. No WP:SIGCOV of him. Only one of his roles could be considered significant (most are minor parts), so fails WP:NACTOR. Suggest WP:SALT as this is AFD number 2.4meter4 (talk) 14:48, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
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• Delete - he's had a few parts, but he's not gotten significant coverage. He's been more than a redshirt, but less than a supporting cast member. Bearian (talk) 10:38, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: not passed WP:NACTOR and WP:SIGCOV. ROY is WAR Talk! 00:12, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
• Delete due to notability issues --Lenticel ^(talk) 01:04, 3 December 2025 (UTC)
• Delete Clearly fails Notability with no reliable sources to establish it. Pizza on Pineapple ^{(Let's eat🍕)} 13:45, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

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Hættuleg hljómsveit & glæpakvendið Stella

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Fails WP:NALBUM/ WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 13:43, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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Redirect to Megas#Discography as a potential ATD. Nighfidelity (talk) 16:14, 28 November 2025 (UTC) Keep per sources founded by @Alvaldi:. Nighfidelity (talk) 21:51, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep The album has been featured prominently in the Icelandic media Alvaldi (talk) 08:39, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Keep: per sources found by @Alvaldi:. RedShellMomentum ☎ ✎ 19:23, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

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Parallel Tales

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Does not meet WP:NFF, production has not met notability guidelines, draft already exists and has been declined AFC BOVINEBOY2008 09:11, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

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Keep: Good coverage from Variety and ScreenDaily, also seeing more sources such as the Tehran Times and The Hollywood Reporter . I know it's not even out yet, but if sources are already covering it to this degree, I think we can call it a GNG pass and let it develop more once it comes out. MediaKyle (talk) 20:31, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

• Redirect to Asghar_Farhadi#Filmography: With NFF, the commencement of principal photography is only the threshold at which we can begin to consider if an unreleased film is notable. An unreleased film isn't notable because it has begun. I searched for sourcing under both titles and offhand, the coverage is fairly sporadic. There were some announcements before filming began, but there hasn't been any in-depth coverage of the actual filming. Now, an additional issue here is that the coverage appears to be your typical "we got a press release this month and we're going to put out an article based on that" type of coverage. You can even see that the coverage is primarily during two months: April and September, primarily April. There's not really a huge amount of discussion or coverage that you would see with some of the more major films.

The general rule of thumb with NFF is that the coverage must be heavy enough to where the production could be notable if everything were to come to a screeching halt and the film never released. It's not uncommon for this to happen, even with films that seemed to be all but guaranteed to release. Right now the coverage for this isn't heavy enough to show notability in the here and now. I think that a redirect with history to the director's article is the best bet. This can be restored once more coverage comes about, which will most likely be when it releases and gets some reviews. ReaderofthePack(formerly Tokyogirl79) (｡◕‿◕｡) 20:28, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Redirect (or draftify and create new redirect) - Fails WP:NFF as the press is also promotional churnalism and there is nothing notable about the production. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:20, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

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Khaled Abou Sleiman

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I'm nominating this one because it is spam and needs to be blown up and entirely rewritten even if it were notable. Alpha3031 (t • c) 11:42, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete Among the 11 sources in the article, 1. Interivew 2. Lacks sigcov. 3. Page not found. 4. Lacks sigcov. 5. The same as the first. 6. Doesn't mention him. 7. Doesn't mention him. 8. Lacks sigcov. 9. Cannot connect. 10. Cannot connect. 11. Cannot connect. Kelob2678 (talk) 17:51, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Delete - I'm not conceding yes notable, and we are not LinkedIn. Bearian (talk) 10:17, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Delete lacks WP:SIGCOV Agnieszka653 (talk) 17:55, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

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Kittl (design platform)

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Tagged this nn a few months ago, dunno about the AI generated and I don't really think it matters too much since it's a brochure either way, and the sources are still all your usual WP:SERIESA stuff and SPS. I guess the first, Business Insider source being the usual funding announcement format but lacking even real funding information (much less any other useful information) because they hyped it so much they did it before the funding round is a little new. Can't write an encyclopedia article out of hype though.

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Created with templates {{ORGCRIT assess table}} and {{ORGCRIT assess}} This table may not be a final or consensus view; it may summarize developing consensus, or reflect assessments of a single editor. Source Independent? Reliable? Significant coverage? Secondary? Overall value toward ORGCRIT Burroughs, Callum. "Kittl, an AI-powered design startup rivaling Canva, is set to raise funds from US giant IVP, sources say". Business Insider. Retrieved 2025-09-26. see nom "Kittl - Products, Competitors, Financials, Employees, Headquarters Locations". www.cbinsights.com. Retrieved 2025-09-26. database entry "Kittl 2025 Company Profile: Valuation, Funding & Investors | PitchBook". pitchbook.com. Retrieved 2025-09-26. ditto (maybe I should write an essay with a list of these reasons... but I guess we already have a few) "Online Photos Sector Report - Market & Investment Trends in August, 2025 - Tracxn". tracxn.com. Retrieved 2025-09-26. ... Barely mentions the company Allen, Patricia (2023-01-26). "Berlin-based Kittl draws up plans to expand its design platform with €10.8 million cash boost". EU-Startups. Retrieved 2025-06-19. usual funding announcement "Putting the ill back in communication, Heritage Type Co. nets $1.9 million". Tech.eu. 2021-10-08. Retrieved 2025-06-19. funding announcement "Kittl kicks it root down with $11.6 million". Tech.eu. 2023-01-26. Retrieved 2025-06-20. ditto Dillet, Romain (2024-01-24). "Kittl raises another $36M for its browser-based design tool". TechCrunch. Retrieved 2025-06-20. ditto. You know what, I might group the others together where I can Natalie Fear (2024-11-16). "Monotype collaborates with Kittl in huge upgrade for the design platform". Creative Bloq. Retrieved 2025-09-26. Partnership announcement Monotype. "Monotype and Kittl Announce Partnership at Web Summit 2024". www.prnewswire.com (Press release). Retrieved 2025-09-26. Presswire, EIN (16 September 2025). "Printify Announces Amplified 2025: Empowering Entrepreneurs to Launch and Grow Online Stores". FOX4. Retrieved 29 September 2025. press releases kittl.com (twice) literally the company website "Kittl Review: Is This Browser-Based Design Tool Worth It for Professional Designers? (2025) • THE ENDEARING DESIGNER". theendearingdesigner.com. 2025-07-04. Retrieved 2025-09-26. Heinrichs, Janine (2024-03-16). "Kittl Review: The Ultimate Tool for Graphic Designers?". JDD. Retrieved 2025-09-29. SPS Helyer, Ruby (2025-05-09). "7 reasons I'm replacing Adobe Illustrator with this service". XDA. Retrieved 2025-09-26. Valnet now Also, the list format, while having many merits, really obscures the fact that this is extremely boilerplate "content" Basu, Ritupriya (16 January 2025). "Meet Kittl, the intuitive and collaborative design tool built specifically for graphic designers". The Brand Identity. Retrieved 29 September 2025. interview Haan, Katherine (2024-03-20). "10 Best T-Shirt Design Websites Of 2025". Forbes Advisor. Retrieved 2025-09-26. WP:FORBESADVISOR Reed, Logan (2025-06-04). Passive Income Empire: Build 6+ Streams of Online Income with Affiliate Marketing, Self-Publishing, Print on Demand, and More. Megan Hollis. inkquesto (2025-08-20). Freelance Riches: How I Made My First $5,000 Online in 30 Days: Step-by-Step Guide to Landing High-Paying Freelance Clients, Building Your Online Income, and Achieving Financial Freedom. inkquesto. Self published books. Honestly even putting them here feels like spam. I don't need to say anything about trustpilot right? Surely?

