Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2026 July 25
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July 25
Encyclopedias by language
- Propose renaming Category:Encyclopedias in Arabic to Category:Arabic-language encyclopedias
- Propose renaming Category:Encyclopedias in Chinese to Category:Chinese-language encyclopedias
- Propose renaming Category:Encyclopedias in Dutch to Category:Dutch-language encyclopedias
- Propose renaming Category:Encyclopedias in English to Category:English-language encyclopedias
- Propose renaming Category:Encyclopedias in Esperanto to Category:Esperanto-language encyclopedias
- Propose renaming Category:Encyclopedias in French to Category:French-language encyclopedias
- Propose renaming Category:Encyclopedias in German to Category:German-language encyclopedias
- Propose renaming Category:Gujarati encyclopedias to Category:Gujarati-language encyclopedias
- Propose renaming Category:Encyclopedias in Hungarian to Category:Hungarian-language encyclopedias
- Propose renaming Category:Encyclopedias in Italian to Category:Italian-language encyclopedias
- Propose renaming Category:Encyclopedias in Latin to Category:Latin-language encyclopedias
- Propose renaming Category:Malayalam encyclopedias to Category:Malayalam-language encyclopedias
- Propose renaming Category:Marathi encyclopedias to Category:Marathi-language encyclopedias
- Propose renaming Category:Persian encyclopedias to Category:Persian-language encyclopedias
- Propose renaming Category:Encyclopedias in Polish to Category:Polish-language encyclopedias
- Propose renaming Category:Sanskrit encyclopedias to Category:Sanskrit-language encyclopedias
- Propose renaming Category:Encyclopedias in Spanish to Category:Spanish-language encyclopedias
- Propose renaming Category:Encyclopedias in Swedish to Category:Swedish-language encyclopedias
- Propose renaming Category:Encyclopedias in Ukrainian to Category:Ukrainian-language encyclopedias
- Nominator's rationale: Follow-up to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2026 June 21#Songs by language and Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2026 July 17#Songs by language and the past CfD consensus cited there. These 19 categories are inconsistent with the 40 other categories in Encyclopedias by language. They are also inconsistent with the overwhelming majority of similar Categories by language that already exist on Wikipedia: Albums by language, Books by language, Films by language, Magazines by language, Mass media by language, Newspapers by language, Novels by language, Operas by language, Radio stations by language, Songs by language, Singers by language, Surnames by language, Television by language, Websites by language, Works by language, Writers by language. The exceptions that still exist in the category system are a small minority. Encyclopedias by language was a very messy category with subcats functioning as both language and country cats. I took the time to clean it up and properly organize the articles accordingly. Οἶδα (talk) 22:34, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Rename per precedent. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:40, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- Strong Oppose per multiple older precedents and multiple times WP:C2D confirming the convention
encyclopedias in Fooian
, not Fooian-language encyclopedias, namely:- List of encyclopedias in Arabic
- List of encyclopedias in Chinese
- List of encyclopedias in Dutch
- List of 20th-century general encyclopedias in English
- List of encyclopedias in Finnish
- List of encyclopedias in French
- List of encyclopedias in German
- List of encyclopedias in Hungarian
- List of encyclopedias in Italian
- List of encyclopedias in Latin
- List of encyclopedias in Norwegian
- List of encyclopedias in Polish
- List of encyclopedias in Portuguese
- List of encyclopedias in Romanian
- List of encyclopedias in Russian
- List of encyclopedias in Spanish
- List of encyclopedias in Swedish
- List of encyclopedias in Ukrainian
- I've been working hard to write those main articles, create those categories, rename those categories, and reach agreement on those categories. Now all of the sudden lately Οἶδα has apparently been working to undo all this without even notifying me as the creator of various categories and main articles in question, or as the nominator in the various previous CFDs in question. This goes against all established rules and conventions. Per WP:C2D this nomination is inadmissible. NLeeuw (talk) 20:14, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- PS: One thing I will credit Οἶδα with is continuing the effort I've been working on as well, namely a proper separation between Category:Encyclopedias by language and Category:Encyclopedias by country. That is certainly an improvement I am happy with. The main problem I kept running into was that a clean split would result in lots of small categories with 3 or fewer items in them. I see that problem still persists, and might have unintentionally gotten worse in order to complete this separation, although I can't be sure. I'm inclined to think that distinguishing country and language is important enough to warrant a few poorly populated categories though, because it ultimately informs our readers better than mixing country and language up. NLeeuw (talk) 20:24, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- Which older CfD consensuses about encylopedias by language are you referring to? I exhaustively outlined the background to all of this at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2026_June_21#Songs_by_language. Apologies for not pinging you there. You were part of the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_August_25#Category:Algerian_writers_in_French that addressed all the considerations for this naming and went in the opposite direction that you had been moving things. I suppose the answer I'm looking for you is precisely why you are now saying this one category should be an exception. The only categories throughout the entire category system that still use the older "in Fooian" format are an extreme minority. They include the "poems by language" categories and several "texts by language" categories. And little else. And those exceptions have remained not as the result of any CfDs deciding they should remain as exceptions. Fundamentally, what is it about these encylopedia categories that warrant exception to:
