Wikipedia:Dispute resolution noticeboard/Archive 136

Summary of dispute by NitinBhargava2016

Dispute did not start with my edits to Kannada language or people. It started with user Magentic Manifestations refusing to delete 'various Tamil kingdoms ruled Nilgiris' which was inserted without any citation at all in the sole reference mentioned in the beginning '^[1]' as Nilgiris is presently in Tamil Nadu, user's home state! I immediately identified that this could be a possible act of bias/parochialism/chauvinism. I politely notified the user that the sole reference doesn't say a word about rule of Tamil kingdoms over Nilgiris instead of challenging and removing it right away. User thanked and asked me to search for references instead! 1st source - User twisted citation in source by deliberately omitting the negator 'not' in 'not even the dynastic rulers—the Cheras, the Cholas, the Pandiyas, the Rashtrakutas, the Gangas, the Pallavas, the Kadambas and the Hoysalas—can be credited with discovering this jewel in their crown'.' which confirmed my suspicion. 2nd source - "The location of the Nilgiris is unique that it was in the tri-junction of ancient Tamil kingdoms of Cholas, Cheras and the Pandyas. Hence, it was under Cheras, Cholas or local chieftains at various...". Nilgiris is at the tri-junction of Kerala, Karnataka and TN and not that of Cheras, Cholas and Pandyas. Even if it were to be, the tri-junction could well be on the plains off the heights of Nilgiri plateau which is above 2 km MSL. Is this concrete and credible proof for an international encyclopaedia? No! Couldn't find user's quote in any of the versions of 'Madras District Gazetteers: The Nilgiris'. Also, 'South Asia and Multilateral Trade Regime: Disorders for Development' by C. S. Sundaresan states - 'location of the Nilgiris was in the tri junction of the ancient Tamil kingdoms of Cholas, Cheras and the Pandyas, that it attracted a great political significance from the very early stages of its development'. User has twisted it to his liking and misquotes the source as — 'Hence, it was under Cheras, Cholas or local chieftains at various...' and says 'Nilgiris have been under the rule of Cheras, Cholas or Pandyas for centuries' which the source never says directly! Its clear that the user doesn't have W:NPOV.

I requested JorisvS for mediation where he clearly supported me -'Wikipedia policy requires that claims can be verified: WP:V. Another core content policy is neutral point of view: W:NPOV. Any content that violates these core policies may be summarily removed. Part of verifiability is that claims made in the article must be claims that the sources also make directly. The burden of evidence is on the editor who adds claims, not the one who challenges/removes them'. User mentions authors as S.K. Sahu and Nilamani Senapati as authors for this source 'Gazetteer of India : Nilgiris' who have commented on Nilgiris in Odisha and not Tamil Nadu. Not sure if they mention Nilgiris of TN also. Also the quote user has given is grammatically incorrect which increases the suspicion that it is not from the source. I give preference for facts and not any language in particular. Being a challenger of un-sourced, biased content, why should I have to go through all this explanation and waste my time? 3rd source - Cholas ruled from south India to Ganges, so they must have ruled Nilgiris also. Hilarious! Cholas ruled India's far south plains, and conquered up to Vengi kingdom of Godavari river delta, not all the way till Ganga in Bengal which were invaded but not conquered. Karnataka was ruled by the mighty Kalyani Chalukyas. All of Karnataka's highlands were thickly forested and inaccessible to southern plains of Kerala and Tamil Nadu except through Kolar which was the only known route. Only the natives of highlands knew the passes and secret routes to the plains and also controlled them thoroughly.

Inscriptions of Hoysalas, Gangas, Kadambas, Rashtrakutas, Dannayakas, Vijayanagara emperors, Wodeyars, Mysore Sultans have been discovered which is a concrete proof. But why no such inscription/manuscript/work mentions Chera/Chola/Pandya rule over Nilgiris and the date of their rule? Isn't this sufficient evidence for removing Tamil kingdoms? User asks for the specific wiki policy where in such sources are not acceptable. I request your help for suggesting the same. WP:V, W:NPOV. To conclude, any of the Tamil kingdoms' rule over Nilgiris is only a probability, but definitely not a certainty! If there is any concrete evidence, I will be the happiest person to have the disputed content included right away in the article.

I am moving the line 'A hero stone (Veeragallu) with a Kannada inscription at Vazhaithottam (Bale thota) in the Nilgiri District, dated to 10th century CE has been discovered.' to the article on Nilgiris.

NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 10:39, 2 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Robert McClenon, I'm not ready to discuss this issue with user as he wants the disputed content to stay and then debate. I can't endlessly argue, I request your mediation and immediate intervention. I being a challenger of un-sourced, biased and parochial content, request you to decide on this issue. User has withdrawn the request without notifying me. Please let me know if anything else needs to be done for re-initiating this DR request here or if a new one needs to be raised. After I receive the confirmation that my request has been opened, I will notify the other user. NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 16:03, 5 April 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Ooty#Did Pandyas, Cholas and Cheras ever rule Nilgiris? discussion

• Volunteer note - There has been just barely adequate discussion at the talk page. The filing party has not notified the other party. My recommendation is that the two parties discuss for another 24 hours. If that discussion is inconclusive, one party may notify the other party and the other party may respond. I am leaving this thread open in order to permit more discussion at the talk page and then here if necessary. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:21, 1 April 2016 (UTC)
• Volunteer note - This is a difficult case. One of the editors has asked me to mediate the case immediately, and seems to want to start mediation without intervening discussion on the talk page. There are two problems with that request. First, discussion here must be preceded by discussion at a talk page. This is just the way this board works. We don't have "pre-emptive mediation", which has been asked for in order to bypass discussion. Second, the request was for me to mediate this dispute. I am already mediating a dispute, and I only mediate one dispute at a time. (Other volunteers may work differently.) It is better to just ask, by filing or replying here, for moderated discussion. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:28, 6 April 2016 (UTC)
• Another note - There has been adequate discussion at the talk page. Another volunteer may accept this case. The parties will have to follow any ground rules set by the mediator. See the mediation policy. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:29, 6 April 2016 (UTC)

Hi Robert McClenon, there has been more than adequate discussion at the talk page. I do not see any point in discussing the issue with the other user any further as it doesn't seem to bear any result, is inconclusive and is still at square one from where we had started. Could you please help me take this case to another volunteer at the earliest as I am unaware of the process? Thanks,—NitinBhargava2016 (talk) 03:54, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by Knight_of_BAAWA

Template:Anarchism sidebar discussion

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Summary of dispute by Thomas.W

Summary of dispute by Born53 swe

Laura Branigan discussion

• Volunteer note - On the one hand, there has been discussion at the article talk page after the RFC was closed on 4 April, and the other editors have been notified. However, the filing party appears to be requesting admin action, and this is not the place for requesting admin action. If there is edit-warring, it should be reported at WP:ANEW. This request should probably be closed, because it appears to be a conduct dispute (either edit-warring or editing against consensus). Robert McClenon (talk) 02:57, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

