Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Training Season/archive1

Whonting

Hey MaranoFan, good to see you back from your break. Having a look over, not too closely at the sourcing on a first run through.

• "they compared it to other singles from the album" without detail on the substance of the comparisons, this is padding.
• Some application of WP:THEGAME would help, including cutting mentions of "Training Season", e.g. "Vincent Haycock directed the music video for "Training Season", which depicts..."
• "In January 2022, she revealed that a large part of songwriting for it had been completed, and half of it was done by March that year." This can be tightened up. I would just cut the January update which doesn't lend meaningful comparison to progress in March, but if it is to be retained, along the lines of WP:MEDSAY move from a framing of "she revealed" with its somewhat promotional tone to "a large part of the songwriting was complete by January 2022" etc.
• "whom she had been a fan of" this can be cut -- it's unremarkable that a singer says she was a fan of a collaborator during a promotional tour.
• Can we give a bit more background on the producers? What style they generally work in, what they're bringing to the table etc, lest it just become a list of names.

• With secondary sources written after the song's release not going into detail about this, I have erred on the side of caution to keep us in due territory and to avoid synthesis. Curious people could explore the wikilinked biographies and find their usual styles quickly in the infobox.
  • At least a bit can be taken from the Rollingstone India piece (e.g. therein Harle is identified as "electronica auteur"). At least for Parker I'd push for including background. - W

• "Lipa was inspired by the title's dual meaning" Suggest clarifying which title, considering the last title mentioned was "Tokyo Nights".
• "Lipa was inspired by the title's dual meaning, stating that it is about both informing men that she will no longer be training them about how to treat her as well as the completion of her own personal growth." Hm. Does this make sense? She said it as a play on two meanings, but I don't think those are inherent, and it is strange chronologically to have her create a dual meaning and then be inspired by her creation to talk about the dual meaning? Perhaps "expanded on".
• "training them about how to treat her"
• "8 of the 11 tracks finally included on it were written with"
• "as the lead single from her third studio album"
• "She wore a sweater with the caption "Training Season" in an Instagram photo in January 2024.[14] On 25 January, Lipa posted a TikTok video of her singing the song's chorus in a car." I would suggest consolidating these.
• "She premiered it at the 66th Annual Grammy Awards on 4 February."
• "accompanied by its extended, instrumental, and a cappella versions."
• "A Recap of Radio Add Recaps" This URL can be marked as dead. I would also appreciate if you could spell out what in it is supporting the text.

• "Warner's Chester and Reich crew bring in [...] 14 early adds on Dua Lipa's 'Training Season.'" - Chester and Reich is Warner Records' team which promotes songs to radio stations.

• The composition section strays into an accretion of facts already conveyed in the credits section. Is there any elaboration you could offer on, for instance, what the drums were doing? In general, I would cut details already conveyed in the credits section if all that is being offered is a name not notable for a stand-alone article.

• It cannot be made sure of that all readers read the Credits section, so it is the norm to cover this information in the prose as well. As for the placement here, I believe it is logical as the instruments played are all part of the composition and the bit about the background vocalists, for example, ties into the girl group harmonies part in the following paragraph. Cameron Gower Poole and Josh Gudwin are the only two names without Wikipedia articles currently, and quite frankly, creating those might be warranted.
  • That's fair. I do still feel some movement can be made on moving the section away from a list of facts; I'll invoke RoySmith's refrain on it reading "choppy". - W

• The composition section has too many statements attributed rather than summarized. I suspect User:LEvalyn/Getting information from book reviews may be helpful here, even in a different domain.
• Sorry if I'm being thick: "Lipa's demands from her romantic partners" what she demands of her romantic partners, or what they demand of her?
• I believe "ideals" is the opposite of "standards" of the source. This can also be better attributed to establish it as Lipa's values.
• I like how you arranged the critical reception section by theme, but the structure of Outlet's name said is repetitive. Much of it can be consolidated, e.g.: "Reviewers believed "Training Season" was catchy. AllMusic's Neil Z. Yeung included the song among the "truly insidious earworms" on Radical Optimism that were sure to get stuck in listeners' heads, and Wang thought it had "an insanely catchy hook".[55][38] Its hook and beat were described as "infectious" by Slant Magazine's Sal Cinquemani and NME's Damian Jones, respectively." is saying little of substance.

