Wikipedia:Help desk/Archive 69

My project draft:Arganak was declined because some person named user:AlphaBetaGamma posted this:

"This draft's references do not show that the subject qualifies for a Wikipedia article. In summary, the draft needs multiple published sources that are: in-depth (not just passing mentions about the subject) reliable secondary independent of the subject

Make sure you add references that meet these criteria before resubmitting. Learn about mistakes to avoid when addressing this issue. If no additional references exist, the subject is not suitable for Wikipedia."

When on Armenian cuisine in the soups, and stews section, there is a bulletin point, and it says "Arganak (Armenian: արգանակ arganak) – soup that is based on seasoned meatballs, and onions, which are cooked in chicken broth, and flavored with lemon juice, egg yolks and parsley."

When I wrote a draft that talks about the same food, and was declined for not being notable! And also, the crazy thing is that on Armenian cuisine, many sources are not reliable. I will give some examples of non-reliable sources. Reference 102 and references 169 to 176 are literally products to buy on an e-commerce store. And reference 128 is using TasteAtlas, the only source I used in my draft, and somehow MY DRAFT got declined, and the part using the reference did not. Also, reference 140 is a YouTube video on how to make an Armenian food called "Qalagosh!" And finally, reference 177 does not exist (It is a 404 not found.)

This is not fair. Can someone please do something about it? Rafael Hello! 15:09, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

draft:Arganak is way too short, and has only one cite. This is nowhere near mainspace, see Your first article for ways of fixing this.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 15:28, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, you can do something about it: if the article Armenian cuisine is poorly sourced (which would not surprise me - we have thousands and thousands of articles which are seriously substandard and would not be accepted if they were submitted for review today), then the answer is to improve the sourcing on that article, not to add further equally weakly sourced articles.

Unfortunately, not many volunteers are willing to spend much time working on this issue.

We evaluate each article submitted against Wikipedia's current policies, not against existing articles: see other stuff exists. ColinFine (talk) 15:39, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

You could ask or help finding sources at WT:WikiProject Armenia. Remember that sources don't need to be in English, and don't need to be online. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 09:06, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

I mistakingly made this BioSpring Biotechnology Company. Can you delete this? Rafael Hello! 03:13, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

You can request the deletion of any page that you are the only substantial author of by adding the template {{db-author}}.

Nb. the page in question was moved to Draft:BioSpring Biotechnology Company. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 08:06, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Adam Shapiro (television reporter)

Your description of me is inacccurate. I have updated the description. 69.193.176.10 (talk) 13:28, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Your changes were reverted; not least because we cannot tell if you are who you say you are. Please see the advice at WP:About you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:53, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Since that case is not covered by Help:Logging_in, I went to this page as directed there.

A few days ago I got logged out from the mobile app, and, upon trying to log back in, I got told I had to input a verification code that had been sent to my email address. The problem is, I no longer have that email account, which I literally deleted. When I noticed that, I tried going to my profile on my desktop browser, to change the email - which doesn't work, since changing the email requires me to login, with that very same verification code. Does that mean I will be locked out of this account? Ntechs (talk) 16:32, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm afraid so. If you no longer have access to the mail, and you are not still logged in anywhere, then there is no way to recover your account. You'll need to make a new one, and you are recommended to put a note on both user pages (the old and the new) explaining that one is a successor to the other). ColinFine (talk) 16:50, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Ntechs is still logged in here. You can mail ca@wikimedia.org. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:01, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, @PrimeHunter: I missed that @Ntechs was logged in - somehow I looked at the signature and saw the figures in the time and date, and thought I was seeing an IP address! ColinFine (talk) 22:27, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Can someone help me with getting my page back up on Wikipedia?

Thanks Pedro 2601:58A:8F02:88D0:5844:1F39:5486:510D (talk) 22:11, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

There's no such thing as "my page" (except, to a limited extent, the userpage of a registered user). What page are you talking about? --Orange Mike | Talk 22:15, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Hey Orange Mike i appreciate your response, didnt mean it was my page like i own it, lol, but it was about me used to have one and now noticed its not there anymore. Is everything here public meaning not a private conversation to help?

Page Pedro Power 2601:58A:8F02:88D0:5844:1F39:5486:510D (talk) 22:38, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Pedro Power was deleted according to Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pedro Power. 331dot (talk) 22:57, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Most Wikipedia business is conducted on Wikipedia, for openness and transparency. Only the most sensitive personal information may be discussed privately. 331dot (talk) 22:59, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Perfect thanks for the reply, but what was mentioned is not true. Its hard to pull up detailed sources from those days, but there is still some sources that provide actual facts on my career and also as a NBA Agent. How do i provide these? 2601:58A:8F02:88D0:5844:1F39:5486:510D (talk) 23:20, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Since the article about you was deleted, there's not much you can do. While not forbidden, autobiographical articles are highly discouraged per the autobiography policy. Also know that there are very good reasons to not want an article here. Nevertheless, if you feel that you can demonstrate that you are a notable person and received significant coverage in independent reliable sources that you can summarize, you could use the Article Wizard to submit a draft. If you do, you should note on the draft talk page that you are writing about yourself. I advise against this, but that is how you can proceed. 331dot (talk) 23:29, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

If there are three sources that each meet all of the requirements of our golden rule, you can post details (as web links or bibliographic citations) here, then undeletion of the article can be considered, so that it can be updated. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:14, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Hello, Pedro. Facts on your career are not enough. Did several people, wholly unconnected with you or your clubs, choose to write in some depth about you, in reliable publications? If the answer is yes, then an article about you may be possible; if no, then no article is possible. At the time of the deletion discussion in 2019, the consensus was that no such sources (or, at least, not enough such sources) existed. ColinFine (talk) 14:05, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

The template Template:Airport-Statistics is broken due to use of the disabled graph extension. It needs to be rewritten to use the chart extension, but I don't know enough about that extension to do it myself. Is there a tag that can be applied to this template to get attention from a qualified editor? That template is used on 1,100 pages so fixing it would be a huge benefit. Funnyfarmofdoom (talk to me) 19:28, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Hi,

I see the categories listed by ABC and I can determine the name order. Like {{DEFAULTSORT:Belgrade 1440}} or custom name order [[Category:Sieges involving Hungary|Siege of Belgrade]]. It is possible to add a custom name for an article in the category page? I would like add dates to the battles.

OrionNimrod (talk) 16:55, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

No, pages are always displayed with their real names in categories. It's possible to make a redirect to an article and place the redirect in a category. Then the title of the redirect will be displayed but this should only be done in special cases and not for your purpose. See Wikipedia:Categorizing redirects#Article categories. PrimeHunter (talk) 17:12, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Could you rename this category as ABC? All sub articles are Hungarian-Ottoman and not Category:Ottoman–Hungarian wars. OrionNimrod (talk) 19:39, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

@OrionNimrod: I'm not sure that you mean. If you want the category to be renamed then you are not allowed to do it on your own. See Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. PrimeHunter (talk) 20:55, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! OrionNimrod (talk) 21:05, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Is there a quick way to ping/notify all editors who participated in a particular discussion, i.e., all who posted in a specific section of a Talk page or notice board? Say there was a prior RM discussion with dozens of entries and I want to notify everyone who participated of a new discussion. I know how to ping using {{Reply to}}, [[User:username]], and @Username from the visual editor. Is there a shortcut for doing this rather than sifting through the old thread to identify each participant and manually entering their usernames? --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 15:03, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

@Myceteae The simplest is probably to use the reply tool (not "edit source"). See Help:Talk_pages#Reply_tool, which shows how to ping users who have contributed to a thread. Of course. if there were dozens of other people, it might be seen as a bit OTT. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:39, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

@Michael D. Turnbull I should have clarified, I'm wondering if there is a way to ping editors who contributed to an old thread within a new thread. Say there was an active discussion months ago that has closed or gone stale. Now there is a new discussion, perhaps on a different page, that is relevant and would benefit from these perspectives. I suppose I could open a reply in the old thread to use the @ dropdown to identify all the users and either place a notice about the new thread in the old thread, or copy–paste the 'pings' into the new thread. Thanks! --MYCETEAE 🍄‍🟫—talk 16:33, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

How can I get a list of articles Foo Jeffrey to populate a new surname page? Doug butler (talk) 21:16, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi Doug butler - do you mean an "intitle" search for articles including "Jeffrey", like this? - Arjayay (talk) 21:24, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

There is already a surname page at Jeffrey (surname), but it may not be complete. TSventon (talk) 21:33, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I created it and have populated it with some of the most common (male) given names, but from experience I have only found 10% of those qualifying. Doug butler (talk) 21:45, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

@Doug butler: intitle:Jeffrey -prefix:Jeffrey omits people with Jeffrey as first name. It's still a lot to go through. PrimeHunter (talk) 21:48, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Quicker than going through my book of baby names (if I can find it — that was 60 years ago) Doug butler (talk) 22:01, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

I noticed that "Mascot horror" is not an article on Wikipedia, so I've been doing some preliminary research on the topic to see if it's notable for Wikipedia. Just based on prior knowledge, I feel like it would be notable, given its popularity in modern online culture. I have found thus far three journals that focus on the topic; however, this is really all I've been able to find that is based on strictly reliable sources. Other sources I've seen include screen rant, game jolt, and other similar websites, but I am unsure if these are considered reliable. It feels like a notable topic, but I'm conflicted with source availability, so I'm wondering if this would be a topic that is considered notable and could exist? SonOfYoutubers (talk) 05:32, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Suggestion, SonOfYoutubers: Here, within this discussion thread, post links to three journal articles (not just journals) that "focus on the topic". A DOI is good enough. If the article is behind a paywall, as most are, then the abstract should be good enough: The DOI should point to it. -- Hoary (talk) 07:42, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Google Scholar has 9 hits for "mascot horror", a term I've never heard before. Many are not in English but in principle if one were so motivated these might become the basis for an article. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:59, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

@Hoary@Michael D. Turnbull I actually did use Google Scholar to find these journal articles, links here: one, two, three, all are open source. The English and Spanish one I can easily interpret since I speak both, but the Korean one would be harder to use, although its abstract is in English and already provides good information. Besides these, I'm having trouble finding sources. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 14:24, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Newspapers.com gave me The Globe Sat, 04 Nov 2023 ·Page 4, which mentions this as a new genre but is not really WP:SIGCOV. That was all there was there. Mike Turnbull (talk) 14:52, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

If that is all you can find, I suggest you read WP:TOOSOON. It may not be time yet for an article here about this topic. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:56, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

See WP:LIBRARY for places where you can find, or get help finding, sources. You may also get help at your local public library (or your school or college library, if you are a student). Remember that paper sources, as well as those found online, can be used. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:44, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

SonOfYoutubers, I looked at those three.

• "one": The journal is La Revista de Estudios sobre Juegos de Rol y STEAM = Journal of Roleplaying Studies and STEAM. I think that the publication is web only (though such a distinction has probably lost whatever meaning it once may have had). Googling "Journal of Roleplaying Studies and STEAM" site:wikipedia.org doesn't show any citation in the Wikipedia of any language. The English-language abstract of this article reads (and I provide it in full): This proposal seeks to establish, show and delimit that transmediality and intertextuality play an important role at the moment of creating narratives in contemporary video games. Emphasizing the increasing complexity (and, therefore, highlighting the differences with conventional narrative structures) that exists in video game narratives and the necessity of interaction and non-lineal configuration in their stories. Perhaps I'm just dimwitted, but I cannot derive any meaning from this. When an abstract is as opaque as this, I rarely bother to look at the body text. Is the (Spanish-language) body text informative?
• "two": In refreshing contrast to the abstract of "one", this abstract is written to inform, and the conference paper as a whole seems to be as well, though I haven't read it. (This isn't a journal article. It's "2025: Conference Proceedings of DiGRA 2025: Games at the Crossroads / Papers". "DiGRA" is the Digital Games Research Association. Though "We thank the anonymous reviewers for their helpful comments" sounds like peer review, so the distinction is perhaps unimportant.)
• "three": This appeared in volume 19 of a journal whose title Google translates or mistranslates for me as Journal of the Korea Knowledge Information Technology Society. I think that the journal is also cited in what's currently reference 21 of Korean phonology. It comes with an abstract that's in some Korean-flavored variety of English; I think I can guess what this means, mostly, but guesswork is of course inadequate. In order to derive anything useful from this article would I think need the help of somebody proficient in Korean.

My multifaceted incompetence (ignorance of games, inability to read Spanish or Korean, dimwittedness) might be to blame, but I'd toss "one" and "three". If doing so means you have to wait some months for material for a decent article ... the article Digital Games Research Association is splattered with templated admonishments; how about improving it? -- Hoary (talk) 23:02, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

@Hoary I read over "one", and the body text does seem to be informative, especially a particular part of it where it gives some qualities that Mascot Horror games have in common with each other, which would be immensely useful for a "definition" of Mascot Horror, similar to the definition section of first person shooter. Perhaps the reason for the abstract seeming opaque is maybe it was translated, but I can't say for certain. "three", I simply cannot derive much from because I, too, don't speak Korean, so I would need help from someone who does. Either way though, taking advice from the others, I likely will pass on this, at least for now, since there just doesn't seem to be enough sources at the moment to write a full article. I don't even think it's a "too soon" thing, I think it simply just doesn't have enough coverage from reliable news networks yet, despite its prominence, so I'll just have to wait. I'll keep it on my radar nevertheless. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 23:19, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

That sounds sensible, SonOfYoutubers. -- Hoary (talk) 23:49, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

My question is: is the website greek-genocide.net a non-reliable source? Especially in the context I used: I used a link to that website to prove that the name "Macri" is/was used as the Greek name for Fethiye. Is it correct that an anonymous editor reverted my edit? Thanks, --Dick Bos (talk) 15:36, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

It's not clear to me. I can't see anything about its staff on the website, which is a red flag. Insofar as it collects resources, they are probably reliable (though often primary); but I'm not sure that any text about them should be so regarded.