It took a lot of effort to come down here and do this, much like this a few weeks ago. Please tell this will be resolved if I go to WP:ANEW. Devilmanozzy (talk) 05:41, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

If the edit-warring is still going on, the article is likely to be protected. Explain in your request that there already was an RFC and they are editing against consensus. Sometimes, when the filing is made at WP:ANEW, the other editors go away, in which case you can restore the consensus DOB. Robert McClenon (talk) 12:52, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

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Summary of dispute by Tnguyen4321

Why Ia Drang (or rather Why Chu Pong)? The NVA was staging an attack of the Pleime camp in the Chu Pong bases. The ARVN intended to destroy the three NVA 32nd, 33rd, and 66th Regiments with B-52 strike at the moment they regroup in assembly areas by December 1965. When the NVA decided for an earlier attack on 19 October with only the two 32nd and 33rd Regiments, the ARVN II Corps Command employed a delay tactic in repulsing the attack regiments back to Chu Pong where they rejoined the 66th Regiment to stage for a second attack of the camp. The ARVN II Corps Command requested the help of the 1st Air Cavalry Division in luring the enemy troops back to Chu Pong where they became suitable targets for B-52 strikes that went into action for 5 consecutive days from 15 to 20 November. The exploitation phase was assumed by the ARVN Airborne Brigade. This joint ARVN-US operation is narrated by BG McChristian, J2/MACV in "Intelligence Aspect of Plei Me/Chu Pong campaign (20 October to 20 November)" http://www.generalhieu.com/pleime_intel_J2-2.htm. Therefore, the two belligerents in this conflict are the NVA and the ARVN. The US only participated in an assisting role to the ARVN.

Summary of dispute by David J Johnson

Nothing further to add. My views are on article Talk page and discussion should continue there. David J Johnson (talk) 20:36, 3 April 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Battle of_Ia_Drang#ARVN_involvement discussion

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Summary of dispute by HENDAWG229

Summary of dispute by Ultraexactzz

Talk:List of_2016_box_office_number-one_films_in_the_United_States discussion

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Summary of dispute by Cordless Larry

Yonk wishes to add criticism of a report issued in New Zealand called the "Superdiversity Stocktake", which is mentioned in the article as an example of the use of the social science concept of superdiversity. My perspective is that we need to see some secondary coverage of this debate, but also that the article is really about the concept of superdiversity and is not the place to go into arguments about the impact of immigration on New Zealand. I'm not sure why this case has been opened, though. Yonk started an RfC on the article's talk page on 29 March, only to remove it today. I suggest reinstating the RfC and letting it run its course. Cordless Larry (talk) 06:30, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

• Just to note that I didn't receive a notification about this case being opened. I discovered it after seeing Yonk's edit at Talk:Superdiversity. Cordless Larry (talk) 08:13, 7 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by BrumEduResearch

Talk:Superdiversity discussion

• Volunteer note - There has been adequate discussion at the article talk page, but the filing editor has not notified the other editors. It is the responsibility of the filing editor to notify the other editors. When the other editors are notified and if they agree to participate (since participation is voluntary), this case may be opened for discussion. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:29, 8 April 2016 (UTC)

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Summary of dispute by Jess

Talk:William Lane_Craig discussion

• Volunteer note - There has been extensive discussion on the talk page by three editors, the two named parties, and User:Epipelagic. Epipelagic has not been included in the header of this case request and has not been notified. Jess has been notified. It is the responsibility of the filing party to notify Epipelagic. Once that is done, the next step is to wait for comments from the other parties, since moderated discussion is encouraged but voluntary. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:14, 10 April 2016 (UTC)

Fixed that. BabyJonas (talk) 10:19, 11 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by Diranakir

Summary of dispute by Armen Ohanian

Talk:Armenian Genocide#Aghet_inserted_in_the_lede discussion

• Volunteer note - There has been adequate discussion at the talk page. The filing party has notified the other editors. This case can be opened for moderated discussion by a volunteer if the other editors agree to moderated discussion (since moderated discussion is encouraged but voluntary). Robert McClenon (talk) 03:22, 10 April 2016 (UTC)
•  Volunteer note: I'll be taking this case for moderated discussion. Although participation is voluntary, editors are encouraged to participate to come to a peaceful resolution. I'll open this case once the other participants indicate their willingness to participate. Regards—UY Scuti ^Talk 17:21, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
•  Volunteer note: This case will be closed in 24 hours for lack of participation, (pinging the participants once Diranakir and Armen Ohanian) Regards—UY Scuti ^Talk 21:23, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

NB, on 11 April Diranakir rejected the proposal of moderated discussion . Tiptoethrutheminefield (talk) 22:52, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

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Draft:Natalia Toreeva discussion

• Volunteer note - The requested subject of this discussion is a draft autobiography in draft space. Please read the conflict of interest policy and the autobiography policy. The submission of autobiographies is discouraged (less so in draft space than in article space, but still discouraged). Authors of drafts that are declined via Articles for Creation are invited to request advice from experienced editors at the Teahouse. The author has not identified or notified the declining reviewers, but draft articles are not the usual scope of this noticeboard. Robert McClenon (talk) 02:43, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

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Summary of dispute by HistoryofIran

Actually we did show him sources, he just don't like what he is seeing. Just read the whole discussion, then you'll understand what I am saying. --HistoryofIran (talk) 12:12, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

You showed sources where there is no anything about the Persian identity of Derbendids in the 15th century, only about the Persianization of the Shirvanshahs in the 11th century (several centuries before palace construction and another dynasty). --Interfase (talk) 19:28, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

We already have shown you various sources - assuming that the identity/ethnos of the Shirvanshahs had changed with the advent of the Derbendids is pure WP:OR looking at the sources. --HistoryofIran (talk) 22:12, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by LouisAragon

Palace of the Shirvanshahs discussion

All of the listed users need to be notified by the person who files a case before the case can be opened. HistoryofIran is apparently already aware of this case, but it is the responsibility of Interfase to notify everyone. KSFT^C 02:08, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

• Volunteer note - There has been discussion on the article talk page, but not within the past three weeks (as well as the other two editors not having been notified). The editors should resume discussion on the talk page. If discussion fails, and if proper notice of this filing is given, and all editors agree, moderated discussion can be started here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Robert McClenon (talk • contribs) 02:54, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

1. I put all users' names involvlving on the discussion on talk page here as a link. So, they should be notified (and see notification on "Ypur alerts" link). 2. If you look at the discussion you can see that we came to the dead end on discussion, so moderated discussion is needed. --Interfase (talk) 03:52, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

We didn't come to a dead end, you just keep making the same disruptive revert over and over. We have already shown you sources, while you have shown nothing but your personal opinion. Furthermore, I didn't get notificed about this. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:02, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

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Summary of dispute by Dontreader

