Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2025 August 22

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was Replace (deprecate wrapper). Some editors wanted to keep the wrapper for convenience, while some preferred replacing it with the main Authority control template. Although, concerns about the workload of replacing 16,000 instances were noted, the stronger policy-based arguments favoured deprecating redundant wrappers to reduce maintenance complexity. Consensus therefore supports replacing {{Authority control (arts)}} with {{Authority control|show=arts}}, ideally via a bot-assisted process. (non-admin closure) Vanderwaalforces (talk) 17:25, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

• Template:Authority control (arts) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unnecessary wrapper for Template:Authority control. Can be replaced with {{Authority control|show=arts}} — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:47, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

• Some further background: this template was created in January 2021 as a wrapper for {{Authority control}} to only show a certain selection of identifiers. It proved to be controversial but survived a deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2021 February 26#Template:ACArt. Since January 2023, proper support for whitelists was added to Module:Authority control. Therefore it might be simpler if instances of this template are replaced with {{Authority control|show=arts}}. The output would be exactly the same — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:53, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

  I presume the intention of this discussion is replacing all 16000 instances with the "show arts" wrapper, and not simply deleting it or replacibg it without the "show arts"? If it really does the same (I haven´t checked) then no objection. Does it also use the country parameter? Fram (talk) 08:30, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

• Comment We need a bot to rename the 16000 instances from {{Authority control (arts)}} to {{Authority control|show=arts}}. Grimes2 14:08, 15 August 2025 (UTC)
• Keep Not worth running a bot to make thousands of cosmetic edits over. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 15:02, 15 August 2025 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 19:47, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

• Replace per nomination. No need for a separate template when one AC template can do and show the same information and links for an article. