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Category:Kannada scientists

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The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 16:25, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: Recently created 1-article category. Article already in parent category Category:Kannada people Gjs238 (talk) 23:19, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Support deletion for the nominator's rationale Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 23:34, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Category creator's comments: There's no dedicated article in the parent category? Anyways, it isn't a single person affair, there are plenty. I just could not find a way to add more people to the category despite adding category links to the articles of those scientists. Curious to know why similar articles like Category:Tulu scientists get to remain but this one specifically is being nominated for deletion? Footy2000♡ (🗨) 02:44, 9 January 2026 (UTC)
    @Footy2000: If you mean edits like Special:Diff/1330770085, the problem is that the initial colon is only for linking to categories, not for inclusion in categories. The colon must be omitted for inclusion. Also, if you are having difficulty with putting things into categories, it is better to use Template:Help me than to risk having category links at the bottom of the page that could confuse readers or other problems. (I understand that you did not do that intentionally, hence the word risk.)
    As for the difference between Category:Tulu scientists and Category:Kannada scientists, the difference is that Category:Kannada scientists had only one member, and it was not obvious that someone had tried to add four other pages to it without going to Special:WhatLinksHere/Category:Kannada scientists, which is not typically done during category discussions because it typically is not necessary. I have fixed your category inclusions (except for A. S. Kiran Kumar because that would have violated WP:BLP), and now that the category has four members, I have retracted my deletion vote.
    Lastly, I strongly suspect that "Article already in the parent category" was supposed to mean that Udupi Ramachandra Rao, which was then the only article in Category:Kannada scientists, was already in Category:Kannada people (although I suppose that only Gjs238 can be absolutely certain). Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 04:11, 9 January 2026 (UTC)
    Thank you! I made a mistake of not removing the semi-colon, and did not put enough effort into resolving the silly issue. I've populated the category with over 13 scientists. Sorry for being a bother over such a meagre issue. Footy2000♡ (🗨) 07:29, 9 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Keep because the category is now sufficiently populated. Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 04:11, 9 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Delete we do not categorize scientists by language. Scientists by state works but not language.John Pack Lambert (talk) 05:24, 9 January 2026 (UTC)
    If it's going to be deleted, I hope it applies for similar categories across all languages, not just this one. Footy2000♡ (🗨) 17:05, 9 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Delete per Johnpacklambert. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:18, 9 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Delete per WP:OCEGRS. Not every article about a person needs to be place in ethnicity categories, and only if there is a relevant link between that ethnicity and the topic. There's no Kannada science, science made by Kannada people is no different than that of other Dravidian or Indian people. Place Clichy (talk) 08:48, 9 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Delete per Place Clichy. The decision to intersect occupation by ethnicity should have special evidence behind it in alignment with WP:OCEGRS. I'm not seeing it here. Οἶδα (talk) 21:27, 9 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Comment: Not all of the category's members are present in Category:Kannada people or other subcategories, so if we're going to get rid of this category, shouldn't it be upmerged to Category:Kannada people? Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 05:29, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
    They shouldn't be added there by default. Honestly most of the time I see that this is not supported by reliable sources in the article, and inclusion seems to be mostly based on last name, region of India or similar criteria. Per WP:EGRS and, in many cases, WP:BLPCAT, such ethnicity or language-based categories shouldn't be added to articles without reliable sources. Place Clichy (talk) 09:30, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Comment I second the view that we should not merge to Category:Kannada people without reliable sources showing the people in question are part of the Kannada ethnic group. Doing so would violate 1 and in many cases 2 policies.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:11, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Assassinated journalists by ethnicity

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The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * it has begun... 16:26, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Redundant category layer SMasonGarrison 22:29, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Michigan campus categories

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The result of the discussion was: rename as nominated but since meanwhile Category:University of Michigan buildings and structures has been created the first rename translates to a merge. (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 21:19, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: These categories overwhelmingly contains articles about buildings and structures owned by these institutions. Renaming them will bring them inline with the 120+ others categories at Category:Buildings and structures in the United States by university or college. The new name will also more accurately reflect the contents.User:Namiba 21:27, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
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Categories by city in Canada