Summary of dispute by Nishidani

Talk:Antisemitism and_the_New_Testament#Update_and_sources discussion

• Volunteer note - There has been sufficient discussion on the article talk page. The filing party has not notified the other parties of the filing of this request. It should be noted that participation here is voluntary, and that an editor who does not wish to discuss on the talk page is unlikely to discuss here, although they are still encouraged to discuss anywhere. The filing party should notify the other parties, and then statements from the parties will be awaited. Robert McClenon (talk) 20:41, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

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Summary of dispute by Doc James

Summary of dispute by Zad68

Sorry but I don't think a DRN process would be a good use of time and I'm unlikely to participate here. We've already talked about it a lot on the Talk page and it's pretty clear there isn't consensus to include, I don't see what the benefit would be by arguing it again over here. Zad68 16:43, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by Jytdog

This is blatant WP:IDHT from the OP, who has literally no support for the content they want to add and will not hear that. Jytdog (talk) 16:46, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by Ozzie10aaaa

as per prior comments your edits were not WP CONSENSUS per Talk:Sudden_infant_death_syndrome,--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 21:20, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by WhatamIdoing

Summary of dispute by Drchriswilliams

There was a discussion that was already underway when I came across it, 28 comments were already listed and so I thought a fresh voice might help. There are a number of parts of the Wikipedia SIDS article that aren't up-to-date or well written. But this was a discussion that appeared to centre around the relative merits of making use of a study that had looked at whether fans might alter risk. SIDS is a diagnosis that is made post-mortem and our understanding of some of the risks has been changing over time. There have been attempts at systematic review of the available evidence, with one of the most prominent examples of this published by the American Academy of Pediatrics in 2011. There are aspects of SIDS that are more straightforward to analyse, so there are some recommendations that have some weight of evidence behind them. We should not be giving undue prominence to research that is flawed or where there is sufficient doubt about the validity of the findings. Drchriswilliams (talk) 18:53, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by DHeyward

Not in the lead. Not authoritative in any way and not suggesting that fans mitigate the risk of SIDS. Otherwise fans are great. So are humidifiers and dehumidifiers. --DHeyward (talk) 16:41, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Sudden infant_death_syndrome#study_on_use_of_fans discussion

Volunteer note – The listed users have not been notified on their talk pages. It is the responsibility of the user who files a case to notify all the involved users. KSFT^C 15:26, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Sorry about that! I have put in the notification templates now. Wpegden (talk) 16:40, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Under the circumstances, there seems to be some question raised by Zad above regarding WP:TE problems here. I think maybe a better first step than DRN here might be to file an RfC as per WP:RFC and notify any interested WikiProjects or other groups regarding that. John Carter (talk) 17:05, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

I've gone ahead and put in a RfC. To be clear, the reason I though it was appropriate to request DRN is that there have been these accusations starting which I don't think are grounded in what has actually happened, so that a moderated discussion would be helpful. For example, Jytdog's comment above that I have "literally no support for the content [I] want to add and will not hear that" can be clearly seen to be false from the talk page, where WhatamIdoing is now very supportive, and Drchriswilliams has indicated that he is open to the content in certain sections but not others (which I am completely fine with). Wpegden (talk) 18:25, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

I disagree with John Carter. RFC normally comes after DRN if DRN doesn't help. KSFT^C 19:13, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

Ok sorry I went ahead and filed an RFC in response to his suggestion. I'm not as familiar with some of these conventions as I should be. Wpegden (talk) 19:45, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

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Summary of dispute by 15zulu

All sources give one date, 31 March 2016. The current discussion at the project page has Cassandro and me stating that we should use the date as reported by sources and only one user, Editor FIN, saying we should use a date that's not in any sources regarding Armstrong-Jones. Editor FIN has also failed to provide any examples on Wikipedia or elsewhere where the end of term is before the retirement date, instead arguing that it's my burden to prove. Since he wants a date which is different than all the sources, than it's his burden to convince other that we should use this other date. 15zulu (talk) 22:26, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by Cassandro

Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Politics of the United Kingdom and User talk:15zulu discussion

• Volunteer note - First, this case is misfiled, in that, although the parties have been notified, the case is not listed correctly (probably because of an attempt to list two talk pages at once). Second, the filing part is asked to read the essay on lame edit wars. I personally will not accept a case over an off-by-one date. (Anyway, compromise is not possible, since 30.5 March is not a day.) I don't object if other editors will accept this lame case. My suggestion is to take this case to the Help Desk and see if someone can propose an answer based on the Manual of Style. Robert McClenon (talk) 16:25, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Do not combine material from multiple sources to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by any of the sources. Similarly, do not combine different parts of one source to reach or imply a conclusion not explicitly stated by the source. If one reliable source says A, and another reliable source says B, do not join A and B together to imply a conclusion C that is not mentioned by either of the sources. This would be improper editorial synthesis of published material to imply a new conclusion, which is original research performed by an editor here.

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Summary of dispute by 92.29.150.105

Talk:Surface Book discussion

Volunteer comment – DRN is for content disputes that haven't reached a consensus on talk pages. You need to discuss the issue before bringing it here. If the problem is with another editor's behavior, you can bring that to the administrator's noticeboard. I am not opening or closing this case right now. KSFT^C 20:46, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

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Summary of dispute by Tony1

User talk:Tony1#Edits_on_Anthony_Marinelli discussion

Volunteer comment – There has been very little discussion on the talk page. Tony1 has only commented once. Also, this case seems to be mostly about his behavior, not the content. It's been less than two days since your last comment on his talk page, but if he continues to refuse to discuss the issue, you can bring that to the administrators' noticeboard. I am not opening or closing this case right now. KSFT^C 20:14, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

• Volunteer comment - I will be closing this case as incorrectly filed and premature. It is incorrectly filed, because it doesn't cite an article, and because the other editor wasn't notified. If there is a content issue, discuss it on the article talk page (and if discussion fails, follow a dispute resolution procedure). As noted, if there really is a conduct issue, first read the boomerang essay, and then consider reporting it to WP:ANI. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:28, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

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Summary of dispute by Zoltan Bukovszky

- These articles are about state leaders, so if someone served as acting president or acting prime minister, then they should naturally be listed in the article.

- Footnotes can be used to explain the background and reasons of the incumbent's leave of absence, if necessary.

- As per our previous discussion Neve-selbert wants to include an acting president when the substantive president is undergoing an impeachment process, but not when they are incapacitated for medical reasons. This distinction is irrelevant because both causes lead to the same end result: office holder on leave of absence, and their powers temporarily exercised by the acting leader. On the other hand GoodDay only wants to include acting leaders where there is no substantive office holder - which to me appears inconsistent (sometimes the acting leader became the next substantive office holder upon the previous incumbent's death, resignation or impeachment).

- Wikipedia editors shouldn't try to overwrite history based on what should have happened. If Reagan and Chavez did not have acting presidents then none should be invented for them, but if Castro and Ramos-Horta had acting presidents during their incapacity, then those should be included.

