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The result of the discussion was delete. Hey man im josh (talk) 18:46, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

• Simplicial spectrum → Simplicial set  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Not explained at target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 23:12, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom, and remove its mention at Spectrum (topology) as its used like a "See also" there. Jay 💬 17:05, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Jay 💬 11:12, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

• FCV Farul Constanța (women's football) → FCV Farul Constanța  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

It seems there may be a women's team under the same name, but as this article is about the men's Liga I team, this hardly seems a helpful redirect. (NPP action) Cremastra (talk) 22:36, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete as women is not mentioned at the target. Deleting might open up for article creation. However, a redirect also exists at FCV Farul Constanța (women) which I think would be the correct nomenclature for an article, i.e. without "football" in the parenthesis since it's already called FC at the start. The ideal would be an article at FCV Farul Constanța (women) and a retarget at FCV Farul Constanța (women's football). Geschichte (talk) 09:41, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ^Complex/_Rational 22:48, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

• 苔原 → Tundra  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The Chinese term is not mentioned at the target. 1234qwer1234qwer4 22:02, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete no affinity with the Chinese language --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:47, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:FORRED. Steel1943 (talk) 02:34, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ^Complex/_Rational 22:49, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

• TEMPLATEDITOR → Wikipedia:Template editor  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

WP:XNR of doubtful plausibility; neither does the projectspace equivalent WP:TEMPLATEDITOR exist, nor do the correctly spelt variants TEMPLATEEDITOR or Template editor. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:21, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete. Cross-namespace redirect with no obvious utility. An unlikely search term, especially since it is missing one "E". If I search for "template editor" and exclude article space, Wikipedia:Template editor is the first search result (for me). – Jonesey95 (talk) 20:44, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete. I agree with Jonesey95 above. --Ratekreel (talk) 21:00, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Just Step Sideways ^{from this world ..... today} 23:55, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per the above, the target not being something that needs a redirect in article space, and it being unlikely people will learn of our habit of concatenating uppercase words as shortcuts sufficient to search using them before they learn about namespaces (the primary reason for CNRs from article to project space). Thryduulf (talk) 00:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete especially given the project space redirect doesn't even exist. Crouch, Swale (talk) 17:11, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete as an improper XNR. Schützenpanzer (Talk) 18:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 05:28, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. (non-admin closure) C F A 💬 16:07, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

• MPSB → Wikipedia:Main Page/sandbox  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Bad WP:XNR; could refer to Sambú Airport or Metropolitan Police Special Branch or "Mecklenburg-Pommersche Schmalspurbahn" (which we only have passing mentions of). 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:19, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate. I have drafted one in the redirect (it can also refer to the Morehouse Parish School Board). Skynxnex (talk) 20:53, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Disambig per above. Thryduulf (talk) 00:51, 15 September 2024 (UTC)
• dabify per above --Lenticel ^(talk) 05:28, 16 September 2024 (UTC)
• Disambiguate - seems reasonable to dabify the page as page creator. It could refer to many things as mentioned in the discussion. I would suggest adding the sandbox to the dab page as well. Interstellarity (talk) 11:21, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

  This is slightly out of scope for RFD, but I'm not sure that sandbox pages is due a mention on any article space page. It's past 50 revisions only go all the way back to May 2020 and it's be effectively used/experimented with unrelated to the main page since May of this year. Skynxnex (talk) 19:05, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. ^Complex/_Rational 22:49, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

• GLAM/University of Miami Libraries/Tools and Guidelines → Wikipedia:GLAM/University of Miami Libraries/Tools  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Inappropriate WP:XNR. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:16, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete. This might have had some benefit in advance of and during an event at the University of Miami Libraries teaching novices how to edit Wikipedia, but the events page linked at the target indicates the last of these was in 2016, so if it did that has now passed. Thryduulf (talk) 00:58, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

  See also Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 January 12#Mainspace redirects to meetups and editathons. Thryduulf (talk) 01:01, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per reasonable explanation by Thryduulf here and in the earlier RFD. Skynxnex (talk) 15:51, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. -- Tavix ^(talk) 00:10, 22 September 2024 (UTC)

