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All categories for userboxes

The nominated categories are split into four lists for convenience:

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Nominator's rationale:

The idea for this nomination was originally discussed at Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)#Rename all userbox categories. Quote of the relevant parts:

The subcategories of Category:Userboxes have been organized by topic of the user templates for a long time. The subcategories are mostly called "Foobar user templates" for topic "foobar", with occasional variations like "Foobar-related user templates". These categories are not called "Foobar userboxes" because sometimes they contain topical user namespace templates, which aren't userboxes. Examples: Template:WikiProject Animals topicon (part of Category:WikiProject user templates), Template:The Malta Barnstar (part of Category:Malta user templates).

Corresponding to the practice of mixing userboxes with non-userbox templates, the category header template {{Template category}} treats parameters |type=user and |type=userbox as synonyms (since Special:Diff/1039882654), outputting text The pages listed in this category are meant to be user templates, including userboxes.

This makes Category:Userboxes to be very confusing in itself. It is called "Userboxes", but almost none of the subcategories in its tree have the word "userboxes" in the name (this search shows 17 examples). Category:Userboxes contains userboxes, but also a random assortment of user namespace templates not related to the template {{Userbox}}.

I propose a plan for a big renaming of the subcategories of Category:Userboxes:

  1. Through one giant CfD nomination, rename all template categories with |type=user or |type=userbox from "Foobar user templates" to "Foobar userboxes" or equivalent, depending on the naming scheme.
    • This will inevitably cause miscategorization for topical templates which aren't userboxes. We'll live with it for a bit until the new category structure is established.
    • One good example of a local naming scheme are subcategories of Language user templates, which are named "User templates ISO language code".
  2. Update template {{Template category}} to support two separate values |type=userbox and |type=user. The wording will be something like:
    • |type=userboxes: The pages listed in this category are meant to be userboxes
    • |type=user: The pages listed in this category are meant to be user templates, including award templates, top icons, userboxes etc.
  3. Replace |type=user with |type=userbox in the renamed categories.
  4. After the renaming, create a new structure under Category:User namespace templates. That way, all non-userbox templates can be grouped together with similarly themed userbox templates. This new structure doesn't need to be deep at the start of the process. Just the standard 10 topical categories (same as in Category:Wikipedia templates by topic) + Category:Wikipedia-related user templates would be enough for the purposes of this plan.
  5. Move miscategorized non-userbox templates from userbox-specific categories into the new category tree. At this step, the miscategorized templates can be found using WP:QUARRY requests and using WhatLinksHere, like Special:WhatLinksHere/Template:Top icon.

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The userboxes are an overwhelming majority of the user namespace templates. Splitting the userboxes from the rest will be similar to how Navigational boxes are split from the rest of templates (mostly in the realm of topical templates).

Some of the proposed nominations are reversing a previous CfD discussion, e.g. Category:DYK userboxes – Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2020 April 17#Category:DYK user templates.

The following lists of category pages that are excluded from this nomination, that might be useful to keep in mind for this nomination:

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I tried to include all relevant categories in this nomination. Please do let me know if I missed any. —⁠andrybak (talk) 21:57, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