I suggest asking at WP:RSN. ColinFine (talk) 16:37, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks a lot for your quick answer. I'll certainly do that! --Dick Bos (talk) 09:26, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

A more general pont, @Dick Bos: when another editor reverts your edit, the appropriate action is not to go somewhere else and ask if people agree with you, but to discuss it with the editor who reverted you (and possibly other interested editors) on the article's talk page: see WP:BRD.

If the other editor won't engage, or you are unable to reach consensus, then further steps are outlined at WP:DR. ColinFine (talk) 17:20, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Done. (my problem was that this was an anonymous editor) --Dick Bos (talk) 09:26, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Regardless, the above advice applies. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:50, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

I am having a problem viewing the logs of deletion discussions that have been closed in a particular way. It happens when I try to view the listing of Miscellany for Deletion via Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion. The page is briefly displayed showing the deletion discussion for Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject/Computer Programming/to do, but then the main MFD page is redisplayed, and the MFD for that page shows up in the Table of Contents, but no longer on the page itself. This also happens when viewing the RFDs for 18 June 2025, if I click on Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2025_June_18#Westlake,_Washington. After momentarily displaying all of the RFDs for the day, some of the closed RFDs disappear from the screen. Is this a misfeature, in which something is trying to help me by hiding the closed XFDs so that I don't see them? Does this also happen to everyone, or have I turned on this misfeature via a preference? Robert McClenon (talk) 16:17, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Using your final link, I see the closed discussion for Westlake Washington at the foot of the (PC) screen, but can scroll up to the many others including the one just above for Returned ticket, which is also closed. I'm using WP:Vector 2022. I have no idea what preference you might have used to suppress this. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:47, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Yes, User:Michael D. Turnbull. I see what you describe for a few seconds. Then it disappears Westlake Washington entirely, and disappears the discussion of Returned ticket except for the note that it was relisted. I am using Monobook. I will try using Vector 2022 and see what happens. I have always been using Monobook, and I know that I only have had this problem in the past few days. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:34, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I just tried switching to Vector 2022. I still have the same problem that it causes certain closed XFDs to disappear. I don't like the appearance as much as Monobook, probably because I have always been using Monobook, so I will switch back to Monobook. The choice of skin does not appear to be what causes this. Robert McClenon (talk) 17:44, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Since I am not getting a quick answer here, I will be asking this question at Village pump technical. I don't think that asking there is forum shopping when I haven't gotten an answer from the first parent. Robert McClenon (talk) 19:31, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

There is someone named 65.93.183.249 (I don't know how to link it) who keeps on writing redirect requests on Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects. They wrote multiple synonyms about "Aptera", but they were making so many different request templates. I saw they make 5! Can you remove this? Or combine them into one template? Or anything else? Rafael Hello! 15:10, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Link is: User:65.93.183.249. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:36, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, but that's not what it is about. Rafael Hello! 15:58, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

@Rafaelthegreat That editor has been quite active creating articles through AfC, which suggests they think they know what they are doing. Their talk page at User_talk:65.93.183.249 has several messages, so you can reach them there, although they won't be alerted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:52, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

@Rafaelthegreat I see no reason why these redirects shouldn't be requested. Someone will in due course either make them or decline them. About half the requests for redirects are declined anyway. Just let it run. Shantavira|^{feed me} 19:29, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I became aware of General Aviation inc. Flight 115 when it was nominated at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion. I wanted to add a link to the National Transportation Safety Board's investigation of this airplane crash, but I found when I went to the NTSB's website that I could not get a "normal" link to the document -- instead, the only link that the website provided, as far as I could tell, was a link to download the PDF. I realize that many users, including myself, would prefer not to download a document without warning, so I added "(Download PDF)" to the link description in the external links section. I didn't see anything prohibiting this kind of link in WP:ELNO, but if anyone knows of a more "normal" link to the document, I'd much prefer to use that instead. Can anyone find such a link? If not, is the existing "download" link acceptable? -- Metropolitan90 (talk) 04:19, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

@Metropolitan90: Some articles use Template:Cite web#Using "format=" to say |format=PDF file, direct download, often followed by a size (search). It's not common and I haven't seen a guideline about the issue. If you found a web page with a link to the PDF then you could also link the page and use |at= at Template:Cite web#In-source locations to briefly say how to get the PDF from there. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:32, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. Unfortunately, the PDF was only accessible (as far as I could tell) from a search result, which would not have been linkable itself. --Metropolitan90 (talk) 15:22, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

hey, so i was wondering how or if someone can color code on my bracket for winners and losers.

the color code would look like this:

Key
. – Eliminated after Atlanta
. – Eliminated after Chicago
. – Eliminated after Sonoma
. – Eliminated after Dover
. – Eliminated after Indianapolis

thanks! Brycenrichter (talk) 00:22, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

This appears to be a very strange question/request, Brycenrichter. You seem to be saying that you're wondering how, or if, someone can do what you are here demonstrating. But perhaps I misunderstand. -- Hoary (talk) 08:08, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

yeah, im wondering if its even possible but basically… Brycenrichter (talk) 13:47, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I've been working on the Xavier Cugat biography. A quite famous subject, there is a surprising dearth of reliable sources and information. Or at least the usual reliable sources (WA Post, LA Times, NY Times etc.) have proven to be error ridden and contradictory, at least the usual obituaries of the subject. Partly it is bad reporting, and partly it seems to be that Cugat self-promoted, embellished, told and repeated stories endlessly throughout his career, such that the historical record is hopelessly confused and often fiction. There are many other sources of a popular nature, given the famous subject (blogs, websites, etc) that recount facts, etc. but are similarly often in error, certainly unsourced, and, well, a little trashy; A LOT of other sources just echo material of the Wikipedia article before I got to it. Even the facts in Cugat's own two autobiographies do not seem to hold up to scrutiny. (e.g., Apparently early on, Cugat played the violin for Caruso...maybe.) The best source seems to be that by an academic Galina Bakhtiarova, who explicitly acknowledges this situation. To address the issue and warn article readers, I am contemplating including an "Editor's Note" at the end of the article's first section warning of the fluidity of the facts and contradictory sources. What do you think of this situation? What do you think of the idea of including such a disclaimer? (I've never seen such a thing in a Wikipedia article.) Bdushaw (talk) 21:19, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for your work! Yes, a tricky case. There aren't usually "editors note"s within articles, but if the subject made various dubious or contradictory claims about themselves, mentioning that in the article is certainly appropriate. Longer explanations on the talk page seem a good idea. Cheers, -- Infrogmation (talk) 22:11, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

It seems a good idea ... but on reflection, not one that's likely to succeed in the medium/long term. Some well-meaning editor is very likely to remove it; and those who think it was constructive might not quickly notice the removal, or have the energy to either defend it or to defend it so overwhelmingly as to crush the (well-meant but unsatisfactory) arguments for keeping it. But how about something on the lines of Pointing out problems such as the implausibility of Cugat's claim[reference to superficially convincing newspaper article] that he [blah blah] and the contradiction with a single study[reference to superficially academic source] in claiming that he [blah blah] despite [blah blah], Galina Bakhtiarova concludes that [damning indictment of meretricious sources on Cugat]? -- Hoary (talk) 23:56, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

While I am here...I have contemplated including the image of the Neptune's Daughter (1949 film) movie poster in the Xavier Cugat article. The image is one of "fair use", which is never quite clear to me what that means. Can the Neptune's Daughter movie poster image be included in the Xavier Cugat article? Is that a proper "fair use"? Such movie posters always include "Xavier Cugat and his Orchestra" in big letters. Thx, and thx for the above suggestions. Bdushaw (talk) 23:40, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Generally no. "Fair use" are generally only used when there is no known free licensed alternative images that can illustrate a subject. They are usually used in just one article, and if used more than 1 place should have an explanation for fair use in each place used. -- Infrogmation (talk) 00:02, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

An image is not "(of) fair use". That's a category error. The use of a particular image in a particular article, if that image satsifies various conditions (irreplaceability, small pixel count, etc etc), might be a fair use. Could the use of File:Neptune's daughter poster.jpg in the article on Cugat be a fair use? Probably not, as it's not about Cugat. However, if, say, the article made a big thing of pointing out that Cugat's name was printed in as large a font as those of the stars, it might be. You'd have to add to File:Neptune's daughter poster.jpg a "fair use" rationale for this additional use. -- Hoary (talk) 00:05, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Bdushaw, I would oppose an editor's note. We simply do not address our readers in Wikipedia's voice in articles. Instead, report the discrepancies between sources and let our readers draw their own conclusions: Something like, "According to the Los Angeles Times, Cugat was paid $50,000 for his performance in the XYZ film, but the New York Times reported that it was $30,000". Galina Bakhtiarova is your friend in this venture. You cannot call Cugat a prevaricator and shameless self promoter. But she can, and you can paraphrase what she says and attribute it to her. Cullen328 (talk) 05:14, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks to you all for your advice - I've been thinking about what to do, and have crafted a paragraph that might work. Happy to have a review of it (middle paragraph of "Early life" section, Xavier Cugat) I enjoy writing biographies - this one has been fun, but entirely challenging to get the facts right, fitting together, and supported. I keep hearing the Wikipedia mantra "...we write what the reliable sources say!", which in this case turns out to be a big mistake! Bdushaw (talk) 05:26, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

what is the error?

<ref name="youtube/omkdv8gz_PM">{{cite web |author1=48south7th |publisher=San Jose Peace and Justice Center |title=Napalm Ladies |url=https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omkdv8gz_PM |via=[[youtube]] |access-date=29 June 2025 |date=12 January 2011}}</ref>

• 48south7th (12 January 2011). "Napalm Ladies". San Jose Peace and Justice Center. Retrieved 29 June 2025 – via youtube.{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list (link)

Piñanana (talk) 04:42, 29 June 2025 (UTC) Piñanana (talk) 04:42, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

See the intro section of Category:CS1 maint: numeric names: authors list for an explanation of what triggered the error and how to resolve it. DMacks (talk) 04:47, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Why does African humid period suddenly throw a bunch of harv errors even though the codicils seem to match? Jo-Jo Eumerus (talk) 12:13, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Picking di Lernia (2022) (permalink) as an example, someone changed the author surname in the (apparently) matching long-form citation to Di Lernia (permalink). Don't do that. Surnames and publication dates must exactly match.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 12:36, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I fixed a few, but there seem to be some missing sources. Common problem with short references. DuncanHill (talk) 12:40, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

@Jo-Jo Eumerus: I am working on fixing the rest. Someone has broken sources by removing the editors names used in the sfns. In others, the order of authors has been changed, but the order in the sfns hasn't been changed. I reiterate, sfn is a lousy system, 99% of the editors who like to use it haven't the faintest idea how to make it actually work. DuncanHill (talk) 12:51, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I have now fixed them all. None were spurious, all were the result of mismatch between the source and the sfn. See here for the changes I made. DuncanHill (talk) 13:01, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

There were no Harv error messages in the 17:46, 20 June 2025 version, so it seems that the subsequent citation bot cleanups caused the current Harv error messages. Chris Capoccia, did you see the recent edit summaries? "Please install User:Trappist the monk/HarvErrors.js and watchlist Category:Harv and Sfn no-target errors to help you spot such errors when reading and editing". TSventon (talk) 13:05, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

I fixed a couple of citation template errors too, by looking back to the edit TSventon linked. See here. DuncanHill (talk) 13:15, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

Am I allowed to respond to edit requests at Wikipedia:Requests for page protection/Edit if I have sufficient permissions to edit the pages requested, or are only admins able to respond to these? Justjourney (talk | contribs) 20:34, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

If you are able to make the edits, and consider the requests are justified, then you should go ahead. Maproom (talk) 22:02, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

On List of LGBTQ members of the United States Congress, there is something wrong with the sub-list "Senate": The information for former Senator Kyrsten Sinema is grayed-out. I can only read it when highlighting the text with my cursor. I think this has to do with the fact that she was both a Democrat and an Independent in the Senate, which caused the Wikitext to be gray-out the page. Because I don't know what exactly what happened, I thought I would ask here. Joesom333 (talk) 21:33, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

@Joesom333: It looked normal to me but there was some unclosed code which may affect browsers differently. Does it loook OK to you after I removed the code ? PrimeHunter (talk) 21:50, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

It does now. Thank you! Joesom333 (talk) 23:54, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

I am formatting a citation with cite web. The article has a published-date and an updated-date. Published Oct 18, 2004, 12:00am EDT Updated Jun 06, 2013, 12:49pm EDT Cite web appears to only have one place to add a date. For the "|date=" field, should I use the published date or the updated date? Is there another recommended solution? I tried searching the help desk archives, but could not formulate a query that returned something useful. Any suggestions? The article I am referencing: https://www.forbes.com/forbes/2004/1018/088.html Thank you Adakiko (talk) 23:09, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

@Adakiko: When I've run into that situation, I've used the date of the updated version in the template, since that's the date of the article as it stood when I read it. An example is the first ref in Leslie Parnas, where the Grove Music Online article was written in 2013 by James Wierzbicki and revised in 2022 by Elizabeth Perten. Deor (talk) 23:23, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

@Deor: Thank you for your advice. I'll do that. Cheers Adakiko (talk) 23:26, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm mainly asking this because, currently, GAN has about 800 articles more or less, so I don't want to waste anyone's (or my) time for something that may autofail. I'm also asking because, even after reading some GAN criteria, I'm still lost and unfamiliar. This is in reference to fishing industry in Peru, a recent article that I made. I spent a lot of time on it as a draft, so I'd like to take it further, but I'm simply unsure if it would have any chance at a GAN, even with the depth of information I have. Would anyone do a quick review and help out? Thank you very much in advance! SonOfYoutubers (talk) 21:36, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't normally involve myself in GAN stuff, but it looks fine to me, from a quick eyeballing. No doubt those more familiar with assessment will find something or other that needs fixing, but meanwhile can I suggest that regardless of whether it is a 'good article' per the criteria, it definitely looks like a good article per normal usage of the phrase. Well done. AndyTheGrump (talk) 21:50, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

@AndyTheGrump Thanks for the compliment! SonOfYoutubers (talk) 23:32, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

You could try Wikipedia:Peer review before making a WP:GAN. TSventon (talk) 22:50, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

@TSventon Thank you for the suggestion, I was unaware of that feature actually. Thank you and done! SonOfYoutubers (talk) 23:32, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

@SonOfYoutubers: I haven't tried WP:PEER myself, but you can see that many of the requests are GAC or FAC related. TSventon (talk) 11:59, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

I didn't do an in-depth look, but I'll give a few notes. Every statement made in the article needs to be supported by a citation at GAN, either at the end of the sentence, or at the end of a few sentences if the citation supports all of them. None of the citations should be simple URLs, each one needs enough information to identify the specific page it's citing even if the link doesn't work. Statista is considered unreliable on Wikipedia and shouldn't be used as a source. The "Related organizations and projects" section mostly describes organizations cited by themselves (primary sources), but ideally anything worth including should be cited to a separate secondary source that describes it; I suggest looking for sources about fishing organizations in Peru and just including the ones they describe. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 00:32, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

@Thebiguglyalien Thank you for the suggestions! I have removed Statista and replaced the info with a better source and also more up-to-date information. As for the related organizations and projects, I'll see what I can do to try to improve that section. SonOfYoutubers (talk) 05:45, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Can you review my requests on Wikipedia:Articles for creation/Redirects? They haven't been reviewed in a long time.Rafael Hello! 23:02, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

A couple still haven't been reviewed. They're dated 29 June. If the temperature in your kitchen is 30°C, then "since yesterday" is a long time to have left your butter outside your fridge. But as they await review, redirect creation proposals don't turn into butyric acid. -- Hoary (talk) 08:44, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

I dont know what it was but it sounds good while reading. Sys64wiki (talk) 06:47, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Samuel Whiting Jr.