- Category:English-language writers
- Category:English-language works
- Category:English-language mass media
- Category:English-language films
- Category:English-language operas
- Category:English-language magazines
- Category:English-language newspapers
- Category:English-language journals
- Category:English-language websites
- Category:English-language radio stations
- Category:English-language television
- Category:English-language music
- Category:English-language education
- Category:English-language schools
- Category:English-language singers
- Category:English-language poets
- Category:English-language culture
- Category:English-language musical groups
- Category:English-language dialects
- Category:English-language surnames
- Category:English-language idioms
- Category:English-language plays
- Category:English-language literature
- Category:English-language novels
- Category:English-language short stories
- Category:English-language short story collections
- Category:English-language non-fiction books
- Category:English-language poetry collections
- Category:English-language books
- Books.... but encyclopedias should be formatted Category:Encyclopedias in English? For what precise reason? This expansion of this common format started as the result of older CfDs being overturned with new consensus. So those older CfDs are not reason in itself to have these categories be exceptions. Also I'm not sure WP:C2D dictates this when they are not even eponymous. They are list articles. Οἶδα (talk) 00:16, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
- Which older CfD consensuses about encylopedias by language are you referring to? I exhaustively outlined the background to all of this at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2026_June_21#Songs_by_language. Apologies for not pinging you there. You were part of the discussion at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2025_August_25#Category:Algerian_writers_in_French that addressed all the considerations for this naming and went in the opposite direction that you had been moving things. I suppose the answer I'm looking for you is precisely why you are now saying this one category should be an exception. The only categories throughout the entire category system that still use the older "in Fooian" format are an extreme minority. They include the "poems by language" categories and several "texts by language" categories. And little else. And those exceptions have remained not as the result of any CfDs deciding they should remain as exceptions. Fundamentally, what is it about these encylopedia categories that warrant exception to:
- PS: One thing I will credit Οἶδα with is continuing the effort I've been working on as well, namely a proper separation between Category:Encyclopedias by language and Category:Encyclopedias by country. That is certainly an improvement I am happy with. The main problem I kept running into was that a clean split would result in lots of small categories with 3 or fewer items in them. I see that problem still persists, and might have unintentionally gotten worse in order to complete this separation, although I can't be sure. I'm inclined to think that distinguishing country and language is important enough to warrant a few poorly populated categories though, because it ultimately informs our readers better than mixing country and language up. NLeeuw (talk) 20:24, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- I've been working hard to write those main articles, create those categories, rename those categories, and reach agreement on those categories. Now all of the sudden lately Οἶδα has apparently been working to undo all this without even notifying me as the creator of various categories and main articles in question, or as the nominator in the various previous CFDs in question. This goes against all established rules and conventions. Per WP:C2D this nomination is inadmissible. NLeeuw (talk) 20:14, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- Support per nom. There is no reason to use a totally different style with encyclopedias than any other type of work. PARAKANYAA (talk) 09:00, 29 July 2026 (UTC)
- Support: per nom. In solidarity, Gommeh (talk 🎮 sign) 17:28, 27 August 2026 (UTC)
Category:LithTech 2.x games
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 10:04, 2 August 2026 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:LithTech 2.x games to Category:LithTech games
- Propose merging Category:Lithtech Jupiter/EX games to Category:LithTech games
- Propose merging Category:LithTech 1.x games to Category:LithTech games
- Propose merging Category:LithTech Firebird games to Category:LithTech games
- Nominator's rationale: Highly overlapping and underpopulated. there's no need to break these games down by engine version SMasonGarrison 22:06, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
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Category:HyperCard software
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 10:05, 2 August 2026 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:HyperCard software to Category:HyperCard
- Nominator's rationale: Highly overlapping categories. SMasonGarrison 22:04, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
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Category:ToolBook games
