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Category:People on Irish postage stamps

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: delete. Rough consensus developed that WP:NONDEF applies. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:03, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: Being on a postage stamp is not a defining characteristic. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 20:46, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
Question Hi @Kaffet i halsen: I created the category but I don't understand your rationale. Can you explain, please, what you mean by "defining characteristic"? By my reading, when someone features on a postage stamp, that indeed is a defining characteristic.
Or, to put the question by comparison, how do you think this category is less defining or less important or less useful than such categories as these, for example?
Category: Burials at Montparnasse Cemetery
Category: Deaths from emphysema
Category: Deaths from ulcers:: Category: Expatriates in Croatia
Category: Eyepatch wearers
Category: Irish former Christians
Category: Stabbing survivors
Category: Writers of pessimistic fiction
How is wearing an eyepatch or dying of an ulcer more "defining" than being honoured by a nation's postage stamp? Thank you. Spideog (talk) 21:23, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
"[A] defining characteristic is one that reliable, secondary sources commonly and consistently define, in prose, the subject as having". Reliable, secondary sources would commonly and consistently mention that a person was buried a Montparnasse Cemetery. Meanwhile, the article John F. Kennedy doesn't mention Kennedy is on an Irish postage stamp. That there are 43 lists of people on postage stamps and not 43 categories with people on postage stamp is perfectly valid as a list is a better way of conveying this information. See also Wikipedia:Categories, lists, and navigation templates. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 12:44, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
Except for the expats category, I'd !vote to get rid of all your examples. WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS especially with the tons non-defining categories. RevelationDirect (talk) 01:31, 8 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Request If someone knows how to list this nomination at WikiProject Philately and WikiProject Ireland to bring this discussion to appropriate, wider audiences, I would appreciate it. I have seen it done but do not know where to find the templates used to initiate wider discussion. Thank you. Spideog (talk) 22:15, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep:. I noticed this category earlier today because it got added to one of the articles I work on occasionally: Oliver Goldsmith. It seemed interesting and valuable to me to know that he got that nod from the Irish authorities who decide on such things, and it also seems interesting and noteworthy to see who else got that honor. I like this category. I realize the fact that I personally like it may not be all that important in the overall Wikipedia scheme of things, but I do thing it is interesting and valuable. Novellasyes (talk) 23:51, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:NONDEF. None of these people is particularly known for being on a stamp. By all means create lists instead. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:02, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Keep per others, this is interesting and noteworthy information and it's a common category. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 08:06, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment Let's review WP:NONDEF: "A defining characteristic is one that reliable sources commonly and consistently refer to in describing the topic, such as the nationality of a person or the geographic location of a place." This is not a defining category for John F. Kennedy, because reliable sources almost never mention it when talking about him. I can see how it might be defining for some people, mainly those whose principal claim to fame is that they were on an Irish postage stamp.
So I'm OK with all you philatelists wanting to have and use this category, but I reserve the right to remove it from some articles, even if the person involved seems to fit the category. Bruce leverett (talk) 12:16, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
I'm inclined to ask, then, why we have the likes of the various religious categories, when WP:CAT/R and WP:BLPCAT aren't widely enforced? Category:American (or English, or French, or...) person who had a priest sprinkle water on their head when they were a baby and had no say in the matter and who haven't really mentioned their religion, if any, anywhere, since is also not a defining category, but it seems to be in absolutely widespread use. There are many more similar examples. BastunĖġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ! 16:35, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
I'm not familiar with that content area, but as I say to anyone who poses WP:OSE-type questions like this - who's to say those are correct either? Do we know those would survive their own deletion discussion? Or if they have survived a deletion discussion, then what were the reasons presented there? Sergecross73 msg me 17:53, 9 June 2025 (UTC)
More information Hatting myself, off topic ...
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This discussion has been included in WikiProject Philately to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spideog (talk) 20:57, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

This discussion has been included in WikiProject Ireland to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Spideog (talk) 20:57, 15 June 2025 (UTC)

  • Keep. This category for WikiProject Philately is a subcategory of Category:People on stamps which, in turn, is a subset of Category:People in art. It is similar to the category in WikiProject Numismatics called Category:Depictions of people on currency. These established non-frivolous and non-trivial categories for people who have been honoured by nations on their stamps and currencies are relevant to the organization of articles in the Philately and Numismatics projects and are relevant and similar in scope to other categories containing people who have been honoured such as Category:Social status, Category:Honours systems, and Category:Awards (medals, fellowships, trophies, prizes, etc.). Many biographical articles mention the fact that the subjects have attracted the distinction of appearing on postage stamps within article sections with such titles as Awards, Honours, Legacy, Memorials, Recognition, Representation in culture, and so forth. Spideog (talk) 22:03, 15 June 2025 (UTC)
    Closer's note: this was Spideog's second !vote. I removed the bold. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 16:01, 3 July 2025 (UTC)
    None of the other subcategories of Category:People on stamps or Category:Depictions of people on currency contain biography articles though. Rather, they contain lists and articles on stamps/banknotes. RevelationDirect (talk) 23:42, 17 June 2025 (UTC)
    So? All of the articles in Category:People on stamps and Category:Depictions of people on currency contain biography articles, illustrating the established precedent of philatelic and numismatic categories containing biography articles. This is a subcategory in exactly the same vein inheriting the same legitimacy. Spideog (talk) 10:08, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
    No, the the articles in the category are List of people who have appeared on Australian currency and Mahatma Gandhi New Series and alike, not the biographies Edith Cowan (first entry in the former) and Mahatma Gandhi. Kaffet i halsen (talk) 17:39, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Delete per prior consensus at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2021 February 12#Category:People on postage stamps * Pppery * it has begun... 22:54, 18 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment: I get WP:NONDEF. Still, the first two sentences of Wikipedia:Categorization say (I added the bolding) "The central goal of the category system is to provide navigational links to pages in Wikipedia within a tree-like hierarchy of categories. Using essential, defining characteristics of a topic, readers can browse and quickly find sets of pages on topics that are defined by those characteristics." What I think the philately people are trying to say is that they have set up a tree-like hierarchy of categories to works for them, and apparently, which countries issue which stamps is part of that. This is part of how they navigate around and deal with their work projects, etc. Which stamps belong to which countries appears (to those who work on it) to be a defining characteristic of the topic. Novellasyes (talk) 13:18, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
    "Which countries issue which stamps" or "which stamps belong to which countries" are definitely defining for articles about stamps which then get placed into Category:Postage stamps by country. (The controversy here is whether articles about people should also go into that tree.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 23:20, 20 June 2025 (UTC)
Comment: Thank you, @Novellasyes:. You articulated the supporting case for this category, viewed from the WikiProject Philately perspective, more incisively than I did. The point of this category is best appreciated from the perspective of that project rather than appraising it from the viewpoint of biographical articles. Prior comments raising the question of "defining characteristic" seem to have minimised the utility and legitimacy of the category under discussion based on a lack of appreciation of the category's legitimacy within WikiProject Philately.
I had hoped that members of WikiProject Philately would become aware of this discussion and contribute from that project's perspective, but my attempt to call their attention to the conversation has failed; it seems the project Talk page is not checked often by project participants. Spideog (talk) 23:49, 26 June 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Don't Breathe (film series)