Here are two previous CfD nominations from 18-20 years ago that were mentioned at WP:VPI. They seem to be the source for the current convention of "Foobar user templates":
—⁠andrybak (talk) 22:46, 12 August 2026 (UTC)
Support By now, this is the established terminology. It would also be consistent with sorting non-userbox user templates elsewhere. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 23:15, 12 August 2026 (UTC)
support, userbox subcategories should be named as such for consistency. Other types of user templates should be sorted by function, like Barnstars. --Funandtrvl (talk) 01:38, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
Support all per above and the WP:VPI discussion. Originally, I didn't exactly like this (but I just don't enjoy change generally, and my opinion has since changed). I believe this is better for consistency. 🫀 Crash // Organhaver ( it / he | talk to me, maybe? ) 02:22, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
Oppose: As someone who has created about 5,000 userboxes, and who coordinates Wikipedia:Userboxes/Galleries, I don't think userboxes are important enough to merit all these category changes. Userboxes are merely a subcategory of user templates, albeit the dominate type, and should simply be considered as such. Yours aye,  Buaidh  talk e-mail 02:47, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
Agrees. Arenghtqru888 (talk) 18:08, 16 August 2026 (UTC)
Support renaming all templates with parameter "|type=userbox" as Category:_______ userbox. Pyxis Solitary (yak). ⚢ – nevah queer. 10:28, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
Pyxis Solitary, please note that this nomination is not only for template categories that pass parameter |type=userbox to the template {{Template category}}, but for all template categories listed in the four collapsed lists above. Switching from |type=user to |type=userbox is part of the plan for the categories nominated for renaming. —⁠andrybak (talk) 20:48, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
Got it. Thank you. I concur with the statement "Category:Userboxes and its subcategories should be only for userboxes" by User:Catfurball. Pyxis Solitary (yak). ⚢ – nevah queer. 08:04, 14 August 2026 (UTC)
Support Category:Userboxes and its subcategories should be only for userboxes. Other templates that are not userboxes should be removed, also Username pages and userbox galleries should be removed. Catfurball (talk) 15:33, 13 August 2026 (UTC)
Support separation of userboxes & non-userbox user templates.   ~ Tom.Reding (talk ⋅dgaf)  11:51, 14 August 2026 (UTC)
A correction/clarification: Category:Political userboxes is listed in "Excluded categories", sublist "Categories excluded from this nomination, because they are already at the target name – some of these are category redirects", but Category:Political userboxes is technically listed in the nomination as the target for renaming of Category:Political user templates. There are exactly two category redirects with "userboxes" in the name. The only other such redirect is Category:Islamic userboxes, for which the corresponding Category:Islam user templates is nominated to be renamed to Category:Islam userboxes. I found it by checking which of the target categories in the nominations are not red links, using the following JS snippet on this page: document.querySelectorAll('#mw-content-text a:nth-child(3)[href$="userboxes"], #mw-content-text a:nth-child(3)[href^="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Userboxes"]:not([href$="&redlink=1"])'). —⁠andrybak (talk) 00:01, 18 August 2026 (UTC)
  • Comment Although more of a question, really. Any chance this discussion will be closed by the end of the month/August? Just wondering. Liz Read! Talk! 20:42, 20 August 2026 (UTC)
    @Liz, there are 164 nominations at Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Old unclosed discussions. Is there any particular reason this one needs to be closed sooner than the rest of CFD backlog? —⁠andrybak (talk) 09:05, 24 August 2026 (UTC)
    Oh, Andrybak, I don't recall the original reason, probably because this is just an enormous nomination and sometimes there is a lot to clean up after a closure. But the date part was just random, a hope. Sometimes CFD discussions go on for way to long, to weeks and then into months. Liz Read! Talk! 06:52, 25 August 2026 (UTC)

Critics of Israel by religion

Nominator's rationale:
  • WP:CATDEFINE: Categorization must be based on defining characteristics. Religion is not a defining characteristic of political opposition to a state unless that religious identity is the explicitly stated, primary motivation for that opposition, as established by reliable secondary sources.
  • WP:NOR: Populating these categories requires editors to synthesize an individual's religion and their political stance. This constitutes original research/synthesis by implying a causal link ("These people are critics because they are [Religion]") that is not supported by secondary sources.
  • WP:OVERCAT: These categories are currently tagged as Template:Non-diffusing subcategory of Category:Anti-Zionists. As they do not diffuse the parent category and offer no unique navigational utility, they are redundant and serve only as associative "tags."
  • WP:BLPCAT: Categorizing living persons by intersecting sensitive identity markers (religion) with political controversies is discouraged. The label "critic" is imprecise, lacks a clear inclusion criterion, and risks misrepresenting subjects.

Recommendation: Delete these categories. The existing parent category, Category:Anti-Zionists, is the appropriate and sufficient venue for grouping these subjects based on their documented political activities. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Biosketch (talk • contribs) 17:21, 23 June 2026 (UTC)