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  Delete Can't find any sourcing that establishes notability with the standards for WP:NCORP or even WP:GNG. May be LLM generated too, though it's difficult to tell. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 18:57, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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Abo Taleb El Essawi

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Declined PROD. He has a career as an assistant coach but lacks WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 09:26, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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Pinging @SunloungerFrog:. Svartner (talk) 09:27, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

• Comment - I have not had the time to do it myself, but I understand that @ARandomName123 and Ortizesp had both managed to find some coverage by searching against the subject's name in Arabic. Cheers, SunloungerFrog (talk) 11:24, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Comment. Let's see what the coverage is. Here is a partial profile Geschichte (talk) 12:51, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 11:04, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Delete fails WP:GNG Agnieszka653 (talk) 17:56, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

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Karel Výborný

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WP:BLP issues were not resolved, notability not proven. The page currently does not contain any independent sources. When I tried to find some biographical details, the search engine only found physicist Karel Výborný (1978–2025). FromCzech (talk) 06:47, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete - we are not LinkedIn. Every BLP needs to be sourced about the person. Ping me if you find and add three better sources. Bearian (talk) 05:29, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Delete, similar to nom and above. I checked the papers included and they are decently cited, but there is no evidence that they are major publications. Without more information, for instance whether he has a permanent position etc this page fails all permutations of notability.Ldm1954 (talk) 14:22, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Delete. The publications are all from a short time window 2016–2020, consistent with the possibility that he was a student, finished his program, and then left academia. That is speculation, and incongruent with our article's claimed birthdate, but the fact that none of us can find anything beyond that means that we do not have evidence of academic notability. I checked what appears to be the relevant department at IEM CAS as well as running internal and external searches of the whole IEM site, and found nothing relevant. —David Eppstein (talk) 05:38, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

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ADC Ars et Labor Grottaglie

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Unsourced. Fails WP:ORG/WP:NSPORT/WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 06:00, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep – Per sources in it.wiki. Svartner (talk) 08:56, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
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• Weak keep If you ask me article needs a total cleanup, there are sources in Italian out there to use. WP:BEFORE is difficult so I understand the nomination. I however feel this article can be a viable edition to Wikipedia and really needs work done on it. Govvy (talk) 09:11, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per Svartner. 4meter4, please do better BEFORE searches before nominating an article, including clicking on foreign language wikis when they exist. SportingFlyer T·C 12:10, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

Good point on the Italian wiki sources. I should have checked there. That said, WP:NEXIST isn't everything. As a general rule unsourced pages, even when there are materials, aren't allowed to hang around forever. This has been an unsourced article for 19 years. Someone actually needs to put in some verified content (even if it just verifies one or two sentences) or we should just remove all of it. I contemplated redirecting it to Eccellenza Apulia. I may still do that if no article improvement happens. We can't support unsourced material per WP:BURDEN because people can just blank the page in such cases, and be correct in doing so under verifiable rules Facts or claims without an inline citation to a reliable source that directly supports[b] them may be removed. They should not be restored without an inline citation to a reliable source. It would be helpful here for those who understand this sport and its Italian language sources (I don't particularly) to be the ones to take the time to add even just one inline citation. That to me would be sufficient to rescue this if the consensus here is that SIGCOV exists. Best.4meter4 (talk) 12:48, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep per arguments above which demonstrate notability. GiantSnowman 19:44, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Keep AfD not should be used as means to force improvements, it should only be used for articles that do not pass the notability threshold. Clearly an article with 16x WP:RS's on Italian Wikipedia meets this threshold, and given we have articles on most Eccellenza football clubs notability is clearly established. Abcmaxx (talk) 23:42, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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Grosstaktik

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Unsourced. Fails WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 05:41, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Redirect to Guidon Games#Products: I appreciate User:Guinness323's efforts to improve the article, but the mention in the book Playing at the World ( or ) is a trivial one, and BoardGameGeek is not WP:RS (their listing directly copies from Wikipedia). I was unable to find better sources. Helpful Raccoon (talk) 07:42, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect would be appropriate. I am sure that several dippy zines of the time would have had extensive reviews of this monograph, but to date, are not online. Guinness323 (talk) 07:45, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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Topsy Phiri

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Closing admin suggested no prejudice against speedy renomination. As stated, the subject fails NBAD, which requires podium finish at the Grand Prix/Superseries and the World Tour tournaments. The tournament "Ethiopia International" doesn't pass NBAD. The subject also doesn't pass GNG and SIGCOV in the reliable sources. Search results are all Wikipedia mirrors, score sites, match results and other trivial mentions. zglph^•talk• 05:35, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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Delete per nom Wikiman2230 (talk) 19:39, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

• Delete - he is mentioned very briefly in this article but I can't find anything else of note. The other hits are all Wikipedia mirror sites or social media or database sources. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 10:45, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

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Greensburg Billikins

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Fails WP:GNG/ WP:ORG/ WP:NSPORT.4meter4 (talk) 05:30, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete Doesn't seem to have WP:SIGCOV fails WP:GNG Agnieszka653 (talk) 18:11, 30 November 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect to Central Basketball League per nom. Fails GNG due to a lack of SIGCOV. Frank Anchor 15:51, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

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Kari Grandi

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Unsourced. Fails WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 05:08, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete – Lacks WP:SIGCOV. Svartner (talk) 09:03, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Draftify: Provide the time and space to work on gathering appropriate sources to show notability. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:42, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

  It’s not eligible for draft due to it being a 20 year old article. See WP:DRAFTNO which states articles older than 90 days should not be draftified. That ship sailed long ago back in 2005.4meter4 (talk) 18:16, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

  Ah, fair. Best to just delete for WP:TNT then. - UtherSRG (talk) 20:39, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