- Deleting or hiding acting leaders in a footnote would bereave the article of people who actually led their countries, sometimes for quite a considerable time (in the case of Raúl Castro, Phoumi Vongvichit and Gerald Cash it was several years). ZBukov (talk) 09:52, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by GoodDay

We should be having this content discussion at a designated article talkpage, which would cover all List of state leaders in Year articles & thus seek a consensus. Then if that fails, have an Rfc. Other editors haven't gotten a chance to give their input on this matter. Going to DRN, is too early. GoodDay (talk) 12:31, 12 April 2016 (UTC)

Responding to request - Incapacitated means in this case, not being able to perform one's powers & duties, while still holding the office. GoodDay (talk) 20:45, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

List of state leaders discussion

• Volunteer note - There has been extended discussion at User talk:Zoltan Bukovszky. Is that sufficient, since the discussion appears to be about six article pages. The other editors have been notified. Will another experienced volunteer please answer the question of whether this noticeboard can discuss an issue involving multiple articles? If not, the next step is probably a Request for Comments. Robert McClenon (talk) 01:49, 12 April 2016 (UTC)
• Comment by non-moderating volunteer - In some countries, including the United States, there is a formal procedure for designation of an acting head of state. In the United States, this is defined by the Twenty-fifth Amendment to the United States Constitution. In the case of Ronald Reagan, there was no Twenty-fifth Amendment designation when Reagan was shot, so that he continued to act in his own authority. When Ronald Reagan underwent surgery, he did issue a Twenty-fifth Amendment designation of Vice-president George W. Bush as acting President, but nothing newsworthy happened while he was unconscious except that he underwent surgery. Robert McClenon (talk) 15:01, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

Ya mean of course Prez. Ronald W. Reagan passed his powers & duties temporarily on to Vice Prez. George H. W. Bush in 1985 :) PS - the 25th amendment's third clause was also invoked briefly in 2002 & 2007, where Prez. George W. Bush temporarily passed powers & duties onto Vice Prez. Dick Cheney :) GoodDay (talk) 03:52, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Moderating Volunteer's First Statement

This dispute already has obviously been extensively discussed on a talk page, and I think what is missing is what each party's definition of "incapacitated" because I think it may be at the root of the problem. Would each side please state their definition of "incapacitated"? Joel.Miles925 (talk) 14:12, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

The whole notion of an "incapacitated" leader is wholly debatable. Indeed, many would consider Robert Mugabe of Zimbabwe or Bhumibol Adulyadej of Thailand as incapacitated leaders, despite the fact that they are both officially "capacitated", as of this writing. My point is, the definition of "incapacitated" really depends on your own POV. For example, Bush was only incapacitated for a several hours in 2002 and 2007 and whether or not the international community recognised Cheney as the legitimate acting leader of the USA for that short time period is uncertain. Furthermore, I believe that the main culprit in this dispute is the consistency involved in respect to situations like these. As GoodDay noted in the talk page discussion, there was never a vacancy in the office of e.g. President of East Timor in 2008 or President, Prime Minister, or First Secretary of the Communist Party of Cuba in 2006–08. Considering his reasoning alone, my principal judgment would be to do away with these acting leaders serving concurrently as it creates confusion as to who was the actual official leader of that given country during that given time period. Having considered the arguments of the opposing side, I thought a footnote would be a good compromise option (instead of listing the acting leader equally bulleted underneath the temporarily incapacitated de facto one). This proposal was also rejected by the opposing side. All in all, my definition of an incapacitated leader is rather less trivial than one may expect—many leaders are incapacitated from time to time, and many leaders do not feel the need to have an Acting president to temporarily stand-in for them (and if they do, it usually goes unnoticed by the mainstream media and the international community, e.g. Benjamin Netanyahu of Israel in 2016), so therefore the whole notion of there being two presidents of one country at one time is rare and a frankly quite bizarre concept that does not adequately fit in a consistent manner on par with other similar situations that occurred have previously. My judgment is sound: a footnote should be apt enough for these special situations and nothing more and probably nothing less.--Neve–selbert 18:24, 13 April 2016 (UTC)

I do like the idea of a footnote, but the problem is that we can't get all parties involved to agree. I will confirm that all parties have been sufficiently notified (ZBukov), and if so we should probably begin considering options that everyone would agree with (assuming all editors appear). Joel.Miles925 (talk) 13:13, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Each country's legal system probably has a definition for "incapacity", and it's not something I or we at Wikipedia would have to make a decision about. We are in no position to overwrite a country's decision to install or not to install an acting president. If Zimbabwe has not installed an acting president, then Neve-selbert's impression about President Robert Mugabe's state of health is irrelevant because it will not "create" an acting president. And looking for a common definition of incapacity is wholly beside the point, because leaders can go on a leave of absence for a host of different reasons (e.g. criminal investigation - Moshe Katsav, clinical depression - Kjell Magne Bondevik, constitutional impeachment - Traian Basescu, medical emergency - José Ramos-Horta, etc). And regarding acting leaders all we can - and should - do is note and duly include them in the list. ZBukov (talk) 13:41, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Per WP:UNDUE, the sheer inclusion of these acting presidents, etc. serving concurrently on par with the official presidents bulleted above is really quite simply, in my humble opinion, a result of undue and excessive weight. The footnote option gives us the best of both worlds in many respects, i.e. these temporary stand-in leaders are mentioned, while tucked away neatly in a footnote.--Neve–selbert 20:06, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

• Non-Moderating Volunteer Note - The filing part, User:Neve-selbert, has been indefinitely blocked. Unless the two other parties wish to discuss with each other, it would probably be advisable for the moderator or coordinator to close the case. If the filing party is unblocked and wishes to re-open discussion, they can refile. Robert McClenon (talk) 22:10, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
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Summary of dispute by https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Stevietheman

Talk:Boyce Watkins discussion

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Summary of dispute by Stevietheman

This is a WP:BLP and therefore we have to be especially careful. The editor wanting to add a quote from a video is selectively pulling a quote they think has context but also appears to be an attempt to place the subject in an unflattering light, to paint the subject a particular way. They believe just because the subject said something in a primary source that it can be added, just because it relates to other content. The problem is that they are subjectively deciding the context of its inclusion. If what Watkins said here is so noteworthy, it would have been covered in secondary sources somewhere, like the other similar content was, showing its contextual relation. When did this quote from the subject's uploaded video become newsworthy? Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 15:00, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Re: "The editor seems to want to dominate the page in an attempt to exert some sort of control. He has fabricated his own rules and insisted that they must be followed." No such thing has occurred. I have referred to the policies/guidelines of this site in my disagreement with the inclusion of this material. But if you want to talk about exerting control, the IP editor wanting to decide the newsworthiness of something on their own is a problem, and also there's an issue where even in the middle of our discussing this, the IP editor kept reverting back to their version. The proper approach would be to rollback to the previous version and keep it there until we had reached some form of resolution. That and WP:BLP requirements are why I kept reverting back. Stevie is the man! ^{Talk • Work} 15:06, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Boyce Watkins discussion

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Summary of dispute by Neutrality

University of_Northern_New_Jersey discussion

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Summary of dispute by Knight of BAAWA

This edit-war against anarchocapitalism has been ongoing for at least a decade. In that time, it has been decided on the anarchism talk page and the template talk page time and again to be inclusive in spite of the feelings of those who do not like capitalism. And this time is more of the same, which is just hatred. In fact, 24.197.253.43 called the inclusion of anarchocapitalism on the template page "vandalism". Should you think I am misquoting him, I assure you that I am not. To wit: "I do not apologize for the reversion war with User:Knight of BAAWA as I consider the inclusion of "Anarcho-capitalism" to be vandalism. S/he clearly has an ideological axe to grind and their claims of neutrality are laughable." And we have the usual from Eduen with scarce-quotes, and other sundry who are just lumping in with hate instead of trying to make the template better.