  • Delete per WP:OPINIONCAT, the subjects of the articles in these categories are not primarily known as anti-Zionists. The politics of Israel is just one of many topics that they have an opinion about. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:47, 23 June 2026 (UTC)
  • delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:07, 24 June 2026 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Closure withdrawn; what was in this category?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 06:40, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
  • Comment Some editor programmed the JJMC89 bot to empty the two categories mentioned at the top of this nomination even though this discssion was never closed. This should never had been done and those edits should be reverted and then I'll untag the two categories mentioned. Biosketch, you never tagged these two categories with a CFD notice and I'm sure you didn't notify the category creators. Did you follow the CFD instructions?
Really, all actions that occurred outside of the comments on this discussion page should be undone, this nomination should be withdrawn and a proper CFD discussion set up. And as I said, some editor also used JJMC89 bot to carry their own personal feelings about how this discussion should be closed before consensus was reached. I think that action is worth a block for using JJMC89 bot to carry out their own personal editing tasks. Liz Read! Talk! 07:04, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
All cleaned up. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 08:07, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
Liz, apologies for the oversight (wasn't using Twinkle for this one). I will handle properly from now. —Biosketch (talk) 13:06, 3 July 2026 (UTC)
  • Zionism is a Jewish movement, hence balancing is not needed. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:08, 5 July 2026 (UTC)
  • Zionism isn't only a Jewish movement. There have been many groups througout history who wanted and helped the Jews to return to Israel and Jerusalem.
  • The other reason I created this was due to this category: Category:Muslim supporters of Israel. The category "Muslim critics of Israel" is the balance. Guz13 (talk) 04:14, 9 July 2026 (UTC)
  • Keep or move to Category:Christian anti-Zionists/Category:Muslim anti-Zionists. I think the problem stems more from the title than from the existence of the category itself. It is possible to criticize Zionism from a religious perspective, and even if it is not explicitly stated that the perspective is religious, elements of faith can influence criticism of Zionism. ProgramT (talk) 07:44, 7 July 2026 (UTC)
  • Keep I don’t see how WP:OPINIONCAT applies here. Having said categories help readers find individuals that fall into two independent characteristics- religion and being a critical of Israel (of course only if the info is well-sourced). These categories don't necessarily assume or imply that someone’s religion is the reason for their critical view, but that both characteristics are based. Also, I think that the fact that Wikipedia already has similar intersectional categories (Anti-Zionist Jews and Christian Zionists) points to their relevance and value. ScottyNolan (talk) 12:20, 7 July 2026 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mit khavershaft, Royz-vi Tsibele🧅 12:56, 12 August 2026 (UTC)

Literature in Sardinian language

Nominator's rationale: I fail to see the difference between Literature in Sardinian language and Sardinian literature, so it's best to upmerge the former into the latter... - OpalYosutebito 『talk』 『articles I want to eat』 03:18, 12 August 2026 (UTC)
  • Comment This is just one of many such categories. As I was saying at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2026_June_18#Books by writer nationality, it is worth noting the wide variety that exists between "[Nationality] literature" articles in the mainspace. They often present very different definitions and are often ambiguous by saying "[Nationality] literature" can refer to either all literature in [X] language, literature produced in [X] country, or produced by [X] nationals or in other countries or languages. That inherent ambiguity is interesting at the article level and problematic/inconsistent at the category level. Οἶδα (talk) 05:00, 12 August 2026 (UTC)
  • Merge, the poems in the subcategory are not necessarily in Sardinian language, they could be in Italian language instead. I have added each of these articles to Category:Sardinian language though. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:27, 12 August 2026 (UTC)
  • Keep, the Sardinian literature cat is the broader one, including the works (in the subcat "literature in Sardinian language") but also the writers (who should perhps be grouped in a subcat as well) and more general articles. The difference between the parent cat and the subcat is thus quite clear. Fram (talk) 08:20, 12 August 2026 (UTC)
  • Comment: Category:Literature in Sardinian language should be moved to Category:Sardinian-language literature if it's kept, in line with a majority of equivalent subcategories of Category:Literature by language. Ham II (talk) 19:14, 12 August 2026 (UTC)
  • Oppose: Sardinian literature is not necessarily written in so-called Sardinian language. Besides Italian, at least 8 local languages are spoken in Sardinia, among which only three are included by the "Sardinian language" label. Est. 2021 (talk · contribs) 04:42, 24 August 2026 (UTC)

Category:Films about Nazis

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). toby (t)(rw) 21:17, 19 August 2026 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: As with category Category:Films about neo-Nazis, there is no distinction between what is supposed to go into one category and what is supposed to go in the other. The child category is not any more focused on individual people. PARAKANYAA (talk) 02:09, 12 August 2026 (UTC)
Merge per nom and @Οἶδα's argument LincolnMagnus (talk) 01:57, 15 August 2026 (UTC)
  • Support. I suppose the argument is that "about Nazism" means a particular focus on ideology, whereas "about Nazis" means a focus on characters who happen to be Nazis. But in practice, there's no distinction between what is supposed to go into one category and what is supposed to go in the other, per nom. I found a relevant CfD from 2011 where Films about communists was merged into Films about communism: Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2011_December_30#Category:Films about communists. Relevant comment from The Bushranger: "We shouldn't be categorising "films about communists" - it's nebulously defined. It's entirely possible to have a film about somebody who was a communist, with the film itself having nothing significant about communism in it at all. Films about communism, however is a very defining feature of said films, and the films about communists, in which their communist affiliation is the point of the film, are, indeed, films about communism." Indeed. Οἶδα (talk) 05:17, 12 August 2026 (UTC)
  • Merge, too much overlap. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:33, 12 August 2026 (UTC)
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

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