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The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 23:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: Only contains two articles that are already directly interlinked (see their leads). Felida97 (talk) 16:22, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
Delete per nomination. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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Category:People from Kiliya

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The result of the discussion was: Rename * Pppery * it has begun... 23:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: See parent article Kiliia. Super Ψ Dro 16:02, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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New Spain

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2025 June 28#New Spain

Category:Surreal comedy

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The result of the discussion was: Split * Pppery * it has begun... 23:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:COPSEP we shouldn't have biographical and non-biographical articles in the same category. --woodensuperman 12:23, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Proposed is to create a new subcategory. That does not require discussion at this platform per se. By all means go ahead. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:40, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
    I think I was trying to gauge whether there would be support for creating this category, or whether it should be purged instead. --woodensuperman 13:50, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
    Seconding Marcocapelle that this could be done boldly. And for what it's worth, I support doing so. As you said, COPSEP is clear about this. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:26, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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Burkinabe

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The result of the discussion was: Merge/rename * Pppery * it has begun... 23:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: In English, the form without an accent is predominant. In Fulani (Pulaar), the form with è is commonly used, while in French (at least as spoken in France), the form with é is preferred. For additional context, see this discussion: Talk:Burkinabe#Requested move 2015. If this proposal is accepted, please also update Module:CountryAdjectiveDemonym/Adjectives accordingly. --Hassan697 (talk) 11:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Support all per nom. Please also add "Burkinabe" as 'Demonym' in the infobox of Burkina Faso is this proposal is accepted. NLeeuw (talk) 12:19, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Support all per nom.--Ortizesp (talk) 13:19, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment this feels more procedural given the article title. However, from my own initial searches I'm not seeing clear support for the statement that the accentless form is the most common in English sources. Quite the opposite, all the authoritative sources at the top of Google searches are showing the current form, Burkinabé.
The article move cited a CIA link as proof burkinabe was the common English form, but this isn't even consistent across US gov sites per the above. I have no personal preference, but I don't find the case for moving the article particularly convincing as-is SFB 14:36, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Support merging either way for the redundant categories; no opinion on the accent. --Paul_012 (talk) 15:39, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Merge per Paul_012. About the accent, we might need another RM but until that happens the categories should follow the current article spelling. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:08, 7 June 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Corruption in Somalia

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The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * it has begun... 23:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. Lost in Quebec (talk) 10:28, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Crime in Somalia by type

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The result of the discussion was: Keep * Pppery * it has begun... 23:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: Category with just one entry. Lost in Quebec (talk) 10:27, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Films about hunters

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The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * it has begun... 23:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: How can you have hunters without hunting? No need for two categories. There are far more entries in the hunters category, but IMO the other category name is better. Clarityfiend (talk) 10:09, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:48, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
    Merge per nomination. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 23:27, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Merge and redirect to assist with following interwiki links, e.g. French Wikipedia will still have both. – Fayenatic London 20:42, 13 June 2025 (UTC)
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Animated television series episode redirects to lists

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The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * it has begun... 23:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: Each currently contains only one redirect. There is no need to also parent the redirect in the series category, because the target page is already within that. I have proposed redirecting South Park where it is more likely that other episode redirects will be created in future, and redirection can be automatically resolved in the template {{ER to list entry}}. – Fayenatic London 08:14, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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Early modern Romanian poets

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The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * it has begun... 23:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: merge, apart from the subcategories they are very poorly populated. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:41, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Merge for Now per WP:NARROWCAT with no objection to future recreation if either category experiences substantial growth in published articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:46, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Latvia–Japan relations

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The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 23:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: We have the correctly titled Category:Japan–Latvia relations. DB1729talk 04:53, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:05, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Question Is "correctly titled" simply naming the countries in alphabetical order? That would make sense. NLeeuw (talk) 12:20, 6 June 2025 (UTC)
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Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina microbiologists

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The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * it has begun... 23:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: Also merge with Category:Bosnia and Herzegovina biologists.

Also nominating for merge:

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Category:Bolivian physiologists

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The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * it has begun... 23:13, 14 June 2025 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: Only 1 entry. Also merge with Category:Bolivian biologists.

Also nominating for merge:

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