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Diaspora Revolt


Nominator(s): Mariamnei (talk) 12:57, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

This article covers the second Jewish revolt against the Roman Empire, which took place during the reign of Trajan. Unlike the first and third revolts, which were centered in Judaea, this conflict was largely carried out by Jewish diaspora communities in Egypt, Cyprus and Libya.

This is my second FA nomination; my first, First Jewish–Roman War, passed recently, on New Year's Eve. This present article reached GA status in October 2024 following a review by @Jens Lallensack:, who encouraged me to take it to FAC. Shortly thereafter, @UndercoverClassicist: gave me helpful suggestions to improve the article before a FAC run, all of which I have since addressed. I look forward to the review process and hope this nomination will be successful. Mariamnei (talk) 12:57, 29 January 2026 (UTC)

Image review

  • Don't use fixed px size
  • Suggest adding alt text
  • File:Francesco_Hayez_018.jpg needs a US tag for the artwork

Also I noticed in passing that some of the reflinks are broken - suggest fixing before someone does a source review. Nikkimaria (talk) 02:37, 30 January 2026 (UTC)

@Nikkimaria All done now! I removed the px size from the lead image, added a PD-US tag for the Hayez painting, added alt text to all images, and fixed the reflinks (one source was missing from the bibliography, and another had 2008 in the sfn instead of 2006, as the bibliography uses correctly). Thanks. Mariamnei (talk) 09:17, 1 February 2026 (UTC)
@Nikkimaria, I've just added two more images to the article. Would you mind taking a look to make sure everything's okay? Thanks! Mariamnei (talk) 11:11, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
Italy doesn't have freedom of panorama, so File:Colonne_trajane_1-50_rec.jpg will need a tag for the original work. Also I don't see that any changes have been made to the Hayez painting? Nikkimaria (talk) 00:04, 5 February 2026 (UTC)
@Nikkimaria, could you clarify how I can tell whether I should add the original work tag myself, or if this is something that needs to be handled differently? I'm happy to fix it (or find another image if necessary), I just want to make sure I'm doing it correctly.
I'm also not sure why the Hayez painting is mentioned here, perhaps there's been a mix-up with another article (the First Jewish–Roman War or the Siege of Jerusalem, both use the painting)? The other image I added to this article is from Alexandria, Egypt. Thank you! Mariamnei (talk) 13:54, 8 February 2026 (UTC)
The Hayez painting I reference is included in {{First Jewish–Roman War}} at the bottom of this article. You should be able to add tags yourself. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:56, 8 February 2026 (UTC)
Okay, I've added two tags. This is a plaster copy of an artwork from the 2nd century, hope that clears things up. Please let me know if I got that wrong or if there's anything else. Mariamnei (talk) 10:13, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

ErnestKrause

Its a fairly nicely written article in general with interesting attention to details. Some comments to get things started:

(1) Marcius Turbo, is linked in the lede, however, the first mention of his name in the main body is not linked; add the link and full name on first instance in main body.

(2) Marcius Turbo, was designated by Trajan, however, I'm not sure I'm reading enough about the Roman Empire as a whole during the Diaspora Revolt. Rome was under one of its finest and most competent Emperors, and it might be nice to see a little more about how important/unimportant the Revolt actually was upon the Empire as a whole. The section about "Impact on Trajan's Parthian campaign" is nice but very short.

(3) Again Trajan, is there any depiction in whole or in part on Trajan's column of the Revolt? It would be nice to gauge the significance of this event when surrounded by all the other historical realities which the Empire was facing at the time of the Revolt; was it relatively minor as perceived at the time, or was it a major issue for Trajan and Turbo.

It's quite difficult to say much about what Trajan and Turbo themselves thought beyond speculation. I haven't found any sources that mention their views on the matter, unlike for some other episodes at Rome's height. Josephus, for example, does comment on what Vespasian and Titus thought at various stages of their suppression of the Jewish revolt of 66–73. Trajan's Column was erected in 113 CE, two years before the Diaspora Revolt erupted, so it was already too late for the revolt to feature there. That said, I do mention a theory proposed by Martin Goodman (historian) in the section discussing the connection between the Diaspora Revolt and the Bar Kokhba revolt of 132–136 CE. Goodman suggests that Hadrian, who succeeded Trajan, was affected by the consequences of the Diaspora Revolt and by the need to rebuild areas in Cyrenaica destroyed by the rebelling Jews. He argues that this experience may have led Hadrian to conclude that Jewish rebelliousness had to be resolved decisively; hence what Goodman terms a "final solution": According to Goodman, Hadrian—an activist emperor who preferred to impose reforms rather than merely react to crises—was acutely aware of the disastrous consequences of the Diaspora Revolt, as indicated by his post-revolt construction projects in Cyrenaica. Goodman argues that Hadrian's decision to refound Jerusalem as Aelia Capitolina was intended as a "final solution for Jewish rebelliousness": by permanently transforming the Jewish holy city into a Roman colonia modeled on the imperial capital, Hadrian aimed to prevent future Jewish uprisings. Even here, however, this remains pretty much mostly interpretive: the sources themselves do not explicitly state Hadrian's motivation in establishing Aelia Capitolina on Jerusalem's ruin; Goodman seems to search a way to explain what remains unclear - what exactly led Hadrian to establish a pagan colony on the ruins of Judaism's holiest city. Mariamnei (talk) 16:07, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

(4) Although Trajan in mentioned in Gibbon, there appears to be no mention of the Revolt. Is this a weakness in Gibbon's historical sources, or some other issue which keeps Gibbon from addressing the Revolt.

  • From what I've seen, there is not much about Trajan's reign in Gibbon's work. He seems to have summed up his term as emperor in just three paragraphs. Beyond that he is mentioned often, but very briefly, at least in the first volume of the series, together with other emperors such as the Antonines, or in relation to his architectural achievements. After all, Gibbon's work is named The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, and in Trajan's time the decline and fall of the empire was yet to become a reality (quite the opposite, as you mention above, the empire was at its peak), so perhaps this is not why the work does not describe this period in detail. Mariamnei (talk) 15:54, 2 February 2026 (UTC)
I did eventually find a passing reference to the Diaspora Revolt in the work, though not in the section dealing with Trajan's reign, but in chapter XVI, in a more general discussion of Jewish uprisings against Rome: From the reign of Nero to that of Antoninus Pius, the Jews discovered a fierce impatience of the dominion of Rome, which repeatedly broke out in the most furious massacres and insurrections. Humanity is shocked at the recital of the horrid cruelties which they committed in the cities of Egypt, of Cyprus, and of Cyrene, where they dwelt in treacherous friendship with the unsuspecting natives; and we are tempted to applaud the severe retaliation which was exercised by the arms of the legions against a race of fanatics, whose dire and credulous superstition seemed to render them the implacable enemies not only of the Roman government, but of human kind. (https://www.ccel.org/ccel/g/gibbon/decline/cache/decline.pdf, p. 516). Mariamnei (talk) 16:12, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

(5) The term 'Trajanic revolt' which you mention in your lede does not appear in the Wikipedia article for Trajan; if it is a minor term, then does it belong in the lede. Other than your footnote 'b', there does not appear with a single reference to it in the main body.