• Redirect to Eeki Mantere, who played the character. Bearian (talk) 05:26, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

I like it. I would support that. It's too bad there isn't an article on Grandi (juice). That would have been a better target.4meter4 (talk) 05:42, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: I have added more material based on the Finnish article and the article now has references. JIP | Talk 18:27, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Merge with Grandi Agnieszka653 (talk) 18:14, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

@Agnieszka653: Not possible. That's a disambiguation page. We also have no article on the Grandi product referred to in the article on the English wikipedia.4meter4 (talk) 19:11, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

Ah I see--I just read up on Kari Grandi and like it says in the lead it's a fictional advertisement in a Grandi ad for the Finnish Juice brand...in that case *Delete Agnieszka653 (talk) 19:27, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

• Comment: There now is an article Grandi (juice). If Kari Grandi is not notable enough on its own it can be merged to that article. JIP | Talk 21:05, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

@Agnieszka653:, @Bearian:, @Svartner:, @UtherSRG: An article on Grandi (juice) was just created. A few reliable sources (not enough for notability) were added to the Kari Grandi page. I would support a limited merge (ie the properly sourced stuff only) or redirect to Grandi (juice) as an WP:ATD. Thoughts?4meter4 (talk) 15:44, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

I can get behind a redirect. - UtherSRG (talk) 15:49, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

I'm ok with that redirect. Bearian (talk) 16:12, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

I'm ok with a redirect. Agnieszka653 (talk) 18:06, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

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Adam Hobbs

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Subject lacks the needed WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG adequately. Let'srun (talk) 04:47, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete – Fails in WP:GNG. Svartner (talk) 09:16, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: Fails WP:SIGCOV so fails WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:39, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:43, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: No evidence of WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:GNG Demt1298 (talk) 03:01, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Delete no WP:SIGCOV and fails WP:GNG Agnieszka653 (talk) 18:16, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

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Stanisław Bohdan Grabiński

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Unsourced since 2005. Fails WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 04:27, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep I can find a couple of sources about him, 1 and 2, and in addition a book search shows that he appears in several biographical dictionaries and dictionaries of heraldry. He also held elected office on Warsaw city council. Mccapra (talk) 08:20, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
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• Keep per WP:ANYBIO, he was awarded the Virtuti Militari. @Bearian:, I added references to the article. Kelob2678 (talk) 20:35, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Keep per WP:HEY - the proponent followed, literally, the instructions. I'd prefer a third source, but it's acceptable. Bearian (talk) 21:44, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Keep as per WP:HEY as the article has been significantly improved with the addition of references. Hteiktinhein (talk) 06:22, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

• Keep I see that sources were added to the article, if he appears in several biographical dictionaries and dictionaries of heraldry, and if he also held a elected office position on Warsaw city council, and if he was awarded the Virtuti Militari, he passes WP:ANYBIO and if the article's main components of sources were met and I have seen it addressed by the author, keep per WP:HEY.

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• Withdrawing. It's clear that ANYBIO has been demonstrated. This can be closed.4meter4 (talk) 01:29, 4 December 2025 (UTC)

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Stor-Age

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Not a G4, but unclear whether the issues at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Stor-Age have been addressed so bringing it here for discussion. Star Mississippi 03:09, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

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  I couldn't find what the previous author had made, but I figured I'd give this page another go, with broader sources, and more info. Especially considering it's now a massive REIT with global operations. Here are some examples of self storage company pages that are far worse than mine, that have not been deleted, just for comparison. I think this can remain and expand over time.

  Category:Storage companies Husskeyy (talk) 04:42, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

Delete: This is just a brochure, mostly sourced to the company's own promotional materials. A Google search turns up lots of press releases, and what appears to be sponsored content, but I see nothing of significance. MediaKyle (talk) 20:22, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

Can that then be said of the other self storage company pages? And should they also be nominated for deletion? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Storage_companies Husskeyy (talk) 16:53, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

Please be mindful of WP:OSE @Husskeyy but if you believe they don't meet notability, you're welcome to nominate them. Star Mississippi 18:24, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Fade258 (talk) 04:04, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

• Delete Not finding anything in the way of significant coverage. I expect many other self-storage companies could also be deleted as failing WP:NCORP. Anonrfjwhuikdzz (talk) 16:50, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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Federico Gozi

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Unsourced since 2005. Fails WP:GNG. 4meter4 (talk) 03:33, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Redirect to List of captains regent of San Marino, 1500–1700 – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 08:59, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
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• Redirect per above. If someone argues that he meets WP:NPOL by default, I counter with WP:PAGEDECIDE - we don't have more information than what fits into the list. Geschichte (talk) 13:02, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Comment The figure should meet WP:NPOL and a good WP:BEFORE of Italian language sources should be done before redirecting, although I am aware that it may be impossible to find additional sourcing on a figure this old. I can't read Italian, so I can't really do a good WP:BEFORE. TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 19:42, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect per Svartner. Mccapra (talk) 22:10, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Comment as the nominator, I support a redirect to List of captains regent of San Marino, 1500–1700 as an WP:ATD.4meter4 (talk) 22:28, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect as suggested. Bearian (talk) 05:22, 29 November 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect per above. Sure, he meets WP:NPOL as a head of state, but a head of state should at least have records of what he did for his country. If there is nothing, a redirect is better. Hteiktinhein (talk) 06:27, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

• Redirect to List of captains regent of San Marino, 1500–1700 per Svartner, he meets WP:NPOL as he was a head of state.

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Public holidays in Easter Island

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Not sure what to do with this. Unsourced article, fails WP:NLIST. The original source for this was a list of Chile holidays, so maybe redirect to Public holidays in Chile as an ATD? ARandomName123 (talk)^{Ping me!} 03:20, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Redirect per above. We do not need separate pages for every conceiveable territory, when nothing can be said that deviates from the main territory. Geschichte (talk) 13:04, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

• Delete - The person who created this was blocked in 2014 as a sock puppet. Easter Island is a small population, but a well documented main article. No need for this stand alone. — Maile (talk) 15:17, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect to Public holidays in Chile per nom. Abhishek0831996 (talk) 14:16, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

• Redirect as proposed. I don't doubt that most of these holidays are celebrated in Easter Island, just as they are in the rest of Chile. The Battle of Iquique, for example, occurred at a tremendous distance from Easter Island (4200 km) and had no special connexion with it. Athel cb (talk) 19:29, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

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Kids Power

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The article does not meet WP:NOTABILITY guidelines due to the lack of English language sources. The Kora Person (come say hi!) 02:42, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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WP:SIGCOV – which is a part of the notability guideline you linked – very clearly states that "sources do not have to be available online or written in English" aesurias (talk) 08:30, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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Will Mejia