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- The result of the discussion was: merge (non-admin closure). GoldRomean (talk) 01:32, 2 August 2026 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:ToolBook games to Category:Asymetrix Corporation
- Nominator's rationale: Upmerge for now. Underpopualted cateogry SMasonGarrison 22:01, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Merge for now, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:44, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- merge per above --Lenticel (talk) 00:30, 29 July 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Anthems of Algeria
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 17:18, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete for now, only one article in the category, this is not helpful for navigation. Merging is not needed, the article is already in relevant targets. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:07, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. ScalarFactor (talk) 21:08, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Delete very much a narrow category.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:08, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
- delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:29, 29 July 2026 (UTC)
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Category:German military units in the United States
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 15:21, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: Category newly created solely to hold a single redirect. The thing filed here does not have its own article, but is simply a redirect to a subsection of another article -- and the creator tried to file this in Category:Foreign military units in the United States, a redlinked category that does not exist and had to be removed, as a parent. It's also rather debatable whether a pilot training center would even count as a "military unit" anyway, so it's not unequivocally clear that the category is even correct in the first place -- but regardless, it's hardly necessary for just one redirect, when there's no comprehensive international scheme in place for this to be part of. Bearcat (talk) 15:02, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, this is not helpful for navigation. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:08, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Delete categories with 1 redirect are not helpful to navigation.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:09, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
- delete per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:29, 29 July 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Simon Property Group templates
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge, noting the target was renamed to Category:United States shopping mall company navigational boxes Timrollpickering (talk) 15:22, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Simon Property Group templates to Category:United States shopping mall companies templates
- Nominator's rationale: A category created in 2016 consists of one template, Template:Simon Property Group. The category is unlikely to grow. Propose upmerge to Category:United States shopping mall companies templates. —andrybak (talk) 14:55, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:10, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Law by region
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- The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 15:23, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Law by region to Category:Law by location
- Nominator's rationale: rename, convention is to use "by location", see Category:Categories by location. "Region" is used as a specific type of location, e.g. in case of Middle East or Midlands. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:32, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Law enforcement by region
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 15:23, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, redundant category layer with only one subcategory. The subcategory is already in the North American tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:28, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Indigenous peoples of Northeast India
Relisted, see Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2026 August 1#Category:Indigenous peoples of Northeast India
Gaza war protests at universities
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- The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 08:49, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses to Category:Gaza war protests at universities
- Propose renaming Category:2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses in the United States to Category:Gaza war protests at universities in the United States
- Propose renaming Category:2020s pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses in the Netherlands to Category:Gaza war protests at universities in the Netherlands
- Nominator's rationale: Consistent with the article title Gaza war protests at universities, which was formed from a merger of 2024 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses and 2025 pro-Palestinian protests on university campuses. The subdivisions by date are an artefact of when the scope of the main article didn't yet extend past 2024. Further articles for 2025 weren't created for the United States but were for the Netherlands, meaning that articles like 2025 Gaza war protests at universities in the Netherlands are artificially excluded from the main category tree for Gaza war protests at universities. Ham II (talk) 08:08, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Speedy Rename per WP:C2D, consistency with main article's name. We should defer to the consensus in the article space and, if the main article is ever renamed through an RM, we should rename these again to match. - RevelationDirect (talk) 09:46, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 13:03, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Combat diving