  • I was thinking about dropping it altogether. I added it after coming across it for the first time, but it doesn't seem to be used by other sources. What do you think? Mariamnei (talk) 15:54, 2 February 2026 (UTC)
  • One thought would be to drop it in the lede, and move the footnote you use in the lede for it to your footnote 'b' as perhaps somewhat relevant there for readers of details. ErnestKrause (talk) 23:39, 2 February 2026 (UTC)

(6) 'Influence on Jewish thought' is a section towards the end of your article; it seems to have to somewhat long blockquotes which I'm not sure needs to be that long. Also, Trajan and the Christian martyrs is a theme often taken up in the literature, but its not mentioned in this article. Is the assertion that Christians were or were not parts of the Jewish diaspora at that time. Your comment on Eusebius appears to state: 'Eusebius adopts a more neutral tone.[16] Nonetheless, his portrayal of the revolt is framed within his broader theological argument that Jewish suffering was a consequence of their rejection of Christ, a theme common in early Christian references to the Jewish–Roman wars.' I'm not sure what this means; is the article implying that there were no Jewish-heritage Christians in the Jewish diaspora?

  • Could you make some comment here pro or contra? ErnestKrause (talk) 23:39, 2 February 2026 (UTC)
@ErnestKrause:
  • On the block quotes: I'm a bit hesitant to trim them. Since these are short stories, cutting them down risks losing details that are important for understanding the legend. That said, if they feel too heavy for the main flow of the article, we could consider formatting them as quote boxes instead. That would let readers choose whether to engage with the full text without interrupting the prose, similar to how it's handled here. What do you think?
  • On Christians and the diaspora: I'm not aware of any ancient or modern sources that mention the participation of Christian Jews in the Diaspora Revolt. By the early 2nd century CE, most Christians appear to have been of non-Jewish background, so even if a Christian community existed in Egypt at the time, that does not necessarily imply that they were Jews, and that they would have seen the revolt as something relevant to it. The possibility that Jewish Christians were involved is possible but would probably be largely speculative. (By contrast, by the way, we do have explicit testimony for the later Bar Kokhba revolt: both Justin Martyr and Eusebius state that Christian Jews were tortured/killed by Simeon Bar Kokhba for refusing to participate in the uprising. Perhaps from this we can deduce that they wouldn't have participated in the Diaspora Revolt either).
  • When Eusebius and the other Church Fathers explain Jewish suffering as a consequence of the killing of Christ, it makes clear that in their eyes, "Jews" and "Christians" were distinct categories (though it does not preclude the continued existence of individuals or groups with overlapping Jewish and Christian identities, which probably persisted as a small minority). By the way, a similar theology already appears more than a century earlier in the writings of Justin Martyr, who lived in the mid-2th century CE, not long after the events in question (I don't mention him in the article because he addresses the First Jewish Revolt and the Bar Kokhba revolt rather than the Diaspora Revolt). In Dialogue with Trypho he presents Jewish circumcision not merely as obsolete but as a sign of divine punishment, arguing that it was instituted so that Jews would "suffer that which you now justly suffer". For him, the Jewish defeat in the Jewish–Roman wars brought the covenant between God and the Jewish people to an end. So again we can see the strong differentiation. Mariamnei (talk) 12:16, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

Some comments to get things started. ErnestKrause (talk) 17:52, 1 February 2026 (UTC)

  • Your extended comments on 3 and 4 above are fairly good; will any of that get into the article? Maybe expand slightly on your short 'Trajan's Impact' section? ErnestKrause (talk) 23:39, 2 February 2026 (UTC)
    I don’t know about the passages from Gibbon; I’m not sure they add anything beyond providing further examples of a view that treats Dio's descriptions of extreme violence by the rebels as historically correct, in contrast to more recent scholarship, which tends to see these accounts as exaggerated. As for the impact on the Roman Empire, I'll see if I can add anything beyond what's already there, perhaps drawing on scholarly biographies of Trajan and his era. Mariamnei (talk) 13:49, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
Part II assessment comments

(1') Your comments on Hadrian above are quite good and reflect your comments about him elsewhere in the Aftermath section of the article. The dating you present for rise of Hadrian and death of Trajan should come sooner in the Aftermath section (c.117AD) since there is quite a bit being said about Hadrian rather than Trajan. It might be nice to see Hadrian mentioned in the lede concerning all of this useful discussion in the Aftermath section.

(2') The main article which draws my attention on Wikipedia here is Christianity in the 1st century which covers quite a bit about comparative ethnic and religious origins. Paul and Barnabas are Jewish and speaking primarily to Jewish audiences; later Paul does take up the issue of Gentile circumcision with mixed effects. Is Eusebius the best source here, since his time frame seems much closer to Constantine and the conversion of the Empire than to the Diaspora Revolt. Possibly you could see if the relevant topics as discussed in the 1t century article I just linked is on point or not; I mean it actually comes to about a decade away from the Revolt itself and is chronologically quite close.

(3') Also, there are many second century references in Christianity in the ante-Nicene period about Judeo-Christian ties.

(4') You are correct to point out the relevance of Bar Kokhba as being almost at the same time period and sharing much of the same historical perspective. I'm not sure that Justin Martyr is definitive here on this issue, as the Ante-Nicene Fathers before Constantinople disagreed on multiple issues. Did any contemporary voice among the Ante-Nicene Fathers speak with authority about the Judaic roots of Christianity.

Interesting comments from your viewpoint in your other responses; the Hadrian material in the Aftermath section might be given more prominence in that section as shedding added light on this Revolt and its consequences. ErnestKrause (talk) 17:15, 4 February 2026 (UTC)

(1') I've added a mention of Hadrian to the lead and brought his rise forward in the discussion of the aftermath.
(2–4') Following on your comments, I spent some time doing some additional research on how the Diaspora Revolt may have affected Christianity, and came across a few relevant sources. You're welcome to review that edit in the article, which now includes a new section on the possible impact of the revolt on Christians in Egypt: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Diaspora_Revolt&diff=1337272242&oldid=1336732601. To summarize: There is no strong evidence for an established Christian presence in Egypt at the time of the Diaspora Revolt. It is, however, plausible that a Jewish Christian community existed in Alexandria, having received the Gospel from followers of Jesus in Judaea, and that this community was severely affected by the revolt. As for the outcome, I see two somewhat different opinions. One (Mélèze Modrzejewski) argues that the revolt marked an abrupt end to Jewish Christianity in Egypt, which was subsequently replaced by a pagan Christianity. Another (Pearson) suggests that, despite the catastrophe suffered by Jewish Christians, later Egyptian Christianity was nonetheless deeply influenced by the Jewish community largely eliminated in the revolt, through the adoption of texts (such as the Septuagint and the works of Philo of Alexandria), ascetic practices (possibly influenced by the Jewish Therapeutae), and communal structures. Eventually, the mixture of Hellenistic and Jewish thought with indigenous Egyptian culture led to the emergence of what we know as Coptic Christianity. Mariamnei (talk) 14:16, 8 February 2026 (UTC)
Part III assessment comments

The new section you just added is useful and well-written. I'm going to repeat some of the above and add a little since the article appears to be moving in a good direction.

