Wikipedia:Bot requests/Archive 64

Wikipedia often refers to Creative Commons licences in our references and sources. The way that they are referred to is not always correct. There should never be a dash between the CC and its license elements. So CC BY, not CC-BY.^[1] Also Creative Commons capitalises its license abbreviations. I've made a table with common misspellings of the abbreviations:

I've started changing this manually, but that seems like a large repetitive task (I also get a lot of false positives as the search engine ignores the dash.^[2] To me this seems like a task for a bot.

Full disclosure: I work for Creative Commons in the Netherlands, I do not want to create the impression that I am changing material on behalf of Creative Commons, I want te factually represent the licenses and their abbreviations. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Martsniez (talk • contribs) 14:11, 16 April 2015‎

I don't think I'll have time to pursue this but I ran a search on the latest database dump. As a rough ceiling, about 30 000 articles contain the 'bad forms' listed above, though this includes many non-mainspace. See User:Jamesmcmahon0/CC abbreviation typos.

This could be probably be added as a typo correction at WT:AWB/T

That all said, I think you should probably go else where first and get a consensus for the changes. For instance there are quite a few templates such as Template:Cc-by-sa-1.0 (here:Category:Creative Commons copyright templates) that use your 'bad forms' Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 10:35, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

How does it do so? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:01, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing:The template names are Cc-by-sa-1.0 etc. but 'should be' CC BY-SA-1.0 (if capitalised) or at least Cc by-sa-1.0 - I don't really have an opinion on which way should be used, nor do I really know the template naming conventions, I was just trying to point out a few things Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 12:54, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. I think template names are less of concern than content displayed to our readers. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:16, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I went through all templates in that category, none of them use the abbreviated license name when embedded in an article. I agree with User talk:Pigsonthewing that the naming convention of these are not a concern in this case. I will link to this discussion from WT:AWB/T to see if we can get more consensus on this. --Martsniez (talk) 10:33, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Some examples of where this change might be made are needed. Also, care should be taken that the bot does not change quoted text. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:01, 21 April 2015 (UTC)

I believe User:Jamesmcmahon0 has found over 30k articles where this could be changed, are you looking for more than this? --Martsniez (talk) 10:33, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

@Martsniez: - I think he meant provide a few diffs of the type of edits. Jamesmcmahon0 (talk) 15:37, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

I don't see the need for this. The abbreviations we use here are the ones we use here. As long as the license link points to the right page on the CC site, what does it matter if we don't always capitalize things the way they do? This seems to be mostly a non-problem in search of an answer. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 07:12, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

This might be impossible, but I was wondering if a bot could help recategorize Kenyan villages/towns/cities into the appropriate county. There were previously eight provinces in Kenya, and most "populated places" in the county were categorized according to those provinces. Category:Populated places in Central Province (Kenya), for instance, contains 625 articles. Category:Populated places in Coast Province‎ contains another 481.

In a 2010 constitutional change, these provinces were eliminated, and replaced by 47 different counties. Yet five years later, a huge number of these place articles have never been updated to reflect the change. The only way to me, as a user, to update these articles is to open the article, click on the geo-location coordinates, figure out from google maps (where the county boundaries are clearly marked) which county it belongs to, then place it in the appropriate category. http://www.fallingrain.com/world/KE/

Is there any way a bot could go through these categories, look for articles with coordinates, compare those coordinates with the boundaries of the counties, and place the article in the appropriate county category? To me, that sounds like a lot to ask, but maybe it's possible? Thanks! - TheMightyQuill (talk) 07:24, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

The co-ordinates approach sounds next to impossible without knowing detailed boundaries, which I haven't been able to find online. On the other hand, I've found this data, which seems to be a fairly comprehensive list of places in Kenya, sorted by their counties. I've got this data in a database now, and it seems fairly trivial to update every article where they match. This won't be all of them (I'm sure there are spelling differences, etc.), but it should reduce the numbers fairly well. The rest could be done by hand. How does this sound, TheMightyQuill? Relentlessly (talk) 21:02, 5 May 2015 (UTC)

Sorry for my late reply - I've been on vacation. That sounds amazing, @Relentlessly:. If you move the ones you can, I can manually edit anything left over. By any chance, can a bot automatically update any existing infoboxes as well? - TheMightyQuill (talk) 22:54, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Could someone have a bot add all the articles on User:Exoplanetaryscience/List of numbered asteroids to Category:Numbered asteroids? exoplanetaryscience (talk) 17:32, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Where's the Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Astronomy discussion endorsing this? Need to have a positive assertion that we're ok. Hasteur (talk) 20:08, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

I'd discussed it with Tom.Reding in the section Summary of Remaining Redirected & Unredirected Asteroid Articles, and nobody else seemed to have any particular problem with it. exoplanetaryscience (talk) 17:00, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

This is more of a category-maintenance request. Of the 19,237 numbered asteroid pages, only 529 currently exist in that category. Please let us know if a separate discussion is still necessary and we'll start one at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Astronomy.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅contribs ⋅dgaf)  17:19, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

Posted.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅contribs ⋅dgaf)  14:58, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Coming here from WT:AST; this seems like a very reasonable request; I can't see any downsides to doing this. StringTheory11 (t • c) 15:43, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

As both someone involved in WP:AST and WP:BAG, this request is uncontroversial and has consensus. However, before proceding, WP:AST needs to think about how it wants to sort articles in the category. It's quite likely you'll need some form of 0 padding, and take care of a couple of cases manually. E.g. do you sort Ceres as 000001 Ceres or as Ceres? Do you sort 693 Zerbinetta as 000693 Zerbinetta or as Zerbinetta? Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 01:42, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Why would {{default sort}}ing need to be taken care of in the same bot request as simply adding a category? 693 Zerbinetta is still a numbered asteroid, regardless of how it's sorted. Furthermore, I haven't seen [[Category:Numbered asteroids]] with a qualifier attached (such as [[Category:Numbered asteroids|000001]]). I too want to see a standard {{default sort}} among the numbered asteroids, but grouping all the numbered asteroids seems like it should be the 1st step in that multi-step process.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅contribs ⋅dgaf)  16:18, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

I plan to go through every asteroid article and get this sorting done sooner or later, preferably sooner. Creating such a thing for the category itself would be a waste of programming, as I would later undo it anyways, so just leave it they way it is by default and I will later fix it manually or submit a separate request for such a thing to be done. exoplanetaryscience (talk) 18:14, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

What I'm doing is using the fact that [[Category:Numbered asteroids|000001]] doesn't exist (nor should it) as an argument for the simplicity of adding [[Category:Numbered asteroids]] to those articles needing it.