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 21:35, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Rhode Island Rams basketball venues

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The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * it has begun... 16:26, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: Dual merge. Containing only 2 articles, this category does not help navigation. User:Namiba 19:08, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Merge Not enough articles to be helpful for navigation.John Pack Lambert (talk) 21:12, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Buffalo (1920s NFL teams)

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The result of the discussion was: rename (non-admin closure) Marcocapelle (talk) 21:48, 28 January 2026 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: While the proposed name is the name of the article for the subject, it is vague and could be confused with other iterations of NFL teams in Buffalo, New York. Should we rename it, rename the article, or keep it as is? User:Namiba 18:42, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Speedy rename per WP:C2D. The main article has had its current name for over three years by now, and it's clearer than Buffalo (1920s NFL teams). Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 22:52, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Speedy Rename we should defer to the article space main article. Clear names of articles are critical for readers so, if they're misnamed, the right venue is an RM. (I have no opinion on the article name in this case, but would favor renaming the cats again if an RM passed.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:31, 9 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Rename to match article name.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:12, 9 January 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Werewolf fiction

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:05, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: Per discussion on my Werewolf animation cfd nom from yesterday. Rename to make consistent with parent cats Category:Fiction about therianthropy and Category:Fiction about curses as well as general convention. Note that target category is currently a redirect. WinstonDewey (talk) 17:21, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
Tagging previous participants @Marcocapelle, @John Pack Lambert, and @Jc37. WinstonDewey (talk) 17:24, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
Alt nom could also be renamed to Category:Werewolves in popular culture. This would be consistent with the naming convention of Category:Monsters in popular culture. WinstonDewey (talk) 17:28, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Either Category:Fiction about werewolves or Category:Werewolves in popular culture could work. If we stick to fiction the music subcategory should be moved one level up. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:56, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Support I think this is a more vlear Category name and follows the normal pattern.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:23, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Rename to Category:Fiction about werewolves. And looking at the contents of several of the subcats of Category:Monsters in popular culture, they should probably be renamed in that direction as well. - jc37 18:25, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Support per nomination. Must be defining. Οἶδα (talk) 18:57, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Keep The article is Werewolf fiction. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:40, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
    Shouldn't it be a reverse merge in this case? Place Clichy (talk) 08:41, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
    Category:Fiction about werewolves is currently a redirect. * Pppery * it has begun... 18:17, 24 January 2026 (UTC)
    Had not see that. Sorry, my comment was useless then. Place Clichy (talk) 17:51, 30 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Keep to align with the main article Werewolf fiction. We don't have to name all the categories "Fiction about X" if there is an actual name for the concept. For example, we have Category:Monster movies instead of Category:Films about monsters. Also noting that the nomination is to merge when it should be rename. If we do rename, I prefer Category:Werewolves in popular culture to align with Category:Monsters in popular culture. Mclay1 (talk) 14:23, 25 January 2026 (UTC)
    I'm not a fan of the Monster movies category name, but I understand why since it describes an actual phenomenon that's been in wide use for awhile. That isn't the case with Werewolf fiction so to me renaming (I put merge because of the existing redirect, but I see what you mean) is better for category structure. I'm open to renaming the article, most of these kinds of categories don't have an actual article so I see this as a bit of a one off. WinstonDewey (talk) 15:36, 26 January 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Australian people of English descent

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2026 March 1#Category:Australian people of English descent

Category:Massacres in Darfur

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The result of the discussion was: Keep * Pppery * it has begun... 16:27, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: WP:OVERLAPCAT, as evidenced by the fact that each is already a child of the other Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 00:43, 1 January 2026 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, GothicGolem29 (Talk) 14:49, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Indefinitely blocked IP addresses

Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2026 January 15#Category:Indefinitely blocked IP addresses