(A) 'Trajanic revolt' in the lede is not used in the article appreciably. If you want to keep it in the lede using your primary source as Eshel, then you might need to elaborate on Eshel's preference for this term. This would justify its presence in the lede which you appear to like.

(B) The Hadrian material is rather well thought out; the impression being instilled is that the Revolt was of more impact to Hadrian than to Trajan, which is likely to be the case.

(C) I'm going to add that in the Wikipedia article for Church fathers that there is quite a bit there about the Alexandrian fathers of the church which included, by the fourth century prominent names such as Clement of Alexandria (150-215AD), Origen, Athanasius, and Cyril of Alexandria. I'm not sure how you are answering the question of where each of them came from if your belief is that either Gentile Christianity or Jewish Christianity had disappeared in Egypt. Where did those church fathers come from if not from remnants of early Christian or Jewish-Christian communities surviving in Egypt?

(D) Asking Wikipedia editors to accept a ten-sentence blockquote towards the end of the article is likely to cause stumbling blocks for you with other editors. I'm just not sure that those big block quotes are doing as much as you may be thinking that they seem to be accomplishing from your viewpoint. Ten sentences of block quotes do not even appear in the Wikipedia Talmud article or similar pages. Other than the Steinsaltz blockquote in the Talmud article (also very long), this type of quoting is not the standard usually used on Wikipedia.

My other concerns seem mostly looked at already. I'll look forward to seeing your comments. ErnestKrause (talk) 16:09, 8 February 2026 (UTC)

Thanks, @ErnestKrause!
(A) I've just removed the term 'Trajanic revolt' from the article. I am pretty convinced by now that a single, passing mention by Eshel doesn't seem strong enough to justify presenting it as an alternative name in the lede. If the term appears again in the literature in a more developed or sustained way, I'd be very happy to revisit this, but at the moment I really can't see a strong reason to keep it.
(B) Agreed. I also feel that the article now gives Hadrian the correct weight.
(C) I don't think there's a contradiction with the Alexandrian Church Fathers. I'll explain: what the article now argues is that the Christian community in Egypt, at that time predominantly Jewish in background and character, was severely affected, and likely largely destroyed, during the Roman suppression of the Diaspora revolt, much like the wider Jewish population. When Christianity becomes more visible in Egypt later in the 2nd century, several decades after the revolt, it appears to be composed primarily of people of non-Jewish background. (Modrzejewski suggests a sharp break, while Pearson allows for the adoption of Alexandrian Jewish traditions and practices by the new Christian movement, but both seem to agree that this later movement was not of Jewish origin). That seems to align well with what we know about the Alexandrian Church Fathers you mention. Clement of Alexandria, the earliest among them, was not a native member of an existing Christian community in Egypt but a convert of pagan background who seems to have arrived in Alexandria from elsewhere (according to another Church Father, Epiphanius of Salamis, he was born in Athens; even if traditions placing his birth in Alexandria are correct, he could still have been of native Greek or indigenous Egyptian background). Origen belongs to the following generation, and his father also appears to have been Greek and of pagan origin (though by this time there could be a larger community of Christians in Egypt of a background similar to Clement's). Athanasius and Cyril are much later, from the 3rd to 5th centuries, centuries after the revolt, so not really relevant to this discussion.
(D) Thanks, that's a fair point. I agree that the block quotes are probably longer than Wikipedia norms. I'll look for a way to shorten the quotations and paraphrase the rest, so the narrative of the legend remains clear without taking up too much space. Mariamnei (talk) 09:40, 9 February 2026 (UTC)
(D): Okay, I may have just figured it out; let me know your thoughts: Mariamnei (talk) 10:32, 9 February 2026 (UTC)
Well that looks quite good. The article is well-written and well-researched; the cite section mostly uses established reliable sources which also look well-researched. Image review is under progress and I'm running out of positive things to say; then it should be a Support from me for the prose. Nice going. ErnestKrause (talk) 16:15, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