There is concensus at WT:AST, so I hope someone picks up this request.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅contribs ⋅dgaf)  13:53, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

At the time of posting here, there are three people in support of adding the category, but nowhere is the category's sort order addressed. If the sort key is omitted, then the sortkey set by {{DEFAULTSORT:}} will be used, which may not be present, in which case the page name becomes the sort key. This is alphanumeric, not pure numeric, so the sort order will by default be 1, 10, 100, 1000, 10000, 100000, 100001, 100002 which might not be what is desired. It is in fact contrary to the present sort order of Category:Numbered asteroids, which is Ceres, 2, 3, 4, 5 ... because those pages each have a sortkey, either a {{DEFAULTSORT:000001)}} or the explicit [[Category:Numbered asteroids|000001]] etc. --Redrose64 (talk) 14:19, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Well, 6 if you include exoplanetaryscience, StringTheory11, and myself.

Thanks for clarifying the problem; I see it now. Even though only 11/564 pages in Category:Numbered asteroids use a 0-padded 6-digit sortkey, the majority of articles to be placed in that category have a {{DefaultSort}} using a name instead of a number, so they'd be displayed improperly. I've updated the discussion at WT:AST.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅contribs ⋅dgaf)  19:14, 27 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Everyone, I'm a sysop in Arabic wikipedia. Recently, I found there that we have a lot of templates directly translated from English Wikipedia (English names have been maintained) but without interwiki. The templates are mainly for sport and chemistry articles. Is it possible to run a bot in English wiki that tries to find the equivalent in Arabic wikipedia and merge wikidata pages ? For example : Template:Chembox Dipole must be linked to ar:قالب:Chembox Dipole. The word قالب means Template. Thank you a lot. --Helmoony (talk) 16:35, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

When transcluding Commons media in the main page's "In the news" section, we upload local copies to ensure that they're protected immediately. Templates for the most common free licenses exists on both sites, but Commons also uses numerous tags of greater specificity or relevance to licenses rarely encountered at the English Wikipedia. In such instances, copying and pasting the image's description results in a broken license template transclusion (a red link).
I request that a bot scan c:Category:License tags (and its subcategories) and create local copies of all templates that don't exist at the English Wikipedia. This would require the substitution of all subtemplates (down to the lowest level), replacement of any Commons-specific CSS classes with code that functions here, and replacement of Commons categories with Category:Wikimedia Commons copyright templates (to be created specifically for this purpose).
Is this feasible? —David Levy 01:13, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Is it possible to automatically change the net worth to whatever it says here http://www.forbes.com/billionaires/list/#version:realtime or can it only be done manually? --Iady391 (talk) 16:11, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I think this is a good idea too.--88.104.133.190 (talk) 11:02, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

• Any progress?--88.104.132.1 (talk) 11:55, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Needs wider discussion.

What about a bot that can change the dates in reference tags? Such as in the outside of the "cite web" template, date could be incorrectly put outside the cite web template (which is within reference tags), or the date format is incorrect. For example, below is a date used incorrectly used within ref tags. (Note: ignore the filler text.)

<ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page|title=Wikipedia}} Retrieved on 25th May 2015</ref>

It should really be...

<ref>{{cite web|url=https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page|title=Wikipedia|accessdate=25 May 2015}}</ref>

Do you reckon this is a good idea? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 06:15, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, this is a good idea. -- Magioladitis (talk) 07:39, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Okay, what coding could be possible? Got any ideas? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 08:33, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

By the way, does your bot, Yobot, correct common Wikitext errors? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 08:43, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Qwertyxp2000 my bot fixes common syntax fixes but I think it's better someone else codes this and runs it. Perhaps GoingBatty. -- Magioladitis (talk) 19:49, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

Okay. I am just wondering about Yobot. Anyway, why not ask GoingBatty? Qwertyxp2000 (talk) 20:36, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

I would suggest a scan of the database be performed to determine how much of a problem this is. There is a risk that the proposed bot would see a date outside the citation tag and think action should be taken when in fact the date is legitimate. For example, it may be necessary to add date-related information outside the citation template because the citation template cannot represent it. Example:

• Sean Urban; P. Kenneth Seidelmann, eds. (2013). Explanatory Supplement to the Astronomical Almanac. University Science Books. p. 12. Errata retrieved May 25, 2015.

Jc3s5h (talk) 21:00, 25 May 2015 (UTC)

@Qwertyxp2000: This would be outside of the scope of my current BattyBot date fixing task, because it doesn't generate a CS1 date error. However, it would be interesting to try it manually for a while. I also wonder how Ohconfucius' date fixing script would handle this. Thanks! GoingBatty (talk) 00:35, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

@Jc3s5h: Could you represent the citation as {{cite book|title=Explanatory Supplement to the Astronomical Almanac|editor1 = Sean Urban | editor2=P. Kenneth Seidelmann | publisher = University Science Books | year = 2013 | page = 12 |chapter-url=http://aa.usno.navy.mil/publications/docs/exp_supp_errata.pdf |chapter=Errata |accessdate=May 25, 2015}}, which renders as:

Sean Urban; P. Kenneth Seidelmann, eds. (2013). "Errata" (PDF). Explanatory Supplement to the Astronomical Almanac. University Science Books. p. 12. Retrieved May 25, 2015.