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 08:40, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Combat diving to Category:Military diving
- Nominator's rationale: Seems to be WP:OVERLAPCAT, I can't really see how these are so different that it merits a different category. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:13, 17 July 2026 (UTC)
- Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Staraction (talk · contribs) 07:14, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Textiles of India
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- The result of the discussion was: Delete Timrollpickering (talk) 08:41, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
- Nominator's rationale: delete, the articles are already in Category:Indian clothing. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:11, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Naga culture
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 08:42, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Naga culture to Category:Culture of Nagaland
- Nominator's rationale: merge, largely overlapping scope. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:09, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Eastern Persian dialects in Afghanistan
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- The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 08:43, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Eastern Persian dialects in Afghanistan to Category:Eastern Persian dialects
- Nominator's rationale: There's little reason to specify this for Afghanistan when there's no category for Eastern Persian dialects broadly. It's either that or we rename this to Persian language in Afghanistan and create a separate Eastern Persian dialects category. Arctic Circle System (talk) 06:33, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Rename, dialects are diffused by language, not by location. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:14, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
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17th century in Poland
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 08:44, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:1656 in Poland to Category:1656 in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth
- Propose merging Category:1658 in Poland to Category:1658 in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth
- Propose merging Category:1680s in Poland to Category:1680s establishments in the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth
- Nominator's rationale: merge just like all other years and decades of the 17th century of Poland have been merged. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:30, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. ScalarFactor (talk) 21:10, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Keep, these are all part of the history of Poland and belong in Polish categories (as well as in the Commonwealth ones). Removing these from the Poland tree (or at the very least extremely severely reducing their discoverability in the Poland trees) doesn't help our readers one bit. Fram (talk) 07:49, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
- Merge with the size of the actual categories merging to the Polish-Lithuania category makes a lot more sense.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:10, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
- Merge More accurate and these remain under the Category:Poland tree. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:49, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
- By what route? Most obvious routes from cat:Poland no longer will work, e.g. > History > History by period > Years in Poland no longer will have these. Even if some route is still available, discoverability will be severely reduced. Fram (talk) 07:33, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
- Category:Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth is under Category:Political history of Poland. RevelationDirect (talk) 10:36, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
- By what route? Most obvious routes from cat:Poland no longer will work, e.g. > History > History by period > Years in Poland no longer will have these. Even if some route is still available, discoverability will be severely reduced. Fram (talk) 07:33, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
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Saint-Domingue
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 08:45, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:17th century in Haiti to Category:Saint-Domingue
- Propose merging Category:17th-century Haitian people to Category:People from Saint-Domingue
- REDIRECT Propose merging Category:18th century in Haiti to Category:Saint-Domingue
- REDIRECT Propose merging Category:18th-century Haitian people to Category:People from Saint-Domingue
- Nominator's rationale: merge, Saint Domingue existed from 1697 to 1803, there is no reason to split this by century. Move the 18th-century parent categories of Category:18th century in Haiti over to Category:Saint-Domingue. Move the 18th-century parent category of Category:18th-century Haitian people over to Category:People from Saint-Domingue. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:21, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Support to be more accurate,