FM

  • I missed your FAC about the first war, so I'm happy to see there's more in the series. Some preliminary comments until I return. FunkMonk (talk) 05:11, 2 February 2026 (UTC)
  • That's great to hear! Hopefully there'll be more to come, I am also hoping to nominate the last major Jewish revolt, the Bar Kokhba revolt, sometime after this one (once I get it up to GA status first). Mariamnei (talk) 15:30, 2 February 2026 (UTC)
  • There is a good deal of WP:duplinks by the middle of the article, they can be highlighted with this script:
  • Okay, thanks! I'll see what I can do. I haven't used scripts before. I tried adding it to my commonJS page, but it's throwing an error for me. Mariamnei (talk) 15:30, 2 February 2026 (UTC)
  • That said, there are also a lot of terms that should be linked at first mention in the article body after the intro, some listed below, but perhaps a good idea to give it a thorough look yourself.
  • Link Mesopotamia.
  • Link Parthians.
  • Link Trajan.
  • Link Roman Empire.
  • "to Jews and Judaism in Egypt" Link the article about the history of Jews in Egypt and other places mentioned.
  • "during the "Jewish uprising,"" why quotation marks here and not elsewhere? Also, the comma should come after the quotes.
  • It's a matter of voice. I am not using the term as narrative here, but reproducing how the Roman inscriptions discussed in this sentence refer to the war. Mariamnei (talk) 15:30, 2 February 2026 (UTC)
  • Link Galilee.
  • I assume Great Synagogue of Alexandria can link somewhere.
  • Link Judaea.
  • Link messiah in Judaism.
  • "The principal sources, Cassius Dio and Eusebius" do they have articles to link?
  • "references to the Jewish–Roman wars" is there an overall article about the wars to link?
  • Lknk First Jewish Revolt.
  • Link Josephus.
  • Large passages of the article go without illustrations, might there be more to add?
  • Unfortunately, I haven't found much. An image of ruins from Alexandria might work, though I've been a bit on the fence since I couldn't find anything directly tied to the revolt. Another option would be a relief from Trajan's Column in Rome, dated to 113 (just two years before the revolt) which could at least show Roman soldiers as they would have appeared at the time. The same column also has a relief depicting one of the Roman generals involved in suppressing the Diaspora Revolt, Lusius Quietus, though the entire thing depicts not the Diaspora Revolt but Trajan's Dacian Wars. What do you think? Mariamnei (talk) 15:30, 2 February 2026 (UTC)
I'd say yes to both, I think articles are much more interesting to read when accompanied by anything that sets a visual tone. Not that images should just be decorative, but I think your examples there are relevant to establish context. FunkMonk (talk) 15:59, 3 February 2026 (UTC)
Okay. I added two images. Please feel free to take a look! Mariamnei (talk) 11:07, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
Looks spiffy! FunkMonk (talk) 16:27, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
  • "Replica of a Roman milestone found at Shahhat" name the museum?
  • "The Jewish uprisings erupted almost simultaneously across several eastern provinces of the Roman Empire" do we know how this was coordinated back then? I assume it would take pretty long for word to spread with the means at hand?
  • Unfortunately, that remains very unclear. I've made sure that would be mentioned in the article (under the "Uprisings" chapter): there is no definitive evidence of coordinated action among the diaspora communities in revolt.. We do know that Jewish communities across the Roman and Parthian worlds were in contact during this period, using letters, which in theory could have allowed for coordination around agreed future dates. Rabbinic sources also describe signaling methods, such as chains of bonfires used to announce the New Moon from the Mount of Olives near Jerusalem and all the way to central Iraq (as recorded in the Mishnah, redacted c. 200 CE), which suggests other possible channels of communication. That said, we don't have any direct evidence for what exact type of mechanisms were used in this uprising. Mariamnei (talk) 15:30, 2 February 2026 (UTC)
  • "between Lower and Upper Egypt." link both.
  • Upper Egypt is already linked in the previous sentence. I've added a link to Lower Egypt. Mariamnei (talk) 11:07, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
  • I'm somewhat puzzled by there being a quite long "The "Kitos War" in Judaea" section here, while there is also a Kitos War article. The section here almost indicates that it's uncertain that war even took place, while the other article seems more certain. So if there is another whole article, shouldn't the section about it here be a much shorter summary? Or is there something I'm overlooking about how their scopes overlap?
  • Actually, most scholarship from the past two to three decades treats the Kitos War in Judaea as part of its discussion of the Diaspora Revolt and raises questions about both its scale and its character (and sometimes over its existence). Archaeological evidence securely attributable to the revolt within the borders of Roman Judaea is extremely sparse, especially when compared with the First and Bar Kokhba revolts, which has led some scholars to suggest that, if unrest did occur there in parallel with the diaspora uprisings, it was limited in scope and quickly suppressed, leaving little trace in the archaeological record. I think that the current scope taken in this article to present the current state of knowledge on the events in Judaea is appropriate and in line with the major sources I have read on the revolt, so I wouldn't trim it.
  • By the way, the Kitos War article, by the way, does seem to contain some outdated interpretations of primary sources, along with a few other issues. It might be worth considering a redirect to the relevant section of this article, though there are reasonable arguments on both sides. Mariamnei (talk) 14:31, 8 February 2026 (UTC)
Would it perhaps make sense to merge that article into this one, if it's basically a hypothetical subset of the same conflict? As is, it seems the spin-off article is a WP:content fork that risks accumulating inaccurate information. And the section here is already sizeable, and could perhaps function better as our main coverage of that subject. FunkMonk (talk) 06:39, 9 February 2026 (UTC)
Yeah, I agree. I noticed Hebrew Wikipedia also has two separate articles, one for the Diaspora Revolt and another for the Kitos War, and thought there might be a good reason for it, but after looking more closely at the Kitos War entry there, it's actually comparable in length (or even shorter) than the section on the Kitos War present in this article. Given how the event is treated in the literature as part of the Diaspora Revolt, it would make sense to merge it here. Mariamnei (talk) 10:03, 9 February 2026 (UTC)
Alright, perhaps a merge suggestion should be added to that article once this FAC is over, and perhaps any relevant info found there but not here could already now be transferred here for completeness. FunkMonk (talk) 10:55, 9 February 2026 (UTC)
Moved everything I could preserve from the Kitos War article (except a couple of statements without sources). All done. Mariamnei (talk) 11:32, 9 February 2026 (UTC)
  • "With Hadrian's accession to the throne following Trajan's death in 117 CE" as Trajan's death is described in the preceding paragraphs, I wonder if the bolded part is necessary to repeat.
  • Do we have any estimates of Jewish population numbers at the time? Must have been sizeable considering the impact of these events?
  • I'll see if I can find something. Scholars often caution against using estimates for this period, as they are highly speculative, but I may be able to find something. I'll let you know what I discover. Mariamnei (talk) 16:11, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
  • "Archaeologist Hanan Eshel also points to a rise in nationalistic sentiment" among who, Romans or Jews?
  • Jews. Added to make it clear. Mariamnei (talk) 16:11, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
  • "him to redirect his military focus from a campaign against the Barbarians toward the suppression of the Jews" I assume Parthians are meant here? You mention them later, but a bit unclear now.
  • Yep, these are the Parthians, but the Talmudic source actually uses "Barbarians," so I chose to stick with the original wording. To make it clear that this is a direct quote, I've added quotation marks around the source. Mariamnei (talk) 16:11, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
  • "a non-Jewish movement (so-called "pagan Christianity")" sounds intriguing, anything to link?
  • I don't think there's much to link! it's actually simpler than it sounds. It just refers to Christian communities in the that grew mainly among converts from polytheistic backgrounds (as most Christians were by the 2nd century), rather than Jewish Christians, since the first Christians were of Jewish background. Mariamnei (talk) 16:11, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
  • Anything to link "ascetic Christian" to?
  • "during the visit of Septimius Severus to Egypt" state he was emperor?
  • "argues that the festival involved a ritual re-dramatization of the victory, portraying the Jews as Typhonians (followers of Set-Typhon) and their defeat as the triumph of Horus-Pharaoh" that seems extremely specific, is it based on anything or just speculation? Could be stated either way.
  • The original papyrus simply states that Oxyrhynchus held an annual festival commemorating the defeat, but it does not describe the ritual content or use any mythological language. So that is a reconstruction Frankfurter makes, drawing on other ancient Egyptian sources (including an anti-Jewish prophecy equating Jews with cosmic disorder) and Greco-Roman polemics that identified Jews as worshippers of Seth. Egyptians are known to have re-enacted mythic battles such as Horus vs. Seth. Changed the text to make this clear. Mariamnei (talk) 16:58, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
  • "final years of Trajan's reign." Could state he was emperor for clarity.
  • "including mass killings" doesn't seem to be explicitly stated outside the intro?
  • The body actually covers this, by mentioning the annihilation of communities, description of Turbo's suppression as a campaign of extermination against the population in the affected areas, and Clarysse’s use of "genocide" to describe the suppression, so I believe the use of 'mass killings' is consistent with these points. Mariamnei (talk) 16:34, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
  • "this time that the lesser-known and poorly understood Kitos War unfolded" this assumes it happened, but you also caution that it might not have, so perhaps the wording should be less certain?
  • Fixed. Changed to It was during this period that the lesser-known and poorly understood Kitos War may have occurred in Judaea, apparently involving unrest among the Jewish population in the province. Mariamnei (talk) 16:34, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
  • "Kitos War – a minor revolt in Judaea at the time of the Diaspora revolt" as above.
  • Fixed, changed to Kitos War – a possible episode of Jewish unrest in Judaea during the Diaspora uprisings. Mariamnei (talk) 16:34, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
  • "rebuild the destroyed Jerusalem as a Roman colony" pipelink its name here, as it seems to have an article?
  • "dedicated to Jupiter" only seems to be stated in the intro, which should not have unique info.
  • Added to body too. Sentence now says: Around 130, Hadrian visited Judaea and decided to rebuild Jerusalem as a Roman colony dedicated to Jupiter, naming it Aelia Capitolina. Mariamnei (talk) 16:34, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
  • The article seems to imply that Jews were almost eradicated from Egypt, but since a sizeable Jewish community later existed there, perhaps add a brief mention about returned Jewish presence in Egypt after these events?
  • Do you mean in the body or the lead? I guess the lead, since it already appears in the body. Added this at the lead's end: Jewish communities reestablished themselves in Egypt, Cyprus, and Cyrenaica during the 3rd–4th centuries CE, though they never reached their former prominence. Mariamnei (talk) 16:34, 11 February 2026 (UTC)
  • "Depiction of the destruction of the Second Temple" perhaps give date of the painting for context.
  • Support - looking great to me now. FunkMonk (talk) 17:51, 11 February 2026 (UTC)