Category:Prisoners of Italian fascist internment camps

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The result of the discussion was: Merge * Pppery * it has begun... 16:27, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category layer with only one subcategory. Hasn't been further populated in the last 10 years. Mclay1 (talk) 10:08, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Distinguished Members of the ACM

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The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 16:28, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: Unlike Category:Fellows of the Association for Computing Machinery (for which see ongoing discussion), this is a lower level of honorary membership that does not convey WP:PROF#C3 notability, is often subsumed by the Fellow level, and in many articles to which it has been added as a category it is not even mentioned nor sourced in our article text. (Some other societies like the AIAA or IEEE have an associate fellow or junior fellow or senior member category of membership; this is similar.) I don't think it's a significant enough honor to be defining per WP:OCAWARD. —David Eppstein (talk) 07:31, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
Delete per WP:OCAWARD. CabinetCavers (thou shalt speaketh) 18:28, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Keep but replace with fellow category if and when they achieve the level of fellow. "Distinguished" is a lower category than "fellow", but several levels above their base membership (member, senior member, distinguished, fellow). It is also limited to the top 10% of the members but to date has only been awarded to 1,031 people which is significantly less than 10% of their members (cite). While their top level is capped at top 1% of members, it has not been awarded to many people beyond that of distinguished at 1,567 people (cite) and they are closer to the end of their careers as it is under the category of "career-long contributions" (see right side of links). It also helps to show where the person is in their career; early to mid and continuing (rising star?)/peaked early or career long. To achieve the level of distinguished, it requires "ACM members with at least 15 years of professional experience and 5 years of Professional Membership in the last 10 years who have achieved significant accomplishments or have made a significant impact on the computing field." (cite) In terms of WP:PROF#C3, that pertains to the academic as a whole, but again distinguished level shows they are above many of their peers, otherwise their pages would not been deemed as notable. ₪RicknAsia₪ 08:19, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Delete, if it is not worth mentioning in the articles, or merely in passing, then it is not worth categorizing by it either. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:24, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Delete Per WP:OCAWARD. Clicked on half a dozen articles and the biographies are well categorized as computer scientists and under various university categories but this award is only occasionally mentioned. (I don't find the WP:PROF#C3 critical here since WP:NOTABILITY is for having an article in the first place whereas categories should be WP:DEFINING to aid navigation between articles.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 10:26, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Delete this is a clear example of overcategorization by award.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:44, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Rescue of Chinese in the Nanjing Massacre

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The result of the discussion was: Rename * Pppery * it has begun... 16:28, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: The current of wording of just "Chinese" rather than "Chinese people" feels dated. Additionally, the subcategory is in the wrong tense. Mclay1 (talk) 07:16, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Rename, better grammar. Marcocapelle (talk) 08:25, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
  • rename per nom --Lenticel (talk) 09:43, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Rename categories referring to people we use the term people, unless we have tagged on an occupation that people do like writers, soldiers or artists.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:45, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Energy companies of Guernsey

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The result of the discussion was: Alt merge * Pppery * it has begun... 16:28, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: This is the technically friendly way to downmerge Category:Energy companies of Guernsey to Category:Electric power companies of Guernsey. I want to do this because Category:Energy companies of Guernsey has no pages, and Category:Electric power companies of Guernsey is its only child category. I prefer downmerging so that the result can have more specific parent categories. Care to differ or discuss with me? The Nth User 06:22, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Industry in Shanghai

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The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) GothicGolem29 (Talk) 16:03, 15 January 2026 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: Redundant category layer with only one subcategory. No merge needed. This is a follow-up to this previous CfD where two similar categories were deleted. I suggested deleting this one too but it didn't get deleted. Mclay1 (talk) 04:21, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Ethnic Armenian people