I accidently removed the "succession box" at the end of the is page. I have found a reference - which is seen now ref number 1 (identical to ref number 6) at the bottom page to support that Samuel Ruggles succeeded Samuel Whiting Jr. as the next minister of Billerica. Please put the "succession box" back at the end of the page. ALSO reference number 6 is in the red - please fix. Brrowbottom (talk) 01:40, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

 Done. On a not totally unrelated note, this user talk page mentions our policy on logged out editing and use of multiple accounts. I wonder if you have anything to say about that. -- D'n'B-📞 -- 03:56, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

I was about to do some of that, but D 'n' B beat me to it. I read "access-date=3 May 20255" (a considerable distance in the future). Yes, all of this looks curiously familiar. -- Hoary (talk) 03:59, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi! I noticed a lot of the bios related to Wikipedia:WikiProject Electronic literature are missing photos and I would like to ask people to upload photos they've taken of people to Wikimedia Commons. Is there a way to automatically identify all the articles in the WikiProject that are missing photos to motivate people to fill in the gaps? I feel like I've seen this on other WikiProjects but can't find it now. Lijil (talk) 08:30, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Add |needs-photo=yes to the project template(s) on the talk page of the relevant articles (example at Talk:Thomas Bolton (microscopist)).

This will add them to categories like Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of people; you can then search for articles that are in both that and the project category. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:22, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Try this link to a pre-filled Petscan query, is that what you were after? - X201 (talk) 11:35, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

I kind of asked this on the Wikipedia discord server but didn't receive an answer. For National monuments of Singapore, I want to change the width of some of the columns in its list. I've done a trial edit on the "nation monument #" column and I used "! style=max-width:[number]em" per Help:Table/Width. However, it just clips the text in the column header to the column header on its right. I'd like to know how to modify column widths such that it doesn't cause this issue. Thanks! Icepinner (formerly Imbluey2). Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 13:40, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

You may find more expert advice at WP:VPT.

Please use the subscribe feature, rather than expecting other people to do more clerical work for you. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:23, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Got it! (don't ping me per your comment)Icepinner (formerly Imbluey2). Please ping me so that I get notified of your response 12:51, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I have best question ever. Why does Wikipedia suck? Every admin here disagrees with me and everything is so confusing. I am leaving Wikipedia for good. I don't even know why I am editing here. It is a waste of time for me. Rafael Hello! 17:12, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia doesn't suck, you have created numerous draft articles that came nowhere near the advice given in WP:YFA. Also, if you are a new user (your account was created in May 2025) it is best not to create new articles until you have gained more experience with editing.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 17:26, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Sorry, I just don't feel comfortable editing on Wikipedia after all this difficulty. I didn't mean it by it "sucks," I meant it that I don't really belong on Wikipedia anymore. Rafael Hello! 19:42, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@Rafaelthegreat How about you focus on some easier tasks instead of article creation? Wikipedia:Task Center has some fantastic and rewarding things to do to improve existing articles. qcne (talk) 20:09, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello hello les copains,

At the bottom of this page appears the handsome smile of a certainly very important person, whose relation to the article seems questionable. I did not find how to remove it in the wikicode. Hence, cadeau ! Cordialement, et Hop ! Kikuyu3 (talk) 18:24, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Kikuyu3 thank you. The large photo had been added to a template, so I have removed it. TSventon (talk) 18:34, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Could someone an error I created. Elevation entry. Accìden̈tly changed something. DMc75771 (talk) 03:17, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

 Done, DMc75771. Cullen328 (talk) 03:49, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello! In October 2024, Poppy released a double single titled "The Cost of Giving Up / Crystallized", and both songs are from her album Negative Spaces. However, in March 2025, "The Cost of Giving Up" was officially sent to radio as a single. How should this be reflected in her discography page? Should it be kept as "The Cost of Giving Up / Crystallized" (2024) or "The Cost of Giving Up" (2025), and what would happen to "Crystallized"? Gabriella Grande (talk) 19:39, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

Gabriella Grande, you might ask at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Pop music. -- Hoary (talk) 08:55, 3 July 2025 (UTC)

Sorry to be late to the party, Gabriella Grande. My personal opinion is that you should treat the Oct 2024 release and the March 2025 release as two separate entities with two separate entries in the table. This is not based on any written Wikipedia preference that I know of (though there may be one), but solely on my common sense. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 90.210.159.137 (talk) 22:13, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

No worries, and thank you! Gabriella Grande (talk) 19:19, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

How coulf I fix this? bcl:Module:Documentation? Shimin_Ufesoj (🦜) 04:04, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

@ShiminUfesoj You are at the English language Wikipedia, which is a different project from the Central Bikol Wikipedia. You will need to ask there. Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:43, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

The problem is, no one knows how because it's just a small Wikipedia project, not that many people edit it.. I'm just hoping someone can help with this. Shimin_Ufesoj (🦜) 08:41, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @ShiminUfesoj. I'm not very familiar with Lua, but it looks to me as if the call to message() is looking its first argument up in an array called cfg[]. At 144, the call is message ('container'); which means that it is trying to look up the entry cfg['container'], and not finding it.

Array cfg is populated by

mw.loadData('Module:Documentation/config')

My guess (and it's only a guess) is that somebody has copied the lua module over to bcl-wiki, without copying (or, rather, translating) its config file.

I'm afraid I can't help you beyond that. You might find Wikipedia:Lua has something useful, or else ask at WP:VPT. Make it clear in your question that though this is in a different Wikipedia, it's a question about modules. ColinFine (talk) 09:57, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

@ShiminUfesoj: I don't know Lua but the error message mentions cfg.container. Module:Documentation/config sets cfg['container'] and bcl:Module:Documentation/config does not. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:04, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

@Shantavira: Volunteers on English Wikipedia regularly—and very generously—help out with technical issues on other Wikimedia projects. Please bear that in mind in future, when answering such questions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:17, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

--Thank you guys for the help, I found out someone module missing so I'll create that one... --Shimin_Ufesoj (🦜) 00:08, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I see I can see a map and location Battle of Rozgony + London Could you explain how works this? How can I do the same for any location? OrionNimrod (talk) 11:05, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

It's not clear what you're asking; please can you rephrase the question, and elaborate? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:24, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

In the infobox, you can see maps in many articles and red point which marks the location on the map. I do not know how can I do the same or how works this. OrionNimrod (talk) 12:37, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Probably I found it Template:Location map + Template:Location map/List + Module:Location map/data/Hungary OrionNimrod (talk) 13:11, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

Dear All, Can you help me to create page for Polcasan. It's not a commercial nor advertisement . English is not my native language . So,I need your help. Polcasan is a adorable mascot.That why i want to write for him. He is very famous in Thai. Please Help. NMCapri (talk) 11:31, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

You Draft:Polcasan was declined and you seem to have re-submitted it. It will, I predict, be declined again as it has insufficient reliable sources. If English is not your first language, why not try to create an equivalent article in the Wikipedia language you are fluent in? Do not use a chatbot to do so. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:43, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

@NMCapri Please do not remove threads from the Help Desk as you did recently Even if no longer useful to you, the information may help others. Mike Turnbull (talk) 12:16, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

What is the format to request an article deletion? Rafael Hello! 00:34, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

see WP:PROD. Sys64wiki (talk) 00:43, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

@Rafaelthegreat: While WP:PROD is one option, it can be removed by any user – if that gets declined, you can nominate the article to WP:AFD for a more in-depth discussion. You can install WP:Twinkle to make the AfD nomination. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 02:06, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

It’s all about love and kindness. 2601:582:C683:C0C0:FD01:3633:AE97:A0EC (talk) 13:07, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Your question is unclear. Please rephrase it, and say how it relates to editing Wikipedia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:58, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

For the editors of the Article "Untitled Trey Parker Film", I've come to apologize if I did something wrong. I did not mean to spam, but warn users of what was happening. Can it count as spam? Gnu779 ( talk) 13:48, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm only just a learner, a type of user between Newcomers and Experienced ones. I have to learn from these mistakes. I wanted to prevent a big edit war at that article, but the only thing was that... eh... Gnu779 ( talk) 13:49, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Gnu779: I think you probably left too many messages and as I have not looked into the history of Untitled Trey Parker film they don't make much sense to me. You could have posted on the article talk page and WP:Pinged other editors. Bearcat responded to your message by WP:Semiprotection of the article, so you could have tried WP:Requests for page protection instead. TSventon (talk) 14:50, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you, but the thing I was trying was warning the users about what was happening. I've now learned a big lesson. Gnu779 ( talk) 15:15, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

@Gnu779: OK, you've made a mistake. That is to be expected. If you learn from it and don't repeat it, then it shouldn't affect your career as a Wikipedia editor. Mjroots (talk) 09:52, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank God. From now on, when I see events like this, I'll report to protection. Gnu779 ( talk) 15:37, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

I want to nominate a file for discussion, but I can't use Twinkle for some reason, even though I have it, and also cannot edit it to place a template, since it says "View on Commons". RaschenTechner (talk) 15:08, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

@RaschenTechner If the file is hosted on Commons, it has to be deleted there. See c:Commons:Deletion_policy for the options. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:13, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

... you can, of course, edit any article in which it appears to remove it from display in that article. Explain in your edit summary why you are doing so and prepare to be reverted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 15:16, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't know if I have the required user rights on Commons to do so or if I will get blocked by an edit filter for "temporary sockpuppetry" as a false positive. RaschenTechner (talk) 15:27, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm replying to your first comment, not your secont one. RaschenTechner (talk) 15:28, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

• second one

RaschenTechner (talk) 15:28, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Only admins on Commons can delete files there. To set that off, you have to propose the file for deletion in the various ways the page I linked explains. To give you more advice here it would help if you named the file in question and why you think it needs to be deleted. Mike Turnbull (talk) 16:48, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

I meant that I don't know if I have the required user rights to request deletion. RaschenTechner (talk) 17:19, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

No user rights are required to request deletion on Commons. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 17:20, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

I wanted to make a afd called Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Rapolas because I wanted to merge it with Raphael (given name). Most people said "keep" because it is a name page. Many people, mainly User:ExRat said it so rudely too. So I decided to make an article called draft:Rafael (name page) that was also a cognate of Raphael (given name) but it got declined because it could be merged with Raphael (given name). This makes no sense. Please someone do something about this. Rafael Hello! 16:33, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

I see zero rudeness in ExRat's comments. I see someone who posted comments disagreeing with you, strongly, using multiple wikipedia guidelines and similar bases, and asking questions about your position. That sounds like a pretty standard way that people discuss or debate an idea based on the idea's merits. I see that you have had many article-drafts declined and are facing strong opposition for other proposals you have made. I recommend you take their concerns to heart rather than keeping doing the same thing and expecting different results. If you think someone is behaving poorly, the very first step is to discuss it directly with them, being sure to state exactly what words they used that you felt were a problem. DMacks (talk) 16:39, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

If you wanted to merge two articles, you should have proposed a merger, not a deletion. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 18:17, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm one of the !voters who voted against your proposition. The names are simply too different. Your draft got declined because there are already numerous Rafaels listed in Raphael (given name)#Rafael, though either keeping them together or splitting them off is generally considered acceptable. (Also, the disambiguation "name page" is non-standard.) In fact, I will do the split, since there are separate dab pages, Raphael (disambiguation) and Rafael. Clarityfiend (talk) 00:10, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

I have added a hat-note using {{For}} to the existing article for the novel Stone and Sky, pointing to Rivers of London (book series), which now includes a novel of the same name. I feel that a 'reverse' hat-note (from Rivers... to Stone and Sky) would not make sense, as the new Stone and Sky is only a small item in the whole article. Is there an appropriate note that can be added to the Rivers... article, perhaps at the point where Stone and Sky is listed? -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 18:37, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Verbarson. I can't see the point of this. The purpose of a hatnote is to say "If you came here looking for Y instead of X, this is where you'll find it". But I can't think of any circumstances in which somebody will be looking in Rivers of London for the other Stone and Sky. ColinFine (talk) 19:27, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

@ColinFine:, you are probably right. I'm too concerned with cross-referencing everything. We haven't even got an article on at least one other novel of the same name by Z S Diamanti (no author article either). -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 19:39, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