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Subject lacks the necessary WP:SIGCOV to meet the WP:GNG. The current sources are all primary and all I could find elsewhere was [] from when the subject was in high school. Let'srun (talk) 02:29, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete: Fails WP:SIGCOV so fails WP:GNG. - UtherSRG (talk) 17:39, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found which show significant coverage please ping me. GiantSnowman 19:43, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Delete: No evidence of WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:GNG Demt1298 (talk) 03:03, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

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Yulha-dong

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Unsourced. A sub-sub-section of a city government isn't typically notable. Fails WP:GNG/WP:ORG.4meter4 (talk) 02:23, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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Redirect to Dong District, Daegu per nomination. I could only find blogs about this locality () as ATD. Perhaps someone with more Korean language knowledge can find additional sources + info Katzrockso (talk) 22:44, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

• Redirect as suggested, which is both reasonable and a common practice. Bearian (talk) 05:21, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

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Globo Loco

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Fails WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 01:49, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete. Unsourced almost 16 years, and link rot is making finding sources impracticable. Alternatively redirect to Stephen Mulhern. Bearian (talk) 02:30, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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Gli sbronzi di Rialto

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Fails WP:NALBUM/WP:GNG.4meter4 (talk) 01:46, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Redirect to Catarrhal Noise. tagged as unreferenced for 16 years. Due to link rot, we're increasingly unable to find any reliable sources. Bearian (talk) 02:04, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect to Catarrhal Noise#Discography – As WP:ATD. Svartner (talk) 09:10, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect. Regarding this specific article, I'm not sure that there has ever been sources. Geschichte (talk) 13:06, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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Hydarali kottikulam

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Non notable person. Promotional article. Shah Of Nowhere ^talk! 01:44, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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Don't see any promotional language, very short article, could you possibly withdraw this so the article can be draftified? If not, then Speedy delete under A7. --pro-anti-air ––>(talk)<–– 02:05, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

• Speedy delete db-band, no indication of notability per WP:MUSICBIO, and even the Google searches it's sourced with turn up nothing of consequence. I've just redirected Hydarali Kottikulam to this misspelled title. Wikishovel (talk) 18:03, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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The requested deletion currently reads I am the original author of this article and would like to request its deletion as I have created a more appropriate version elsewhere. Thank you" This can only mean Hydarali Kottikulam, so we can either proceed with this AFD as-is, or unredirect Hydarali Kottikulam and rename this AFD. Or we could simply speedy both db-band. Wikishovel (talk) 18:24, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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Borahis

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Non notable community, unreferenced article. Shah Of Nowhere ^talk! 01:42, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

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Comment moving this article to draftspace would be much more appropriate. Nominating an article for AfD only 33 minutes after it was created seems unnecessary. aesurias (talk) 02:00, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

• The article is stub and poorly written. But for notability concern, it is. A simple Google book search is enough for notability. It's notable ethnic group of Assam. The article should be re-written with proper sourcing. And my vote is Keep draftify. --SaTnamZIN (talk) 02:17, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

• Draftify this article. Disanjh (talk) 03:18, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Draftify as it is not close to appropriate as currently written. I think a redirect could be constructed for it, but I do not know the topic well enough. At a later stage a proper article could be written and go through AfC and replace the redirect.Ldm1954 (talk) 14:34, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

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Neil Amin-Smith

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British political advisor ('SpAd') and sometime musician. Not elected, so fails WP:NPOL as a politician and brief career with Clean Bandit doesn't confer notability. Redirect to Clean Bandit as AtD (his only possible claim to notability is the band, not as a political advisor) reverted, so we find ourselves here. Coverage presented is for Clean Bandit, not Amin-Smith. Wonder if there's a COI involved here, but honestly am not bothered. If not Redirect, Delete. Alexandermcnabb (talk) 16:00, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

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Keep: his notability as a political advisor is underscored by his several mentions in various reputed outlets (Politico, The Guardian) as Rachel Reeves' foremost advisor, and in his topping of The Standard's 'List of Sexiest Londoners' this year, both of which were my reasoning for constructing the article (as opposed solely to his time as a violinist in a band). I don't see why he should be considered any less notable than two of the other Clean Bandit members Grace Chatto and especially Jack Patterson, neither of whom are reported on individually as much in recent years. Amin-Smith does fail WP:NPOL (after all, civil servants aren't politicians), but fulfils every aspect of WP:GNG. Profavi1 (talk) 16:09, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep - As argued by the previous voter. The current article is lopsided and does not need to repeat basic info on Clean Bandit and Smith's place in the band. Conversely, the section on his political advising career can be expanded because he has received notice for influencing some powerful people. He does not need to satisfy WP:NPOL because he is not a politican running for office, but per WP:GNG he has achieved basic notability as someone who has been covered in reliable media sources. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 21:00, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

  But he hasn't - that's the issue here. The RS references on this page are all about Clean Bandit... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 15:25, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

It's true that the sources currently in the "Political career" section have a hard time introducing him without talking about his previous music career, but that is standard journalistic practice. After that obligatory coverage, my stance is that the sources are indeed about his current work as an advisor, however brief. Here are some more that follow the same pattern but still name him as an advisor to the powerful: , . ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:05, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

There's a lovely Arab phrase, the dog of a Sheikh is not a Sheikh - Advisors to the powerful are not themselves in power. Or, to be a tad more pithy, Wikipedia:Arguments to avoid in deletion discussions - notability is not inherited. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 17:06, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

Avoid the temptation to bludgeon when your points have already been made several times. Meanwhile, the argument that an advisor to the powerful is not in power, and therefore only inherits notability from the powerful, is a red herring that avoids the question of whether an advisor can be notable as an advisor. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 14:48, 24 November 2025 (UTC)

See this here indenting thing? It's used for discussion. I say a thing, you say a thing. Screaming bludgeon during dialogue is hardly conducive to discussion. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 05:36, 25 November 2025 (UTC)

• Delete Fully two-thirds of the current sourcing relates to Clean Bandit. That leaves the only claim to fame being mentioned incidentally in coverage or winning a "sexiest" list by one publication. That doesn't meet the significant coverage standard for me. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs ^talk 14:39, 19 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete: A special advisor isn't notable, the violin playing could be, but he's a rather minor member of the band. Sexiest anything isn't quite notable either. Most of the coverage is about the band, not about this person. Being on a politician's staff isn't notable, I'm not sure what's left... Oaktree b (talk) 20:50, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
• Keep: Although the sources cited are quite subpar, additional sources exist, thus he meets WP:GNG.Cornerstone1949 (talk) 02:16, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

  Do, please, feel free to provide links to three reliable sources that are independent of the subject. Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 04:30, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

  Here, or on the article? Cornerstone1949 (talk) 17:02, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