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The result of the discussion was: no consensus. HouseBlaster (talk • he/they) 21:16, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: They are basically synonyms because we don't distinguish ethnicity and descent in categories, and "ethnic X people" just sounds improper. Any articles about Armenians as an ethnic group would need to be moved to Category:Armenian people (or a new parent titled Category:Armenians or Category:Armenians (ethnic group), per WP:COPSEP) or Category:Armenian diaspora, and will probably already be there. I haven't checked for WP:OCEGRS, since this nomination is only for the categorization of people of Armenian descent. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 17:50, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose I do not think "Armenian descent" makes sense for this group at all. Armenian people were a Millet in the Ottoman Empire. These people were viewed by the government as being "Armenian", not just "Armenian descent". Because of how this was applied it is not clear in some cases that the people so designated ever had ancestry in Armenia. The issue is that for a few hundred years there was no Armenian state, just Armenian people. So they were nationals of Iran, the Ottoman Empire and the Russian Empire. Some lived in areas with high concentrations or Armenians, some lived outside those areas, and some felt they were Armenian even if they lived much further away. Then in the 20th-century there was around 1920 briefly an Armenian state, which then got annexed in part by Turkey and absorbed into the Soviet Union. In about 1990 a new Armenian state was created. We need some way to distinguish people who are nationals of the current Armenian state created in 1990, for ethnic Armenian people who lived in various other countries for a broad variety of reasons. The issue is that "descent" mixes the order of things. In general the people is these categories existed before most of the people directly in the Armenian categories, because they existed before the modern Armenian state was created. It is similar to why we do not have Category:Czech people from the Austrian Empire, we have Category:Czech people in the Austrian Empire. In general Category:Czech writers, Category:Czech scientists, etc. are people from the Czech Republic, but there are ethnic Czech people earlier. The same is happening with Armenians. Category:Ethnic Armenian actresses is mainly made up of actresses who were Armenian people in the Ottoman Empire, where there is no widely recognized demonym that applied to the population. "Ottoman" was the ruling group over the Empire, which was also called "Turkey". However with the millet system the people of the empire were divided into "Greeks", "Armenians", "Turks", and a few others groups. To understand why we really cannot just blindly use these names, if the state formed along the eastern edge of the Mediterranean in the late 1940s had chosen the name "Judea" instead of "Israel" we would have another messy category situation where people would be using confusing names. Descent does not make much sense here since by and large the people in the ethnic Armenian categories are generally going to be from earlier than those in the Armenian category. The other problem with descent categories is that they often take in people who are only vaguely seen as belonging to the group. In this case Armenianess is very clearly defined as belonging to a group. This applies to people in the Ottoman Empire, Lebanon, Syria, Iran, and in the Soviet Union as well as a few others places. Armenians living in 20th-century Lebanon no more should be in a "descent" named category than we would rename African-American categories to have "descent" in the name. The issue here is that Armenian means 2 different things 1-Nationals of the modern nation state of Armenia and 2-a long standing ethnic group that existed in various areas of the Ottoman Empire, the Russian Empire and Iran in the early-modern and into the modern period. We need a way to separate these two different groups into 2 different categories. Considering that we have articles in 5 plus different descent categories I have a strong impression we have allowed descent to cover very non-defining cases and do not think we should use it in place of the clear ethnic Armenian identity meant to be covered here.John Pack Lambert (talk) 18:17, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
  • By all means create descent categories, but do not populate them with pre-1918 people and their descendants abroad, leave them in the ethnic Armenian categories. Descent implies one's ancestors had a certain nationality, but there was nothing resembling Armenian nationality before 1918. One might argue that the same applies to the Soviet period, that is up for further discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:16, 26 November 2025 (UTC)
    • In the Soviet period there were large numbers of Armenians living in the Azeri SSR, large numbers in Georgia, and significant numbers in Russia especially in Moscow. I think we could create Category:Armenians in the Soviet Union, which would have a different scope than Category:People from the Armenian SSR. I think if we were to do that we would need to establish an overlap rule, and at least only put people in both categories if thry spent significant amount of time outside the Armenian SSR.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:25, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
  • Commrnt the category I was mentioning above is actually named Category:Soviet Armenians. Which is a double demonym Category. It is part of Category:Armenian people by period. It is also in Category:Soviet people by ethnicity which indicates these people are Armenian by ethnicity. So I added it to Category:Ethnic Armenian people. Those 2 categories suggest we are unsure does this mean "People from Soviet Armenia" in which case it is a period in the history of Armenia, or is it Category:Ethnic Armenian people in the Soviet Union, in which it involves people who were ethnically Armenian from anywhere in the Soviet Union. The first Category in theory includes People who were not ethnically Armenian living in the Armenian SSR. Yes these two categories overlap, but there were lots of Armenians living beyond the boundaries of Armenia in the Soviet Union and at least some people in the Armenian SSR who would not have identified as bring ethnically Armenian.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:38, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