While having the search tool display multiple options as I typed in a Muslim historical name, I was wondering what the longest string at the beginning of an article name that isn't Unique? For example, I know it is at least 18 since both George Washington University and George Washington Carver start with the same 18 characters. I *guess* this could be done with repeated database queries looking for a substring with count > 1, but that seems ugly. Any ideas how to get that information?Naraht (talk) 10:55, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@Naraht: Cneoridium dumosum (Nuttall) Hooker F. Collected March 26, 1960, at an Elevation of about 1450 Meters on Cerro Quemazón, 15 Miles South of Bahía de Los Angeles, Baja California, México, Apparently for a Southeastward Range Extension of Some 140 Miles. with a period at the end was moved back to Cneoridium dumosum (Nuttall) Hooker F. Collected March 26, 1960, at an Elevation of about 1450 Meters on Cerro Quemazón, 15 Miles South of Bahía de Los Angeles, Baja California, México, Apparently for a Southeastward Range Extension of Some 140 Miles without the period. That left behind a redirect which doesn't qualify but I found it amusing. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:38, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Wikipedia_records#Title length suggests that another (rather boring) candidate is an article starting Lopado­temacho­selacho­galeo­kranio....etc. and its redirect. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:47, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

2025 Wimbledon Championships – Women's singles (46 characters) and 2025 Wimbledon Championships – Women's singles qualifying are the longest article titles I could think of but there are probably many longer. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:49, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Beach volleyball at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's qualification and Beach volleyball at the 2024 Summer Olympics – Women's tournament gives 55. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:56, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

The longest pair of mainspace non-redirect titles are American Society of Cinematographers Award for Outstanding Achievement in Cinematography in an Episode of a One-Hour Television Series – Commercial and American Society of Cinematographers Award for Outstanding Achievement in Cinematography in an Episode of a One-Hour Television Series – Non-Commercial at 137 characters. Next-longest is a set of three at 130 characters, Golden Reel Award for Outstanding Achievement in Sound Editing – Sound Effects, Foley, Music, Dialogue and ADR for Non-Theatrical Animated Long Form Broadcast Media, Golden Reel Award for Outstanding Achievement in Sound Editing – Sound Effects, Foley, Music, Dialogue and ADR for Non-Theatrical Documentary Broadcast Media, and Golden Reel Award for Outstanding Achievement in Sound Editing – Sound Effects, Foley, Music, Dialogue and ADR for Non-Theatrical Feature Film Broadcast Media. —Cryptic 12:03, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Is it just me, or have all the helpfully obvious CS1 maint error messages, that were in bright red, recently turned green and lost themselves among the redirects in references? Can I do anything to make them stand out again? -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 12:46, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

cs1|2 emits messages in two colors: error messages and maintenance messages. If bright red was ever used for message coloring, it was a long time ago. There have been no recent changes to cs1|2 respecting message color.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 13:40, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

@Verbarson: Redirects are blue like normal links by default. You change them to green in User:Verbarson/common.css. You could pick another color, or change color of CS1 maintenance messages like this:

.mw-parser-output span.cs1-maint {color: pink;}

Or just add color: pink; inside {...} of your existing cs1-maint code. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:10, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter and Trappist the monk:, thank you for your information and advice. It is probably the case that I have seen CS1 error messages in the past which have set my expectations, but I'm currently dealing with a large batch of CS1 maintenance messages which subvert those expectations. I will probably change the colour for the maintenance messages as suggested. Thanks again. -- Verbarson  ^talk_edits 14:59, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

I created this article The Green Tie on the Little Yellow Dog some months ago. It has never been reviewed/approved, and I wonder how I could ask for this to be done? It doesn't appear on Google searches and I presume that this is because it is still not officially approved in some way. Thanks, Bosmeor Bosmeor (talk) 16:47, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

@Bosmeor The logs show that it was reviewed in May. My advice would be to make a minor edit to it, since search engines tend to notice that and can now index it. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:17, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks a ton, that seems to have done the trick! Bosmeor (talk) 09:01, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Why Hasan Akhund is always acting indefinitely with no removal of such label? @ChildrenWillListen 180.252.114.59 (talk) 04:59, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm not sure what you mean by this, but if you're asking me why I reverted you edit, it's because of your edit summary combined with the fact that wikilinking Acting isn't the right thing to do there. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 05:09, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Alright, I think I figured out what you want. In English, the word acting when used as an adjective means that the person is currently assuming the role of someone, in this case as the Prime Minister of Afghanistan. It does not mean that the subject is an actor, as in someone who acts. I hope this helps. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 05:15, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

The afghan pm is no longer acting anymore despite nearly four years of experience. 182.253.58.236 (talk) 05:34, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

@ChildrenWillListen 182.253.58.236 (talk) 05:40, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

That's not what that word means in this case. In this context, it means that the person is currently assuming the role of the Prime Minister of Afghanistan, which Hasan Akhund is. I can try to provide an exact translation into your native language if you are inclined. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 05:41, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Never mind, your edits suggest that you are trolling. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 05:43, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

yes i admit that. The problem is that the statement about hasa akhund is an acting pm of afghanistan but not outgoing still irritates me because after nearly 4 years of experience he is still acting with no possibility removal of such label. @ChildrenWillListen 182.253.58.236 (talk) 05:48, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

That's not a Wikipedia problem. Also, trolling can get you blocked from the project, please stop. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 05:53, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't see any trolling; OP has edited the article in good faith, regarding this matter. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:02, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I based my accusations on this edit. They also admitted to trolling in the reply above. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 15:26, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Given the entirety of the comment, I read that admission as a reply not to your accusation of trolling, but to "it means that the person is currently assuming the role of the Prime Minister of Afghanistan, which Hasan Akhund is".

The diff you link to appears to show a good-faith attempt to add a missing external link, on an article about a website. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:34, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

The IP has been blocked now. 🧙‍♀️ Children Will Listen (🐄 talk, 🫘 contribs) 17:46, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

It is possible to hold a position on an acting basis for some time- Jane Swift was acting governor of Massachusetts for almost two years because that US state has no provision to actually fill a vacancy in the office of governor. 331dot (talk) 11:07, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

We don't make such decisions; we go by what reliable sources say. If you can find a source that says Akhund is no longer acting (but has been appointed or elected to the role in full; or left it), then the article can say so.

Until and unless we have such a source, your change cannot remain. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:08, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Moved from Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab) § Machine Translation Cross-checking?

 – Aaron Liu (talk) 02:01, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

The Future I Saw has {{AI-generated}}, which it does –a Mainichi Shimbun headline translated. I had used DeepSeek, ChatGPT, and LMArena and simply chose what was to my eyes the most informative, comprehensive one. Given the innate subjectivity, what would be best practice? Including the best two, three, or four? kencf0618 (talk) 01:55, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Translating a headline imho isn't a big enough issue for an article-level cleanup banner, although it is best if someone fluent in Japanese can double-check it. Citing ChatGPT as a source for the translation isn't needed. Chaotic Enby (talk · contribs) 01:59, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

@Peetel Was the machine-translated headline the only reason you added the LLM tag? If so, that tag is usually and was created for substantial portions of the article's text being AI-generated, not for foreign-language sources being machine-translated, especially not just a headline. Aaron Liu (talk) 02:03, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

I added that based on the unabridged chatgpt citation, I assumed a wide section was LLM generated. Apologies if this is wrong, feel free to remove. Peetel (talk) 08:42, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Saurashtra Update Weekly Newspaper has been published regularly for the last 10 years and its owner, printer, and editor are Mr. Isabhai Hussainbhai Darvesh (Yusufbhai), 2409:40C1:100A:EEBC:7427:C2FF:FEF7:910F (talk) 10:13, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a database of things that exist. There are criteria for inclusion, which we call notability. A Wikipedia article about a newspaper or any business must summarize what independent reliable sources with significant coverage have chosen on their own to say about it, showing how it is a notable organization. Writing a new article is very challenging, and it's harder even with a conflict of interest and paid status as you would have with your newspaper. 331dot (talk) 10:18, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

There is a proposal to merge the first two, but what about the 3rd one. To me, it looks like it describe exactly the same thing.

I'm not sure how to propose to merge all 3 into one. jcubic (talk) 15:14, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

There might be a better way, but I suggest just starting two different merge proposals, which would allow the two proposals/articles to be better discussed independently. GoldRomean (talk) 15:36, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

I’m wanting to test the Wikipedia tabbed browsing feature that was added a bit ago on the iOS app. Is there a way to forcefully enable it even though I’m not in one of the testing groups? From D0nk M3m3s (talk) 20:36, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

Only way it is to possibly create a new account and delete the app but not sure if it will work Isla🏳️‍⚧ 00:21, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

I usually create draft pages in my sandbox. But can someone remind me how to create a draft page so that it shows anyone else who tries to start a page with that name that there's already a draft. (nb. I'm not trying to go through AfC.)

Is it that you get that option if you click an (existing) link for the uncreated page?

Thx. MmeMaigret (talk) 05:22, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

@Mmemaigret It's best to follow the procedure at Wikipedia:Articles for creation. Shantavira|^{feed me} 07:16, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm an experienced editor. I asked if anyone knew how to replicate a specific function. Is there a reason you chose to give me unsolicited advice that specifically ignored my proviso. I mean, I could understand if the answer is "that is only possible to do using AfC". MmeMaigret (talk) 08:19, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

You solicited a reminder, MmeMaigret. In response, Shantavira gave you good advice. -- Hoary (talk) 08:41, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

In other words, you don't know how to do it either? MmeMaigret (talk) 08:58, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

I believe that happens when there's a draft in the draft namespace. You can use that namespace without using AfC. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 08:51, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks heaps. MmeMaigret (talk) 08:55, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Otch Cherilus is a 6'3 class of 2025 recruit he plays the guard position at PG/SG, he's known for his ability to shoot the ball, explosiveness to attack the rim, elite court vision Otch plays with precision which he averaged 17ppg ,5.2 apg his senior year he also committed to Georgia Tech during May of 2025 where he will go on to play his guard role for the the team he also had 28 offers with other big schools like Auburn, Texas A&M , and UCF the Wellington FL, Guard is league bound and also has got recognition from former NBA player Brandon Jennings. Funfact Otch attended Oak Hill (VA) for 2 months around may of 2023 for Basketball. Another Funfact Otch also has relations to Auburn Basketball star Tahaad Pettiford. Another Funfact about Otch he has a long wingspan measured at 6'9 he also wears a size 14 in basketball shoes. 172.58.129.47 (talk) 04:32, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

This is a page where people can ask for help editing (or reading) Wikipedia. If you're asking for help, then help in doing what? -- Hoary (talk) 07:58, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

I know how to access the page views of articles, but I'm interested in seeing what the most viewed pages that are not in mainspace. The reason why I am asking this question is because I am thinking about proposing WP:Contents for removal from the sidebar, but I'm wondering if the reason why it has the page views it has is because it is easily accessible on the sidebar. I don't really see a point in having a directory of articles when you can just search for articles especially since there is no directory for biographies. Hope you can help. Please ping me when you respond. Interstellarity (talk) 00:59, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@Interstellarity: I only know https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/topviews. Disable "Show only mainspace pages" and write wikipedia: in the search field to see currently four pages in the overall top-1000. file: also gives four but I doubt it's human views. help: and portal: give one. PrimeHunter (talk) 08:40, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter Thank you. I'll look into it. Interstellarity (talk) 12:11, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Biographies are under Wikipedia:Contents/People and self. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:48, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Kevin Prudente. Kevinnnx93 (talk) 23:52, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@Kevinnnx93 What about it? Do you have a question? How can we help you? ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 23:55, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

I clicked on the edit button and didn't understand any of what showed up. Can you better explain it to me, please? 66.186.109.202 (talk) 23:57, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

First off, ip, are you and @Kevinnnx93 the same person? If so, please try to only edit logged in so that we know who we are talking to and so that you get notifications when someone replies to you.

Second, it would help to know with a little more specificity what it is you don't understand, and if you are using source editing or visual editing.

I'm going to hazard a guess that you are editing the source code and don't understand the markup. The easiest way to switch between editing the source code and editing a what-you-see-is-what-you-get version is to click the pencil icon in the top right corner, which lets you toggle between the two. Select "visual editing" and you may be better able to understand what is on the screen. That said, I would recommend trying to get a feel for wikicode if you plan on sticking around.

Let me know if that helps. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 00:05, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

In the mean time, I'm going to move the page Kevin Prudente to your userspace. It is not currently in any condition to be in the encyclopedia, and in your userspace you can play around with it at your leisure. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 00:08, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Kevinnnx93 Kevin Prudente Answer — Yes Kevinnnx93 (talk) 00:07, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

@Kevinnnx93 You can now find it at User:Kevinnnx93/Kevin Prudente. ~ ONUnicorn^{(Talk|Contribs)}problem solving 00:09, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

In an attempt to add Myka Relocate to 2025 in heavy metal music using Songkick and Eventbrite as references, I have been reverted twice. Would evidence of concerts performed by the band not be sufficient to prove a reunion, even if those sources cannot be the ONLY references in an actual article? Also, I have linked this discussion from three different talk pages. Is there any way that I can get more eyes on this section? --Jax 0677 (talk) 23:21, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Jax 0677, you have discussed the issue on the article's talk page. Let's hope that those who reverted your edits, TheSickBehemoth and SirZPthundergod9001, respond there. Maproom (talk) 07:50, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

I have produced an article in my sandbox User:Jhessler/sandbox

and would like to know how to move it along---there is no "move" button visible in my tools.