Borsoka

  • I have not yet read the lead in full (which currently exceeds 500 words), but it appears to me that it could usefully be reduced (possibly by as much as 25%).
  • I've done some initial trimming for the lead, mostly around repetitions or overly detailed sections; see the changes here. Please let me know what you think. Mariamnei (talk) 12:23, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
  • Why are not Cassius Dio and Eusebius introduced when they are first mentioned?
  • You mean under "Primary Sources"? There's actually a paragraph dedicated to each source shortly after they are first mentioned in that section's opening paragraph. Mariamnei (talk) 12:23, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
  • Link and introduce Cyrene in the main text.
  • ...who is believed to have used Appian as a source ...and is believed to have been used as a source... By whom? Rephrase the second text to avoid repetition.
  • Changed to His tone is neutral, much like Eusebius, who may have relied on Appian as a source. Mariamnei (talk) 12:23, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
  • ...—a plague upon Rome—... I would delete it.
  • A link to Fiscus Judaicus in the main text?
  • The 1906 Jewish Encyclopedia noted that "(Dio's) descriptions of the cruelties perpetrated by the Jews at Cyrene and on the island of Cyprus are probably exaggerated." I would delete it because its core is the repetition of info mentioned in the previous sentence.
  • ..."which had been overturned and smashed up in the Jewish revolt,"... Name the author of the quote in the text.
  • That detail comes directly from the milestone itself; I've added an attribution which, according to its inscription, and included a link to Miliarium, which explains the use of milestones (and their inscriptions) by the Romans. Mariamnei (talk) 12:23, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
  • A link to strategoi?
  • That is the plural of strategos, which was already linked earlier under Uprisings#Egypt. Mariamnei (talk) 12:23, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
  • A link to Prefect?
  • ...by disrupting grain shipments... Some (very short) context?
  • Changed the text to say threatened the stability of the Roman Empire by disrupting grain shipments from Egypt, which served as a major source of grain for Rome and other provinces, hope that's clearer now. Mariamnei (talk) 12:23, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
  • Decide whether italicising the names of Roman military units or not. Borsoka (talk) 10:45, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
  • I've de-italicized all legion mentions (most were italicized anyway) so they're consistent now. For the cohors units with long Latin names and no links, I've kept the italization, let me know if you disagree. Mariamnei (talk) 12:23, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
  • The scarcity of literary sources documenting Roman violence against Jews in Mesopotamia, which became a Roman province during Trajan's Parthian campaign around 115 CE,[63] has sparked scholarly debate over whether a distinct Jewish revolt occurred in this region—comparable to those in other provinces—or if Jewish resistance was part of a broader anti-Roman uprising within the conquered Parthian territories. Split this long sentence at least into two.
  • Done. Literary sources describing Roman violence against Jews in Mesopotamia, conquered by Trajan around 115 CE, are scarce. As a result, scholars debate whether a distinct Jewish revolt occurred there, as in other provinces, or whether Jewish activity in Mesopotamia formed part of a broader resistance to Roman rule in the recently conquered Parthian territories. Mariamnei (talk) 22:41, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
  • Lusius?
  • The Jews are not mentioned in this context; while Dio does provide a brief reference to Quietus subduing the Jews, this reference is made in the context of the revolts in Egypt, Cyprus, and Cyrenaica, without specifying a geographic location. Rephrase.
  • Changed to Instead, Dio describes a generalized regional rebellion during the summer of 116 CE. In this version, Trajan dispatched several generals—including Quietus—to quell these revolts, which resulted in the recovery of Nisibis and the destruction of Edessa, both in northern Mesopotamia. Dio does not link Jews to these Mesopotamian events; while he does note that Quietus took part in suppressing Jewish rebels, he places that action within the context of the uprisings in Egypt, Cyprus, and Cyrenaica, leaving the exact location of Quietus's involvement unspecified. Mariamnei (talk) 22:41, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
  • ...are likely part of a broader resistance in the Parthian territories occupied by the Romans... Repetition of information from the section's first sentence. Perhaps this sentence's core information (P. B. Zeev's interpretation) could be mentioned in the first paragraph.
  • Totally agree. I've moved it up to the first paragraph and did a little copy editing so it flows better with the rest of the section. It now reads: As a result, scholars debate whether a distinct Jewish revolt occurred there, as in other provinces, or whether Jewish activity in Mesopotamia formed part of a broader resistance to Roman rule in the recently conquered Parthian territories. Pucci Ben Zeev argues for the latter, suggesting that Jews joined the broader regional insurgency in order to preserve the relatively favorable status they had enjoyed under Parthian rule, in contrast to the harsher conditions they expected under Roman rule. Mariamnei (talk) 22:41, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
  • ... Jewish communities were either annihilated... What does it mean? Were masses of individual Jews murdered or enslaved?
  • I kept the term "annihilated" because that's the wording used in the source. The precise mechanism isn't specified. We do have Appian's statement that Trajan was "exterminating the Jewish race in Egypt," along with the striking silence on Jewish presence in the archaeology, in contrast to what have been there before. That said, the sources don't clarify proportions for how many were killed versus enslaved, so I prefer to stick with the source's terminology. Mariamnei (talk) 22:41, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
  • ...the Jewish court in Alexandria might have been abolished Do we know the source of this assumption (literary source, archeological evidence)?
  • It's based on literary evidence, namely, two passages in the Tosefta, a rabbinic source of the 2nd century. Changed the text to say: Furthermore, the 2nd-century Tosefta (Pe'ah 4.6 and Ketubot 3.1) contains passages mentioning a former Jewish court in Alexandria that appears to have been abolished during this same period. Mariamnei (talk) 22:41, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
  • I would significantly trimm the last paragraph (about the Bar Kohba Revolt) in section "Impact on Judaea and the Bar Kokhba revolt" and I also delete the reference to the revolt from the section title. Borsoka (talk) 12:13, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
  • Done! see the changes here. Mariamnei (talk) 22:41, 19 February 2026 (UTC)
    @Borsoka Hi! Just a gentle nudge on this in case it got buried! no hurry, of course. Mariamnei (talk) 13:08, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
  • (lead) ...hopes for a return to Judaea. I think this is not clear. Perhaps a reference to "Jewish homeland/holy land/...", or something similar?
  • (lead) Thirteen years after the uprisings, Trajan's successor Hadrian decided to rebuild Jerusalem as a colony dedicated to Jupiter, possibly aiming to erase what he saw as the center of Jewish rebelliousness. In response, the Bar Kokhba revolt erupted, the last major Jewish attempt to regain independence in Judaea. I would radically trim this text.
  • Trimmed to Thirteen years after the diaspora uprisings, perhaps seeking to eradicate the seat of Jewish unrest, Emperor Hadrian re-founded Jerusalem as a Roman colony; in response, the Jews of Judaea launched the catastrophic Bar Kokhba revolt.. Mariamnei (talk) 17:52, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
  • I miss a short sentence in the lead about the revolt's impact on early Christiantiy. Borsoka (talk) 12:11, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
  • Added the following sentence: The war is also believed to have ended Alexandria's early Christian community, which was largely of Jewish origins; the later non-Jewish Christian community adopted traditions that had originated in the city's Jewish population. Mariamnei (talk) 17:52, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
  • @Borsoka: I've taken care of those three lead points. Let me know if there's anything else that needs a polish, or if you disagree with any of these recent changes. Mariamnei (talk) 17:52, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