• Greater Wilmington Business Journal → Wikipedia:WikiProject Magazines  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Inexplicable WP:XNR. 1234qwer1234qwer4 20:13, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete Not mentioned on enwiki outside of citations. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 21:52, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was retarget to Online help. (non-admin closure) C F A 💬 16:10, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

• Help pageHelp page → Help:Contents  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Possibly WP:RASTONISHing WP:XNR. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:58, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Online help, which already has hatnotes to Wikipedia:Help desk and Help:Contents. This title should be a blue link because people looking for Wikipedia's help pages absolutely will use this search term to try and find them, but also people looking for encyclopaedic content will use it too and Online help seems to be the most appropriate article we have. Thryduulf (talk) 20:00, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget per Thryduulf --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:28, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

• Untitled Kendrick Lamar song → Watch the Party Die  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Song is titled, similarly to Untitled Kendrick Lamar album RFD. Roasted (talk) 17:24, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete this, for the reason you mentioned, and also because there are quite a few untitled Kendrick Lamar songs. Slamforeman (talk) 18:03, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete. I probably should have gotten a page mover to do this one as I didn't want to leave behind this ambiguous redirect. ULPS ^{(talk • contribs)} 22:20, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete as obviously created in error. ✗plicit 03:33, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

• Orca ( 2020 film) → Orca (2020 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Love ( 2024 Norwegian film) → Love (2024 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Created in error; this was the article title for less than two minutes. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:20, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete should really be deletable under X3. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:22, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• CSD X3 is for page titles with no spaces, not extra spaces. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:58, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete due to malformed modifiers --Lenticel ^(talk) 00:48, 16 September 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G6 and WP:CSD#G7. Thryduulf (talk) 20:02, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Six limbs ( Indian painting) → Six limbs (Indian painting)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

< min 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:16, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete this. I made Six limbs ( Indian painting) by mistake when moving an article but don't have the power to delete it. Not worth keeping and should be deleted. Aszx5000 (talk) 17:20, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Speedy delete under R3, tagged as such, it was at this title for about a minute earlier this month, should also be deletable under X3. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:25, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• CSD X3 is for page titles with no spaces, not extra spaces. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:59, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G6 and WP:CSD#G7. Thryduulf (talk) 20:03, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• The Killers ( 1971 Egyptian Film) → The Killers (1971 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Created in error; this was the article title for less than an hour. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:10, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete should really be deletable under X3. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:25, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete redirect I left behind in error during a page move (removing white space) as part of NPP Josey Wales ^Parley 18:52, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• CSD X3 is for page titles with no spaces, not extra spaces. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:00, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was Speedy delete per WP:CSD#G6. All unambiguously created in error. Thryduulf (talk) 20:06, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• LNK ( Lithuanian TV channel) → LNK (Lithuanian TV channel)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• St. Mark's Episcopal Chapel ( Corinna Township, Minnesota) → St. Mark's Episcopal Chapel (Corinna Township, Minnesota)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Terrorist ( Yaroshenko) → The Terrorist (Yaroshenko)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Thomas Grant ( barrister) → Thomas Grant (barrister)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Created in error; this was the article title for less than a minute. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:08, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete should really be deletable under X3. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:26, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• CSD X3 is for page titles with no spaces, not extra spaces. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:00, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete. WP:G6 Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:27, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

• The Serpent ( Comic book) → The Serpent (comic book)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Tim McGarry ( Australian playwright) → Tim McGarry (Australian actor/playwright)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Created in error; this was the article title for less than half a day. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:07, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete should really be deletable under X3 and the 1st could probably be deleted under R3 but I won't tag due to creating confusion with the other that is from last year and thus not R3. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:28, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• CSD X3 is for page titles with no spaces, not extra spaces. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:01, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete. WP:G6 Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

• Sua ( Folk music) → Sua (Folk music)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Western Zone ( Tigray Region) → Western Zone, Tigray  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Created in error; this was the article title for little more than a day. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:05, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete should really be deletable under X3. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• CSD X3 is for page titles with no spaces, not extra spaces. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:01, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete. WP:G6 Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:28, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