— Preceding unsigned comment added by GoingBatty (talk • contribs) 00:40, 26 May 2015 UTC

I have several concerns with the use of cite book suggested by GoingBatty. Most important, since there is no way to deal with errata in the template documentation, editors are at liberty to improvise a way to deal with it, and it is an error for a bot to change any reasonable way of providing this information into false gibberish. Also, the proposed method provides false metadata. Also the proposal puts the word "errata" in double quotes as if it is a title, when in fact it is a description of the material.

I believe if a bot were created with the philosophy "If I find any date inside ref tags but outside the citation template, I'm going to turn it into an access date" the bot will make mistakes. The only hope of writing a bot that didn't make many mistakes would be to look for a very specific pattern. Something like <ref> followed by a CS1 template followed by "Retrieved on" followed by a date in an allowed format followed by </ref>, with not one single character of other information, except white space, present. But that would be such a rigid requirement that there might not be a worthwhile number of errors in the wild to correct. Jc3s5h (talk) 01:56, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

my Sources script will remove the entire ref because it points to a WP page; my MOSNUM script will strip the ordinal notation from the access date, but does not do anything apart from that. I haven't see that "problem format" before, so never contemplated a fix, and my feeling is that a targeted run by someone using AWB with a custom regex would quickly have that sorted. -- Ohc ^¡digame! 04:40, 26 May 2015 (UTC)

Continuing this Wikipedia:Bot_requests/Archive_62#Sync_official_website_with_Wikidata I asked Ladsgroup to perform a second run in Category:Official website different in Wikidata and Wikipedia using Dexbot. The bot checks whether the two values differ only in prefix (one has and the other does not). -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:35, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

@Magioladitis: You could also check whether the only difference is trailing slash (example.com vs example.com/ or example.com/foo vs example.com/foo/). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:37, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: Good idea. In fact, Ladsgroup already proposed to check whether the one url is a redirect of the other. I've found some pages with this case. -- Magioladitis (talk) 09:46, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

A new initiative (thank you, User:Harej) uses a script to collect stats on WikiProjects; including those which have zero members who have made more than one edit to an article in the project's scope in the last 90 days.

Please can a bot tag those projects with {{WikiProject status|inactive}}, as in this edit? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:06, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I guess Harej can do that. -- Magioladitis (talk) 11:15, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

I'm generally not a fan of tagging projects as inactive (I consider it a WikiProject's death knell), but if we are going to embark on automating this (isn't there already a bot that does this?), I would like to see two things happen first: (1) we condense defunct/inactive/semiactive/active down to just inactive/active, and (2) we come up with standard definitions for the two. Harej (talk) 14:35, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

It's worth noting the grades, and wording, at {{WikiProject status}}. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 08:11, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

Resolved

Basically, a website changed their linking from okazu.blogspot.com to okazu.yuricon.com, and made some other tiny changes to the URL (mostly removing ".html" and replacing it with a "/", and adding a day in the URL).

For example (to use the example given in the discussion):

http://okazu.blogspot.com/2009/05/lesbian-anthology-sparkling-rain.html

is now located at

http://okazu.yuricon.com/2009/05/15/lesbian-anthology-sparkling-rain-english/

You can read the details here. The list of links which need to be fixed is here.

Thanks for any help! ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 20:00, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

136 pages. -- Magioladitis (talk) 15:31, 8 May 2015 (UTC)

Do you need any other info? Please let me know. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:47, 14 May 2015 (UTC)

Any word on this? It's been over a week since anyone else commented here. Also, I moved the following section up and made it a subsection of this one as the tasks would be the same, just for different URLs. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:17, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Idea is not well explained. @Nihonjoe: Ok, I'll ask a question, How do we derive the YMD structure from just the YM structure that was there previously present short of having the bot opening a search on the new page looking for the "slug" that matches. My gut reaction is that I think this is a bad idea for a bot to do as it will need some sort of human component to decide which one is right. Hasteur (talk) 19:58, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

I can see how that would make things more complicated. Seeing as it is only the day and the .html that are different between the URLs, wouldn't it be fairly easy to have the bot cycle through the (at most, 31 for each entry) possibilities and then replace it with the one which comes up as a valid URL? Just have it go through a process like this:

• http://okazu.yuricon.com/2009/05/01/lesbian-anthology-sparkling-rain-english/ - Error 404 - Page Not Found
• http://okazu.yuricon.com/2009/05/02/lesbian-anthology-sparkling-rain-english/ - Error 404 - Page Not Found
• http://okazu.yuricon.com/2009/05/03/lesbian-anthology-sparkling-rain-english/ - Error 404 - Page Not Found
• http://okazu.yuricon.com/2009/05/04/lesbian-anthology-sparkling-rain-english/ - Error 404 - Page Not Found
• http://okazu.yuricon.com/2009/05/05/lesbian-anthology-sparkling-rain-english/ - Error 404 - Page Not Found
• http://okazu.yuricon.com/2009/05/06/lesbian-anthology-sparkling-rain-english/ - Error 404 - Page Not Found
• http://okazu.yuricon.com/2009/05/07/lesbian-anthology-sparkling-rain-english/ - Error 404 - Page Not Found
• http://okazu.yuricon.com/2009/05/08/lesbian-anthology-sparkling-rain-english/ - Error 404 - Page Not Found
• http://okazu.yuricon.com/2009/05/09/lesbian-anthology-sparkling-rain-english/ - Error 404 - Page Not Found
• http://okazu.yuricon.com/2009/05/10/lesbian-anthology-sparkling-rain-english/ - Error 404 - Page Not Found
• http://okazu.yuricon.com/2009/05/11/lesbian-anthology-sparkling-rain-english/ - Error 404 - Page Not Found
• http://okazu.yuricon.com/2009/05/12/lesbian-anthology-sparkling-rain-english/ - Error 404 - Page Not Found
• http://okazu.yuricon.com/2009/05/13/lesbian-anthology-sparkling-rain-english/ - Error 404 - Page Not Found
• http://okazu.yuricon.com/2009/05/14/lesbian-anthology-sparkling-rain-english/ - Error 404 - Page Not Found
• http://okazu.yuricon.com/2009/05/15/lesbian-anthology-sparkling-rain-english/ - valid
• Replace "http://okazu.blogspot.com/2009/05/lesbian-anthology-sparkling-rain.html" with "http://okazu.yuricon.com/2009/05/15/lesbian-anthology-sparkling-rain-english/"
• move on to the next one