Thanks Biomap (talk) 09:00, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

You have linked to a draft posted to the sandbox of another account- do you operate both accounts? New accounts cannot directly create articles(this is why you can't see the Move button). Typically a draft is submitted via the Article Wizard from Draft space, the preferred location for drafts. We can move it to draft space for you. 331dot (talk) 09:03, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

That would be great if you could move the draft forward Biomap (talk) 09:10, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Biomap I will; do you operate both accounts? (which then would beg the question as to if you are the scientist) 331dot (talk) 09:13, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Now at Draft:John W. Hessler. 331dot (talk) 09:16, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

The usual advice regarding WP:COI, WP:BOSS and WP:FAMOUS applies here. Also, in its current form, this would not come anywhere near being accepted as an article. See WP:YFA for more advice.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:29, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Name of teacher and journalist whose biography was published in 2019 entitled, " She Roared in Classroom 250". 2603:8081:50F0:81E0:45C:8A81:C22C:6E7F (talk) 22:12, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't even know if this is an assertion, a question, or something else. Anyway, do you have a question about (or are you asking for help in) using Wikipedia? (That's what this page is for.) -- Hoary (talk) 22:36, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

I am a professor of fish biology at a university, where I teach an upper division class on Fish Biology. Each year, 150 students will write original species accounts, including biology, life history and taxonomy of a fish species. Last year, we wrote these up as Wikis and posted them to Wikipedia. It was a great project that really improved the Wiki resource for the public, and allowed the students to improve scicomm skills. However, there was much frustration from students about the difficulty of using correctly cited images from the scientific literature. I could use guidance on how we can use scanned images from journal articles, which was difficult even when we used open source material, correctly cited. I also had a sense that fish editors were frustrated with the number of changes and additions that were being made. Is there a way I can work with editors to anticipate this effort and reduce confusion? Thanks. N. Mercedis (talk) 08:45, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

However, there was much frustration from students about the difficulty of using correctly cited images from the scientific literature, can you cite those material here, the images your students used? What caused the frustration?

You can not add scanned images without giving authenticity of publisher or creators of the material, also,such as their consent from their part that they are allowing you to publish it. Even if you have created those inages by your own consciousness, there is some clarification that are still required. Though, due to lack of any historical references, I am quite confused from your question.

As you said, the reasearchs were performed by your students, which classifies Original research, which is often condemned if not backed by verifiable sources.

I also had a sense that fish editors were frustrated with the number of changes and additions that were being made. A mature response for this would be that "its very classic thing". Wikipedia, with quite large amount of edits, often changes its article content from time to time, time spanning within minutes to year. so if your students' edits were removed or were dumped under new edits, that's expected.

Please answer if that's what you meant. Kangarooblock 09:34, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

The problem with using images is copyright. Wikipedia generally needs images to be under licences that allow free re-use for any purpose, including commercial. If your students wish to take their own photographs and upload them to Wikimedia Commons under a suitable licence, then great. Other than that, use images already uploaded to Commons. Mjroots (talk) 09:46, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

..or use images that are already under an acceptable free licence per c:COM:L. These typically include images from open-licensed scientific papers, or with an open licence on sites like iNaturalist (note that not all of their images are under open licence).

If OP or their students are not sure whether a particular image or set of images are suitably licensed, ask at Commons:Village pump/Copyright. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:19, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@Kangarooblock: Where does N. Mercedis say "reasearchs [SIC] were performed by [their] students"? They say nothing about edits being rejected for being poorly cited, and refer quite clearly to using "open source material, correctly cited" for media; why do you suppose that they do not do so for text? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:47, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@Sys64wiki: - and please fix your sig so that it displays your username. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:55, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

i think your consciousness tells you I am bit confused by op question but I tried to explain him as much as possible. Kangarooblock 15:31, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@N. Mercedis, have you read WP:Student assignments? There's good guidance there for educators. Additionally, if your university is located in the US, you're probably eligible for the Wikipedia:Education program, which provides extra support to instructors and students. That includes providing structure that helps other editors understand that there's a student assignment involved. -- Avocado (talk) 13:19, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

You may also find Wikipedia:WikiProject Fishes useful. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 13:21, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@N. Mercedis: Thanks for your efforts. -Arch dude (talk) 14:10, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@N. Mercedis: Copyright law is very restrictive, and we follow the law. The complexities are not somethin we made up: they follow from the law, and they really impede all of us. If the image is from a journal, we cannot in general use it. The hassles of getting a journal image under a suitable copyright license are likely too much for a student project. Your student might be able to get the original author of the journal paper to upload an original image to Wikipedia. If the journal published the image under a suitable open license, then the mechanics are still a bit complicated but are reasonably easy to handle if you use the Wikipedia:File upload wizard. If it's too cokmplicated, put a linmk to the free image into the talk page of your new article and ask for help. -Arch dude (talk) 14:10, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@N. Mercedis: Articles on Wikipedia will be modified by other editors. This is fundamental to the Wikipedia philosophy and is radically different from the way science has been published in the past. If you are trying to teach students to produce papers for journals, then this is not for you. Instead, set up a web site that you can control and do not allow random editing. Your students can publish there with no interference. If your site runs the same Wikimedia software we use here, your students can easily copy their work from that site onto Wikipedia. Our "anybody can edit" philosophy has worked for 20 years and has resulted in by far the largest and (arguably) best encyclopedia that has ever existed. I hope you urge your students to monitor changes to the articles and discuss those changes on the article's talk pages to reach consensus with the "meddling" editors. -Arch dude (talk) 14:10, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@Arch dude: I see nothing in N. Mercedis's post which suggests they were "trying to teach students to produce papers for journals", or edit Wikipedia in "the way science has been published in the past", or that they are complaining that other people have edited their students' work. Their students are welcome to contribute to Wikipedia. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:40, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@Pigsonthewing: I inferred this, possibly incorrectly, from "I also had a sense that fish editors were frustrated with the number of changes and additions that were being made. Is there a way I can work with editors to anticipate this effort and reduce confusion?" In any event, the students must learn how the Wikipedia "anyone can edit" philosophy is supposed to work. They should not be trying to change the behavior of all of the other editors. -Arch dude (talk) 15:45, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Where is "anyone can edit" contradicted? The students are "anyone"; they edited, some other people didn't like that.

If those other editors are being unreasonable, why not try to change that behaviour? Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:56, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Regarding using images from published works, see c:Commons:Uploading works by a third party. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 14:51, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Andy with all respect I don't think you are supposed to act too smart and don't respect others contribution. Even if they are not dancing telling them to dance appropriately doesn't mean I am supposed to shoot myself, is it?

Also "Each year, 150 students will write original species accounts, including biology, life history and taxonomy of a fish species" refers to the fact he meant research that his students conducted and nothing I told him is useless or unilateral. Please for god sake behave like an experienced editor. Kangarooblock 15:28, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

It does not; and I'd rather be "too smart" than "not smart enough". YMMV.

I can barely parse most of your post; it appears to be gibberish. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 15:59, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Also I am free to use sigs as long as they are not hateful or censored words. I appreciate your intelligence. Kangarooblock 15:29, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

I want to second the advice from Avocado, to read WP:ASSIGN, and to make use of WP:Education Program. I see from your user page that you are at UC Davis, so as an instructor in the US, you are entitled to, and should definitely make use of, that program. It will be very beneficial to your students. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:17, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, Tryptofish! Yes, N. Mercedis, please do reach out to us at m:Wiki Education Foundation, at teach.wikiedu.org. We offer free support, just like you're requesting here, and would be happy to help you and your students. --LiAnna (Wiki Ed) (talk) 20:46, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

I was editing Małgorzata and I wasn't able to find a guideline for {{infobox name}} (e.g. where to write etymology, pronunciation...) and how to write pseudonyms (e.g. pipe tricks or not) in these lists. Could you help me?-- Carnby (talk) 04:41, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

@Carnby The full parameter list for the template is at the link you provided. It has examples in the documentation that you can follow. The parameters for the etymology are a combination of origin and derivation parameters whereas pronunciation is an individual parameter. You can use "what links here" on the template page to find more examples than are listed on that page. Mike Turnbull (talk) 17:36, 7 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, but must we write two times the surname pronunciation and etymology or only once? Is there a guideline about how to write pseudonyms in lists (i.e. with pipe tricks or not?)-- Carnby (talk) 04:42, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

books 41.122.131.205 (talk) 08:40, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Ask your local librarian? What books are you looking for? 331dot (talk) 08:42, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Or try a bookstore (or clarify your question). Shantavira|^{feed me} 08:44, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

WP:Unusual requests. Starfall2015 ^{let's talk} _profile 08:45, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

If you want them for editing Wikipedia, see WP:LIBRARY for places where you can find, or get help finding, sources. You may also get help at your local public library (or your school or college library, if you are a student). Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 10:59, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Is it possible to reduce frequent changes being made by multiple editors that keep inadvertently introducing significant factual accuracies where precision is required

On a fast evolving page, well meaning and often mostly helpful edits are being made, but in doing so the precise, accurately referenced wording is being changed so that it becomes erroneous. Sometimes this is changes made by users who have simply made assumptions themselves about the facts (and even more or less admit it), sometimes it's using lower quality sources that are inadequately accurate, often it is changing wording without realising that they are changing the meaning and the difference is legally very important. Overall the page relates to a contentious issue so is subject to single revert per day restrictions and is Extended confirmed protected. Since legislation has a definitive governmental reference to cite, there is no doubt at all about its wording, but editors make changes without the significant effort of reading the referenced legislation and multiple times over in a few days the changes have also deleted the references when they change the wording. It is extremely time-consuming gently and politely restoring legal accuracy to this section, and the changes are being made so frequently that correcting it risks breaking the 1RR. It's an important source of information for people needing to find a quick summary of what can and can't be done without breaking newly imposed and very serious offences, so maintaining accuracy is important. This part of the article is not the contentious content, and mostly the contentious topics are being successfully edited with reasonableness and a degree of discussion to resolve differences of opinion without edit warring. The difficulty I am having is maintaining the accuracy of the non-contentious part. Politely explaining the corrections is usually sufficient to dissuade the same editor from immediately reintroducing the same error, but within a few hours another factual error will have been introduced by an editor.

Is there a way to add extra protection to a part of an article?

Thanks SciberDoc (talk) 11:10, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

It would help to know which article you are talking about- but if you can make a case that extended-confirmed is insufficient protection, you may ask for admin-only protection at WP:RFPP. 331dot (talk) 11:27, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Presumably Palestine Action, which would also come under Wikipedia:Contentious topics/Arab–Israeli conflict editing restrictions. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:50, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I know that there have been at least 2 cases of full-protected articles, so I have a little idea. Each time someone protects an article so that only certain users can edit it, the admin needs to go and update a page which says:

x semi-protections x EC protections x full protections

where x is the number of protections at this level. Starfall2015 ^{let's talk} _profile 08:29, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Such a requirement is news to me......where is that written down? 331dot (talk) 08:42, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

In this post. I'll make the page in my userspace and link it in my next post. Starfall2015 ^{let's talk} _profile 08:44, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

@Starfall2015: Do you mean an all-time count which includes expired protections? Here are the currently fully protected mainspace pages. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:58, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

That's done automatically, it doesn't need to be manually done by admins, a time consuming endeavor. 331dot (talk) 11:04, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I know - I will rebrand it as a stat watch using the magic words.

As of this post, there are 7,154,886 articles on the English Wikipedia. Starfall2015 ^{let's talk} _profile 13:06, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

 Courtesy link: Draft:John B. Friedman

Hello! I'm creating a Wikipedia page for an author I've worked with in the past. It's in my sandbox. Many of the articles he wrote were print and are now difficult to find online references to. Will it be okay if I don't have a citation for every single one? When I'm ready will I be able to move this to it's own page so it's public and not in my sandbox? Thanks! Lbirdsall (talk) 20:57, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

@Lbirdsall: You shouldn't be citing anything he wrote anyway. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 21:13, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Also, see the comments in the section #What is the minimum needed for my wiki page? - many of them apply here. --CiaPan (talk) 21:16, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Fixed the section wikilink above. --CiaPan (talk) 20:49, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

There are major issues here, Lbirdsall. Three lesser ones: (i) No need to SHOUT. (ii) Italicizing is easy. (iii) Very few books have "forwards" (although I have spotted one or two); many have "forewords". But please don't despair: your proposed subject does merit an article. -- Hoary (talk) 22:36, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! I need to do a formatting pass, but I'll definitely address these :) Lbirdsall (talk) 13:24, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I could try answering a question, Lbirdsall. You don't need an independent source for a claim that such and such an article was published. As an example, “Harry the Haywarde and Talbat his dog: An Illustrated Girdlebook from Worcestershire,” in Carol Fisher and Kathleen Scott, eds., Art into Life. Collected Papers from the Kresge Art Museum Medieval Symposia (East Lansing: Michigan State University Press, l995), pp. 115-53. provides evidence for its own existence. However: (i) It's not as helpful as it could be. The book surely has an ISBN; please provide it. If the paper has a DOI (less likely), provide that too. (ii) It's unusual for an article about an academic to be equipped with a list of their papers (as opposed to their books). Better just to list the papers that are most widely cited or otherwise unusually important. (iii) If this is copied from somewhere (and "l995" looks like an OCR error), the source should be acknowledged. -- Hoary (talk) 02:18, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

In addition to the above, some other points: Concentrate on providing citations for each statement in the prose parts of your draft, describing the subject's life. It will not be published without them!

For lists (numbered or otherwise), use the tool in the editing panel, don't number (or bullet) them manually.

What does the initial " B." stand for?

Pay attention to the errors showing on your existing references.

I've added a {{Reflist}} template. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:25, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi - I am trying to make edits (add new book and new podcast plus some references) to my professor's wiki page... every time I make the edits, someone deletes them. Can you advise? Kirstiehepburn (talk) 11:17, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Kirstiehepburn Hello and welcome. Your account edit history indicates you haven't edited Paul Dolan (behavioural scientist) since 2021, but an IP edited it the other day- if that was you, remember to log in when posting. Those edits have been restored.

You should disclose a conflict of interest if you are editing about your professor. If they are giving you class credit for your edits, that would be considered paid editing that needs to be disclosed as well. 331dot (talk) 11:23, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi - I work for him - it isn’t a class credit scenario. Thank you for your help. Noted on conflict of interest declaration. 2A02:C7C:D37D:2D00:AC58:9E69:35E7:ED56 (talk) 11:25, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

If you work for him, that is also paid editing, and you MUST comply with our policy on such. You may find WP:BOSS and WP:About you useful. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 11:28, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Again, please log in when posting, so your posts are properly attributed to you. 331dot (talk) 11:35, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Kirstiehepburn. Whether or not you count as a paid editor, you clearly have a conflict of interest, and should not therefore be directly editing the article, but instead should raise edit requests, so that an uninvolved editor can make the decision.

