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File:Fortification of old city of lahore.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).

• File is licensed under Cc-by-nc-nd-2.0 on Flickr. Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 00:35, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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File:Brugmansiahippy.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Listed as All Rights Reserved on Flickr. Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 00:39, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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File:T. stejnegeri.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Listed as Cc-by-nc-nd-2.0 on Flickr. Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 00:42, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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File:Ezra Cornell statue.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Listed as Cc-by-nc-nd-2.0 on Flickr. Also, the statue may make it non-free (not positive). Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 00:45, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Actually, looking back at the Flickr link (from the description page), it is not the same exact photo. However, it is still a PUF. Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 00:47, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted by Drilnoth (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 10:36, 19 May 2011 (UTC)

File:Chinashipping.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Listed as All Rights Reserved on Flickr. Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 00:47, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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NC-ND version deleted from history, newer version kept. Angus McLellan (Talk) 22:07, 16 June 2011 (UTC)

File:Pavillon-Vendome.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Listed as Cc-by-nc-nd-2.0 on Flickr. Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 00:49, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
  • Yes, the flickr file, uploaded in 2007, was not in the attribution or attribution-sharealike categories. I have replaced the file with a completely new image from flickr which has a correct "attribution license". Mathsci (talk) 01:24, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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File:Port sailing.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Listed as All Rights Reserved on Flickr. Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 00:50, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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File:Shanghaimunicipalgovt.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Listed as Cc-by-nc-nd-2.0 on Flickr. Logan _Talk ^{Contributions} 00:57, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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File:Dreamland School logo.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• It includes a depiction of two people: it's definitely not just simple shapes and letters. Nyttend (talk) 02:21, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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File:BLSD.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• School District logo. Unlikely to be the work of the uploader (Creative Commons 3.)) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:46, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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File:Painting in the gallery.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Photograph of a modern painting in a museum. Declared as "own work", but it seems rather obvious the uploader only meant to say he took the photo, not that he is the painter. Artist unknown; uploader didn't bother to identify him. No commentary in article that would justify re-tagging as fair use. Fut.Perf. ☼ 06:24, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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File:Signature of VJ Rannvijay Singh Singha.svg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• SVG version of signature of a living person passed off as "own work".  Forty two  06:27, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Obviously its "own work" because Rannvijay didn't upload the svg image or sent me one in electronic mail. However, I have changed the authors to "Rannvijay Singh, GaneshBhakt". GaneshBhakt (talk) 08:28, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

• The photo of signature will make sense if it is added in any other additional section under the same page and not in place of profile photo.

Sanket 22:55, 4 May 2011 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sanketholey (talk • contribs)

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File:Hansisland.PNG (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Canadian Maps would be Canadian Crown copyright.

And a photo of a 2D work would thus be a derivative work. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:32, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was: Withdrawn/Keep, file tagged appropriately. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:58, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

File:Jose de Diego 2.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Image taken pre-1923, but there's no indication of when it was actually published. VernoWhitney (talk) 14:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

Keep - the grounds that the source of the image is “Figuras Historicas De Puerto Rico, Vol. 2” ; Eitor: Adolfo R. Lopez; Page 15; Publisher: Editorial Codillera, Inc.; ISBN 088495-188-X. Plus the subject died in 1918, thereby copyright laws of said image do not apply. Regardless of when the image was published the fact is that it is a pre-1923 image and thereby free of copyright laws. Tony the Marine (talk) 16:57, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

• • Marine, I though the 1923-rule was actually about date of first publication, and not date of creation. Do you know better? --Damiens.rf 17:11, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict) I'm afraid copyright laws didn't suddenly take effect in 1923 and not apply to anything created before then. Wikipedia:Public domain#Unpublished works covers the details of this sort of situation. If the photograph was taken pre 1919 but only published recently (e.g., whenever "Figuras Historicas De Puerto Rico, Vol. 2" was published, although I don't see an actual date for that book) it could still be copyrighted depending upon when exactly it was first published and when the photographer died. As the guideline says, "Proof of publication is mandatory; uploaders making a "public domain" claim on (a reproduction of) an artwork are required to prove with verifiable details that the work was first published before 1923, or first published after 2003 with an artist who died more than 70 years ago." VernoWhitney (talk) 17:12, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

• He is mentioned in numerous pre-1923 books. However, most appear to be official works without illustrations. This picture could be a pre-1923 book jacket illustration, but I can't find one. ScottyBerg (talk) 17:21, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

• Your comment about book jackets got me thinking in a different direction since he was an author himself, and it looks like this image is cropped from one published in a book of his poetry at least in 1904, versions of which can be seen here and here, so it looks like this image is appropriately tagged and could be replaced by a different version if the crop was not desired. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:28, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

• Great! Nice find. ScottyBerg (talk) 17:46, 6 May 2011 (UTC)

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File:GOMEZ RESIDENCE.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).