• Actually I was struggling with this section a little bit before, but I think your comment made me think along the right lines and I have massively redone it. Hope all looks good.

• "thought they enhanced the fleeting and feel-good quality of the album." MOS:SAID, and I'm not sure what it means for the album to have a "fleeting" quality.
• "showcased her most powerful skills" singing? Other?
• "thought the beats were deeper, more layered, and sensual" than?
• "had consistently embodied" suggest "presented as".
• The commercial performance section is a bit of a drag. I can't imagine anyone actually reading long lists of countries and an associated number; per Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Lists#Use prose where understood easily, put this in a list or table. This also afflicts the Background and release section to a lesser extent with its enumeration of versions.

• Just significantly cut the bulk using a note. Well, we have an entire Charts section with several tables but there needs to be some representation of commercial performance in the written prose. Hope this works for you.

• Some awkward wording in the music video section. "preoccupied by listening to", "undaunted", "are all trying to impress and capture her attention"
• "Marie Claire's Sophia Vilensky praised Lipa's hair in it as "a casual sunlit red that looks natural as ever".[113]" WP:DUE? If so, better establish why it isn't just tacked on.
• Consider adding a screenshot from the music video, which would conveying the framing and scale of pusuit in a way words don't or cannot.

• Keeping WP:NFCC#3 in mind, and as we already have a copyrighted artwork file and audio sample, I feel like a music video screenshot in this case cannot really be justified to a media reviewer. I believe it is best reserved for cases like "Feather" with some sort of extensive critical commentary or controversy about the video.

• The Live performances section reads like a rather dry recounting of facts, at least from my reading at the moment. Can you have a go at reworking it to flow better, and consolidating critic assessments? I would also like to hear from you on whether you think there may be a bit too much detail on clothing. I wonder if there are grounds for creating a Fashion of Dua Lipa page?

• Well, looking at the Grammy performance, we have one sentence purely about Lipa's outfit which looks ok to me. I significantly cut the similar sentence for the Brits performance. Fashion of Dua Lipa sounds like a good idea to me, though, whenever I have some time in the future, lol.
  • This section is looking better, but I have some additional comments / elaborations I'll continue below. - W

• "she levitated" > was suspended
• Some MOS quibbles: Per MOS:ENDASH use en-dashes for date ranges, and apply MOS:PLAINLIST in the infobox

Whonting (talk) 17:16, 14 July 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the very thoughtful and detailed review, Whonting. It has helped a lot. Please do have another look at it when you have some time.--NØ 09:33, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

• "This preceded the release of "Training Season"" repeats "Training Season" in close succession.
• "into singing "Houdini" in the middle of the stage and performed the dance sequence from its music video" the chronology here is a bit unclear: I'm not sure what the relevance of the middle of the stage here, or when she dismounted the jungle gym (if she did). The detail on her Houdini performance reads like we're straying off-topic.
• I would try to tighten up the critical reactions to the Grammy's performance, which come across a bit disjointed.
• "She sang the song" preceding this is the London version, I assume we're just talking about "Training Season" in general?
• I feel the rest is still a bit drawn out, but I won't press it, and actioning the above will get me across the line to support.

Whonting (talk) 10:19, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

I have implemented all from the second batch of comments along with intros for Parker and Harle, Whonting. Feel free to make any edits you like.--NØ 20:30, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Thanks MaranoFan, I've had a brief spot check of some refs and didn't have anything turn up. Happy to support. Whonting (talk) 23:18, 15 July 2026 (UTC)