Several of your edits added external links, which are almost never acceptable in text. One linked to a search result, which are not acceptable as a citation. ColinFine (talk) 14:14, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Ladies and gentlemen, I have a request. The following link lists the visitor numbers of all museums worldwide. If you look at the ranking, something is mixed up or incorrectly programmed. The visitor numbers are not correctly listed in the ranking. I would be very grateful if someone could fix this. Thank you very much for this and for your voluntary work. 

List of most-visited art museums. TOOBWI (talk) 13:12, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

@TOOBWI: What you linked is an older revision of the article. You can find the current revision at List of most-visited art museums. Is the problem still present in the current revision? -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 13:18, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

yes i think so, look after 26. 117.237.4.84 (talk) 13:28, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, I see it now. You can sort the list by rank by clicking the "Rank in 2024" heading, (that should probably be the default sorting here) but there are still other problems with this article. Some ranks are seemingly missing. Also, the section and table headings both mention 2024, yet some of the numbers actually in the list are from 2023. This article certainly needs some attention from an interested editor. -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 13:43, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Link fixed. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 16:20, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Why are US politicians called American? America is North and South of which the US is a small part. 2001:8003:482E:8B00:B8C4:542B:FF7B:D2B8 (talk) 11:54, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Please see Americans for the answer to your question, "Americans are the citizens and nationals of the United States of America", which includes politicians. 331dot (talk) 11:58, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't live in America or have anything to do with it in recent time but from historical references, I think you might be confusing "American" with American islands or more politically put "The Americas", which are continents. American is a term used in United States of America, because no other country in the very continent despite many similarities uses America in anywhere in its formal title, so US proudly takes the term for itself and its citizens. More importantly since Usians or Unitedian does not seems a good word to specify nationality they used American which seems to be more logical and resembles classic naming term such as Russian for Russia and Indian for India, and is not just used by politicians but whole population that live their with US citizenship.

For example Spanish speakers sometimes say "estadounidense" to refer. And also, because this is very old term.

PS that's what my historical knowledge says. [[User:Sys64wiki|Sys64]] (talk) 12:47, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

We Canadians, the Mexicans, etc. do not like to be called Americans, most especially these days. Also, we don't refer to USSR politicians either. Clarityfiend (talk) 22:50, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

how to reset the listen to my topic in my watchlist? Brublancc253 (talk) 22:45, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

if you meant to remove watching an article, simply go to the article page and untick the star or watch this page. if by topic you mean "stopping receive notifications from an ongoing discussion", look for subscribed in the same discussion paragraph near the tile and click unsubscribe. [[User:Sys64wiki|Sys64]] (talk) 04:51, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Dear officer pls advise on how to have proposed deletion comment/s on page ? 103.51.163.126 (talk) 06:33, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

To clarify, what i mean is to get rid of deletion comment/s on page ? 103.51.163.126 (talk) 06:34, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

What's the page? —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 06:47, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Presumably Tan Chin Hwee, which is being discussed at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tan Chin Hwee. {The poster formerly known as 87.81.230.195} 94.5.172.125 (talk) 08:02, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

If you're asking about the article Tan Chin Hwee, then: (i) Improve the article, by citing reliable sources, independent of the subject and of each other, that say a lot about him. (ii) Mention (concisely, and just once) in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tan Chin Hwee that you have improved the article. (iv) Participants in the AfD, or enough of them, will decide that the article should survive, and the AfD will be "closed as keep" and the template(s) will be removed. -- Hoary (talk) 09:09, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Bill Cook and Ron Herzman

I am probably in the wrong place with this, as I mainly edit over at WP:DE and don't know where to bring this to attention in WP:EN. The issue is that this article mixes two persons. It was probably written as kind of an advertisment article for The Great Courses as to give a CV for both professors that have created an audio course for this series. The commercial aspect of the original article has been removed here. I think the article should be forked, but don't have the time to do it. Is there a place at WP:EN to raise this issue? Thanks in advance Blausonorisch (talk) 07:34, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Blausonorisch, there's very little in the article about Herzman. (I do not deny that he's notable. I simply haven't even started to investigate the matter.) Currently William R. Cook redirects to Bill Cook and Ron Herzman. I suggest reversing the redirect (for which you'll need the help of an administrator) and revising as necessary. Herzman will thus lose his half of an article; but (sources, energy, etc permitting) anyone would be free to create a proper, informative article about him. However, wait a little and see if you get a better suggestion (it's been a long day and I'm sleepy). -- Hoary (talk) 09:23, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

DiGard Motorsports

I'm thinking yes. If you think so too, then please do so. Looking for 2nd opinion. Guroadrunner (talk) 09:46, 10 July 2025 (UTC) (I have been sporadically involved in editing/maintaining this article about an old NASCAR team.)

If you are thinking, then its wrong thinking, because I dont think, and nobody else will, that there are enough citation there. If you have not done already, read WP:Citing sources, to refresh you memory, cheers! [[User:Sys64wiki|Sys64]] (talk) 09:59, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Many paragraphs and the whole section DiGard_Motorsports#The No. 22 Miller car and Bobby Allison are still missing cited sources. I have removed the wikilink from the header here and placed it below where you had the URL, User:Guroadrunner. Mike Turnbull (talk) 11:21, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

I notice that there are a lot of pages titled incorrectly as "100 metre freestyle" which goes against MOS:SUSPENDED instead of the correct "100-metre freestyle" which is standard grammar and how the Olympics themselves write it. Obviously, this would be a time-consuming process to do manually. Is there an automated tool to speed it up? Valenciano (talk) 08:58, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

No. [[User:Sys64wiki|Sys64]] (talk) 09:41, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Valenciano: Don't make mass moves without discussion. There are thousands of articles. I suspect the titles were chosen for a reason and there would be opposition to moves. My searches of olympics.org give more results without a hyphen. You can post to Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Olympics. If there is consensus then you can post to Wikipedia:Bot requests. PrimeHunter (talk) 09:59, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

PrimeHunter forgetting the hyphen is one of the most common mistakes in English these days, up there with spelling "their" as "there" or putting a grocer's apostrophe in possessive "its", so I suspect it's been a mistake that's been duplicated over time, but ok, I'll raise it at the Wikiproject. Valenciano (talk) 11:55, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

I need some help Sam's video (talk) 20:29, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

What help are you seeking? It would help to know the article or page involved. 331dot (talk) 20:32, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

What page do you need help with editing? CoconutOctopus talk 20:32, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Sam's video.

This might not look like the help you are asking for, but:

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 21:17, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I already learned how Wikipedia works using the tutorial, I need to create my first article Sam's video (talk) 09:22, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Sam's video Please follow the Wikipedia:Article wizard qcne (talk) 10:44, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

I have left some useful links, on your talk page. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:49, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello - I work for Clean Oceans International. Our current Wikipedia page is very outdated and we tried to change it yesterday and were blocked. We need someone to change it and we don't care who that is, as long as the information is correct. Who can we get to edit our page? We have the language we would like to use. All we want to do is update some of the information and take out some information and all references since they are outdated. I had to ask this question anonymously (not signed in) because the Wikipedia page won't even let me ask a question since we are "blocked". This makes it extremely frustrating to get our questions answered. We don't want to promote anything other than correct information about our organization. Can you please help? 2601:647:CE82:7DD0:5DD4:9C49:C93B:848E (talk) 19:55, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I would suggest that you create an account, make the required paid editing disclosure on its user page, then you may make a formal edit request(click for instructions, or use the edit request wizard), detailing changes you feel are needed. Please propose incremental changes, one at a time, not a wholesale rewrite, as this will increase the chances a volunteer will invest time in reviewing your requests. 331dot (talk) 20:07, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello. You were mainly blocked because your chosen username represented an organisation. Please read the explanation in the blue box on User talk: Clean Oceans International, and comply with the instructions there.

Having changed the name (or created a new account with an acceptable name), and made the mandatory paid editing disclosure, you are welcome to submit edit requests for changes to the article.

Bear in mind that Wikipedia wants the article to be accurate according to reliable and mostly independent published sources, but your preferred working is not necessarily Wikipedia's. Wikipedia has little interest in what the subject of an article says or wants to say about themselves, or what their associates say about them. Wikipedia is almost exclusively interested in what people who have no connection with the subject, and who have not been prompted or fed information on behalf of the subject, have chosen to publish about the subject in reliable sources. If enough material is cited from independent sources to establish notability, a limited amount of uncontroversial factual information may be added from non-independent sources. ColinFine (talk) 20:09, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for this information. The explanation and instructions on the User talk: Clean Oceans International are confusing, hence us coming to this forum... So - we can make an edit request on our own behalf? As long as we follow what you said above?

We don't want to break any rules, we just want the information to be accurate - with wording that represents COI accurately and would love for people that have no affiliation with us to be able to understand what it is we do and represent.

But, we will look into your suggestions and try that way - thank you for your time! 2601:647:CE82:7DD0:B0C9:4780:9E0A:B389 (talk) 22:25, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

You can make requests on the talk page of the article about your organisation. See Wikipedia:Edit requests for more. You may use Wikipedia:Edit Request Wizard to generate such requests. Andy Mabbett (Pigsonthewing); Talk to Andy; Andy's edits 12:54, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello again. The first thing you must do is to stop using that account - which you have done, but it's best if you either change the name on that account or (since it has only two edits in its contribution history) abandon it and create a new one. The blue box tells you how to do either of those things, and gives some information about acceptable names.

Then once you've renamed the account or created a new one, you must make the mandatory declaration of your status as a paid editor on your user page - that link tells you how to do so.

Once you have done both of those, then you may make edit requests for changes to the article. It helps if your request is very specific "Please add X after Y" or Please replace Z by W in the section headed "A". Getting your request acted on will depend on a volunteer editor seeing it and deciding to look at it, so keeping it simple and precise will help (don't try and make multiple changes in an edit, unless they are all clearly part of the same issue).

Finally, for anything you want to add, it is much more likely that an editor will comply is you cite a reliable published source - and, for the most part, a source entirely unconnected with COI.

Note that, as this is an encyclopaedia, we are just as interested in the past as the present. If some information in the article is out of date, we won't necessarily remove it: we may just change the tense to the past. (But we might: if it's routine information eg about personnel, then unless the people are notable in their own right or did notable things with the organisation, there may be no encyclopaedic reason to keep them in the article.

I hope that helps. ColinFine (talk) 12:55, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Draft:Sooban Talha

i would like to know why my draft Sooban Talha is being rejected 1234sooban1234 (talk) 16:22, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

• 1234sooban1234, that draft is highly promotional and on a non-notable person, and I think you wrote it about yourself. Also, note the sentence "While he has built a modest following, there is currently no coverage by independent or mainstream media sources"--that last part, there is currently no coverage, means we can't have an article on it. Drmies (talk) 16:25, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

  thanks.

  i will try my best to create real articles. 1234sooban1234 (talk) 16:39, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@1234sooban1234: No sources, no article, no debate. We can't cite random YouTube videos or any social media. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:25, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi, I had professional headshots and to make a business profile during SXSW March 2025 in Austin,Texas at the Wikipedia House. I have yet to recieve any updates on when it will be live? Belivelyco (talk) 19:45, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Your account has no edits other than this one. Can you link to the draft? (perhaps you made it while logged out) I will note that we don't have "profiles" here, not a single one. We have articles. 331dot (talk) 19:50, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

If somebody took pictures of you for Wikipedia, I would think you would need to contact that person. I'm pretty sure that Wikipedia provides no such service.

The fact that you talk about "professional headshots", and a "business profile" makes me wonder if you have been scammed by somebody claiming that they could create a "profile" for you. Please see WP:SCAM. ColinFine (talk) 20:03, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

ColinFine Is there any way to see if Wikipedia had an official booth at SXSW? 331dot (talk) 20:05, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I have no idea - I had to go searching to even find out what SXSW was. But even if it did, does that sound like the kind of service that would be provided by Wikipedia? ColinFine (talk) 21:19, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I checked the website, there didn't seem to be anything official Wikipedia/-media-related. Scam it is... -- Maddy from Celeste (WAVEDASH) 21:48, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

@ColinFine and others, see https://www.wikiportraits.org/, Category:WikiPortraits at SXSW 2025 and Amateur photographers hope to fix Wikipedia's 'terrible' pictures. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:44, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you @Gråbergs Gråa Sång. Obviously I, like others commenting here, had never heard of this. So the headshot is likely to be real. But @Belivelyco also talks about "make a business profile". That doesn't sound like anything sanctioned by Wikimedia. ColinFine (talk) 13:43, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

It does not. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:12, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

WikiPortraits organizer here -- indeed, we had a photo studio at SXSW for both outreach and to capture notable people for Wikipedia, as part of the broader WikiHaus where we hosted panels, an edit-a-thon, etc. with the WMF and affiliates. But no "business profile" or anything of the sort was offered. The most we did was teach people how Wikipedia works and how articles are made. Likely a misunderstanding. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 16:45, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Belivelyco Are photos you're asking about here?: Category:WikiPortraits Studio at SXSW 2025 Note that there are several pages. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 12:53, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes for Wikiportraits. Thank you! 2603:8080:D800:477:E8F6:FBB5:51A:AB95 (talk) 15:31, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

While most photos have been uploaded, note some photographers are still finishing their uploads so some may still be missing. ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 16:45, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@SuperHamster Per independent coverage, I think it would be fair to mention (and redirect) Wikiportraits somewhere in mainspace. Do you think it fits at Wikimedia_Foundation#Affiliates? Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 16:59, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Gråbergs Gråa Sång: We are funded through WMF grants, but are not an official affiliate (yet). We plan to apply at some point, but I know the affiliate application process is going through some changes right now. If you think a redirect is appropriate, our main wiki page is at commons:Commons:WikiPortraits. I just set up Wikipedia:WikiPortraits as a redirect. Thanks, ~SuperHamster Talk Contribs 17:09, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@SuperHamster I added something at Wikimedia_movement#Thematic_organizations. We'll see what happens. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 17:31, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

I have done all of the hard work, maybe too much, now I have to get references which are hard to find due to not much press. I just want my fans to know who I am and what I'm doing now, I have recorded 4 records, many singles and now have a music podcast show in Las Vegas and in my 89th Episode.