  Anywhere, TBH. Here's fine... Best Alexandermcnabb (talk) 17:07, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

• Keep: Amin-Smith has had an interesting career. Perhaps we can all agree on that! If he was just a musician, maybe you'd have a case to just redirect to Clean Bandit. If he was just a spad, maybe you'd have a case under WP:NPOL to delete. But he's been both and there's enough sourcing to write an article about him. In other words, he meets WP:GNG, including a Politico article all about him, and a lead role in a Standard article, and even an Attitude piece about his relationship ending. Bondegezou (talk) 21:54, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep per Bondegezou. The pieces in Politico and The Standard are enough for notability. Kelob2678 (talk) 22:27, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

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Yŏn Chayu

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I'm concerned that this may be a hoax article. I don't speak Korean, but none of the four forms of his name (Hangul, Hanja, RR, MR) came up with anything seemingly relevant in my searches (there were a few possible matches on Google Scholar for the Hanja name, but I couldn't be sure it was definitely about this person with just machine translation). It's absolutely possible that all sources for this person's existence are offline, but I have no way to check that. Suntooooth, it/he (talk | contribs) 02:14, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

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He appears to have been a real person, these sources are just Korean wikis/Encylopedias so they're not like the most ideal but they do suffice. I do think the figure is very obscure though hence why theres almost nothing on him, his most noteworthy things really are just being Prime Minister (but no records of what he did survive) and being an ancestor of his much more famous descendent. Sunnyediting99 (talk) 04:10, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

Did you want me to look at other potential sourcing? Sunnyediting99 (talk) 03:01, 7 November 2025 (UTC)

You can do what you want. Suntooooth, it/he (talk | contribs) 03:13, 7 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Comment: The Korean wiki links to a website that seems to reference a paper source from 1992, but I have no idea if that's a RS. I don't find anything, but wouldn't know where to look other than Gbooks or Gscholar, which don't turn up much. I don't have enough info to !vote at this time. Oaktree b (talk) 15:52, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

  Here's a few more sources and here, these are newspapers like Chosun Ilbo. That said I do agree its hard to verify this figure, I do lean towards keeping it. Sunnyediting99 (talk) 00:42, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep: Sources seem to talk about a person with this name, the last few mentioned above are likely RS. Oaktree b (talk) 14:45, 20 November 2025 (UTC)
• Keep: Forgot to vote on this, but I think its a very obscure (but historical) figure who we can verify was real and had some prominence. --Sunnyediting99 (talk) 20:48, 21 November 2025 (UTC)
• Redirect to Yŏn Kaesomun, his famous grandson, both sources provided above discuss him in this context. To have an article on a historical person, it is not enough to verify their existence, we need to have at least something substantial, sourced to RS, to add to the article. Here, we have nothing, not even his birth/death years. Kelob2678 (talk) 20:17, 27 November 2025 (UTC) The article states that he held a position akin to a Prime Minister, so one could argue he passes WP:NPOL. I would then say that we have WP:NOPAGE. Kelob2678 (talk) 21:13, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

  As the nominator, I agree that this would be a good course of action. If more sources are found later, the redirect can always be made back into a full article. Suntooooth, it/he (talk | contribs) 20:27, 27 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Redirect as suggested. I'm concerned about the large backlog of unsourced articles, but we are working on it. The consensus is that every article should have at least one reliable source. It's also a way to respond to our critics. Bearian (talk) 05:20, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

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Undergraduate degree

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Keep: While the article may require improvement in the information that it expresses, it doesn't mean that there aren't valid sources that exist to cover this topic (see WP:NEXIST). Considering that this satisfies WP:GNG, is a broad enough topic (more specific than the individual types of degrees), and is a Level-5 Vital article, I'd say what this article needs isn't deletion, but an increased supplement of reliable sources and restructuring, at best. — Alex26337 ^(talk) 09:48, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

At AfD we need to review the sources. They don't need to be in the article, but we can't just assume they exist either. What articles speak about "undergraduate degrees" as a thing rather than "undergraduate degree programmes" which lead to graduation with a degree? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 10:14, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

Delete per WP:TNT. The topic is covered more completely and less idiosyncratically at other articles (see e.g. Bachelor's degree). Tioaeu8943 (talk) 14:57, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

• Delete, nothing useful here that's not in Bachelor's degree. Chiswick Chap (talk) 16:08, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

Keep Per Alex26337, this is clearly notable. A quick Google shows many sources referring to 'undergraduate degree' - it obviously satisfied WP:GNG. I also note that the nominator has been going around removing links to this article prior to this discussion being completed, making the article appear less important to the rest of Wikipedia. Robminchin (talk) 16:21, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

And again, at AfD we need to review the sources. What independent reliable secondary sources are calling this thing an "undergraduate degree"? Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 17:02, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

A very quick Google shows that Collins Dictionary has examples of its use in The Times . Other uses at universities: (University of Kansas), (Old Dominion University), etc.

You have already noted the QAA document, although you mischaracterise this as talking about degree programs when it is actually talking about degrees (the Scottish MA, specifically). Other documents that I could find with a few minutes of searching include International recognition of studies, diplomas, and degrees as seen from an American perspective (UNESCO).

Basically, this is a standard term that is used all over the place. It appears that you did not do the basic check of searching for sources before nominating this article for deletion and are instead making other editors do the work for you. Robminchin (talk) 19:30, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

When the term is used on the admissions page of a college it is evident that they are talking about their programmes. Those are geared to undergraduate admissions to a degree programme. Where does it get used of graduates with one of these degrees? The Times quotes in Collins are a little more interesting but they lack essential context to evaluate the sources against the usual criteria. Also be aware of the talk on the talk page of the article, where, on 9 October 2018, an IP pointed out the curious effect of citogenesis (or a variant of it). And please assume good faith. Although a WP:BEFORE is not, in fact, required at AfD, it should be clear that I reviewed all sources on the page. In addition I read through the whole talk page and conducted Google searches and books searches. I found a lot of admissions brochures for undergraduate degree programmes, and see the nom. statement for my views on that. I did not find people saying things like "Baroness Casey has an undergraduate degree in history" in any sources. I did find people saying that on Wikipedia, mind. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 19:53, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

They are telling people what the qualification is that they are studying for. You are reading your interpretation into the sources against the plain meaning of the English language - they say things like "An undergraduate degree can be an associate or a bachelor's" (ODU) or "An undergraduate degree is an academic credential awarded by a college or university after completing a prescribed course of study" (KU). The quotes from The Times are clearly also referring in at least two of the cases to people who have graduated. The QAA document is talking about the qualification awarded. The UNESCO document uses undergraduate degree to talk about the qualification someone is expected to have prior to starting a master's degree.

