Wikipedia:Good article reassessment/Havelock MRT station/1

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Result: This appears to have been resolved. Bgsu98 (Talk) 20:11, 9 June 2026 (UTC)

This is a bit of a weird situation. The article was passed for GAN a day ago, but other editors (both on and off-wiki) have felt that the review was of insufficient quality since it did not assess all of the criteria. I initially raised this to the nominator and removed the GA icon from the article, and allowed the reviewer to add the additional criteria in the review (which... I definitely shouldn't have, looking at it now). Anyways, I was advised by 11WB to raise it to GAR, so that's why I opened this GAR. Additionally pinging YuniToumei and ZKang123 (the reviewer should be automatically informed). Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 18:41, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

Not involved, other than through advising @Icepinner here. The original review focused on prose and sources. This covers points 1, 2 and 4 of WP:GACR6. For point 5, we can WP:AGF and assume that @Whyiseverythingalreadyused checked this and didn't raise it due to the article being stable (which it currently is according to the edit history). The same can be said for point 3. For point 6, an assessment of the images (of which there are three) was not done. This, in my view, doesn't invalidate the review.

To sum up, the review was brief and short in length, with three of the six criteria explicitly assessed, two of the criteria not raised likely due to there being no issues with them (if we AGF), leaving only the image assessment missing. If the images are deemed appropriate, I think this article can remain a good article. 11WB (talk) 21:14, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

I just felt a more thorough review might be necessary rather than a simple rubber stamp. I appreciate WIEAU reviewing but also I felt they might not have sufficient experience and actually appreciate another more experienced user to also give a good look.--ZKang123 (talk · contribs) 23:56, 21 May 2026 (UTC)

@Icepinner thanks for your review of one of my GANs recently. I think I can help out here. I agree that the review was not adequate as most of the criteria were not explicitly evaluated, though the spot check was good. Below is a full review including everything except a full spot check. IAWW (talk) 17:13, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for the review, It is a wonderful world! I have responded in-line (reminds me I need to chekc up on your nomination). Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:51, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

@It is a wonderful world: Responded to remaining comments. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 15:56, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Full review

Prose (criteria 1a, 1b and 4) clock

Lead

No issues

History

The contract for the design and construction of Havelock station, Contract T221, was awarded to Gammon Construction Limited: I think it should just be "construction", not "design and construction". None of the sources say that Gammon was contracted to design it. IAWW (talk) 17:10, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Done. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:44, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

It still says "design and construction". IAWW (talk) 20:24, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Ah, changed it. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 15:56, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

at S$210 million (US$ million) in February 2014: Suggest adding a modern monetary conversion (Template:Inflation) IAWW (talk) 17:10, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Done, I believe. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:49, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks! I copyedited this a little to make it look nicer. IAWW (talk) 20:25, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

as part of TEL3: "TEL3" meaning TEL phase 3 has not yet been introduced as a term in the body, as it was in the lead. IAWW (talk) 17:10, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Added full form in body. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:44, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Looks good, though it needs a source to support it. IAWW (talk) 20:27, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Done. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 15:56, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

residents negotiated for it to open in January 2022: I don't think "negotiated" is the right word here. The source says that they "consulted" the residents, which is different. Also the text makes it seem like the date was negotiated/consulted on, when actually it was just the while idea of building it. IAWW (talk) 17:10, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Reworded. The source was published in October 2022, and the entrance was opened in January 2022, so I wouldn't say the source gives the idea of opening the entrance early. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:43, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

I agree. I meant the article text was giving the impression that it was opened early. I felt this sentence was straying a little from the source in a few ways, so I altered it to "In January 2022, a sheltered staircase was completed as part of Entrance Three following consultations to the residents and Josephine Teo". I hope you agree this is a little more accurate and concise. Feel free to make any further changes. IAWW (talk) 20:40, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

was less disruptive and saved time and labour compared to the cut-and-cover method: I think mention that the cut and cover method was the traditional way/more commonly used way of doing it at the time, otherwise it's not clear why you would compare the two. IAWW (talk) 17:10, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Good point, added that. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:44, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Looks good IAWW (talk) 20:41, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

With disruptions of material and manpower due to the COVID-19 pandemic: doesn't make grammatical sense. IAWW (talk) 17:10, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Rephrased it, hopefully it's better. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:44, 4 June 2026 (UTC)
Yes that fixes it IAWW (talk) 20:42, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Details

I personally think this section should go before the "History" section. I think the average viewer is much more likely to be looking for information about the details of the station than they are about its construction history. IAWW (talk) 17:10, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

The "structure" for these types of articles is history then details, but good idea; I've swapped them. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 16:44, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks! IAWW (talk) 20:43, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Sources clock

The citation numbers are based on this version.

Health/formatting (criterion 2a) Y

No issues for GA, though I strongly suggest adding archive links as many links will probably die in the next few years.

Reliability (criterion 2b) clock

Note [a] has a "better citation needed" tag. IAWW (talk) 17:10, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

This was added after the article passed GAN. Removed it anyway since it fails verifiability; the video only mentions Havelock Road. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 15:47, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Thanks. I'm curious, do you watchlist your completed GANs and check every edit for vandalism/degrading changes? IAWW (talk) 20:44, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

I do watchlist all of my pages, but this topic area receives little foot traffic (I need to expand my anti-vandalism efforts). Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 15:56, 5 June 2026 (UTC)

Spot check (criteria 2b, 2c and 2d) clock

The following issues were found using this automated tool and then manually checked:

[5] now redirects. It doesn't seem that an archive of that source is available either. IAWW (talk) 17:10, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Hmm... the original url must've been moved. I removed it anyway since the calculations for the passenger count tend to go beyond the scope of WP:CALC. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 15:07, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Okay that's fine IAWW (talk) 20:45, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

[10b]: The March 2025 date did not come from the source cited after that date, and I'm not sure where the "four" other stations figure came from. Please rewrite to be accurate to the source and/or rearrange the sources so they fully support the information directly before them. IAWW (talk) 17:10, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Must've gotten lost in transit when someone was copyediting the article. Rectified it. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:47, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

[20]: The source says the "rest of TEL" was delayed to 2022–2025. Not TEL3 specifically. IAWW (talk) 17:10, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Fixed. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 17:50, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

[26]: Y

[29]: Don't see where this supports the text. The archive is also not working at all (forever loading the map). IAWW (talk) 17:10, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

If you click on the station code, it leads you to a sidebar which has the train frequencies. Btw, the archive link does take a long time to load since the Wayback Machine would have to archive this for every other station. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 15:08, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Ah yes, I see it. I'll take your word for it that the archive eventually loads IAWW (talk) 20:51, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

Randomly checked citations:

[33]: Y

[18, 19]: Y

[30a, 31]: Y

Copyvio (criterion 2d) Y

Earwig found no issues. I found no issues on the sources I checked.

Scope (criteria 3a and 3b) Y

I couldn't find any major sourcing not yet included in the article. The article follows the same structure as other GAs and FAs on MRT stations.

Stable (criterion 5) Y

Media clock

Tags (criterion 6a) Y

All the images are own works with valid licenses. No issues.

Captions (criterion 6b) clock

Platform of the station -> "Station platform": More natural IAWW (talk) 17:10, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Done. Icepinner (Come to Hakurei Shrine!) 15:07, 4 June 2026 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.