I imagine a bot could do that much more quickly than a human. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:04, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Nihonjoe Have you contacted the site requesting permission for us to brute force crawl their website like that? The method you describe can be done, but is extremely resource intensive on the server being hit up. Also do you really want all of those pages updated? I think we're more looking at Articlespace pages and possibly active Talk pages (WT: and Article Talk). Hasteur (talk) 23:59, 20 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes (waiting for a reply), though if it was done in small groups over a week or so, I imagine it would be fine as it would spread the load over an extended period. The mainspace and mainspace talk pages are the most important ones, but it would be nice to fix all of them. There are only 136 links which need to be fixed, so if they were done 2-3 at a time, 2-3 times a day? ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 00:06, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

Got a tentative "Yes", but waiting to hear from the webmaster (the owner of the site replied). ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 02:23, 23 May 2015 (UTC)

@Nihonjoe: Ideally the task will run to completion, but I can insert a ~5 minute period. The links in Archives, I'm thinking not changing because we don't want to change talk archives. Also, do we want to save the state of the page after every unique link replacement or do we want to wait till we have all the links replaced before we move forward? This work for you? I'm going to start designing the bot task over the next few days. FYI: This does not look at the subsection below. Hasteur (talk) 00:15, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

@Hasteur: Okay, the owner of the site wrote back: "Hey, thanks so much for letting me know about this. Most of my traffic is from the USA, although I do get a fair amount of global traffice, but the upshot is, if you do the update during 12AM-8AM Eastern US time, it should be okay." The webmaster also wrote saying it was fine, as well. As for talk page archives, you can leave those alone. If there are multiple links on one page, it's fine to replace all of them and then save the page. If you can have the bot do the following task at the same time, that would be great. The one below is just a simple search and replace, not involving any web searches. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:54, 24 May 2015 (UTC)

@Hasteur: Just following up since it's been about 1.5 weeks. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 04:43, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

@Hasteur: Just following up since it's been about 2.5 weeks now. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 19:58, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

@Nihonjoe: Thank you I heard you the first time. Beein slightly more than a little busy at work and my discretionary time has been busy. I've got it doing the replacements, but I can't get the page generator set to work correctly so that it'll correctly identify the pages. Hasteur (talk) 22:53, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

@Hasteur: Sorry if you felt I was being impatient, but I reasoned I was being patient by waiting so long in between inquiries. I can understand being busy outside of Wikipedia as I've had plenty of that myself. I appreciate the update. That's what I was looking for. Thank you for tackling this project. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 07:16, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

BRFA filed. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 03:28, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

Y Done Hasteur (talk) 15:41, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks! ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 17:59, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

Per this section on the main page of the Trains in Japan WikiProject, we need to search the talk pages of all articles listed in the Category:Rail transport in Japan (and it's sub categories) for any of the following templates:

• Template:TWP
• Template:TrainsWikiProject
• Template:TrainsWikiproject
• Template:WP RR
• Template:WP Railways
• Template:WP Trains
• Template:WP trains
• Template:WPRAIL
• Template:WPTRAIN
• Template:WPTRAINS
• Template:WPTrains
• Template:WikiProject Rail
• Template:WikiProject Railroads
• Template:WikiProject Railways
• Template:WikiProject Train
• Template:WikiProject Trams
• Template:WikiProject trains
• Template:WikiProjectTrains
• Template:Wikiproject Trains
• Template:Wikiproject Trams

...and replace the above templates with Template:Trains in Japan. Additionally, a check should be made for "|Japan=yes" or "|japan=yes" and remove it if present as the replacement template automatically includes that. Here's a few examples of what the bot would do: 1, 2, 3, 4. The purpose of this is so the articles will be properly automatically placed into the appropriate articles by quality category. This will affect several hundred articles, though some have already been done so those would be ignored by this bot process. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:44, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Why {{Trains in Japan}}? Why not {{WikiProject Trains in Japan}}? Have WT:RAIL been informed? --Redrose64 (talk) 19:14, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

{{WikiProject Trains in Japan}} would be fine, too. They both point to the same thing. WP:RAIL hasn't been informed as I was just going by the referenced section on Wikipedia:WikiProject Trains in Japan (I'm a member of that project). This is simply implementing instructions already part of the project (the instructions specifically state to use {{Trains in Japan}} (which points to {{WikiProject Trains in Japan}}). As this doesn't affect WP:RAIL in the least (since it's a descendant project), there's no reason to notify them. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:38, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

As far as I recall we should avoid the wrapper and move the other direction. -- Magioladitis (talk) 21:53, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Why? The wrapper exists for a reason, so why not use it? It reduces the amount needing to be typed when adding the template. Also, for some reason, the Template:WikiProject Train doesn't put things into the correct categories, even though it should when |Japan= is present. I haven't been able to figure out why not. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:38, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Nihonjoe the later seems impossible. Maybe Frietje can check this. My guess that the wrapper was created for a reason but nowadays with all these bots running and with the WikiProject standardisation we may not need to use these wrappers anymore. -- Magioladitis (talk) 22:42, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Hence, the request to replace all of them with the wrapper. If you (or someone else) can figure out how to get the Template:WikiProject Train with |Japan= to work, then nothing needs to be done. There are other descendant projects where it works fine, and I copied the syntax used in those parts of the template, but it still won't work. Using the wrapper does. Very weird. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:55, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Please give examples of talk pages using {{WikiProject Trains in Japan}} where the categorisation is correct. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:32, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

Any of the pages showing up in the various subcategories here. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:19, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Many of those pages don't use {{WikiProject Trains in Japan}} at all, but instead use {{WikiProject Trains|Japan=yes}} or equivalent, yet the categorisation is the same. This suggests to me that it does not matter whether the wrapper is used or the main template. One thing that I noticed when I first looked at this matter is that every single one of the pages in subcategories of Category:WikiProject Trains in Japan articles by quality has {{WikiProject Japan|trains=yes}} or similar, which was an indication that it is {{WikiProject Japan|trains=yes}} which produced the categorisation that you desired.

I see that a few hours before this thread was raised, you made these changes. This should have the effect of populating subcategories of Category:WikiProject Trains in Japan articles by quality, and again it will not make a difference whether {{WikiProject Trains in Japan}} or {{WikiProject Trains|Japan=yes}} is used. Is there any problem with the categorisation? --Redrose64 (talk) 12:26, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I was doing things one step at a time, so the only changes were made to the {{WikiProject Trains}} template. I wanted to get it working correctly there before attempting to get it to work on {{WikiProject Japan}}. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 05:36, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

OK, I've looked into this a bit more. If a page has e.g. {{WikiProject Trains |class=c |Japan=yes }} (and no other banners) it is placed in Category:C-Class rail transport articles Category:Unknown-importance rail transport articles Category:C-Class WikiProject Trains in Japan articles, whereas if it has {{WikiProject Japan |class=c |trains=yes }} (and no other banners) it is placed in Category:C-Class Japan-related articles Category:Unknown-importance Japan-related articles Category:WikiProject Japan articles. There is thus nothing basically wrong with {{WikiProject Trains}}; however, code does seem to be lacking from {{WikiProject Japan}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:47, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

I've added the code for this to {{WikiProject Japan}} — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:14, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. That was going to be my next step after getting it to work in {{WikiProject Trains}}. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 05:36, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

{{WikiProject Trains in Japan}} reduces the amount needing to be typed - yes, it saves one character compared to {{WikiProject Trains|Japan=yes}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 23:26, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

I generally just type {{Trains in Japan}} or {{TIJ}}, and the latter saves quite a lot. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:22, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

Seeing as there are bots going around bypassing those redirects, I considered it fairer to compare the full template names. I could have suggested {{TWP|Japan=yes}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:26, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Maybe @MSGJ: can help? He really knows templates. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 23:19, 17 May 2015 (UTC)

I really know templates too, particularly the WikiProject banners and especially {{WikiProject Trains}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 12:26, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

Apparently so. In the past, I've always worked with MSGJ when I've run into WikiProject banner issues. Glad to know of a second person who is able to help. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 05:36, 19 May 2015 (UTC)

Nihonjoe We can add |Japan= to the existing banners if you like. --- Magioladitis (talk) 22:08, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

See my comment just above. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 22:38, 16 May 2015 (UTC)

As noted above by several people, it's better practice to use the parent template {{WikiProject Trains}} with the parameter |Japan=yes. If there is a problem with categorisation, I will look into it. I've just replaced one and the categories seem to work just fine ... — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:20, 18 May 2015 (UTC)

N Not done. ···日本穣^? · 投稿 · Talk to Nihonjoe · Join WP Japan! 18:05, 14 June 2015 (UTC)

The Globally Harmonized System of Classification and Labelling of Chemicals (GHS) is a harmonization scheme that many countries have adopted, including nearly all major English-speaking countries. Part of the GHS is the Safety Data Sheet (SDS), which is a standardized version of what was formerly known as a "Material Safety Data Sheet" (MSDS) in many countries. The page "material safety data sheet" has been moved to safety data sheet and I have requested a change be made to Template:Chembox & Template:Chembox Hazards. If you need more details, see Talk:Safety data sheet#Move to Safety Data Sheet and Wikipedia talk:Chemical infobox#Change MSDS to SDS.

Many chemicals have a page titled "[name of chemical] (data page)" which has a section titled "Material safety data sheet" and a link to the old page title Material safety data sheet. For example: Methanol (data page)#Material Safety Data Sheet (I didn't change that page so it could be an example for this discussion). I am asking for the help of a bot to:

• Change links to "Material safety data sheet" to "safety data sheet" (it's not the existence of a redirect link that is of concern, but the text displayed for the link)
• Change the section titles on pages titled "[name of chemical] (data page)" from "Material safety data sheet" to "Safety data sheet"

I have started a discussion at Wikipedia talk:Chemical infobox#Change MSDS to SDS concerning changes in the chemical infoboxes. At the time of making this request, there was no response in that discussion about whether a parameter in the infoboxes should be changed from "ExternalMSDS" to "ExternalSDS". Another editor made these changes to one of the infobox templates. I'm not familiar with template coding, so someone else will need to determine and coordinate any changes to the template parameters.

Also note that there are some links to the old page title that appear in the "What links here" (with transclusions and redirects hidden), but I cannot find the link in the article. For example Carbon monoxide is on the "What links here" (with transclusions and redirects hidden) for material safety data sheet, but when I click the edit tab and use the find functionality in my browser, I cannot find the link to material safety data sheet. I'm not sure why. On a final note, I'll be around for a few hours after making this request, but won't be around for the next couple of days. AHeneen (talk) 01:32, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

@AHeneen: Do you mean Carbon monoxide, or do you mean Carbon monoxide (data page)? Only the latter appears in Special:WhatLinksHere/Material safety data sheet; and the link is in the "Material safety data sheet" section. --Redrose64 (talk) 09:01, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

I'll rephrase. One request is: in page Carbon monoxide (data page), change section title "Material safety data sheet" (if exists) into "Safety data sheet" (uc/lc this way). There are some 155 such (datapage)'s, listed (indirectly, by parent page) in Category:Chemical articles having a data page. -DePiep (talk) 10:42, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

This is a small number that can be rapidly done by hand, or AWB. Since the header is linked too from the template I suggest the same person changes both in the same session. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 23:51, 16 July 2015 (UTC).