Comments

• "reprised it at festivals, including the Glastonbury Festival 2024." - "reprised" is an odd word choice here, as that indicates revisiting an earlier performance, implying that the festivals came after the tour mentioned in the same sentence, but Glastonbury 2024 took place before said tour even started......
• "A large part of songwriting" => "A large part of the songwriting"
• "Upon release, music critics opined "Training Season" had commercial potential" => "Upon release, music critics opined that "Training Season" had commercial potential"
• "Lipshutz thought "Training Season" showcased her most powerful musical instincts and people who enjoyed her 2020 single "Physical" would become fans of it.[36]" => "Lipshutz thought that "Training Season" showcased her most powerful musical instincts and that people who enjoyed her 2020 single "Physical" would become fans of it.[36]"
• "She realizes that the men" - UK spelling is "realises"
• "Uproxx's Flisadam Pointer thought the aerial dance moves were impressive and Lipa displayed stamina" => "Uproxx's Flisadam Pointer thought that the aerial dance moves were impressive and that Lipa displayed stamina"
• "Lipa recorded a live performance of the track, which was called the "London Sessions"" - I don't believe the live performance of this one track was called "the London Sessions" (plural). Maybe it was part of a longer release with that title.......?
• "She sang it at the Royal Albert Hall on 17 October,[157] which was released on the live album Dua Lipa Live from the Royal Albert Hall (2024).[" - I think "She sang it during a performance at the Royal Albert Hall on 17 October,[157] which was released as the live album Dua Lipa Live from the Royal Albert Hall (2024).[" works better
• Think that's all I got....... -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 15:01, 16 July 2026 (UTC)

• Everything is addressed I think, ChrisTheDude. Thanks a lot for the review!--NØ 19:59, 16 July 2026 (UTC)

• Support -- ChrisTheDude (talk) 07:20, 17 July 2026 (UTC)

Source review - pass

Here'll be a source review from me! RedShellMomentum 22:23, 17 July 2026 (UTC)

This table lists 7 random passages from throughout the article (4.8% of 146 total passages). These passages contain 10 inline citations (3.8% of 262 in the article). Generated with the Veracity user script. RedShellMomentum 22:23, 17 July 2026 (UTC)

@MaranoFan: Source review is all good. I've also recently opened up a FAC for "Dick in a Box", you may leave comments there if you wish. RedShellMomentum 23:18, 17 July 2026 (UTC)

Aoba47

• I have a question about the following sentence: She invited him to a studio session with Caroline Ailin, electronica producer Danny L Harle, and Tobias Jesso Jr. at 5DB in London. Is there a reason why only Danny L Harle has a descriptor?

• Whonting mentioned this as well above. I've just gone ahead and given them all the descriptors used by Rolling Stone India.

• Thank you for addressing this for me. Aoba47 (talk) 23:40, 21 July 2026 (UTC)

• I would recommend linking interpolation as it is an example of music jargon and I could see some readers being unfamiliar with it. It may also be helpful to link earworm later on in the article.
• If possible, I would add further information on "Tokyo Nights", like the artists or the release date, to provide readers with additional context.

• Unfortunately nothing exists for us to elaborate on this further than what is in the article. The interpolation is not notable, and even the current mention only exists to avoid giving the impression that the interpolated writers were in the room writing "Training Season" with the actual writers. If it were available, I do agree such information would have benefited readers.

• Thank you for explanation. That makes sense to me. It is a shame that this was not further discussed in the coverage for the song, but I am not that surprised by it, as a lot of sources do not delve into the more technical aspects of music. Aoba47 (talk) 23:40, 21 July 2026 (UTC)

• The article makes a point that critics praised the single's commercial potential. Was there any subsequent coverage on if the single performed well or not (whether it is compared to Dua Lipa's past singles or other singles from the time period or any other metric)? I was just curious if there was any discussion on if this potential was realized.

• Rolling Stone, Billboard, and USA Today did call it a hit in passing, but an analysis of the song's commercial performance is not the center point of those articles so it's probably just journalese best ignored by Wikipedia...

• That is fair. Thank you for looking into this for me. Aoba47 (talk) 23:40, 21 July 2026 (UTC)

• Would the song's inclusion in RuPaul's Drag Race season 17 be notable enough to mention in this article? I was able to find a Billboard article that mentions its inclusion in the show.