I am glad to support the promotion of this article. While its length could likely be reduced to below 7,000 words (approximately a 7 percent reduction), considering that longer articles on less complex subjects have regularly been nominated and promoted, I do not regard this as a crucial issue. Thank you for this excellent and engaging contribution. Borsoka (talk) 09:03, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

Source review

Is it an unavoidable artifact of the citation format that antique sources (in the Primary sources section) get modern years? Need some information on what "Cathedra: For the History of Eretz Israel and Its Yishuv" is. Cambridge books seem to be inconsistently formatted, with and without ISBN and with or without links. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 10:01, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

Hi @Jo-Jo Eumerus.
  • I had this thought too. I considered dropping them, but then decided against that, the years are actually quite helpful for readers trying to track down the specific reference or edition. I think the information is too good to lose, but if you disagree, I'm okay with removing them altogether (unless someone can suggest another alternative, which would be welcome).
  • Cathedra: For the History of Eretz Israel and Its Yishuv is a quarterly research review published by the Ben Zvi Institute in Jerusalem, a prominent research center dedicated to Jewish history and culture. The articles I've cited are by David Rokeah (a Hebrew University professor specializing in Greek, Roman, and Second Temple Jewish history ) and Aharon Oppenheimer (a Tel Aviv University professor specializing in late-antique Jewish history, ).
  • Fixed now! I removed all links to Cambridge University Press except for the first mention and added ISBNs where they were missing. Mariamnei (talk) 20:27, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
I think the information is too valuable to lose, but I wonder if one can rig the citation so that it shows the translation/edition dates separately, say in square brackets - Trappist the monk can this be done? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:44, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
If you did not go to the library-of-ancient-texts, don the white gloves, and personally consult the ancient texts listed in Diaspora Revolt § Primary sources, then you must have consulted a modern facsimile, transcription, or translation of the ancient text. The publication date included in the source citation (regardless of citation style) is properly the publication date of the source that you consulted. You can, if you really believe it to be necessary, use |orig-date= to annotate the various citations in §Primary sources.
As an aside, I notice that some of the templates in §Primary sources have |ref=none, the others do not. Ought they not all be the same? Also, mind the WP:LISTGAP.
Trappist the monk (talk) 13:27, 11 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Hi Jo-Jo, is this good to go? Thanks. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:25, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
    The ref-none thing should be standardized. Otherwise I think yes. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 15:32, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