• N Not done per Rich Farmbrough (talk · contribs).—^cyberpower_Chat:Online 23:42, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Can we possibly change these rankings and automatically place them onto the respective Wikipedia page? The Most Beautiful Women of All Time e.g. in the Audrey Hepburn page mentioned that she is ranked #4 ?--88.104.132.1 (talk) 17:38, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Pursuant to the discussion at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#Can we get a bot to check the Internet Archive for dead link solutions?, we need a bot that will address dead links on Wikipedia by checking to see whether the URL has been archived at the Internet Archive, ideally finding whatever archiving is the closest in time to the addition of the link to the Wikipedia page. The bot would then replace the dead link with the Internet Archive link, with a note indicating that the content still needs to be confirmed by a human editor. Given the proliferation of dead links on Wikipedia, such a bot can massively improve the sourcing of articles. This bot program, once created, will be as important to the quality of Wikipedia as Cluebot is now. bd2412 T 23:31, 3 June 2015 (UTC)

Definitely. I haven't taken up a bot project in a while. I'll attempt this one. Officially, Doing...—^cyberpower_Chat:Online 15:06, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Great to see this happening. User:Ladsgroup was also thinking of working on this as we were discussing it. User:Ocaasi is also meeting with Internet Archives regarding API access.

A next step would be to have the bot trigger archiving of urls by Internet Archives which will require a collaboration with Internet Archives. This would be a further improvement as we would then have the correct version and it would occur before the url goes dead. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 19:09, 10 June 2015 (UTC)

I sincerely hope that I'm the only one working on this. I've spent a considerable amount of time and effort carefully coding up this bot, to let it go to waste. As for archiving URLs that have no archive, I'm way ahead of you on that one, and it's already implemented.—^cyberpower_Chat:Offline 04:26, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Alternatively (unless it's already done) one could think of creating a bot to archive/link stuff to WebCite; having more than one archive (as a backup and for links for which Wayback doesn't have a valid page) might be good. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 05:45, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

The person who runs WebCite cannot afford to have tons of links added. It is currently hosted by amazon and he is paying for it personally. He was interested in us taking it over but I think their are concerns with us hosting content that is none free. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 10:37, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Again, to reiterate, the bot is able to instantaneously archive active sites into the WayBack machine. The bot will essentially make sure that there will be an archived copy available before the link ever goes dead.—^cyberpower_Chat:Online 11:59, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Wonderful :-) Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 12:22, 15 June 2015 (UTC)

Brilliant. Please. If it also does past links, it could just pick the last archive copy before the edit linking to the page was made (often the later archived versions are 404 redirects or their like; it might also be useful to look for dramatic changes between archived versions). But these are added decorations. HLHJ (talk) 12:12, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

I'm working in the UK Government Web Archive. We have a far smaller set of archived sites than archive.org, but what we do have should be exhaustive - very few missing pages. That means that even if the same page is on archive.org, links from that page to nearby ones are much less likely to be broken. Is there any help I could give to use the bot with our archives too? (I imagine the same will go for various national web archives -eg the Australian Government archive, or the Portuguese one - all likely to have deeper coverage of our specialised areas than archive.org, especially for recent material).New marinheiro (talk) 12:52, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

• Y Done Bot has now been approved for use.—^cyberpower_Chat:Online 23:45, 26 August 2015 (UTC)

Many of the 276 species articles of genus Eleutherodactylus and linked from that article display the family as Leptodactylidae in the taxobox and the body of the article. But Eleutherodactylus is now considered to be in the Eleutherodactylidae family. Some articles that need this fix are Eleutherodactylus amplinympha, South Island telegraph frog (redirected from Eleutherodactylus audanti), Eleutherodactylus auriculatoides.

This task would take a long time to do by hand. Could a bot be generated to edit each of the Eleutherodactylus species articles and set the family to Eleutherodactylidae if it is not already?

I imagine the bot might operate something like this pseudocode:

 edit article
    within {{Taxobox}} template
       if familia parameter != "Eleutherodactylidae" 
          then replace familia parameter with "Eleutherodactylidae"
    after {{Taxobox}} template until first period character
       find the first use of character string "[[...]] family"
           where ... is any string of alphabetic characters.
       replace [[...]] with [[Eleutherodactylidae]]

This would work for at least the three articles listed here. I haven't verified it would work for all affected articles. It would mess up if the family were mentioned after the first sentence, or if the taxobox-style display were generated by a different template such as speciesbox. —Anomalocaris (talk) 04:17, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

• Y Done the pages displaying Leptodactylidae as the family (manually). Thine Antique Pen (talk) 22:10, 21 July 2015 (UTC)

There is Category:Templates using data from Wikidata, for templates using wikidata, which currently contains 29 pages... but searching in template namespace for insource:/\#property/ matches 88 pages. Adding missing templates to the category (or at least generating a worklist), and listing potentially miscategorised templates for human checking, seems like a useful task for a bot to run every so often, so that we have a more accurate idea of how many templates are actually using Wikidata. - Evad37 [talk] 06:44, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Actually, this isn't so simple – some templates are just checking wikidata to add tracking categories, and not actually using data directly - Evad37 [talk] 07:04, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

I suspect there are a number of templates not using the #property but instead using Lua via module-space to get the data. --Izno (talk) 15:22, 7 June 2015 (UTC)

Not a good task for a bot. I don't know if a bot can go around and tell if it is retrieving information from Wikidata. Also given the low count, I think it would simply be better to do it by hand.—^cyberpower_Chat:Offline 04:17, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

Would it be possible to have a bot help out clearing the above category? I've been doing this with AWB but it's now becoming too big of a job.