    • OK we do have Category:Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic people as a sub-cat of Soviet Armenian people. I think as a sub-national entity this would best use the from form like we have Category:People from Hawaii and Category:People from Florida. I also think we should not be parenting the cat like that since not all residents of the Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic was Armenian. The fact that the various SSRs had large numbers of people who were not of the dominant ethnicity of the SSR is a key factor in how events have played out and how populations jsvd moved since the collapse of the Soviet Union.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:43, 27 November 2025 (UTC)
  • Merge/rename per nom, or even better merge to Category:Armenian fooers. People for whom belonging to the Armenian nation is defining are just called Armenians, not ethnic Armenians. In the same fashion, Dante Alighieri is an Italian writer and Goethe is a German writer, not an ethnic Italian and an ethnic German, even though they were never nationals of a state called Italy or Germany. Many such categories were deleted or renamed in past discussions, such as this, this, this and also this. It's the Armenian Genocide, not the Ethnic Armenian Genocide, and the Armenian Church has never been called the Ethnic Armenian Church despite centuries of existence outside any Armenian state. Nuances of origin, citizenship, ethnicity and nationality will be much better served, with all necessary levels of nuance, with longstanding categories such as People of Armenian descent, Armenian diaspora, Ancient Armenian people, People from the Armenian Kingdom of Cilicia, Armenians from the Ottoman Empire, Armenian Soviet Socialist Republic people, etc. Place Clichy (talk) 11:03, 1 December 2025 (UTC)
    This is not analogous to the German or Italian situation. There we have a collection of states that roughly constitute Italy or Germany at vatmrious times. We limit membership in the German or Italian categories to nationals of those states. We do not place people living in the Russian Empire, Great Britain or the Thirteen Colonies in 1765 directly in German categories no matter how German they are. On the other hand all areas of Armenia in 1765 were under the control of Iran or the Ottoman Empire. Because of how Armenianess works we are not limiting these categories to de facto Geography categories like the Italian and German ones where the test is where these people lived. They are purely ethnic categories. The person can live anywhere within at least the Ottoman Empire or Iran and be placed in these categories, and a person who does not ethnically identify as Armenian is not placed in these categories even if they lived in Yerevan. On the other hand we have dozens of articles on immigrants from France to Berlin in the Kingdom of Prussia in the same time frame that we have in German categories. A petson who moved from Tehran to what is now Armenia or from Istanbul to the area of the Ottoman Empire where there was a large concentration of ethnicArmenians did not by doing so become Armenian. There is one Armenian identity for nationals of the state created in 1990 and another for the Armenian ethnic group. These are two different things with the sane name, they are not the sane thing. This is not analogous to the German or Italian situation at all.John Pack Lambert (talk) 12:33, 2 December 2025 (UTC)
    I don't know who is "we", but "we" is not very consistent. What the Wikipedia community established is that the prior criterion by which to place articles in categories is defining characteristics. If people are commonly and consistently defined as Armenian, that's what we should categorize them as, not invent that ethnic Armenian moniker. Armenian identity did not magically pop up out of nowhere when the Republic of Armenia was created in 1991, it is not a different thing. The category for topics and identity that exist only outside Armenia proper is Category:Armenian diaspora, we don't need this Ethnic Armenian nonsense. Place Clichy (talk) 16:16, 5 December 2025 (UTC)
    You are ignoring that categorization is supposed to be by like trait not like name. Armenian is used as a designation of an ethnic group. This is different than Armenian as a designation for nationals of the country of Armenia. These are two different groups and we should not put them in the same category just because they happen to have the sane name.John Pack Lambert (talk) 03:12, 10 December 2025 (UTC)
    But they are the same group. Armenians in diaspora widely associate themselves with the country, even those whose ancestors came from Western (i.e. Ottoman) Armenia. As an example, Charles Aznavour, regarded as one of the most well-known Armenians, son of genocide refugees, gave support to the new country especially after the 1988 Armenian earthquake to the point that he was granted honorary citizenship and made an ambassador, see Charles Aznavour § Armenian activism. In fact, in the present case the primary use of the word Armenian is probably the ethnic, religious, diaspora meaning, and the modern country is in the minority.
    However you turn it, the lone world Armenian will never be understood to refer exclusively to the post-1991 republic. It is not how sources understand it, and it is therefore not how users will categorize articles. Maybe we could use a solution similar to Georgia and other countries, and use from Armenia (country) or from the Republic of Armenia in this case, to get out of this ambiguity. Place Clichy (talk) 14:31, 12 December 2025 (UTC)
  • Comment I would consider using Armenian as a category for the ethnic group if we were to rename the categories by nationality to be Category:People from Armenia; Category:Scientists from Armenia; Category:Writers from Armenia; etc. We already use from with neighboring Georgia so we do not use thd demonym in all cases are do use from for connecting people to some present countries.John Pack Lambert (talk) 01:15, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
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  • (after relisting) Support renaming as originally nominated, in the spirit of consensus. I already expressed myself above, but I consider this a better alternative than status quo. Place Clichy (talk) 08:58, 9 January 2026 (UTC)
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Bilateral relations of the Federated States of Micronesia