Comments by Dudley

  • None of the primary sources appear to be cited in the article. I would move them to a 'Further reading' section. Jo-Jo Eumerus do you agree?
  • Refs 42 and 45 are direct links to a 1906 encyclopedia. No bibliographic details are supplied and the source is too dated.
  • I've removed both of them. Mariamnei (talk) 09:37, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
  • "By contrast, the revolt in Mesopotamia appears to have formed part of a broader resistance to Roman expansion into Parthian territories." You refer to the Mesopotamian revolt as if you have already mentioned it. I am not sure you need this sentence, but "Trajan's campaign provoked revolts" would be clearer.
  • I have updated the text to: There is also a reference in Eusebius to Roman actions against Jews in Mesopotamia, though these events appear to have formed part of a broader local resistance to the Roman invasion of the Parthian Empire, rather than another Jewish uprising. I hope that makes it clearer. Mariamnei (talk) 09:37, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
  • "The principal sources, Cassius Dio and Eusebius". You give their dates below, but perhaps spell out here that Cassius Dio wrote 100 years later and Eusebius 200 years later.
  • "Roman suppression of unrest in Mesopotamia, though he does not explicitly identify a Jewish role in that region". Why "though"? You do not say there was a Jewish role.
  • You're right. I was getting a little ahead of myself by trying to foreshadow a scholarly debate I cover later in the article. Since we have an entire section dedicated to what actually happened in Mesopotamia, regarding whether it was part of the Jewish diaspora revolt or broader local unrest, I've trimmed the second part of the sentence here to keep things simple. Mariamnei (talk) 09:37, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
  • "Eusebius (c. 260–339), a bishop and scholar from late-antique Syria Palaestina, who discusses it in his Chronicon (68.32) and Ecclesiastical History (4.2.1–5),[12] works generally considered reliable sources". You cite one scholar for saying that Eusebius is generally considered reliable, but this is highly disputed. Judith Herrin regards him as a biassed Christian apologist (Ravenna, p. 4). See also Eusebius#Assessment.
  • Thanks for this important comment. I've rewritten parts of the paragraph to better present his apologetic agenda and how that influenced his take on the revolt. Let me know if that hits the right balance. Mariamnei (talk) 11:28, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
  • "Orosius saw the Jewish uprisings as divine punishment resulting from its persecution of Christians." I lose you here. "divine punishment" of who and what does "its" refer to. You link to Persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire.
  • I agree, that's confusing. I've changed the text to: He viewed the Jewish defeats in their uprisings against Rome as divine punishment for the persecution of early Christians by Jews. It now links to Persecution of Christians in the New Testament. I hope that’s clearer now. Mariamnei (talk) 10:31, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
  • "The uprisings in Egypt are also documented by papyrological evidence". Presumably contemporary papyri, and if so you should say so.
  • "that limit their reliability as strict historical sources". I would delete "strict" as superfluous.
  • "reveal continuing hope for the coming of the Messiah among the Jews of Judaea". Why "of Judaea"? How many Jews would there have been when the stories were recorded after the Bar Kokhba revolt and would the hope not have been among Jews in other places?
  • When using the spelling "Judaea", I usually refer to the Roman province of Judaea, which included the regions of Judea, Galilee, Samaria, the coastal plain, and Idumaea. This is distinct from the smaller "Judea" (i.e. the land of Judea, or Judea proper) which refers solely to the region surrounding Jerusalem. After the Bar Kokhba revolt, Judea proper was indeed devastated, but Jewish communities continued to thrive in other regions of Judaea (which was then renamed Syria Palaestina). Much of the rabbinic literature from the following centuries originated in Galilee. Anyway, you are right that this hope persisted among Jews in the Diaspora as well, so I've removed the reference to Judaea here. Mariamnei (talk) 10:31, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
  • "The advance of the Cyrenaican Jews into Egypt, marked by widespread destruction, may have been intended as the initial phase of this large-scale migration." What advance? This needs explanation.
  • Changed to She posits that the movement of Jewish rebels from Cyrenaica east into Egypt may have been intended as the first phase of a large-scale migration further east to Judaea. The point regarding the destruction is made clearer just a few sentences below. I think it's much more straightforward now, but please let me know if you think otherwise. Mariamnei (talk) 10:31, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
  • "Eusebius refers to Lukuas as "king"". You use the past tense for the comments of modern historians and the present for ancient writers. This is inconsistent.
  • I've switched everything I saw to the past tense for both the ancient and modern sources. Let me know if you spot any other stragglers while you're reading. Mariamnei (talk) 10:31, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
  • "Dio reports that the Jewish rebels in Cyrenaica were responsible for approximately 220,000 deaths,[41] though this figure is likely exaggerated for rhetorical effect." "reports" implies a statement of fact, but you say that the figure is exaggerated.
  • Changed to "wrote" instead. Mariamnei (talk) 10:31, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
  • "which was later rebuilt under the Antonine dynasty". This sounds odd as the revolt took place under the Antonine dynasty.
  • Right, changed to rebuilt in the following decades. Mariamnei (talk) 10:31, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
  • More to follow. Done to Libya. Dudley Miles (talk) 14:21, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
    @Dudley Miles Thanks for this great session of input. I've finished going through the points and have made fixes for each one. I'm ready for the next part, and of course, if you have any thoughts on the fixes I've made, please let me know. Mariamnei (talk) 11:31, 12 March 2026 (UTC)
Good evening Dudley, is there more to come? Gog the Mild (talk) 20:18, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
Yes. I have been away on holiday but I should be able to get back to it in the next couple of days. Dudley Miles (talk) 22:39, 19 March 2026 (UTC)
  • "The uprising in Egypt is often believed to have started around October 115 CE". "often believed" is vague and unencyclopedic. Maybe "some historians" or similar.
  • Changed the phrasing to "most historians" since this is the mainstream view. We're diving into Pucci Ben Zeev's counter-argument right after. Mariamnei (talk) 08:06, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
  • "It seems that the Jewish forces were well-organized". "It seems that" is vague and unencyclopedic.
  • Changed to Papyrological evidence indicates that the Jewish forces were well-organized and capable of presenting serious military challenges to their adversaries; as they moved through Egyptian villages, they quickly overcame local resistance. Mariamnei (talk) 08:06, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
  • "likely brought additional forces with him, likely including". repetition of "likely".
  • "and medieval Syriac sources mention unrest in Judaea, claiming that Jews from Egypt and Libya were defeated there by Roman forces". Why is this thought to refer to the Diaspora Revolt rather than one of the other Jewish revolts? It sounds more like Diaspora Jews supporting a main revolt in Judaea. This needs clarification.
  • You're right; there is a crucial detail missing that makes the connection much clearer. I've changed the phrasing to: while medieval Syriac sources maintain that the leader of the revolt in Cyrenaica was eventually defeated within Judaea by Roman forces. Mariamnei (talk) 09:46, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
  • "as a kind of Roman governor". What does "a kind of" mean here?
  • Changed to They also pose historical difficulties, as they portray Trajan not as an emperor, but rather as a Roman governor in Judaea who is himself executed. Mariamnei (talk) 08:06, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
  • "Some scholars dispute that any conflict occurred in Judaea during the Diaspora Revolt. Historians Eric M. Meyers and Mark A. Chancey, for example, wrote that "the rebellion did not apparently spread to Judea". Your distinction between Judaea and Judea is confusing here. It will be unclear to readers and I think you need to use some other term for one of them.
  • In this article, there really isn't a need to differentiate between the two spellings, as none of the references here refer specifically to the smaller region, all can refer to the province as a whole. The 'Judea' spelling only appears once and originates in a quote, so I'm standardizing it to 'Judaea' throughout for consistency. Mariamnei (talk) 08:06, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
  • "Furthermore, the 2nd-century Tosefta". As the revolt took place in the early 2nd century, you need to clarify the date of the Tosefta further.
  • Changed the text to say Furthermore, the Tosefta (Pe'ah 4.6 and Ketubot 3.1), a collection of rabbinic teachings compiled in the late 2nd or early 3rd century CE, contains passages mentioning a former Jewish court in Alexandria that appears to have been abolished during this same period. Mariamnei (talk) 08:06, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
  • More to follow. Done to Destruction of Jewish communities. Dudley Miles (talk) 17:46, 22 March 2026 (UTC)
  • "The resistance in Mesopotamia, though ultimately unsuccessful in its siege of Hatra". Presumably you mean that the rebels unsuccessfully besieged Hatra, but this is not clear.
  • Oh no, that's was an embarrassing phrasing, apologies. It was an unsuccessful siege on Trajan's part. I've changed the text to While the resistance in Mesopotamia was largely suppressed, it nonetheless led to a compromise with the Parthians. Trajan's siege of Hatra continued throughout the summer of 117 but ultimately failed; the years of constant campaigning and reports of revolts took a toll on the Emperor, who suffered a stroke resulting in partial paralysis.. Guess that's much clearer now. I also tweaked the phrasing in the rest of the paragraph to help it flow a bit better. Mariamnei (talk) 07:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
  • "In the Mekhilta of Rabbi Ishmael". I see that the date of this work is disputed, but is there anything you can say?
  • Contemporary sources agree on a date in the 3rd century CE. Changed the text to say In the Mekhilta of Rabbi Ishmael (3:25–27), a rabbinic exegesis on Exodus generally dated to the 3rd century CE but incorporating earlier tannaitic material (1st–2nd centuries CE), the "days of Trajan" are identified as the third instance in which the Torah's injunction against returning to Egypt was violated. Mariamnei (talk) 07:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
  • "while the Emperor celebrates the birth of his son, the Jews fast in mourning on the Ninth of Av; when his daughter dies, the Jews celebrate Hanukkah with festive lights". I think it could be clearer that this is a coincidence in dates. E.g. "when the Emperor was celebrating the birth of his son, the Jews were observing their traditional mourning on the Ninth of Av; when the emperor's daughter died, the Jews were celebrating Hanukkah with festive lights".
  • Great catch, thanks! I've swapped that into the article now. Mariamnei (talk) 07:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
  • See also. Articles linked in the text should not (as I understand it) have duplicate links in See also.
  • Fixed! I've removed all the duplicates and replaced them with other articles instead. Mariamnei (talk) 07:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
  • As I mentioned above, the section 'Primary sources' should be deleted or moved to Further reading as they are not cited in the article. Dudley Miles (talk) 12:17, 23 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Moved to Further reading. Mariamnei (talk) 07:57, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Further comments
  • "In the Diaspora, the largest Jewish communities were now concentrated". Does "now" mean during the revolt or after?
  • "they also reflect an apologetic agenda". "apologetic agenda" will not mean anything to many readers. The text should be clear to readers who do not have access to the link. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Linking#General points on linking style.
  • "Among several anecdotes, he recounted his narrow escape from capture". Presumably capture by Jewish rebels, but this should be clarified.
  • "Apollonios, the strategos of Heptakomia". What does this mean?
  • "It was not until the 3rd century that Jews re-established communities in Egypt, but they never regained their former influence." I think "and" is correct, not "but".
  • "Despite this, census data do not show a major demographic disruption in the overall population." Have historians commented on the apparent contradiction between this comment and previous ones? Dudley Miles (talk) 18:09, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
    @Dudley Miles
    • Afterwards. Changed to In the aftermath of the revolt, the largest Jewish diaspora communities were concentrated in Mesopotamia, Asia Minor, and Italy. to make it clear.
    • Added an explanation Nevertheless, while his works provide an influential framework for the history of the first centuries CE, they also reflect an apologetic agenda, or an effort to defend Christian beliefs and doctrines, that shaped his interpretation of the past.
  • I would prefer "(aiming to defend Christian beliefs and doctrines) to make clear that it is an explanation, not an alternative interpretation. Dudley Miles (talk) 16:17, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
  • @Dudley Miles No objection, I agree that wording is clearer. I've applied it in the article. Mariamnei (talk) 06:58, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
    • Added.
    • The Greek term strategos is already linked and presented as "military commander" in the previous chapter. I fixed the link for Heptakomia (now linking correctly to the Egyptian village of Kom Isfaht) and noted that it is in Upper Egypt to make it clear that it is a place we are speaking of.
    • Fixed.
    • I have only seen this point in Kerkeslager's article, and he does not address the apparent contradiction directly. If anyone is asking me, one could imagine ways in which an agricultural hinterland is impacted by war while the population remains the same size: either through displacement rather than large-scale killing, through a pre-existing pattern of urbanism that made changes in the hinterland less impactful on overall numbers, or through high birth rates that quickly restored the population to its pre-revolt level despite the losses. But these are all speculations. Mariamnei (talk) 14:43, 28 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Support. Looks fine now. Dudley Miles (talk) 11:57, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