What I need is the following changes to transclusions of {{National Heritage List for England entry}}, including redirects {{English Heritage List entry}}, {{NHLE}} and {{National Heritage List for England}}:

• |separator=, AND |ps= replaced with |mode=cs2

Also the following non-essential changes to be made at the same time:

• |accessdate= to |access-date=
• |fewer-links=x to |fewer-links=yes

Probably best to do this in main space only and leave the handfull of non-main space uses for manual review.

Example: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Listed_buildings_in_Bromborough&type=revision&diff=665627653&oldid=654216431

Reason: This template defaults to Citation Style 1; previously it used the |separator= and |ps= parameters in tandem to switch to Citation Style 2, however |separator= is now deprecated and no longer works.

I'll keep going with AWB in the meantime, but would be grateful for any help. PC78 (talk) 15:28, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

I have modified an AutoEd script to clean these and can work on some of them today. Meanwhile, carry on with AWB. It's only a few hundred articles.

Anyone who wants a regex for these changes can look at User:Jonesey95/AutoEd/coauthors.js – Jonesey95 (talk) 17:17, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

Thanks for the help! As far as I can tell the category is still filling up and there are about 5000 transclusions in total. PC78 (talk) 17:24, 5 June 2015 (UTC)

I fixed somewhere over 300. There are currently 200 exactly. You are correct that the category is still being populated by the job queue. Category population based on template changes can take one to three months. – Jonesey95 (talk) 02:52, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

 Done. This category is empty for now. – Jonesey95 (talk) 14:22, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

Cheers, I cleared most of the others earlier today. I'll keep an eye on the category, make sure that it doesn't get out of hand again. PC78 (talk) 14:26, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

The CHU/S clerkbot has stopped marking completed requests as done, and its operator has signalled that they are unable to create a patch at this time, but would be fine with someone else updating the code or taking over the task.

The source code is here: https://github.com/legoktm/harej-bots/blob/master/chu.php

I believe the relevant code begins around line 276. Please let me know if you require any further information. –xeno^talk 12:41, 18 June 2015 (UTC)

Xeno has asked me to take a look. It shouldn't be too difficult to take over, but I'd like to first get Cyberbot II moving which should be happening really soon.—^cyberpower_Chat:Online 20:16, 25 June 2015 (UTC)

Doing...—^cyberpower_Chat:Online 01:09, 22 July 2015 (UTC)

Question: Can you please give me a description of the bug? It would make it a lot easier to find if I knew what to look for.

BRFA filed with fixed bugs.—^cyberpower_Chat:Online 23:15, 23 July 2015 (UTC)

Y Done—^cyberpower_{Chat:Limited Access} 03:02, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

There should be a bot that adds {{subst:AFC submission/draftnew}} on pages on the draftspace when there is no AFC tag on the draft and that removes duplicate AFC tags. --TL22 (talk) 18:32, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

Not a good task for a bot. There are two types of pages that live in the Draft namespace, those that are enrolled in AFC and those that are not. It has been expressed several times that anybody can create a page in the namespace and they are not required to be enrolled in AfC. Secure a consensus at the Draft namespace talk page (and with the AFC wikiproject) before making this proposal. Hasteur (talk)

@Hasteur: But can the "remove duplicate tags" task at least be done? --TL22 (talk) 18:48, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

@ToonLucas22: Needs more definiton as to what you mean by duplicate AFC tags, Also you need to secure a consensus from the AFC wikiproject) to make this kind of change as I know that the potential duplicate AFC tags may be useful (i.e. previous AFC declines). Hasteur (talk) 18:51, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

@Hasteur: what I mean with duplicate AfC tags is the markup {{AFC submission/pending}}, {{AFC submission/reviewing}}, {{AFC submission/draft}} or {{AFC submission/draftnew}} written twice. --TL22 (talk) 21:02, 17 June 2015 (UTC)

@ToonLucas22: which tag would then stay? E. Lee (talk) 13:46, 5 July 2015 (UTC)

I want a simple UI bot that runs on desktop or pc for the clash of clans game that is played in android and IOS device. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.92.206.138 (talk) 06:11, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, this page is only for requests that improve the Wikipedia encyclopedia or its sister projects. -- John of Reading (talk) 06:21, 23 June 2015 (UTC)

Denied.--88.104.134.194 (talk) 07:47, 24 June 2015 (UTC)

The computing reference desk would give you pointers. All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 21:33, 27 July 2015 (UTC).

Resolved

Please read Wikipedia:Village_pump_(technical)#Can_we_add_WikiProject_Poland_template_to_all_articles_that_are_missing_it_but_have_the_milhist-Poland_taskforce_template.3F. Piotrus requested that Yobot adds banners of WikiProject Poland to pages that already have the milhist-Poland taskforce template. Any comments are welcome. IF there are no disagreements the bot will start the task in the next few days.

Just for your information: Piotrus is a member of WikiProject Poland and both WikiProject Poland and WikiProject Military history were notified. -- Magioladitis (talk) 14:16, 1 July 2015 (UTC)

 Done -- Magioladitis (talk) 16:04, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Articles in Category:Academic journals may lack Template:WikiProject Academic Journals in their talk pages; could a bot check and list those, please? I guess asking a bot to fix automatically might be risky. Thanks. Fgnievinski (talk) 04:16, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

@Fgnievinski:  Done - see User:Fgnievinski/Academic journals. The category tree looks good for requesting the template be added. Note that some of the articles do not have talk pages. GoingBatty (talk) 14:00, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

More information Click on "►" below to display subcategories: ...