• photo by Jorge Rigau "Negative at Colegio de Arquitectos", no indication of association with the Puerto Rico State Historic Preservation Office. See the related discussion at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2010 June 24#File:Church Nuestra Senora de la Concepcion y San Fernando of Toa Alta.JPG. VernoWhitney (talk) 15:08, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
  • That a big discussion. Could you brief us on that? --Damiens.rf 16:56, 4 May 2011 (UTC)
    • It's kinda messy, so please forgive me if I miss something. Basically the discussion was about a similar batch of photos of NHRP sites in Puerto Rico. The copyright of such photos and accompanying text is retained by whatever private party prepared the application, even though the NPS releases the documents later. Often the only information about the author of the photos is their name. Sometimes their organization is clearly stated (such as with File:Ediflcio Patio Espanol.JPG, on page 12 of the source), but often there is no association indicated or only the location of the negatives for the photos, which was used in the June discussion to establish at least a presumption of copyright ownership.
    • From those presumptions the files were deleted and/or tagged with one of two templates which were created from OTRS communications: {{PD-PRGov-PRSHP}} and {{PD-PRGov-IPC}} for two different organizations which were the sources of multiple images. The second template was previously used on this image and those listed below and has since been found to have been insufficient by WMF Counsel (and is now listed at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2011 May 4#Template:PD-PRGov-IPC) which brings us to the reason these images have been listed here: The first (and still valid so far as I am aware) template only applies to "photographs developed as part of an HPF Sub grant sponsored by [the PRSHPO]", and not to all Puerto Rican NHRP sites.
    • In these listings there is no evidence that I am aware of supporting the assertion that these particular images were created by/for the PRSHPO, which means that the copyright would still be held by the photographer (or their employer if it was a work for hire), and would not be releasable by the PRSHPO and are thus incorrectly licensed. These have been brought here because further research may turn up evidence of the particular photographer's association which may mean their work falls under the usable OTRS release and there's the obvious grey area regarding exactly how much evidence is required to support their inclusion as works of the PRSHPO. VernoWhitney (talk) 17:38, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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File:Iglesia Parroquial de San Antonio de Padua de Guayama.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Photo by Jorge Diana, no indication of association with the Puerto Rico State Historic Preservation Office. See the related discussion at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2010 June 24#File:Church Nuestra Senora de la Concepcion y San Fernando of Toa Alta.JPG VernoWhitney (talk) 15:11, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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File:Filardi House.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Photo by Jerry Torres Santiago, no indication of association with the Puerto Rico State Historic Preservation Office. See the related discussion at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2010 June 24#File:Church Nuestra Senora de la Concepcion y San Fernando of Toa Alta.JPG VernoWhitney (talk) 15:16, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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File:Farmacia Serra.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).

• photo by Juaquin Acevedo "Negatives at Bayamin Municipal Archives", no indication of association with the Puerto Rico State Historic Preservation Office. See the related discussion at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2010 June 24#File:Church Nuestra Senora de la Concepcion y San Fernando of Toa Alta.JPG VernoWhitney (talk) 15:19, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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File:Hacienda Casa del Frances.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Unknown photographer, no indication of association with the Puerto Rico State Historic Preservation Office. See the related discussion at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2010 June 24#File:Church Nuestra Senora de la Concepcion y San Fernando of Toa Alta.JPG VernoWhitney (talk) 15:23, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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File:Delerme-Anduze House.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• photo by Hector F. Santiago, no indication of association with the Puerto Rico State Historic Preservation Office. See the related discussion at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2010 June 24#File:Church Nuestra Senora de la Concepcion y San Fernando of Toa Alta.JPG VernoWhitney (talk) 15:48, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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File:Acevedo, Rafael, House.JPG (delete | talk | history | logs).

• photo by Hector Santiago, no indication of association with the Puerto Rico State Historic Preservation Office. See the related discussion at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2010 June 24#File:Church Nuestra Senora de la Concepcion y San Fernando of Toa Alta.JPG VernoWhitney (talk) 15:51, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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File:Biblioteca Carnegie.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• photo by Alejandra Tarr Negatives at the "Institute of Puerto Rican Culture", no indication of association with the Puerto Rico State Historic Preservation Office. See the related discussion at Wikipedia:Possibly unfree files/2010 June 24#File:Church Nuestra Senora de la Concepcion y San Fernando of Toa Alta.JPG VernoWhitney (talk) 15:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)}} VernoWhitney (talk) 15:53, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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The result of the debate was: Delete; deleted as F9 by VernoWhitney (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 13:09, 5 May 2011 (UTC)

File:DW profile.png (delete | talk | history | logs).

• Image is from with no indication that it has been released under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 license as stated. Whpq (talk) 18:26, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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File:MN00624A.jpg (delete | talk | history | logs).

• this is not a free image - the international student card is made by non-US organization, then you attach your own photo and self-laminate it. it was used in the trial, but that doesn't make it a us govt work. the image doesn't satisfy WP:NFCC8 in the article - the card isn't mentioned in the article, and even if we want to say that he did have this sort of card, it's not necessary to show an image of the card itself Calliopejen1 (talk) 22:08, 4 May 2011 (UTC)

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