I did a Google News search for you for "undergraduate degree in history" and the first result starts "Savannah Jackson earned her undergraduate degree in history at Saint Mary’s College in South Bend" . Another result has "DeSantis earned his undergraduate degree in history from Yale University" , while yet another has "Grubb studied pre-law, then English but eventually earned his undergraduate degree in history at Washington and Lee University" . It might not be Baroness Casey, but that bit's not particularly relevant.

You can also find stories saying things like "Recent research shows that jobs which once required A-level qualifications now need an undergraduate degree" or "Today, more people are pursuing higher education than ever before, so it’s normal to take an undergraduate degree for granted, and for job applications to be competitive" – again, clearly referring to the qualification.

WP:BEFORE literally starts "Prior to nominating article(s) for deletion, please be sure to:" and includes, under WP:DILIGENCE, "The minimum search expected is a normal Google search, a Google Books search, and a Google News search". Robminchin (talk) 22:54, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

I have already explained that I exceeded the requirements of WP:BEFORE. The issue is that we are not approaching this from the same angle. You appear to be arguing the page should exist based on the fact the term gets used, whereas I am saying that the page should only exist if there is a subject by this name. Although you will no doubt object that this is also exactly what you are arguing, and that you have presented evidence now that the usage of the term demonstrates the subject. But that is where the disagreement lies. That people speak loosely with this term is clear, and so that it shows up in some news sources is to be expected. None of those sources suggest that there is any encyclopaedic subject of "undergraduate degree" such that a graduate with a bachelors degree holds an "undergraduate degree." In fact they hold a degree. This is often a first degree, and they may hold a post-graduate qualification too. But the concept that a graduate might hold an "undergraduate degree" is sloppy usage, and the attempt to create a page based on occasional misusage would be WP:SYNTH.

Likewise, basing the page on admissions pages (as the page is now, and as per your sources 2 and 3) is only really valid if you are talking about undergraduate courses of study that lead to a degree. But what this page is saying is that there are a class of degrees that are undergraduate degrees (treated as a group and larger than bachelors degrees, the WP:COMMONNAME for those). Why? Well simply, I think, because they are not post-graduate degrees and because associate degrees and foundation degrees exist. But what sources do we have that say there is a class of degrees that are commonly (because the article must follow WP:COMMONNAME) called undergraduate degrees, once awarded? If this page is about undergraduate study it should be merged or renamed, per what I said in the nom. If this page is saying there are a class of degrees that are commonly called undergraduate degrees, we still don't have the sources for that. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 11:14, 15 November 2025 (UTC)

You appear to be shifting ground now that your original claims have been demonstrated to be incorrect. To be clear:

'it is actively harmful in suggesting the misnomer a bachelor's degree, once awarded, may be referred to as an "undergraduate degree"'. False. Reliable sources use 'undergraduate degree' to refer to bachelor's degrees, associate degrees, Scottish MAs, integrated master's degrees, etc.

'almost none of the references even hint that "undergraduate degree" is a thing.' False. It is referred to repeatedly by reliable sources.

'even here [the QAA document], they are clearly speaking about "undergraduate academic degree programs"'. False. They are talking about the Scottish MA, which is a qualification not a program.

'No source defines or makes the case that there is such a concept as "undergraduate degree" once the student has graduated.' False. Reliable sources repeatedly refer to people holding undergraduate degrees.

And, in your recent post, 'None of those sources suggest that there is any encyclopaedic subject of "undergraduate degree" such that a graduate with a bachelors degree holds an "undergraduate degree."'. False. The university articles cited, and others that could have been cited, do precisely that, with pages titled things like "What is an undergraduate degree" that state, explicitly, that it takes in bachelor's degrees. Reliable news sources repeatedly refer to people holding undergraduate degrees.

Basically, your whole premise is demonstrably false. It appears that the problem is that you don't like the term and so define any use of it as "people speak[ing] loosely". In Wikipedia, we are supposed to follow the sources, not decide that we know better than them. Robminchin (talk) 00:45, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

I have not shifted ground. I said at the outset that this article is a mix of WP:DICDEF, WP:OR and misunderstanding. It is a WP:DICDEF, despite dictionaries not actually including this definition themselves. I suspect you know that since you quoted the usages in Collins, but despite Collins finding a few usages, it appears they are insufficient for them to consider it meets the criteria for inclusion as a definition in their dictionary. What they do include, however, is a definition for first degree, thus:

People who have gained a higher qualification after completing a basic university degree such as a BA or a BSc refer to that basic degree as their first degree.

First degree, therefore, is the WP:COMMONNAME and if kept, the article should be renamed. Note that even in their definition, they do not include undergraduate degree. And they are not alone. The Oxford English Dictionary has no definition for undergraduate degree but says of first degree,

The academic qualification achieved by an undergraduate student on graduation (later often as contrasted with postgraduate qualifications); the course of study leading to this.

Wikipedia is not a dictionary, per WP:NOT, and dictionary definitions are excluded from articles under the second arm of WP:N, which states that a subject is notable for an article if it meets WP:GNG and is not excluded under WP:NOT. The dictionary definition is excluded.

What about WP:OR? Well, inasmuch as we are synthesising a subject from primary sources using the term (or not, as the case is for many of the sources), the article is WP:OR. However I am now less convinced there is not a subject here at all. But what sources speak to the subject? Noting that we have a page about bachelors degrees, and another for foundation degrees and another for associate degrees, this article is essentially a wrapper for these, around the definition of a first degree. That is, a degree that is not a postgraduate degree. We still don't have sources that show these are treated as a subject, but it perhaps stands to reason that such a subject might exist. How is it different from Undergraduate education though? What are secondary sources saying about first degrees as a class and subject in themselves, that is not said in an article on undergraduate education? Isn't this a case of WP:NOPAGE? Should this be merged with Undergraduate education? There is nothing that can be said here that cannot be said elsewhere (other than a dictionary definition that even dictionaries don't carry). Unless, that is, we have some sources that show otherwise. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 09:33, 18 November 2025 (UTC)