So my question is what is the minimum to get started and I will add the references along the way?

Thanks, Dean Von, Dean Von Music Media -- Deanvonmusic (talk) 17:06, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

@Deanvonmusic: The minimum requirement for a Wikipedia article is that the subject must be notable, by our definition, not yours. If you are not notable, then we cannot have an article about you. See WP:AMOUNT. -Arch dude (talk) 17:22, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Dean, please have a read of WP:MUSICBIO, especially the first one. "Has been the subject of multiple, non-trivial, published works appearing in sources that are reliable, not self-published, and are independent of the musician or ensemble itself." The links that you are adding are to your social media, YouTube etc. If you are notable then other people will have written about you, but a quick google search here turned up nothing for me. I see that others have already told you this so I'm not sure why you're asking again.

Furthermore, regarding your comments here regarding "censorship", Wikipedia is a private website. We are not a web host and have no more obligation to host your biography here than you would have an obligation to host me if I visited Nevada as a tourist. Valenciano (talk) 17:25, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi, Deanvonmusic! I am afraid you made several common mistakes.

• You created a Wikipedia page about yourself — although it's not forbidden, it is strongly discouraged here, because such pages almost never meet Wikipedia standards. Please see WP:YOURSELF for detailed explanation.
• You created a Wikipedia page for your fans for them to know who you are — this is what we call self-promotion here at Wikipedia, and it is strictly forbidden by our policy. Please see WP:SELFPROMOTE for more info.
• You created a Wikipedia page WP:BACKWARDS by writing on the subject (that is, yourself) first before finding WP:Reliable sources to establish notability of the subject. By the way, please note Wikipedia has its own definition of 'notability', described at WP:NOTABILITY, and it is must-know before you create of substantially modify any article at Wikipedia.
• You created a Wikipedia page without familiarizing with Wikipedia rules and requirements, so the page doesn't meet criteria for a Wikipedia article. As a result, it has no chance to get accepted and published in main space in its current shape.

This is very discouraging, I know. Please don't feel crushed, many Wikipedia users experienced something similar in their beginnings. If I may suggest you next move, just leave the page as it is for now, step back and browse through the links I posted above.
Also, see again the blue-and-green message that User:KylieTastic posted at your Talk page last November. Section Getting started links to some most important information, necessary for each successful Wikipedian. Good luck! --CiaPan (talk) 18:07, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

"I have done all of the hard work, maybe too much, now I have to get references". That is a classic case of trying to create an article backwards. Unfortunately, you haven't even started on the hard part of the work. Maproom (talk) 08:12, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I have put a spamusername block on this account, as his talk page reveals a belligerent determination to commit promotion and autobiography, meanwhile declaring that he is not committing autobiography and promotion. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:53, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

I removed TPA as he doubled down on his disruptive attacks. I almost feel like he was creating entertainment for himself and his fans. It's very interesting how someone can say they aren't promoting themselves and then go on to say how they will promote themselves. 331dot (talk) 19:51, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Where do I delete drafts? Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 16:40, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Rafaelthegreat: If you created the draft yourself, {{db-g7}} is your friend. Otherwise, you'd take it to WP:Miscellany for deletion or wait for the draft to time-out. —Jéské Couriano v^_^v ^{threads critiques} 16:51, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Hello, Rafaelthegreat. If it is your draft and you are the only significant contributor, then please follow the advice at WP:G7. If it is someone else's draft, why do you want to delete it? Only administrators can actually delete pages, but you can request deletion based on the specific circumstances. Cullen328 (talk) 16:54, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

No @Cullen328, I am not deleting someone else's draft. But thanks for for the advice! Rafael! (He, him) • talk • guestbook • projects 19:55, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Drafts that meet a WP:CSD can be tagged as such. Otherwise you can always list them at WP:MFD. However, because drafts are automatically deleted per WP:G13 after six months of inactivity and because there exposure is so minimal, it is usually best to simply do nothing. So sure if it is eligible for G7 feel free to tag it as such, but otherwise it should most likely be ignored. 204.111.137.20 (talk) 18:09, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

We are interested in correcting the title or name of our organization’s Wikipedia page — what are the potential steps of doing so? Pmckay2126 (talk) 12:48, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Pmckay2126.

If you are a employee (or volunteer or intern) at the organisation, then Wikipedia regards you as a paid editor if you make any edits in respect of an article about or connected with the organisation: this means that it is mandatory for you to make a formal declaration on your user page - see the link above for how to do this.

Once you have made the declaration, you may request edits to the article - you should not edit the article directly.

For edits to the content, you should make edit requests on the article's talk page. Changing the title of a page is called moving the page, and usually you would post at requested moves; but because of your conflict of interest, I recommend that you still raise an edit request.

Please note that Wikipedia uses the common names of entities, rather than their official names. This means that if your organisation has changed its name recently, but most or all of the independent reliable sources on which the article must be based still use the old name, then we would probably not change the name of the article - though it could certainly have the new name in the lead section of the article, and could also have a redirect from the new name to the old. ColinFine (talk) 13:12, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Pmckay2126 If you tell us what WP-article you want to change to what new title, someone here might do it (I assume your org-website will hint this is a good idea). You can also suggest this at the article talkpage, but there is no guarantee anyone will see it. Another option is asking on this page: Wikipedia:Requested moves. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 13:12, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for your response and insight!

All of that info is extremely helpful.

I am an employee at Credible and hoping to help the organization change its title from Credible Labs to simply Credible.

wikipedia.org/wiki/Credible_Labs

https://www.credible.com/

How difficult do you foresee that change being? Pmckay2126 (talk) 13:24, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Ah, right. Should be straightforward, except that, as Arch dude says, it's not the most obviousl thing people would be looking for, so I think it should be moved to Credible (company) or something like that.

A more significant problem I see is that looking through the sources, I didn't notice any which were all three of reliable, independent, and containing significant coverage of the company (see WP:42). Most of the news reports were routine business reporting of financial offers, acquisitions, and the like. Without several sources which meet all the criteria, the article does not establish that Credible meets Wikipedia's criteria for WP:NCORP ColinFine (talk) 13:51, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

And now I look, Credible (company) exists, and is a redirect to Credible Labs. So I'm going to put in a Move request - but I still have doubts as to whether the article is adequately sourced. ColinFine (talk) 13:54, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you for the insight, @ColinFine, and all of the help. It is all very much appreciated! Pmckay2126 (talk) 14:41, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

@Pmckay2126: Sorry, but Credible is currently a redirect to credibility, and I feel that your company's name is not the most common use of the word. We can and should change the redirect into a disambiguation page. -Arch dude (talk) 13:36, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the insight, @Arch dude. Pmckay2126 (talk) 14:40, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

I have requested a move to Credible (company), currently a redirect --ColinFine (talk) 14:03, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Excellent! Thank You very much, @ColinFine. To confirm, the URL would be Credible_(company)?

Also, is the _(company) appendix common for organizations?

Appreciate all the help. Pmckay2126 (talk) 14:43, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

The requested move is at Wikipedia:Requested moves/Technical requests. If successful the Wikipewdia url will end with Credible_(company). The _(company) appendix is fairly common for organizations, but most company articles don't need an appendix. TSventon (talk) 15:06, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Pmckay2126. It's called a disambiguator - see WP:TITLEDAB. Where there are several articles about things (or people) with the same name, all (or sometimes all but one) of them have a term added in parentheses, just to distinguish them.

Arguably, this shouldn't have it, as we don't have an article called "Credible", only a redirect; but as Arch dude explained, people searching for "Credible" are most likely not looking for your company.

The article would greatly benefit from the addition of some sources where somebody wholly unconnected with the company has chosen to publish information in significant depth about the company. Can you suggest any such? ColinFine (talk) 16:52, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, @ColinFine. We understand why a disambiguator for “credible” would be necessary and also why there may be issues with using the URL “credible” since our brand is also a commonly used word.

It would be great if the “credible”redirect could be removed and we could move our page to that URL — especially since it isn’t being used; however, the second-best option would be credible_(company).

We appreciate all your help. Pmckay2126 (talk) 17:59, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

The redirect has been used 546 times in the last year but we cannot say whether they were looking for Credibility, Credible Labs, Monetary policy credibility, or something else. PrimeHunter (talk) 19:55, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

• I have completed the requested move to Credible (company). I have no opinion on other things in this discussion thread such as the quality of the article's text. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 20:23, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

please send invite 38.122.223.18 (talk) 21:47, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

What event are you talking about? GoldRomean (talk) 21:48, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Meetup shows two events July 12, in San Diego and San Francisco. Your IP address is in San Francisco so I wonder whether you are referring to Event:Bay Area Wiknic 2025. It has a "Register for event" button. PrimeHunter (talk) 23:58, 10 July 2025 (UTC)

I was looking at a page, Construction of Berlin Brandenburg Airport, and there seemed to be an attempt at a proposed deletion (PROD) because the article is largely a stand-alone duplicate of the main article's construction section. But the actual text of the PROD template was improperly pasted with nowiki tags, resulting in it showing up as plain text as follows:

{{subst:Proposed deletion|concern=The content of aticle is as it is available on the main article on Berlin Brandenburg Airport > Construction. This is page is nothing but just another copy from the original article.}}

It's the latest edit to that article, and it's been live since May, far more than the 7 day period for most PRODs. I've been wondering what happens next in this case, with my mind jumping between:
- Delete the incorrectly formatted PROD template text without replacing it with a proper PROD, and
- Replace the incorrectly formatted PROD template with a proper one

I could see replacing it with a speedy deletion template, though because this was originally PROD-ed there may be enough contention here.

Thanks in advance for your input! MooseMike (talk) 04:52, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@MooseMike: - I'd replace the incorrectly formatted PROD with a correctly formatted one. Mjroots (talk) 09:28, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

2011 Pará state division plebiscite contain use dmy dates. lead section and Plebiscite development section has dates in mdy format and all others are in date month format. does an editor required to change all dates per template in article except in references, infoboxes, etc.? jiki (talk) 08:34, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Yes, if dmy dates are in use, it should be consistent throughout the article, including in references. Mjroots (talk) 09:26, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

However, WP:MOSDATE allows yyyy-mm-dd to be used for archive-date and access-date in references irrespective of any DMY or MDY direction for that article, and those should not be changed. -- 92.21.137.132 (talk) 09:55, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@Kiji-Jiki Note that the template documentation says After an article is tagged, periodic script runs clean up formats, correcting any new introductions since the last edit using the script, and updating the tracking date parameter in the template, so there is a bot that should handle the changes needed for consistency if a human editor doesn't notice which type of format is supposed to be used. There is another subtle change that the template fixes for readers. For example, if a reference uses |date=2022-05-19 in an article with the use dmy dates template, a reader will see 19 May 2022 in the references section even though that isn't used in the underlying code. Mike Turnbull (talk) 09:59, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I'm translating Private Music (Album) into French, but I cannot seem to add the album cover into the french infobox. How do I do that? Uncognic (talk) 02:32, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't know how much help us here at enwiki would be with regards to stuff on frwiki, I'd suggest asking on frwiki. Aydoh8^{[what have I done now?]} 02:33, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Uncognic, fr:Wikipedia can't employ files hosted by en.Wikipedia. (By en:Wikipedia I do not mean Commons. It's not at Commons for a very simple, copyright-related reason.) You cannot add the album cover there (which is why you also won't see it at pt:Private Music (álbum) or ru:Private Music). There's no point asking at fr:Wikipedia or anywhere else. But if you have further questions about an article in fr:Wikipedia, please ask there. -- Hoary (talk) 04:41, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Uncognic. To explain a bit more about Hoary's reply: the aim of Wikimedia projects is to provide a resource that may be freely reused by anybody for any purpose, so Wikimedia Commons accepts only freely-licensed materials.

Because it is often so difficult to find freely-licensed images, English Wikipedia allows non-free images in certain cases, as long as they comply with a strict set of criteria. Such images must be uploaded to English Wikipedia, not to Commons. The image in question is one of those.