I might redirect the 17th century cats as well to help readers less familiar with the topic.- RevelationDirect (talk) 09:48, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- @RevelationDirect: no, such a redirect would be very confusing, because the larger part of the 17th century the territory was part of the Colony of Santo Domingo. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:06, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- Fair enough RevelationDirect (talk) 00:58, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
- @RevelationDirect: no, such a redirect would be very confusing, because the larger part of the 17th century the territory was part of the Colony of Santo Domingo. Marcocapelle (talk) 21:06, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- Merge as proposed.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:11, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Sportspeople convicted of sex crimes
- Nominator's rationale: This is, for the vast majority of its contents, not WP:DEFINING, and while it does specify "convicted" it still has the potential for serious BLP issues. The Bushranger One ping only 05:26, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Comment, the conviction is defining, but one could argue that this concerns a trivial intersection and/or that "sex crimes" is too vague. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:35, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Yeah this reminds me of the recent Pornographic actresses who died by suicide and relevant older CfDs: Academics who committed suicide, Suicides by occupation. Nondefining intersections. Οἶδα (talk) 18:05, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- If that is the primary argument then Category:Musicians convicted of sex crimes and Category:Actors convicted of sex crimes might be nominated too. Maybe not in here, but separately. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:56, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- Hello, I'm the creator of the category and I wanted to have the category kept due to the amount of time it took for me to do it and I do think it being too vague is a non-argument, as the same can be said about sportspeople convicted of crimes category. Thegrimreaper1990 (talk) 20:41, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- And i was told to make it into a category instead of a previous category I made, which was called public figures convicted of sex crimes, which was too vague and I was told I would have no problems making it into a category. Thegrimreaper1990 (talk) 20:44, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- The amount of time it took is not a serious argument. With everything that editors do here on Wikipedia they know there is a risk of being reverted. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:56, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- I understand that, but could you respond to the other arguments I made? Thegrimreaper1990 (talk) 15:53, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- You responded to "too vague" but it looks like that is not the main objection to the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:15, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- And i was told to make it into a category instead of a previous category I made, which was called public figures convicted of sex crimes, which was too vague and I was told I would have no problems making it into a category. Thegrimreaper1990 (talk) 16:20, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- People say a lot of things. But you specifically were told:
Yes, though I have no guarantee that would not also be deleted...
So not "I was told I would have no problems making it into a category". Unless you stopped reading at "Yes". Οἶδα (talk) 17:59, 26 July 2026 (UTC)- OK, go ahead and delete the 3 categories, but you don't need to act like a jerk. Thegrimreaper1990 (talk) 19:15, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- Because it seems I can't change your minds since you have already made up your mind. Thegrimreaper1990 (talk) 19:16, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- My jerkiness was too high. Duly noted. I just wanted clarify what it is you were actually told. Either way, no one can ultimately promise you what CfD will decide because there is no guarantee. Οἶδα (talk) 20:34, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
- Ok Thegrimreaper1990 (talk) 22:30, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
- OK, go ahead and delete the 3 categories, but you don't need to act like a jerk. Thegrimreaper1990 (talk) 19:15, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- People say a lot of things. But you specifically were told:
- And i was told to make it into a category instead of a previous category I made, which was called public figures convicted of sex crimes, which was too vague and I was told I would have no problems making it into a category. Thegrimreaper1990 (talk) 16:20, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- You responded to "too vague" but it looks like that is not the main objection to the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:15, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- I understand that, but could you respond to the other arguments I made? Thegrimreaper1990 (talk) 15:53, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- The amount of time it took is not a serious argument. With everything that editors do here on Wikipedia they know there is a risk of being reverted. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:56, 26 July 2026 (UTC)
- And i was told to make it into a category instead of a previous category I made, which was called public figures convicted of sex crimes, which was too vague and I was told I would have no problems making it into a category. Thegrimreaper1990 (talk) 20:44, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Yeah this reminds me of the recent Pornographic actresses who died by suicide and relevant older CfDs: Academics who committed suicide, Suicides by occupation. Nondefining intersections. Οἶδα (talk) 18:05, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Delete a non-defining cross categorization.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:11, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