This is simply yet another bad-faith edit on the part of those who have an ideological axe to grind against anarchocapitalism. Period. Nothing more. Wikipedia is supposed to be inclusive and objective, yet time and again those with an ideological axe to grind against anarchocapitalism refuse to accept that, preferring instead to exclude due to their own biases. Now I'm not saying that I'm not biased: I am. However, I hold to the inclusive idea of Wikipedia. Otherwise, for instance, on the christianity page there'd be edit wars with the protestants vs the catholics or jws or some other sect trying to remove mention of one or the other. You can see where this leads: chaos for Wikipedia. Far better to be inclusive.

Further, it seems those who do not like anarchocapitalism do not understand what "fringe" means on Wikipedia. They think "fringe" means "minority position", when it means something much different. Quoting from "What Fringe is Not", we find "WP:FRINGE has nothing to do with politics or opinions. (For example, a small political party may be a fringe party, but it is not appropriate to cite FRINGE when discussing such parties.) Politics and opinions may be on 'the fringe' of public perception, but the matter of our FRINGE guideline deals directly with what can be proven or demonstrated using the scientific method by academics, scholars, and scientists. Political opinions about recent history, future predictions, social opinion, and popular culture cannot be fringe because the basis of the opinion is not scientific or academic." and "WP:FRINGE is most often abused in political and social articles where better policies such as WP:NPOV or WP:UNDUE are appropriate. Citing WP:FRINGE in discussions and edit summaries is often done by POV pushers in an attempt to demonize viewpoints which contradict their own."

We can see that fringe is being attempted, and was abused already by Iterrexconsul, whereupon I had to quote him the entirety of What Fringe Is Not on his talk page to get him to understand.

So let us embrace inclusivity and objectivity. I do hope the other editors will agree that this is a good thing. - Knight of BAAWA (talk) 22:34, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by Interrexconsul

The editor Knight of BAAWA has continuously fought for the inclusion of "Anarcho-Capitalism" on the template for the side bar for Anarchism, specifically under the "Schools of Thought" section. However, the vast preponderance of scholars contend that, despite the name, anarcho-capitalism is not a form of anarchism. The greatest objections most scholars have to it being considered anarchism is the fact that it not only condones, but encourages the concept of private property, which one of anarchism's central tenets is to oppose. The key issue at hand is that of all groups of people, there is only one informed group that would define anarcho-capitalism as an anarchist school of thought, that is its own adherents (which Knight of BAAWA has clearly show he/she is one, frequently calling all who disagree "haters"). Every other reputable source that has more than a passing knowledge of anarchism, both adherents and independent scholars, instead label it as being a type of libertarianism. I would contend that the relationship between Anarcho-Capitalism and Anarchism is the same as that of National Socialism and Socialism. While they both share perhaps a vague concept of the role of government (Ancaps and anarchists saying none, National Socialists and Socialists saying centralized), the only other similarity is in the name, and in fact once examined at any depth they are revealed to be in fact very very different indeed. So, I would propose that Anarcho-Capitalism not be included as a school of thought of anarchism. However, I do believe the debate as to its nature is relevant and can be included in the sidebar under “issues”. Interrexconsul (talk) 04:42, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by Eduen

Basically most of the general sources on anarchism do not include this strange combination of words called "anarcho-capitalism" as a form of anarchism and as a matter of fact don´t even mention it. The few works that mention it tend to say that it is a part of right wing politics and radical economic liberalism and, as such, contrary to one of the main characteristics of anarchism which has always been and continues to be, anti-capitalism. Even though we have different editors who remove that thing from this template, as can be seen by anyone in the page of edits of the talk section, user Knight of BAAWA keeps bringing it back and it is a sort of personal crusade of his to do this. This happens even though everyone tells him more or less the same thing. Mainly that anarcho-capitalism is not included in general sources as part of anarchism and that it is such a minoritarian position historically and geographically that it does not deserve inclusion within "anarchists schools of thought" even thogh that does not mean that the wikipedia article "anarchocapitalism" should be deleted. I don´t think it should be deleted since it does have a significant literature but mainly one located very clearly within US economic liberal and right wing problematics and agendas. As such political agendas historically considered by anarchism as enemies to fight againts even to the point of resorting to high levels of violence as this very anti-capitalist large anarchist political action shows.--Eduen (talk) 06:54, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by N-HH

Per Eduen and Interrexconsul. There's a clear dispute about classifying Anarcho-capitalism (and similarly National Anarchism) as a form of anarchism in authoritative sources, and even among anarcho-capitalist writers themselves, and hence WP should not classify it that way definitively, while nonetheless acknowledging the connection. It's quite a simple problem in that respect, but the debate is being made additionally difficult by one editor repeatedly insisting it has to be simply and definitively classified that way regardless, merely on their say-so, and constantly berating anyone who questions that on an objective basis as a "hater". Even compromise proposals are simply vetoed and any changes edit-warred out. N-HH talk/edits 07:06, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by FreeKnowledgeCreator

I have nothing to say, except that my involvement in this issue has been minimal, and that I reserve the right to have little to nothing to do with it in future. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 09:10, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

To clarify, while I stand by the comments I have made on this issue in the past, I do not see myself participating any further in the dispute. I do not wish to be part of the dispute resolution process. FreeKnowledgeCreator (talk) 01:38, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by Malik Shabazz

I'd like to ask, "Who are these people?" With the exception of Eduen and Knight of BAAWA, each of whom is a long-term editor of this template, neither the filer nor any of the other "users involved" ever edited the template or its talk page before this week. So maybe somebody ought to ask what's really going on here. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 21:11, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

With all due respect, Esquivalience, I don't know how you concluded I've "shown apathy regarding this dispute." Unlike the johnny-come-latelies who showed up this week to try to tear down this template, I've been editing it and protecting it from vandals since 2013. I think if the template can include black anarchism ("a loose term sometimes (and only recently) applied in the United States to group together a number of people of African descent (mainly from a Black Panther Party background) who identify with anarchism") and infoanarchism ("coined in a TIME Magazine article called 'The Infoanarchist' in July 2000") as anarchist "schools of thought", it ought to include anarchocapitalism as well. Nothing apathetic about my edit history at the template or anything I've written about it. If this charade is going to proceed, I'd like to continue to be part of it. — Malik Shabazz ^Talk/_Stalk 02:52, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