RoySmith

I'll probably not be doing a full review; I just want to note a related thread I started at WT:WikiProject Visual arts#How to deal with underexposed photos of paintings? RoySmith (talk) 15:10, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

Hi Roy, anything else to come? Gog the Mild (talk) 13:20, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
I'm afraid I don't have the time right now to devote to a full review, sorry. RoySmith (talk) 14:25, 29 March 2026 (UTC)


Drive-by comments

  • Cites 31 and 32 both have p/pp errors.
  • Could all books have a publisher location.
  • Horbury (2014) should be before Horbury (2021).
  • Could we have a page range for Kerkeslager.
  • "launched by Jewish diaspora communities across the eastern provinces of the Roman Empire". Well, actually it wasn't. It only took place in four, maybe five, provinces - the current text suggests it took place in all of them.
  • Changed to in several eastern provinces of the Roman Empire. Mariamnei (talk) 11:25, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
  • "The Diaspora Revolt appears to have led to the devastation, and in some cases the annihilation, of Jewish communities in Egypt, Libya, and other regions". This is the first mention of Libya. What area do you mean when you refer to "Libya", given that there was no such province in 117? Why should the Jews in Libya be devastated if there was no revolt and no Roman suppression there. Similarly, why "other regions", are these other than the five already mentioned. And where is this in the main article? Why "appears"? In the main article you state it as a fact "The suppression of the revolt saw a devastating campaign of ethnic cleansing, which effectively led to the near-total expulsion and annihilation of Jews from Cyrenaica, Cyprus, and many parts of Egypt." Note the difference between the lead and the article as to which areas you state are effected.
  • Thank you, those are all fair points. "Libya" is indeed imprecise in this case. I meant Cyrenaica, as is now made clear in the article (the issue arises because ancient Cyrenaica lies within the borders of modern Libya, though in classical antiquity the term "Libya" had different meanings and referred to different territories. Orosius does, however, use the term "Libya" in the 4th/5th centuries in reference to Jewish actions in Cyrenaica, and is quoted that way in the article). I replaced 'other regions' with Cyprus. Regarding "appears", I agree, and I have removed it from the lead so that it better matches the body and the cited source. Mariamnei (talk) 11:25, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Thanks for raising this. The map currently used in the article is derived from this file on Wikimedia Commons, which in turn cites several apparently reliable published atlases in its Commons description, including Historischer Weltatlas (Marix Verlag, 2011), Történelmi világatlasz (Cartographia Kiadó, 2005), and Christopher Scarre's The Penguin Historical Atlas of Ancient Rome (1995). On the Egypt/Cyrenaica point, if you look closely at the version currently used in this article, there is in fact a boundary line shown between the two provinces. Mariamnei (talk) 11:25, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
Re the boundary, I must be going blind - it seems quite clear now. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:52, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
If you are satisfied that the sources adequately support the map, could they they be copied to the image's Commons page to replace the current "Source - own work". Gog the Mild (talk) 13:55, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
So, the maps were almost identical, except for a few issues with the borders around Mesopotamia and Armenia, so I uploaded another version that is now fully aligned with the sourced map. I also introduced a few color changes: red now marks Egypt, Cyrenaica, and Cyprus, where the revolt is known to have taken place, while orange marks Judaea and Mesopotamia, where the extent and nature of the hostilities, and their connection to the Diaspora Revolt, remain debated, as the article explains at length. I've also copied the sources to the image's Commons page. Mariamnei (talk) 10:49, 7 April 2026 (UTC)
  • "... the Jews of Judaea launched the catastrophic Bar Kokhba revolt. In the aftermath of the revolt ..." Is the aftermath of the Bar Kokhba Revolt or the Diaspora Revolt?
  • The Diaspora Revolt, fixed in the article. Mariamnei (talk) 11:25, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Why the lower-case r for Bar Kokhba revolt? As opposed to Diaspora Revolt. I note that Bar Kokhba Revolt has an upper-case R in the campaign box. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:20, 29 March 2026 (UTC)
  • Good catch. I agree that the inconsistency is not ideal. It seems to stem from the title of the Bar Kokhba revolt article. I've gone ahead and standardized the mentions in this article to the upper case form. As for the main article on Bar Kokhba, would you consider it uncontroversial enough to move without discussion, or would an RM be better in your opinion? @Gog the Mild:. Mariamnei (talk) 11:25, 31 March 2026 (UTC)
Personally I would be bold, but put an explanation on the talk page. Gog the Mild (talk) 13:52, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
Mariamnei, nudge. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:06, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
Sorry @Gog the Mild. I could not do this on my own, so I've just created a request to move the article here, on WP:Requested moves/Technical requests. Mariamnei (talk) 09:30, 7 April 2026 (UTC)


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