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The result of the discussion was: Rename * Pppery * it has begun... 16:29, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: The two countries in bilateral relations categories are sorted alphabetically, but we're currently inconsistent on whether the Federated States of Micronesia is sorted under F or M. I'm proposing to use M. Keep redirects to prevent duplicates. Mclay1 (talk) 03:44, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Radio stations in Bismarck, North Dakota

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The result of the discussion was: Rename to "Bismarck metropolitan area". * Pppery * it has begun... 16:29, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
  • Propose renaming Category:Radio stations in Bismarck, North Dakota to Category:Radio stations in Bismarck–Mandan
  • Propose renaming Category:Television stations in Bismarck, North Dakota to Category:Television stations in Bismarck–Mandan
Nominator's rationale: Consistency with metro area name Mvcg66b3r (talk) 01:56, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
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Category:User talk pages with Uw-mmawarning notices

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The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 16:30, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary category for a template that was deleted at TFD in 2017 (Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2017 October 12#Template:Uw-mmawarning). Sugar Tax (talk) 16:17, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
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  • Delete - orphaned, due to deletion of populating template. The current 4 members seem to be because the template was subst'd to the talk pages in question. - jc37 14:53, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
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The result of the discussion was: Delete * Pppery * it has begun... 16:30, 29 January 2026 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary maintenance category. Sugar Tax (talk) 16:19, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
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  • Delete, even the creator was not convinced of its necessity. Marcocapelle (talk) 18:06, 8 January 2026 (UTC)
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Category:User talk pages with Uw-sigdesign notices

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The result of the discussion was: delete (non-admin closure). GoldRomean (talk) 06:08, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary maintenance category - the purpose of this category (tracking user talk pages with the {{uw-sigdesign}} template) is fulfilled by searching for insource:"Template:uw-sigdesign". Sugar Tax (talk) 16:24, 31 December 2025 (UTC)
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