• Ramrajya ( 2022 film) → Ramrajya (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• The Beast Must Die ( TV series) → The Beast Must Die (TV series)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Y ( 2022 Marathi film) → Y (2022 film)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Created in error; this was the article title for less than half an hour. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:04, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete should really be deletable under X3. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:29, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• CSD X3 is for page titles with no spaces, not extra spaces. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:02, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was speedy delete. WP:G6 Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:29, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

• Zephyr ( 1796 ship) → Zephyr (1796 ship)  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Created in error; this was the article title for less than a day. 1234qwer1234qwer4 17:03, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete should really be deletable under X3. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:30, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• CSD X3 is for page titles with no spaces, not extra spaces. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:02, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

  That's why I said "should" as they can't currently but IMO should be deletable. Crouch, Swale (talk) 19:14, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:27, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

• Weyl s equidistribution criterion → Equidistributed sequence#Weyl's criterion  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Peer s College → Gakushuin University  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• Crohn s Disease → Crohn's disease  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Implausible/WP:UNNATURAL replacement of an apostrophe by a space resulting from a duplicate article. 1234qwer1234qwer4 16:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crouch, Swale (talk • contribs) 19:15, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was disambiguate. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 18:27, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

• A1P → America First Policies  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Neologism – I see no evidence this is actually used as an abbreviation for this group. While I agree it's plausible, searches show it to be fairly ambiguous, and again, I can't find any sources saying that this is used as an abbreviation. Thanks, (NPP action) Cremastra (talk) 14:35, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

I found reference to it here, though I grant I didn't search for additional references prior to creating the redirect. And more recent attempts have proved fruitless. (Though apparently there seems to be a similar type of abbreviation (A1A) in (possibly quite limited) use, for the America First Action SuperPac.)

Unless others come up with further references, perhaps deleting the redirect is in order.

Trackerwannabe (talk) Trackerwannabe (talk) 14:57, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Delete or disambiguate. The primary topic for "A1P" seems to be a type of stellar classification (A1p is linked in more than one place to Ap and Bp stars but the term isn't mentioned at that target), but other model numbers, etc. also get mentions. Thryduulf (talk) 16:41, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• disambiguate -- 64.229.88.34 (talk) 23:26, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Disambiguate, as "A1P" seems to have a number of referents:

• a type of stellar classification, as noted above by Thryduulf
• America First Policies, the target of the redirect under discussion
• The Article I Project, a "network of House and Senate conservatives," with no apparent connection to America First Policies
• an app on the Google Play Store

Additionally (potentially for placement under a See also or Other uses section on a disambiguation page) it is part of the names of:

• a type of Allen-Bradley switch
• a website (a1p.us) for which caution is advised
• a model of power controller offered by Avatar Instruments
• the Lycoming O-360-A1P, a variant of the Lycoming O-360 aircraft engine
• a series of parts, for the Lycoming O-360-A1P wide cylinder flange model aircraft engine, offered by Lycoming Engines
• a case for a desktop system

I am not suggesting that all of these be presently placed on a disambiguation page. But there seems to be enough, both in the way of present targets and future possibilities, to warrant such a page.

Trackerwannabe (talk) 13:54, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was move True Democracy (album) to True Democracy and retarget True democracy there. ✗plicit 11:15, 21 September 2024 (UTC)

• True democracyTrue democracy → Direct democracy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 
• True Democracy → Direct democracy  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

The term "true democracy" is used to promote all kinds of reforms, with no one type of reform being the primary topic (I checked both Google web search and Google book search). Hence, convert to DAB with four entries: "any form of democratization", "any type of electoral reform", "scoring well on Democracy indices", and True Democracy (album). Jruderman (talk) 13:40, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

• Delete this and True Democracy. I created the nominated redirect 18 years ago and changed the redirection of the second one around the same time, and now realize these were mistakes. It is a hopelessly vague term that I apparently associated with direct democracy back then but back then I didn't realize all the connotations and the future complexities in Wikipedia's content, and to be clear, the Wikipedia was quite a "wild west" in 2006 compared to today. Further, a disambiguation would be rather useless with only one similarly worded term. All the suggestions of similar ideas here aren't really for a typical disambiguation, and comes off as something akin to original research or at best, stretching a phrase's meaning too far. Just delete the sucker. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 18:16, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