• The list does have 23 different popular songs, so that gives me pause about how noteworthy being included in the show is. I think if "Training Season"'s inclusion itself drew an individual article, like Kelly Clarkson's Kellyoke performances sometimes do, there would be a much better case.

• I agree with your rationale. For whatever reason, I would have thought that there would have been more coverage of the Drag Racee usage, but this song was part of a larger lip-sync tournament, so it probably just got overshadowed as a result. I looked into this further, and I could not find any significant coverage, and there is an article on this particular Drag Race episode anyway, so any information and citations would be more relevant there. Aoba47 (talk) 23:40, 21 July 2026 (UTC)

I hope that these comments are helpful. Wonderful work with this article. Once everything has been addressed, I will read through everything a few more times to make sure that I have not missed anything. I hope that you are having a great start to your week. Aoba47 (talk) 03:01, 21 July 2026 (UTC)

OMG, an Aoba review! I had to blink my eyes a few times when I saw it. I guess you're just not into Olivia Rodrigo, lol. Helpful comments as always and it should be ready for your re-read.--NØ 18:14, 21 July 2026 (UTC)

I am glad that I could help. I do not have any negative opinions on Olivia Rodrigo lol. I have been more so taking a break from reviewing for a bit. I have read through the article, and everything looks good to me. I support this FAC for promotion based on the prose. Best of luck with the FAC! Aoba47 (talk) 23:40, 21 July 2026 (UTC)

Pamzeis

I've seen clips of this song, but I've just realised that I've never heard the full version—I will try not to screw anything up!

• "as part of its more memorable and uptempo segment" — I had to read this bit twice 'cuz I was unsure what the "its" referred to until "segment"
• "twenty-seven on the Billboard Hot 100" — maybe specify that it's a US chart?
• "album was done by March" — done sounds a tad unencyclopaedic
• "Lipa ended up writing 97 songs for the album; 8 of the 11 tracks finally included were written with Ailin, Harle, Jesso Jr., and Parker." — seems a bit random in a paragraph on how she came to write this specific song
• "and made it available on physical formats like 7-inch, cassette, and CD" — where? Given the sentence also mentions Italy, I can see readers assuming that it's only referring to that country
• "Woodshed Recording in Malibu, California, and Parker's home studio in Los Angeles, with Parker, Ailin, and Jesso Jr. contributing background vocals" — nitpicks: California could be mistaken as a separate location because of the way the commas are and its position; and did Parker, Ailin, and Jesso Jr. record background vocals at all the studios or only the LA one?

• I split the sentence. Hopefully that takes care of it? It doesn't seem like it is specifically singled out in the liner notes where the background vocals were recorded.

• "stronger representation of" — stronger than what?
• "She yearns for someone who can provide emotional support, be in command when Lipa feels vulnerable, and who she can have meaningful conversations with" — is it possible for this bit to be edited a bit so that the list items have parallel structure?
• "Lipa asks a person if he can meet these requirements, because she no longer wants to have to guide people how to love her correctly: "Training season's over"." — this bit is a bit confusing for me—does the lyric "Training season's over" articulate the entirety of ideas discussed in this sentence? It seems to only be relevant in representing the latter half of the sentence to me
• "Joe Muggs praised the songwriting" — maybe clarify if this is the songwriting of the album or the singles?
• "believed the singles sounded like Lipa's other material" — does Muggs indicate whether he means this positively or negatively?

• It is positive, just rephrased this a bit.

• "ninth top 10 single", "15th top ten single" — consistency?
• Might just be me being dumb, but this bit "number four in Belgium[101] and on Japan Hot Overseas,[102]" really confused me for a while until I looked at the source 'cuz I kept wondering why the number for Japan wasn't listed
• I'm a bit iffy on whether some of the chartings are worth mentioning in the prose, since some aren't the "main" chart for the country, like Japan Hot Overseas
• "Reviewers praised it as an opening to the show" — how does one praise something as an opening? Did they specifically comment on the performance's quality in regards to how well it functioned as an opener to the show or something like that?
• "Lipa opened her Glastonbury Festival 2024 set with "Training Season"" — would it be useful to note that she was a headliner as well?