- Keep as defining. Their sex crimes are frequently mentioned in the lede of their article and are defining characteristics.--User:Namiba 15:40, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
- Or upmerge? As Marcocapelle stated above, the conviction is defining, but the specific intersection between conviction of sex crimes (not just crimes in general) and occupation (specifically: sportspeople) is arguably trivial. Compared to, say, nationality. Though I will note the 10-year-old CfD brought by Liz at Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2016 March 14#Category:Politicians convicted of sex offences, which even predicted Actors convicted of sex crimes, which is another one of these catgories created by this same user. That CfD resulted in the intersection of politicians being kept. Οἶδα (talk) 20:52, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
- "Mentioned in the lede" doesn't necessarily make something a defininig characteristic. To give an example, Rick Crawford (racing driver), the page that drew my attention to this, was convicted after his retirement. The conviction is a footnote when it comes to his notability, which is entirely defined by his racing career. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:06, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
- It's not defining in every case but it is often defining. Sexual violence is a key part of sports culture which has been demonstrated repeatedly in a variety of reliable sources.--User:Namiba 14:37, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
- For the purposes of categorization, that would be interesting if the articles were persons convicted of sex offences within the industry. Instead, their occcupation is merely incidental, right? Οἶδα (talk) 16:21, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you mean. Can you rephrase your question?--User:Namiba 18:16, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
- The article you linked touched on abuse within sports. Aren't the wiki articles in Sportspeople convicted of sex crimes about persons convicted of crimes they committed outside the context of sports? Genuinely asking because I haven't gone through the nearly 200 articles in the category. Οἶδα (talk) 19:19, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
- In many cases, their criminal activities are directly sports-related. For example, just clicking through the category I found examples: Dick Caine was convicted of offences against his female students as a swimming coach. Jean Bégin committed sexual assault against the boys he coached. Jean-Luc Cairon died in prison after being convicted for sexual assault of those he coached. Larry Nassar (not in the category but should be) famously was convicted of sexually assaulting at least 265 women and girls under his medical care. However, I would argue that the intersection is defining even if their crimes were not directly related to their career in sports. Per WP:DEFINING, "a defining characteristic is one that reliable, secondary sources commonly and consistently define, in prose, the subject as having." Connor McGregor is DEFINED by his sexual assault conviction. Andrew Tate is as well. Their background in sports played a role in their criminality and their fame. They are also drawn to combat sports.--User:Namiba 19:54, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
- Interesting. I am only familiar wih the Larry Nassar case.
Per WP:DEFINING, "a defining characteristic is one that reliable, secondary sources commonly and consistently define, in prose, the subject as having."
- As I was saying above, the conviction is absolutely defining and that would, at the very least, be reason to not delete and instead upmerge to People convicted of sex crimes. But not necessarily reason to intersect specific criminal convictions with specific occupations. Presumably the offences for a lot of the articles are incidental to their background in sports. Though I just clicked through 20 different articles and several are directly tied to their careers in sports. Especially as coaches. Οἶδα (talk) 20:30, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
- In many cases, their criminal activities are directly sports-related. For example, just clicking through the category I found examples: Dick Caine was convicted of offences against his female students as a swimming coach. Jean Bégin committed sexual assault against the boys he coached. Jean-Luc Cairon died in prison after being convicted for sexual assault of those he coached. Larry Nassar (not in the category but should be) famously was convicted of sexually assaulting at least 265 women and girls under his medical care. However, I would argue that the intersection is defining even if their crimes were not directly related to their career in sports. Per WP:DEFINING, "a defining characteristic is one that reliable, secondary sources commonly and consistently define, in prose, the subject as having." Connor McGregor is DEFINED by his sexual assault conviction. Andrew Tate is as well. Their background in sports played a role in their criminality and their fame. They are also drawn to combat sports.--User:Namiba 19:54, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
- The article you linked touched on abuse within sports. Aren't the wiki articles in Sportspeople convicted of sex crimes about persons convicted of crimes they committed outside the context of sports? Genuinely asking because I haven't gone through the nearly 200 articles in the category. Οἶδα (talk) 19:19, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