• Weak Keep I think the best outcome here is building this article up as an overview of the types of undergraduate degrees, with sections for each type of degree and "see more" links to each of those degrees. If people are looking for multiple types of undergraduate degrees, it would be useful to have something more than just a disambiguation page or the undergraduate education page mentioned earlier in this AfD. However, if that cannot be done, I support a redirect or deletion of some kind. "First degree" should probably be a redirect to this page. Royal Autumn Crest (talk) 14:52, 16 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Keep I was inclined to go redirect at first, but there are some decent arguments for keeping this as a general overview of the various types of undergraduate degrees, or at the very least dabify. Google Scholar has some results, which probably would be helpful to add. It is a legitimate question if this is a fork of undergraduate education and the assorted degrees. ← Metallurgist (talk) 04:14, 21 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete due to article's misleading content and not belonging to an established hierarchy of articles. Most of my ideas about this article has already been said above. I just want to add some good points to the discussion. First I compared Europe section in Bachelor's degree, Undergraduate education and Undergraduate degree. I would expect the latter two be mostly duplicate (or just in one of the articles and linked from the other), while the first one - Bachelor's - should have similarities, although not entirely duplicate. What I've found is far from my expectations unfortunately: While Undergraduate education sums up perfectly the prevalent European systems and Bachelor's degree (Associate's etc.) goes deeper into individual countries where this type of an undergraduate degree is established - so far pretty good - then there's the black sheep: Undergraduate degree lists just two countries under Europe. Why two and why those two? Where's any information about the rest of the countries? Do only those two countries have undergraduate's and none of the others? Or are they an example of a common system? It is like an article about Donald Trump missing anything about his political career since 2015 onwards. Second I couldn't find any Postgraduate degree / Graduate degree separate articles, they are just redirects. By this sentence I don't want to say Undergraduate degree article shouldn't exist as his "siblings" are nonexistent, but I want to stress out, that in similar cases the content of a potential Postgraduate degree article simply was written elsewhere, no need for a separate page. Keeping the article would only result in the article having issues listed above indefinitely. While deleting the article would warn the editors to start over really really carefully (if ever) and direct the potential good content to other already profound articles about the topic, not into a misleading incomplete stub-like one. Dvorapa (talk) 17:02, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. This is clearly a notable topic that passes WP:SIGCOV. Deficiencies in the article can be solved through editing.4meter4 (talk) 19:28, 5 December 2025 (UTC)

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Moritz Baier-Lentz

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No encyclopaedic relevance, self-promotional TmoTom (talk) 00:30, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

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  Thank you very much, as I usually only contribute to German Wikipedia, I was unsure about the procedure. TmoTom (talk) 23:15, 6 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete: There is not substantial, independent coverage of Baier-Lentz. His name appears in all of the used sources, but they are non-independent (WP:FORBESCON, companies that Baier-Lentz has worked at like Lightspeed, interviews that do not contribute to notability), one-line mentions that don't go into any depth (New York Times), and routine business announcements (VentureBeat, Axios). -- Reconrabbit 15:39, 13 November 2025 (UTC)
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• Keep: There are a number of news that cover Baier-Lentz as the main topic directly and aren't routine coverage, both in U.S. outlets (Business Insider, Axios, VentureBeat, PitchBook, TechCrunch, The Information, etc.) and in Germany (FAZ, Die Zeit, Die Welt, etc.). Including recent ones that are not included in the article for discussion, e.g., https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/unternehmen/moritz-baier-lentz-ein-aufsteiger-aus-deutschland-110250233.html. Google shows over 10 pages of results for his name for me. He's also been in numerous well-known German podcasts as a guest like Die Welt or OMR, which is the biggest German podcast featuring people and their background stories.

I don't know about the U.S., but in Germany, Baier-Lentz is one of the most well-known venture capital investors in Silicon Valley. And in the gaming industry, he is probably the best known investor (and most active). The "CEO Forum" that Baier-Lentz organizes every year in San Francisco is the biggest event for gathering all CEOs in gaming (including CEOs of all the publicly listed companies in U.S., Europe, and Asia), which would clearly indicate to me that Baier-Lentz is a notable and instrumental person in the global gaming & interactive media industry.

Aside from what is covered in the article, he does a lot of work advising high school and college students and co-authored a book that was in the Spiegel bestsellers in Germany last year, which is how I got to know him and why I am trying to move to the U.S. (and I know the same is true for many others). Maximilian.ludwig (talk) 20:11, 13 November 2025 (UTC)

Agree. Keep:

Multiple articles from sources that are independent, in English and German language, cover Baier-Lentz as the main subject or a key element (not only one-line), and clearly satisfy WP:NBASIC, including but not limited to:

- Axios: https://www.axios.com/pro/media-deals/2023/01/18/lightspeed-gaming-moritz-baier-lentz

- Business Insider: https://www.businessinsider.com/how-lightspeed-newest-vc-partner-became-top-gaming-investor-2023-1

- Business Insider: https://www.businessinsider.de/gruenderszene/business/dieser-vc-lief-eines-der-haertesten-rennen-der-welt-und-verraet-wie-er-neben-dem-job-dafuer-trainierte/

- FAZ: https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/unternehmen/moritz-baier-lentz-ein-aufsteiger-aus-deutschland-110250233.html

- GamesBeat: https://gamesbeat.com/lightspeed-picks-up-moritz-baier-lentz-to-lead-game-investments/

- Google Talks: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9EXAJOxFIE

- OMR: https://omr.com/de/daily/moritz-baier-lentz

- Pitchbook: https://pitchbook.com/news/articles/lightspeed-gaming-vc-investment-web3

- The Information: https://www.theinformation.com/articles/screentime-the-venture-investor-who-runs-through-antarctica-in-silence

- TechCrunch: https://techcrunch.com/2025/10/16/general-intuition-lands-134m-seed-to-teach-agents-spatial-reasoning-using-video-game-clips/

- TechCrunch: https://techcrunch.com/2020/02/20/gaming-focused-investment-firm-bitkraft-closes-in-on-at-least-140-million-for-its-second-fund/

- VentureBeat: https://venturebeat.com/games/game-changers-top-game-startup-list-returns-with-lightspeed-gamesbeat-and-nasdaq/

- WSJ: https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/world-models-ai-evolution-11275913

Beyond that, Baier-Lentz is widely recognized for his contributions in the gaming industry, including but not limited to: (a), In both 2023 and 2024, Baier-Lentz has been the leading venture capital investor in gaming and interactive media globally; having led rounds of aggregated $162 million and $252 million across both years, respectively. (b) Host of CEO Forum (largest CEO gathering in the gaming industry). (c) Creator of Game Theory (podcast hosting major industry CEOs) and Game Changers (largest annual gaming startup competition). He has also received multiple competitive awards relevant to his industry, including but not limited to 30 Under 30 (Forbes), 40 Under 40 (Capital), and Young Global Leaders (World Economic Forum). Ruisleipae-helsinki (talk) 14:35, 17 November 2025 (UTC)

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The FAZ piece linked above, while rather reading like an ad, is significant coverage. However, I would consider a merge/redirect to Lightspeed Venture Partners. IgelRM (talk) 01:12, 22 November 2025 (UTC)

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• Delete per Reconrabbit. Go D. Usopp (talk) 06:54, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

• Delete. Essentially per Reconrabbit also. On the FAZ article, I find it too heavily based off quotes to be considered independent, that may also be why Igel is finding it reads like an ad. No matter how important someone is, we cannot have an article based off WP:SPIP. I'm not so convinced Lightspeed Venture Partners should remain either, it currently appears to be based off routine coverage of funding rounds, however it may be some time before I am able to nominate it. Alpha3031 (t • c) 09:20, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

• Keep. The Wikipedia article itself needs major improvements, but the subject himself seems notable, per Maximilian.ludwig. and Ruisleipae-helsinki.