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@GoingBatty: Many thanks! We're discussing a few special cases at Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Academic_Journals#1500_untagged_academic-journal_articles and will be back with a decision later. Fgnievinski (talk) 20:52, 18 July 2015 (UTC)

Resolved

Can someone have a bot scan all the (approx 3650) transclusions of Template:infobox television season and provide a list of the values used with |bgcolour= or |bgcolor= or |headercolour= or |headercolor=? you can put the result in a subpage of my userspace, and I will process it to compute colour contrast ratios. thank you. Frietjes (talk) 14:10, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

The following redirects exist:

1. {{Infobox Smallville season}}
2. {{Infobox television Project Runway}}
3. {{Infobox reality dance competition}}
4. {{Infobox Strictly Come Dancing Series}}
5. {{Infobox Dancing with the Stars season}}
6. {{Infobox Dancing on Ice series}}
7. {{Infobox Television season}}
8. {{Infobox tvseason}}
9. {{Infobox Television Season}}
10. {{Infobox dancingwiththestarsseason}}
11. {{Infobox dancing with the stars}}
12. {{Infobox television series}}
13. {{Infobox Television Top Chef}}
14. {{Infobox Television Project Runway}}
15. {{Infobox TV series}}

All the best: Rich Farmbrough, 21:18, 27 July 2015 (UTC).

I'm curious as to the point of this, when we already have a tracking category for the ~1,000 instances with inaccessible colour combinations. Several threads on Template_talk:Infobox television season refer. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 21:26, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Andy: Frietjes wants the actual values, not only that the values are not compliant. To that end, that means that we actually only need to scan the uses of infobox TV season and its redirects which are also in the category that you provided. --Izno (talk) 21:30, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

What are we going to use the values for? Alakzi (talk) 21:33, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Besides the stated "compute a contrast ratio"? --Izno (talk) 21:36, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

I mean, to what end? It looks like this was requested by Dirtlawyer1, but the purpose is unclear to me. Alakzi (talk) 21:45, 27 July 2015 (UTC)

Thank you. My question was about the point of the request, not its content, which is clearly stated. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:47, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

Not being able to read either's mind, I would hazard a guess that the purpose is (one of the two):

• to get a list so that there's an understanding of the offending color combinations
• to modify each value in the list so that a bot can update the entire set of offending values at the same time to satisfy the consensus.

Supposition only, of course. --Izno (talk) 13:09, 28 July 2015 (UTC)

The "offending color combinations" are in the tracking category I mentioned above, so if, as you speculate, that is its purpose, this request is unnecessary. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:28, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

Let me rephrase bullet one, because bullet two should be obvious and is alone enough to sustain this request (which, by the way, your opinion on whether the request is necessary is irrelevant given that consensus is not needed simply for a request for information): to get a list of the offending color combinations so that there's an understanding of the offending color combinations. That this was the intent of bullet one should have been obvious, but since it apparently was not, I hope this second go at it is. --Izno (talk) 23:44, 29 July 2015 (UTC)

The list of "the offending color combinations" could be gotten from the subset of articles in the tracking category, rather than from the full set of articles using the template, since those outside that subset are by definintion not "offending". I contend that determining the most efficient way to fulfil the aims of a request posted here is very much relevant on this page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 23:04, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Which I acknowledged at 21:30, 27 July 2015 with "which are also in the category that you provided." --Izno (talk) 03:03, 31 July 2015 (UTC)

why is a request for information controversial? this is seriously a sad day for Wikipedia. Frietjes (talk) 15:14, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

I've no issue with it, personally; I was just curious. Alakzi (talk) 16:06, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

This should be all of them. Feel free to move the page to your userspace. Alakzi (talk) 17:07, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Alakzi, could you pair these with the transcluding article? Frietjes (talk) 17:21, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

@Frietjes: Done. Alakzi (talk) 17:35, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Alakzi, thank you, now transformed to User:Frietjes/contrast. looks like there are a bunch which are causing the contrast ratio calculator to barf. will work on fixing the module to parse hsl and some more named colours, but others will need fixes in the articles themselves. Frietjes (talk) 17:45, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

okay, all the ones with input errors should be now fixed. Frietjes (talk) 18:58, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Great, thanks for your work. Alakzi (talk) 19:13, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Same here, hence I opened my OP with the words "I'm curious...". It seems we shall never know. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 22:59, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

As per WP:CAT#T, seeking a bot to:

• Check Template namespace
• If a template is categorized in a category which transcludes {{template category}}, check other categories where it is categorized and remove the other categorizations, quoting WP:CAT#T.
• Not all template categories necessarily transclude {{template category}}, but should and is arguably a solution for false positives.
• If at least one category is assigned to the template, but no category is found that transcludes {{template category}}, possibly update a list of templates which need to be looked at as breaking WP:CAT#T, as opposed to taking an action that would leave them uncategorized. Slivicon (talk) 14:57, 6 August 2015 (UTC)

Needs wider discussion. You should probably seek consensus elsewhere that a bot should go around messing with template categorization, as opposed to leaving it for human judgment to fix. I could easily see a case made that templates may be categorized in other Wikipedia administration categories, for example. Anomie⚔ 19:54, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

@Anomie: Thanks for your time. My impression so far on this topic is that consensus for this topic is likely impossible, as it seems to be woven into a lot of varied opinion and interpretation. I'm learning that various guidelines are more like suggestions for those who care to follow them. While I guess that allows a lot of flexibility, it makes it difficult to find wikignoming niches for people like me to latch on to in the hope that they're actually helping the community rather than just wasting theirs and other's time. Anyway, on an aside, I'm also curious where the 'elsewhere' might be you referred to, as I have no clue where one would hope to achieve consensus in a discussion about such a topic. Slivicon (talk) 01:28, 15 August 2015 (UTC)

WP:Village pump (proposals) is generally a good place, along with posting a notice of the discussion to the talk pages of relevant WikiProjects, policies, and guidelines. Anomie⚔ 02:04, 16 August 2015 (UTC)

N Not done No further discussion took place.—^cyberpower_Chat:Online 12:36, 27 August 2015 (UTC)