I apologize for my semi-blind inference (the wording of your initial comment seemed like you did not want to participate further), but now all parties have made statements and have no objections to dispute resolution (except FreeKnowledgeCreator, who has explicitly stated that he does not want to participate), so it may commence. Esquivalience ^t 02:57, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

Personally i do not have any problem with taking out inforanarchism also from "schools of thought". Black anarchism has more of a line of wirtten work, intelectuals engaged with it and actual practice. On the other hand "infoanarchism" seems to me is a vague concept with few theoretical development. It could very well only be included in "concepts"--Eduen (talk) 20:02, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

This user for one is not a "johnny come lately" thanks, but has edited on politics topics for around nine years. I started an RFC a while back on this very issue, on the Anarcho-capitalism page itself (which concluded broadly in favour of our position). If the arguments against removal are simply ad hom attacks like that and insinuations about motive, plus "we can't remove this from the schools of thought, as otherwise we might have to remove other things too", it's all a bit weak. Anarcho-capitalism needs to be considered on its own merits. And if others currently included should also not be there, per the authoritative literature on anarchism, they should indeed come out too. Otherwise we are just saying WP should keep misleading information otherwise we'd have to look at removing even more, which is an odd way to go about creating an encyclopedia. N-HH talk/edits 09:25, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Template:Anarchism sidebar discussion

•  Volunteer note: I will be opening this case for moderated discussion once and if all the parties show willingness to participate. Participation is encouraged. Calm, civil discourse, without personal attacks, is required. All parties are urged to refrain from edit warring or performing any editing of the sidebar while it is still under this dispute. Esquivalience ^t 11:38, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
•  Volunteer note: FreeKnowledgeCreator's participation in this dispute was minimal, so I do not believe that he should be listed as a party. Esquivalience ^t 20:11, 14 April 2016 (UTC)
•  Volunteer note: In addition, Malik Shabazz has only contributed to the discussion a few times, and thus should not have been listed as a party unless they wish to participate further in discussion. He/she has also shown apathy regarding this dispute.

It appears that all of the involved parties have made statements. But some roll call first: FreeKnowledgeCreator and Malik Shabazz (who appear to have only made a few comments), do you two wish to participate in dispute resolution, discuss further on the talk page, or exit the dispute altogether? Esquivalience ^t 01:33, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

• Y Commencing: FreeKnowledgeCreator has withdrawn from the dispute altogether, and Malik Shabazz has shown an explicit willingness to continue participation, so dispute resolution may commence. I will post an opening statement in no more than 24 hours once I have looked into this issue in more detail and its surrounding context. Esquivalience ^t 03:01, 15 April 2016 (UTC)

First statement by volunteer

I have read the discussion and surrounding context. It appears that this dispute and discussion boils down to whether placing anarcho-capitalism as a school of thought in the infobox represents due weight or undue weight and whether anarcho-capitalism is an anarchic viewpoint at all, according to the general scholarship.

I believe that a closer examination at the outside viewpoints relating to these issues may help in formulating a solution. Can the parties present specific, prominent sources which either discuss or convey a viewpoint on anarcho-capitalism and its relation to anarchism? Esquivalience ^t 01:44, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Not sure where you want this, and you may have picked up on these already, but as a starter this talk page edit of mine has a couple. There's a specific section on the main Anarcho-capitalism page on the relationship (indeed there's a whole separate page too, although I am not familiar with it and I suspect it's probably a bit OTT and hence AFD-able). Obviously one should treat the section as warily as any other WP content in terms of accuracy/balance, but there are links to outside sources there specifically addressing the point. N-HH talk/edits 09:34, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Regarding due weight, my argument is that "Anarcho-capitalism" is an unorthodox new idea with no historical presence to speak of. In contrast, several Anarchist tendencies such as Anarcho-Syndicalism have had a relatively enormous presence in history and the real world over the course of the past 150 years and through the present day, from the First International to the Russian and Spanish Civil Wars to the recent Occupy movement. Further, Anarchist philosophers such as Noam Chomsky (who is, as perhaps the top expert of Anarchist theory in the world today, of the opinion that "Anarcho-capitalism" is not a form of Anarchism) and Emma Goldman are nearly household names and are widely referenced outside of specifically Anarchist circles. In contrast, "Anarcho-capitalism" has had no historical presence beyond theory and today exists almost entirely on the Internet, with no prominent adherents who are referenced outside this topic. To feature it so prominently would be comparable to featuring an extremely obscure branch of Christianity such as Branch Davidianism at the top of the Christianity sidebar, or String Theory on the Quantum Mechanics sidebar. Because of its lack of real-world presence, and its disagreement with fundamental principles shared by Anarchists such as opposition to private property in the capitalist sense (note that Mutualism is somewhere between tolerated and accepted, due to its history and compatibility with Anarchist concepts of property), I argue that "Anarcho-capitalism" is more appropriately placed in the "Issues" section, where it already can be found. For similar reasons, I also think that the Naturist, Vegan, Black, Existentialist, and Infoanarchist entries are not worthy of a place in the "Schools of Thought" section, although these have received relatively little discussion. 24.197.253.43 (talk) 20:08, 16 April 2016 (UTC)

Also regarding due weight, given the fact that it is mentioned in sources outside of anarchocapitalism itself (such as the Blackwell Dictionary of Modern Social Thought) of the anarchism and anarchocapitalism pages as a school of anarchism, it belongs in the schools. Otherwise, we find once again that the catholics would try to edit out the protestants and vice-versa for the christianity article or template. Simply because something is not as old as other schools does not make it any less of a school. Otherwise, jws, mormons, and charismatics (the last having only been around since 1967!) shouldn't even be in the denominations category for the christianity template. The upshot is that this resolution will have consequences FAR beyond this one template. - Knight of BAAWA (talk) 21:43, 17 April 2016 (UTC)

Again, you are misrepresenting what I'm saying. I'm not arguing legitimacy or fact, but notability and weight. By any measure, "Anarcho-capitalism" is a speck compared to mainstream Anarchist thought, history, and activity. 24.197.253.43 (talk) 23:47, 18 April 2016 (UTC)

So too then is the charismatic denomination for christianity. Internecine conflicts never end well. And I correctly represented what you are saying. - Knight of BAAWA (talk) 22:51, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

•  Volunteer note: Pinging Eduen, Malik Shabazz, and Interrexconsul to see if they have any more comments regarding this issue (aside from their summary of dispute). Esquivalience ^t 00:45, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

I don't believe I have any more to add to this that hasn't already been said in one way or another. I continue to believe that Anarcho-Capitalism is not in fact a "school of thought" of Anarchism, and that it shouldn't be included as such in the sidebar, yet I do believe that it, and the controversy surrounding it may be of interest to someone reading about anarchism, thus I believe it should be under the "issues" section. Interrexconsul (talk) 01:35, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