The FAZ article provides substantial amount of information

https://archive.is/20250124074456/https://www.faz.net/aktuell/wirtschaft/unternehmen/moritz-baier-lentz-ein-aufsteiger-aus-deutschland-110250233.html.

The one by SiGMA is short but also to the point and not promotional :

https://sigma.world/news/gaming-sector-boosted-by-leading-venture-capital-firm/ Deamonpen (talk) 09:31, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

A substantial amount of information directly from the subject, which would not be independent. The same applies to SiGMA, which is a company announcement. Using SPIP as the basis for an article contradicts the relevant guidelines. Alpha3031 (t • c) 10:39, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

SiGMA is an article created on the occasion of him being hired, but that does not equal being a company announcement. The FAZ article is not an interview and is written largely in the author's own voice. Deamonpen (talk) 10:58, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

I do not believe I have said that the FAZ article "is an interview". I have said the FAZ article is information directly from the subject, which is trivially evident if you look at all the aus der Sicht von Baier-Lentz and In Baier-Lentz’ eigenen Worten etc in the article (or, if no german, the quotation marks could be a hint). It's also ridiculously obvious it's a puff piece, you do not put words like Menschen wir Baier-Lentz braucht das Land, man sollte sie kennen. in serious journalism. (wir sprechen ihn frisch neu eingekleidet auf dem Weltwirtschafts­forum in Davos und lassen ihn weitestgehend in eigenen Worten über sein Leben berichten. translates to we spoke to him, freshly dressed, at the World Economic Forum in Davos and let him tell his story largely in his own words. by the way). I am seriously questioning if we are even reading the same article. Alpha3031 (t • c) 23:36, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Keep. Per Ruisleipae-helsinki and Deamonpen, and while I agree the article itself can be improved, the subject is clearly notable. That some included articles in themselves do not satisfy WP:NBASIC does not take away from the fact that many others clearly do (see Ruisleipae-helsinki for some of them), including FAZ (which is the second largest German newspaper by circulation, excluding tabloid Bild) and the the article was written by its Editor-in-Chief. For additional consideration of notability, and not included in the current version of the article, I found that Baier-Lentz earlier this year also co-founded General Intuition, which raised over $130 million in funding, reportedly the largest initial funding round in the gaming industry in history. Some coverage around this include The Verge (https://www.theverge.com/column/801370/ai-world-models-general-intuition-medal), Sources (https://sources.news/p/a-new-bet-on-what-comes-after-llms), Gamesbeat (https://gamesbeat.com/general-intuition-raises-133-7m-to-build-an-ai-frontier-research-lab-for-the-game-industry/), Techcrunch (https://techcrunch.com/2025/10/16/general-intuition-lands-134m-seed-to-teach-agents-spatial-reasoning-using-video-game-clips/), and the Wall Street Journal (https://www.wsj.com/tech/ai/world-models-ai-evolution-11275913). This effort (in addition to the fact that much of Baier-Lentz's notable work precedes his tenure at Lightspeed) also make the case for a standalone article vs. a merge proposed by IgelRM. Lastly, Lightspeed is one of the ten (probably top five) most notable venture-capital firms globally. I do agree their article can be significantly improved as well (per Alpha3031) and better, neutral sources are easily available. But it clearly warrants notability from my perspective; as do Baier-Lentz and other Lightspeed partners, such as Jeremy Liew or Michael Mignano. Mosaic2022 (talk) 21:07, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

I do agree their article can be significantly improved as well (per Alpha3031) would be a misrepresentation of what I have said. Alpha3031 (t • c) 22:22, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

My apologies, that's very fair. I should have said "in response to" and not "per". Mosaic2022 (talk) 00:40, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Don't worry about it I guess. I'm glad you're willing to clarify things when called out, but I still don't really see what being able to improve the article has to do with anything I said, considering my assertion is that all of the coverage is WP:SPIP (press releases, interviews, content substantially based off such press releases and interviews) and you've made no assertion otherwise, for FAZ or any other of the sources. You don't even need to be able to read german to be able to tell that it's primarily based on quotes, but such choice sentences like Menschen wir Baier-Lentz braucht das Land, man sollte sie kennen. really highlight what kind of source article this is. You can improve the article all you like, but if these are the sources we're working with... Alpha3031 (t • c) 03:54, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Thank you. To further clarify, my comment in relation to you was for Lightspeed, not Baier-Lentz. As it relates to FAZ, as I mentioned above, I'd argue it's among Germany's most reputable (probably leading together with Sueddeutsche Zeitung) and highest-circulation newspapers, and the author for this particle article on Baier-Lentz was the FAZ's Editor-in-Chief, which should only lend it additional credibility. For what it's worth, a Google search for "most reputable German written sources" retrieves FAZ as the first result as well. Mosaic2022 (talk) 17:27, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

I don't believe I've mentioned reliability of FAZ. This does not appear to show an understanding of the issue at hand. Alpha3031 (t • c) 23:14, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

Weak Keep Subject appears notable enough, but the article needs a serious de-WP:PROMO-ing; currently reads like a corporate bio page. RunningOnBrains^(talk) 16:26, 2 December 2025 (UTC)

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Germantown, Baltimore County, Maryland

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Fails WP:GNG/ WP:GEOLAND.4meter4 (talk) 01:01, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Maryland-related deletion discussions. 4meter4 (talk) 01:01, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Geography-related deletion discussions. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 09:07, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

• comment The only clear references I can find are in a fertilizer sampling report; everything else seems to be chance juxtapositions. The topos do show it, except that by the time they do, it's one continuous stream of built-up area from Baltimore on out. We need some more testimony of the palce. Mangoe (talk) 13:49, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

see here , it's a part of Perry Hall. Merge to Perry Hall, Maryland Katzrockso (talk) 22:39, 28 November 2025 (UTC)

possible further information on this town, but could also be about Germantown, Maryland Katzrockso (talk) 01:58, 30 November 2025 (UTC)

• Comment. As the nominator I support a merge to Perry Hall, Maryland. @Katzrockso: Kuddos on that source location. Great find!4meter4 (talk) 22:42, 28 November 2025 (UTC)
• Comment: Merging to Perry Hall makes sense here, there are enough sources to support the claim that "Germantown" essentially became Perry Hall., though it sounds like it was more of a merger as unincorporated places grew.--Milowent • ^hasspoken 22:22, 1 December 2025 (UTC)

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