- I'm not sure what you mean. Can you rephrase your question?--User:Namiba 18:16, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
- For the purposes of categorization, that would be interesting if the articles were persons convicted of sex offences within the industry. Instead, their occcupation is merely incidental, right? Οἶδα (talk) 16:21, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
- It's not defining in every case but it is often defining. Sexual violence is a key part of sports culture which has been demonstrated repeatedly in a variety of reliable sources.--User:Namiba 14:37, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
Category:Garages (parking)
- Propose Renaming Category:Garages (parking) to Category:Multistorey car parks
- Propose Renaming Category:Garages (parking) in the United States to Category:Parking garages in the United States
- Propose Renaming Category:Garages (parking) on the National Register of Historic Places to Category:Parking garages on the National Register of Historic Places
- Nominator's rationale: WP:C2D, consistency with main article's name, and WP:ENGVAR
- These categories contain articles about commercial buildings for vehicle parking. The main article is Multistorey car park, which is a Britishism, while "Parking garage" is the American phrase. The current category names are ambiguous and could just as easily describe parking structures in houses, for which we have Category:Garages (residential). - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:10, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- I'm American, so take this for what it's worth, but I would never think to look for "Multistorey car park." I prefer "Parking garages" as the category name, but I acknowledge the conflict with the article title. Mike Selinker (talk) 08:00, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Hmm, maybe to bridge the variations we could do a header with the alternate name for readers and a category redirect so "Parking garages" would show up in Hotcat. The main article has had several unsuccessful RMs to various targets over the years and if/when one eventually passes, as always, I would favor renaming the parent cat to match that consensus. RevelationDirect (talk) 09:40, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Oppose Especially for the 3rd category which is clearly US limited. In the US these things are called parking garages. So a category based on a designation in the US should clearly use the language used in the US.John Pack Lambert (talk) 14:13, 27 July 2026 (UTC)
- @Johnpacklambert: The third one is proposing "Parking garages" though. Did you mean to oppose the first one? RevelationDirect (talk) 00:56, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
- I opppse all of them. This is a treating of British English as correct and American English as wrong. We should not do renames foe that reason alone.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:58, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
- In this case I think we need to renane the article.John Pack Lambert (talk) 00:59, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
- Support the second and third. Oppose the first which needs further discussion at the article first per ENGVAR. - The Bushranger One ping only 20:04, 28 July 2026 (UTC)
Category:Lockheed Martin-associated military facilities
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- The result of the discussion was: manual merge. Staraction (talk · contribs) 13:21, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
- Propose Selectively Merging Category:Lockheed Martin-associated military facilities to Category:Lockheed Martin
- Nominator's rationale: WP:OCASSOC
- Lockheed Martin is a major American defense contractor that has countless contracts at military bases. United States Air Force Plant 4, United States Air Force Plant 6, and Skunk Works are LM specific facilities so it makes sense to upmerge those. The rest are not defined by the presence of this company within a larger military complex. - RevelationDirect (talk) 02:10, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Manually merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:40, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Extrajudicial prisons of the United States
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge Timrollpickering (talk) 08:48, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:Extrajudicial prisons of the United States to Category:Detention centers for extrajudicial prisoners of the United States
- Nominator's rationale: Without additional explanation, having both categories seems confusing. Note that Category:Detention centers for extrajudicial prisoners of the United States is included in Category:Extrajudicial prisoners of the United States, which is then included in Category:Extrajudicial prisons of the United States. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:03, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
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Category:Games by Apollo
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- The result of the discussion was: Rename Timrollpickering (talk) 08:49, 1 August 2026 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Games by Apollo to Category:Games by Apollo games
- Nominator's rationale: Currently a topic category containing the main article, and video games by the company Games by Apollo. Proposal is to make it a WP:SETCAT, and re-cat into Category:Video games by American companies. 1857a (talk) 01:00, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Rename Only one article that is not a game by the studio. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:25, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Οἶδα (talk) 04:07, 25 July 2026 (UTC)
- rename per nom --Lenticel (talk) 00:30, 29 July 2026 (UTC)
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