I think i have stated my main points already regarding "anarchocapitalism". I see it alongside some reliable sources, as belonging to right wing politics and economic liberalism/neoliberalism. It is mainly a radical, perhaps extreme, form of neoliberalism which only has in common with anarchism its anti-statism. So called anarchocapitalists exist in real life politics mostly just in the US besides conservatives and neoliberal politicans and activists and sometimes it is hard to see if they do anything at all besides writing books on economics and commenting things on internet forums. Yet anarchism also has anti-parlamentarism in common with fascism, anti-capitalism in common with maoism, and "progressive values" in common with social democracy. Nevertheless we can clearly say that anarchism retains its specific character besides all of those positions with which it might have one superficial point in common yet too many differences to as to constitute something very different. This is no different with the particular ideologies of economic liberalism and neoliberalism, or as these as known in the US "Libertarianism".--Eduen (talk) 05:12, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

Thus we see the hate, viz. the scarce-quotes and the use of "so called". Again: this is all because of some people who want to edit in bad faith. They desire not to improve, but to exclude and push their narrow POV which involves hatred of those who do not believe as they do. - Knight of BAAWA (talk) 22:51, 20 April 2016 (UTC)

I would like to note that throughout this entire process, before and during dispute resolution, Knight of BAAWA has persisted in assuming bad faith in anyone who disagrees with them. Interrexconsul (talk) 18:01, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

Oh, I assume good faith until it's clearly shown otherwise, such as calling the inclusion of anarchocapitalism as "vandalism". Surely, you can't expect people to believe that such a person would edit in good faith! That stretches the bounds of believability! - Knight of BAAWA (talk) 23:58, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

• Non-moderating volunteer note - Comment on content, not contributors. Robert McClenon (talk) 18:05, 22 April 2016 (UTC)

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Summary of dispute by David J Johnson

I have no further comments - apart from what I said several days ago. David J Johnson (talk) 16:12, 14 April 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Battle of_Ia_Drang#ARVN_involvement (2) discussion

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Summary of dispute by Rusted AutoParts

Unwilling to provide viable proof the IP sourced the DOD that these publications ran with. Insists Legacy recycled NYDN's article, was unwilling to prove this. His entire argument is based on assumptions and that doesn't fly here. Rusted AutoParts 05:21, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Riley Martin discussion

• Volunteer note - There has been sufficient discussion at the article talk page. However, the filing party has not notified the other party of this request. It is the responsibility of the filing party to notify the other party. This case is now waiting for notice to the other party and for agreement by the other party to participate in discussion here (since discussion here is encouraged but voluntary). Robert McClenon (talk) 03:14, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

It's fine, I found it on my own. Rusted AutoParts 05:23, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

• Volunteer CommentWhat about saying "His date of death is currently believed to be December 22"? This doesn't confirm or deny anything. ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 20:15, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

The date of death is known to have been "a few days before Christmas", so I think a date of December 2015 is probably sufficient. As Legacy.com simply aggregates info from newspapers, it's not a reliable source, and the newspaper(s) actually publishing the info should be used as a source. The New York Daily News has two dates on its website - the one published on Jan 6th says "Dec. 22" (that's the one that appeared 21 hours after the Wikipedia anon IP entry appeared) and the one published Feb. 1 says "early January", so I don't see how NYDN can be seen as reliable in this case. No other trusted newspapers published a date. On the Howard Stern Show, the "few days before Christmas" was stated, and that's the phrase that appears in the link that the NYDN links to in the first article. Basically there's so much doubt surrounding the date of death that I don't even think "date of death is currently believed to be December 22" would be accurate. Better to leave it as December 2015. Rockypedia (talk) 13:25, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

• Volunteer Comment I think "Believed to be December 2015" would work. User:Rusted AutoParts, any input? ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 15:06, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

I honestly do not care anymore. Rusted AutoParts 19:26, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Okay, So, let's close this. Is that okay with everyone? @User:Rusted AutoParts User:Rockypedia User:Robert McClenon ThePlatypusofDoom (talk) 21:22, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

I will close this case if the filing party agrees to close it. Robert McClenon (talk) 21:55, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Does closing it mean we've agreed to leave it as is? Rockypedia (talk) 16:49, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

It can be closed as resolved if there is agreement. Is there agreement? If there is disagreement, then moderated discussion can be requested again. Is there agreement? Robert McClenon (talk) 18:03, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

I agree that what's currently in place should be left. Rockypedia (talk) 20:26, 28 April 2016 (UTC)

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Summary of dispute by Kiraroshi1976

The episode has not aired on television. The article does not include online viewing. It only states Fox, ITV, and Global. It has not even aired on Fox or Global yet. I realize that there could be online versions of an episode, but that should be covered in the Broadcast section once the episode airs. There is no official online network for the series. If there was, I would not have an issue.- Kiraroshi1976 (talk) 04:46, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by User: 86.160.202.23

Talk:Houdini and_Doyle discussion

• Volunteer note - There has been adequate discussion at the article talk page. However, the filing party has not notified the other editor. The filing party is required to notify the other editor. I strongly advise the filing party to create an account. It is difficult to engage in dispute resolution from an IP address, especially since IP addresses shift. I am neither accepting nor declining this case, but am waiting for notice to the other editor and for a statement by the other editor. Robert McClenon (talk) 00:40, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

Which other editor? Kiraroroshi1976 is aware that I have opened a dispute - do I need to direct him/her to this specific page? I had assumed that the discussion would take place on the entry's talk page, which is why I not bothered to direct him here. However, assuming that you want him directed here, I will do so. As for engaging in a dispute resolution with an IP address, I don't see why that should be a problem. I have no desire whatsoever to create an account, and no need to do so in order to make a case. 86.160.202.23 (talk) 03:13, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

• Another volunteer note: I've given the required notice to Kiraroroshi1976. If s/he chooses to join in — participation in moderated content dispute resolution is not mandatory — and if a volunteer chooses to moderate the case, the discussion will take place here, not on the talk page. Regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 04:41, 25 April 2016 (UTC) (current DRN coordinator)

::To respond to each of the points made above: "The episode has not aired on television." But the episode has aired, so not airing on TV is irrelevent. Other shows air online first and then sometimes, but not always, on TV - Ripper Street would be a prime example. Wikipedia does not wait until the terrestrial airing of the show before including plot summaries.(talk) 00:27, 27 April 2016 (UTC)

Summary of dispute by Jobas

Accroding to pew study page 70: The number of Muslims around the world is projected to increase rapidly in the decades ahead, growing from about 1.6 billion in 2010 to nearly 2.8 billion in 2050. Muslims are expected to grow twice as fast as the overall global population. Consequently, Muslims are projected to rise from 23% of the world’s population in 2010 to 30% in 2050.41 This significant projected growth is largely due to the young age and high fertility rate of Muslims relative to other religious groups. No mention here for the other factors.