  It might have to be a dab page (or redirect) just because of the music album. Jruderman (talk) 19:14, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

  We don't create dab pages to go to one thing. If you're concerned about people finding the album, what you do is delete this redirect and True Democracy (also as unnecessary as the one nominated here), then move True Democracy (album) to True Democracy, since it's the only "True Democracy" entity covered in the encyclopedia. There was not a need to disambiguate that album. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 19:24, 23 August 2024 (UTC)

• Move True Democracy (album) to True Democracy. Retarget True democracy there. --Un assiolo (talk) 14:15, 27 August 2024 (UTC)

  To the closer: If I wasn't clear, this is the solution I want as well. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 04:30, 1 September 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, CycloneYoris ^talk! 07:39, 31 August 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Bundled True Democracy here. It used to be an article, and would need to be notified, since moving another page over it is equivalent to deletion.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Jay 💬 10:53, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete and move the album to it's location per Un assiolo's suggestion. BugGhost🦗👻 13:09, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete and move the album to True Democracy with a hat pointing to democracy. Cambial — foliar❧ 21:52, 17 September 2024 (UTC)

Delete and move the album to this location. Superboilles (talk) 22:11, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more redirects. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the discussion was retarget to Family of Joe Biden. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 22:30, 15 September 2024 (UTC)

• John BidenJohn Biden → Joe Biden  (talk · links · history · stats)     [ Closure: keep/retarget/delete ] 

Tagged as a misspelling but I don't believe this to be a likely or expected typo. Hey man im josh (talk) 16:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

• Keep - maybe not super common (and arguably, we only have a few weeks since creation of the redirect) - but it appears it is not zero, so I'd say there is no harm in keeping the redirect around since redirects are WP:CHEAP if there is no other more notable John Biden that it should point to instead. We should just tag it as non-printworth, which I'll do now. Raladic (talk) 16:10, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
• Keep. Not a misspelling or typo, but a misremembering of the name that gets more results than I expected. Thryduulf (talk) 19:42, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete Not Joe Biden's name, not a typo, has never been misrepresented as or called "John" in his life, no mention of it in the article. Thus no justification for a redirect. Not everything on the Wikipedia can be stupid-proofed, if a reader cannot differentiate John vs. Joe, that is to low of a bar to play to. Zaathras (talk) 21:36, 4 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete. Uncommon, potentially WP:BLP erroneous name that blocks Wikipedia's search function from displaying any information we may have on any actual "John Biden" subjects. Steel1943 (talk) 17:14, 5 September 2024 (UTC)
• Delete My searches don't turn up enough uses to convince me this is a common error. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 02:41, 6 September 2024 (UTC)

we have Joe Bidon, Jo Biden, Joel Biden, Joe bidne, Jose Biden, Joe Bydin, Joe Bidin... why not John Biden? Specially cause Jo is the same syllable as John in English (a stress-timed language). Web-julio (talk) 16:56, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

It's also not uncommon where I live to refer to him as John: .

I believe it's mainly cause the word Joe is uncommon here. Web-julio (talk) 16:59, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Family of Joe Biden where a "John Biden" ancestor is mentioned. Anybody looking for Joe Biden himself has easy access to the Joe Biden article from there. -- Tavix ^(talk) 17:31, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

  • Retarget per Tavix

  Web-julio (talk) 19:11, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget per Tavix. C F A 💬 23:23, 11 September 2024 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Retarget or delete?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Cremastra (talk) 00:04, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

Given that we have content on a person with this name, I see no reason to delete. 1234qwer1234qwer4 02:34, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

• Retarget to Family of Joe Biden per the above. If we have a subject by this name mentioned in the encyclopedia, redirecting to the article where that mention occurs is the logical outcome. BD2412 T 03:06, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Retarget per above. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:30, 14 September 2024 (UTC)
• Changing my vote to retarget now that a suitable target has been identified. - Presidentman talk · contribs (Talkback) 19:42, 14 September 2024 (UTC)

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the redirect's talk page or in a deletion review).