Overall, a very well-written article. I found it very enjoyable to read. I hope my comments help :) Pamzeis (talk) 13:51, 3 August 2026 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your review and insights as always, Pamzeis. All done. I am not surprised there are a lot of clips of this song floating online, as Lipa has opened every show since the song's release with performances of it, and they're actually all pretty good? I didn't enjoy the album, personally, but can recommend this song for sure.--NØ 18:12, 4 August 2026 (UTC)

• Yeah, I remember seeing a video from her team that promoted her tour using this song and joking how she'd improved from "go girl, give us nothing". Perhaps I will give the full song a listen now. Anyhow, I support this nomination. BTW, I'd appreciate any comments at a current FAC of mine :) Pamzeis (talk) 04:34, 5 August 2026 (UTC)

Image review

Not strictly necessary, but has someone access to the source Flickr of File:Tame Impala Surly Brewing in Minneapolis 2019 (48419382936) (cropped).jpg? Is the sampled section of File:Dua Lipa - Training Season.ogg particularly significant to the song as a whole? ALT text and image placement seems fine. Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:18, 6 August 2026 (UTC)

• As per this request, I attempted to access through my Flickr Pro account, and the 403 error remained; the audience may now be set to "Friends" or at least not "Public". That being said, the Flickr item was reviewed by a bot at time of upload, and the Flickr user has generally used CC-BY 2.0 as his license (he has had spurts where he has used All Rights Reserved, but a) a CC-BY license is non-revokable [for items where the original license was free] and b) the user has generally switched to a CC-BY 2.0 license when items were originally uploaded as "All Rights Reserved"). Consequently, I don't see any reason to doubt the license.  — Chris Woodrich (talk) 13:55, 6 August 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the help, Chris. To avoid any headaches, I have just switched out the image for another one of Parker playing a guitar onstage with an open license, which functionally serves the same purpose. For the audio sample, this is the part of the song with the hook, the Middle Eastern-influenced ABBA-esque melody, and the girl group-type harmony, so imo a lot of the production elements discussed in the surrounding prose. I also find these 20 seconds most relevant to critical commentary about how the song has "cluttered production". Hope this checks out now, Jo-Jo Eumerus.--NØ 14:24, 6 August 2026 (UTC)

Drive-by comments

• Cite 72: "British single certifications". That should be upper-case S and C. Similarly in cites 103, 104, 107, 109, 110 and 111. Gog the Mild (talk) 20:26, 6 August 2026 (UTC)

These are all references auto-produced by the Certification Table Entry template. Just wanted to confirm if you want me to actually replace these, since their use would seem recommended by WP:ALBUM/CERT though not absolutely compulsory?--NØ 03:16, 7 August 2026 (UTC)

The titles of articles in the References section can be all in title case or all in sentence case, but need to be consistent. As all of the others are in title case, it seems easiest to change these seven. I have no qualms with the sources themselves. Gog the Mild (talk) 12:33, 7 August 2026 (UTC)

Gog the Mild, umm, done but it would be beneficial if you proposed a built-in case field for the Certification Table Entry template in case this is going to be a regular part of the FAC criteria now. There seems to be no precedent for swapping out the automatically generated certification template references with manual ones solely to match case, and you seem to have let those slide on the FAC for the last song you promoted (just five days ago).--NØ 22:24, 7 August 2026 (UTC)

Consistency of citation style has always been an FAC criterion. I pick it up frequently enough that I have had a boilerplate for it for more than five years. If I don't pick up every case of part of the FAC criteria or MoS not being adhered to prior to promoting I can only say that I am merely human. Very nice article by the way. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:07, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

• Closing note: This candidate has been promoted, but there may be a delay in bot processing of the close. Please see WP:FAC/ar, and leave the {{featured article candidates}} template in place on the talk page until the bot goes through. Gog the Mild (talk) 11:08, 8 August 2026 (UTC)

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