The study Pew Global muslim population study do show the factors of population growth (including Muslims) that you pushing in the article, These are factors of Muslim population growth, But the study do not mention or cliam that these are all the factors why Muslim population is growing faster than non muslims. While in the user here adding these factors as the reasons why Muslim population is expected to grow at a faster rate than the non-Muslim population, Which wrong since the study do not cited that.--Jobas (talk) 17:14, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Growth of_religion#Pew discussion

Yes, this DRN can be closed as we have reached a consensus. Bolialia (talk) 18:58, 5 May 2016 (UTC)

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Summary of dispute by Mutt Lunker

Talk:Steel-cut oats#discussion_on_groat discussion

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Summary of dispute by LL212W

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User talk:ThatPerson903&action=edit&section=3 discussion

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Summary of dispute by Jytdog

American Board_of_Criminal_Lawyers discussion

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Summary of dispute by DESiegel

Summary of dispute by JimMarlor

Let's include both sides of the story. A rigorous newspaper article should be at least as weighty as a caption from a photo site or a claim from a local cruise operator.

Summary of dispute by AussieLegend

JimMarlor has grossly misrepresented the duration of this matter. In November 2013 Wikitout began disruptively editing Stockton Beach. He was subsequently indef-blocked but resorted to serial sockpuppetry in order to continue disrupting Wikipedia. After he was blocked he approached an editor at a local newspaper that resulted in an opinion piece sourced to a blocked editor and the owner of a self acknowledged fansite, neither of which are reliable sources. An editor subsequently tried to use the puff piece as a source for a claim that filming did not occur. It was added and removed once in January 2014 and discussed over a period of less than 3 hours. Then there was nothing more until yesterday when a series of related IPs tried to use the unreliable opinion piece and the fansite as references to oppose the claims in the article. DESiegel isn't even involved in the current discussion and hasn't edited the article or talk page since January 2014. JimMarlor's attempt to involve him appears to be canvassing. Using IPs, JimMarlor has posted on the article's talk page as 3 different people, "Blake", "Jim" and "John Page". He has indicated that he is willing to edit-war, and that he has created at least 20 accounts with which to do so. Accordingly, I have opened an SPI report that may be seen here. My summary of the current dispute is that Blake/Jim/John Page/JimMarlor is unwilling to accept that NSW state parliament Hansard, and a news article from The Newcastle Herald, are reliable sources, while claiming that a poorly sourced opinion piece (which was most definitely not "investigative journalism"!) and a fansite are acceptable sources. JimMarlor relies far too much on unreliable sources. For example, the "local historian" that he mentions above was Wikitout. One of his most ridiculous claims was that a wind turbine on Kooragang Island had been removed in 2013. This is a photo of the wind turbine that I took on 17 February 2014 on Kooragang Island, 2.5 months after Wikitout had said it had been removed with the edit summary, "Look out the window dopey". --AussieLegend (✉) 12:57, 6 May 2016 (UTC)

Talk:Stockton Beach discussion

• Volunteer note - The purpose of this noticeboard is to resolve content disputes. It does not resolve conduct disputes, and the ability to resolve content disputes in a civil manner depends on the ability of the parties to comment on content, not contributors, and to be civil and concise, and to avoid introducing conduct issues. Allegations of sockpuppetry should be reported at sock-puppet investigations. I am neither accepting nor declining this case at this time, but am recommending that it be declined because it appears to be impossible to separate content issues from conduct issues including sockpuppetry. Robert McClenon (talk) 03:18, 7 May 2016 (UTC)

• Note that JimMarlor has been blocked as a sockpuppet of Wikitout. --AussieLegend (✉) 12:16, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

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Summary of dispute by Arjayay

Aly Saad is not an encyclopedia article, but a resume/CV, The IPs preferred version here comprises a one line lead, followed by long lists of "Awards", "Memberships", "International World Wide Research Programs" and "Publications and researches"

I have tried to explain to the IP (several different IP addresses, all in Italy, mostly SPAs), that we do not allow Resumes/CVs as in this diff where I asked them to see Wikipedia:What Wikipedia is not and Wikipedia:Wikipedia is not the place to post your résumé. I also asked them not to re-add the "Publications and researches" and to remove, or integrate into prose, the lists of "Awards", etc.

The IPs response, as in this diff was:-

"biased removal of data COI, please check Ahmed_Zewail, Albert Eisntein, and many others, and stop vandalizing the article as a the CV of the professor is way bigger than this."

I am unclear why I have been accused of COI, as I have simply tried to enforce the guidelines, whereas the IP appears to have the COI in promoting Aly Saad
We know Other stuff existsis not an acceptable argument.
The IP appears to be accepting that this is a CV, albeit not his full CV.

Unfortunately, there are several people called Dr Aly Saad, and/or Professor Aly Saad, making it difficult to draw a quick conclusion as to how notable this particular man is, and there are no Independent, reliable sources cited - only one reference to his university website (In Arabic, which I do not understand) and long lists of papers. The article needs a prose description of who he is, and what he has done, supported by independent reliable citations, to ensure he meets Wikipedia:Notability (academics) and the removal of the promotional, CV-style, lists - Arjayay (talk) 09:58, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

Aly Saad discussion

• Volunteer Note I don't think there has been enough discussion on talk pages for dispute resolution. ThePlatypusofDoom (Talk) 15:26, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

• it is obvious that this is not a "Resume`"
• the obvious word "Some" , found before publications, shows that this is not a full list
• "other stuff exists" is not applicable because it is not not one or two exceptions, having a publications section is normal to be found in any biography article, reflecting the interests of this particular person and what they have added to the science, "In Wikipedia discussions, editors point to similarities across the project as reasons to keep, delete, or create a particular type of content, article or policy. These "other stuff exists arguments can be valid or invalid." " ^[1]
• if the European Heart Journal/Oxford University Press is not a reliable reference, then what is for you ? (A Scientific journal does not necessarily post pictures of authors or scientists inside their articles)
• obviously you are not a specialized person and do not understand that these are not just normal or randomly selected publications but rather full studies of the human heart.
• it is normal that a biography contains bits of information mentioned in the CV of the same person and vice-versa ....
• if you delete data from this article because it is not fit "fro your own point of view" , then you better go modify all other articles i have mentioned, you will find hundreds, and even then, you will not be able to, which simply shows, that you have COI with the other articles, and not this one.

Reply

I remain unclear why I have been accused of COI, unless this is to draw attention away from the the IPs own COI, but have no further comment - Arjayay (talk) 13:50, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

If there are many many articles having the same or a similar structure of the involved article, and you tend to ignore them all, this is being biased and shows you have a COI for all the other articles(you might like Albert Einstein or Ahmed Zewail that you are willing to ignore their page structure even if you think it is against the Wikipedia's Policies), in other words, you are misusing your editing tools, or maybe all the other article editors are wrong and you are the right one (yet again, the list is so long for all those editors and administrators to be wrong) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 193.205.6.111 (talk) 14:07, 9 May 2016 (UTC)

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