Some other language Wikipedia also allow non-free images, but not all. It seems to me that French Wikipedia does not - see fr:WP:PDE. ColinFine (talk) 11:35, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Hey all, I want to make a medal table for FIFA U-20 World Cup, FIFA U-17 World Cup, FIFA U-20 Women's World Cup, and FIFA U-17 Women's World Cup, the same way as shown in CONCACAF Gold Cup records and statistics for example. But the countries now have to link to the men under 20, men under 17, women under 20 and women under 17, so the templates used for men, "fb", and "fbw" for women don't work here. What are the correct templates? PeruvianCocaine (talk) 11:42, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PeruvianCocaine: See {{fbu}} and {{fbwu}} . PrimeHunter (talk) 12:02, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Thanks! Hm, I tried them out but it doesn't look like they can be used in tables because they create errors. PeruvianCocaine (talk) 12:08, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PeruvianCocaine: I don't see any attempt to use them in your saved edits. If you tried a preview then did you remember the age parameter? If you want more help then save your broken code somewhere so we can see what goes wrong. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:31, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: I tried it and used "Show preview" so you can't see it. But I'll try it again at FIFA U-17 Women's World Cup. Please check it. I tried using "fbwu" as a template but it doesn't work. If you use "fbw" it does work. PeruvianCocaine (talk) 13:49, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PeruvianCocaine: I see the problem now. {{fbwu}} has an age parameter but {{Medals table}} doesn't have a way to pass it on for |flag_template = fbwu. I made a wrapper template {{fbwu17}} which doesn't itself have an age parameter and that works. But a bunch of wrapper templates for gender-age combinations doesn't seem like a good solution. I will ask if {{Medals table}} can get en extra parameter. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:28, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Ok, thank you so much for your help! Much appreciated. I reckon you suggest I'll wait with creating the tables? PeruvianCocaine (talk) 14:31, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PeruvianCocaine: Yes, I suggest waiting to see if there are replies a Template talk:Medals table#flag_template with age parameter. {{fbwu17}} works for now so you don't have to remove the already made table. PrimeHunter (talk) 14:44, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@PrimeHunter: Ok, thanks. PeruvianCocaine (talk) 14:46, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I moved a lot of text to Health effects of electronic cigarettes from Electronic cigarette. Is there an easy way to repair the cites as it would be a lot of effort for me to do it manually? Chidgk1 (talk) 11:51, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

That's a very good question actually and there is a nice trick for it. Why don't you use source editors and copy not just fact but refs too that are written in front of the piece. Like this

Napoleon was born in Corsica in 1769.<ref>Some Source</ref> [[User:Sys64wiki|Sys64]] (talk) 12:57, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

I do use the source editor when merging Chidgk1 (talk) 15:20, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

how can this be amended? It states " Kingsway College of Further Education (later known as Westminster Kingsway College), which was a community and vocational school for students with difficulties" which is not true. FE colleges are simply post school educational facilities which include vocational education. They usually include some special needs provision but this is usually small by comparison to the size of the institution. the govt website states "Further education (FE) includes any study after secondary education that’s not part of higher education (that is, not taken as part of an undergraduate or graduate degree). Courses range from basic English and maths to Higher National Diplomas (HNDs)" 62.30.13.19 (talk) 14:29, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi, have you tried bringing this up on the article's talk page? Perception312 (talk) 14:45, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I've removed the wording "which was a community and vocational school for students with difficulties". DuncanHill (talk) 15:30, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

DuncanHill, thank you. The removed text was a poor summary of the Guardian source, so it made sense to remove it. TSventon (talk) 15:49, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I publish a area code for town in el Dorado Co California somehow it now the edit preview. Kys.... DMc75771 (talk) 15:53, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

kybu DMc75771 (talk) 16:42, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

DMc75771, your edit has been reverted. You were trying to add Area code 856 which is an area code in New Jersey to Kyburz, California. Please explain why. Cullen328 (talk) 17:06, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Can I get help with login pin number for application process Matswenyego (talk) 17:46, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

It's not clear what you're asking - what application process are you having trouble with? CoconutOctopus talk 17:47, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

how to delete account 24bozz (talk) 18:41, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

It's not possible to delete an account, as legally all edits must be attributable to someone. You may stop using and abandon your account. If you intend to never return, an account in good standing may be vanished. 331dot (talk) 19:05, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi all, I've noticed that all the hundreds, if not thousands of tournament pages seen on List of association football competitions use different names for headers. It's mainly about 3 ones. For example, what do you call this table:

More information Rank, Team ...

Rank	Team	Part	Pld	W	D	L	GF	GA	GD	Pts
1	India1	14	62	39	15	8	108	38	+70	132
2	Maldives	12	50	25	11	14	98	52	+46	86
3	Bangladesh	13	46	18	12	16	52	47	+5	66

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It's called "Overall team records" on most pages but I've seen people use "Summary" or "All-time table" too. It's a points system so maybe something like "All-time points records" or something would be better?

More information Nation, Champions ...

Nation	Champions	Runners-up	Third-place	Fourth-place	Semi-finalists
India	9 (1993, 1997, 1999, 2005, 2009,[a] 2011, 2015, 2021, 2023)	4 (1995, 2008, 2013, 2018)	1 (2003)	–	–
Maldives	2 (2008, 2018)	3 (1997, 2003, 2009)	2 (1999, 2021)	–	4 (2005, 2011, 2013, 2015)
Bangladesh	1 (2003)	2 (1999, 2005)	1 (1995)	1 (2021)	3 (1995, 2009, 2023)
Afghanistan*	1 (2013)	2 (2011, 2015)	–	–	–
Sri Lanka	1 (1995)	1 (1993)	–	1 (1997)	3 (2008, 2009, 2015)
Nepal	–	1 (2021)	1 (1993)	2 (1995, 1999)	3 (2011, 2013, 2018)
Kuwait3	–	1 (2023)	–

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^This one is usually called "Teams reaching the top four" but what's the default name? And lastly:

More information Team, Total ...

Team	1993	1995	1997	1999	2003	2005	2008	2009	2011	2013	2015	2018	2021	2023	2025	Total
Bangladesh	×	SF	GS	2nd	1st	2nd	GS	SF	GS	GS	GS	GS	GS	SF	Q	13
Bhutan	Not part of SAFF				GS	GS	SF	GS	GS	GS	GS	GS	×	GS	Q	9
India2	1st	2nd	1st	1st	3rd	1st	2nd	1st	1st	2nd	1st	2nd	1st	1st	Q	14
Maldives	×	×	2nd	3rd	2nd	SF	1st	2nd	SF	SF	SF	1st	GS	GS	Q	12
Nepal	3rd	SF	GS	4th	GS	GS	GS	GS	SF	SF	GS	SF	2nd	GS	Q	14
Pakistan	4th	GS	3rd	GS	4th	SF	GS	GS	GS	GS	×	SF	DQ	GS	Q	12
Sri Lanka	2nd	1st	4th	GS	GS	GS	SF	SF	GS	GS	SF	GS	GS	DQ	Q	13
Former team(s)
Afghanistan3	Not part of SAFF				GS	GS	GS	GS	2nd	1st	2nd	Part of CAFA				7
Guest teams
Kuwait4	×													2nd	×	1
Lebanon4	×													SF	×	1

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^This one is usually called "Comprehensive team results by tournament", is it the correct name?

For examples, please see National team appearances in the FIFA World Cup, Africa Cup of Nations and SAFF Championship.

Consensus about these should be reached to avoid future conflicts, because one person might use this and another one uses that and in my opinion it doesn't look very professional if it's all different but mostly, it's easier for everyone if we just stick with defaults. Now pages are constantly being changed because there's no consensus and everyone changes it to what he likes. Can there please be reached default settings for this? PeruvianCocaine (talk) 16:02, 11 July 2025 (UTC) PeruvianCocaine (talk) 16:02, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello @PeruvianCocaine. That sort of consensus is reached by being discussed at an appropriate place, where interested editors are likely to see it. I suggest WT:WikiProject Football ColinFine (talk) 19:54, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Am I correct that the citation tools that the source editor has on desktop are not available on mobile? How are people adding citations on mobile without manually typing the full templates? Thanks! Helpful Cat -talk- 02:23, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Not quite correct, Helpful Cat. See Wikipedia:Enable_mobile_version for instructions on switching your mobile to desktop mode. Maproom (talk) 08:17, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks! Yeah, what I meant is that the citation tools aren't available in the mobile version. But switching to desktop mode on mobile is a good idea. Helpful Cat -talk- 11:57, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

For anyone else who sees this: I realised that citation tools are available in the mobile visual editor, so another option is to add citations via the visual editor, then switch back to the source editor to add a ref name. (Unfortunately the Wikipedia:Citation expander gadget doesn't seem to appear on mobile either, even though it can be activated in mobile preferences) Helpful Cat {talk} 20:38, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I created Template:Full stop thinking it would work, but Template:Dot is a middle central dot, so I don't know what to do. In Template:Hatnote group, full stop dots don't appear when needed, such as here, after Template:Main, for example. But there were other templates that needed dots that I noticed. Web-julio (talk) 02:01, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

One problem is that not all hatnotes are actually sentences. The ones that are already do have a period, but the ones that aren't do not have a period. MOS:CAPTION has some guidance about punctuation when combining sentences and sentence-fragments. So either each hatnote needs to detect whether it needs a period based on determining whether it is in a hatnote-group or hatnote-group needs to detect whether each hatnote has a period and add one if not. DMacks (talk) 02:44, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@Web-julio: That template name is confusing. Many English speakers use "full stop" to mean a "period". {{Full stop}} is currently a redirect to {{·}} and should either be renamed to better reflect its purpose; or simply deleted as {{dot}} and {{middot}} already exist for the same purpose. Bazza 7 (talk) 08:47, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@Web-julio: I agree. May I delete it as an author request? It could also be converted to actually produce a period but I don't know use cases where you couldn't just write a period without a template. I have posted to Template talk:Hatnote group#Any way to get punctuation? PrimeHunter (talk) 11:01, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I requested. But I thought there existed, so it could be retargeted. Web-julio (talk) 23:07, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

I want to made a correction about a page on Wikipedia about an online university. The information is wrong and outdated.

Please let me know how I can provide you the updated info.

Actually Washington International University is one of the pioneer modern academic learning system that started in the United States, which is a common methods by most Universities in the U.S and Europe nowadays.

The programs offered by this university were highly academic assigned with a highly experts/ professors. Students had to finalize their study programs with academic learning material, books, researches and the final Thesis.

There are innumerable high level leaders from around the world who studied in Washington International University and received their degrees.

I would like to contribute a longer article and updated information about the positive side of Washington International University. Please let me know how I can do that and and how you or I can edit old page on Wikipedia about this university.

Here is the page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Washington_International_University BestCiel (talk) 06:49, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Just a basic question, are you somehow related to this particular university? If yes then you come into WP:COI conflict criteria, read the page and make appropriate advance. In regard to edit, you can read WP:Editing. Sys64 message this user 09:16, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

These are some basic needs you need to keep in mind while editing page, ONLY when you are in COI:

• you should disclose your COI when involved with affected articles;
• you are strongly discouraged from editing affected articles directly;
• you may propose changes on talk pages (by using the {{edit COI}} template), so that they can be peer-reviewed;
• you should put new articles through the Articles for Creation (AfC) process instead of creating them directly;
• you should not act as a reviewer of affected article(s) at AfC, new pages patrol or elsewhere;
• you should respect other editors by keeping discussions concise.

Sys64 message this user 09:19, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @BestCiel.

First, as Sys64 says, if you are connected with the university, you have a Conflict of interest. If you are in any way paid or employed by the university (including as an intern or volunteer), Wikipedia regards you as a paid editor, and you must make a formal declaration (see that link for details).

Once you have made your declaration, you may raise edit requests for changes to the article: make them as specific as possible, don't put multiple changes into the same request, and your requests have a much greater chance of being carried out if you include a citation to a reliable independent source, for any information you are seeking to add.

You say you would like to contribute a longer article about "the positive side" of WIU. Such an intention is fundamentally off-purpose for Wikipedia. A Wikipedia article should not give "the positive side" (or "the negative side") of its subject: it should be a neutral summary of what people wholly unconnected with the subject have chosen to publish about the subject, in reliable publications - and little else. (see WP:42). If many of the appropriate sources are positive, the article will reflect that. If they are predominently negative, the article will reflect that; and if they are mixed, again the article will reflect that.

What the article should not reflect, at all, is what the subject says or wants to say about itself, or what the subject's associates say.

If you choose to write an article about WIU (which seems inappropriate, because there is one already) you would need to effectively forget everything you know or think about the university, and summarise what the independent sources say. ColinFine (talk) 11:51, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@ColinFine, Actually they have sworn that they were graduate of University and did not find it pleasing enough to tell us here. Now they have made copyright edits which have been both reverted and scrutinized. I have warned him but if he continues to do this, I think a block is needed? See his talk page, [] Sys64 message this user 00:43, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@Sys64wiki, being a graduate of a university is not necessarily a COI. ColinFine (talk) 10:11, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello guys stuff still deleted need address for Mike hard lemonade N.C. I am looking glass maker granny please reply me all thank you very much 50.111.213.233 (talk) 15:12, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

This page is for help with editing Wikipedia, did you have a question about that? -- D'n'B-📞 -- 15:57, 16 July 2025 (UTC)

I was looking at the new users long, and I noticed something I have not seen before - lots of accounts being created in a short time that made between 7-10 edits, all with random edit summaries (some referenced policies so I wondered if they were randomly generated) and then stop. The edits were all just minor edits where things were reworded slightly. Examples are Romancrag3, Polandzbignew, and Creativeco3209.

I am wondering if they are accounts which are making random edits and then planning to wait a few days in order to get autoconfirmed and then make spam/undisclosed paid articles. But they haven't done anything wrong yet. I know that if they post spam it will eventually get deleted, but I worry if that is the plan then they can still say to someone "look, your article is published, now you will pay me" in the hours it is up.

Is it kind of just best to ignore them for now? I am also not sure if I'm just overthinking. -- NotCharizard ^🗨 10:04, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

I like your instincts (see block log for details). Often in these situations you can look at the histories of pages they're editing, for example, Special:PageHistory/Alex Tsai will lead you down a rabbit hole of similar things. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 10:28, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you @Zzuuzz! I did not consider a checkuser checking for sockpuppetry here, that sorted things out quickly :) -- NotCharizard ^🗨 11:09, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

how do I upload a .wikitext file? Bigpooz (talk) 12:21, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@Bigpooz: It looks like you figured it out at User:Bigpooz/Sample page. There is no file upload for wikitext. You just use a browser to create and edit wikitext pages. See Wikipedia:Articles for creation and Wikipedia:Notability (people) if you want to create an article. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:01, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello, @Bigpooz. Looking at that draft, it appears that it has been written WP:BACKWARDS.

My earnest advice to new editors is to not even think about trying to create an article until you have spent several weeks - at least - learning about how Wikipedia works by making improvements to existing articles. Once you have understood core policies such as verifiability, neutral point of view, reliable, independent sources, and notability, and experienced how we handle disagreements with other editors (the Bold, Revert, Discuss cycle), then you might be ready to read your first article carefully, and try creating a draft. If you don't follow this advice but try to create an article without this preparation, you are likely to have a frustrating and disappointing experience with Wikipedia. ColinFine (talk) 13:07, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Bigpooz. I wonder if you used a large-language model chatbot like OpenAI's ChatGPT, Claude, Gemini etc to create this page - and that the chatbot mistakenly told you to upload a .wikitext file? Your page at User:Bigpooz/Sample page looks like it was written by an AI chatbot. qcne (talk) 14:36, 12 July 2025 (UTC)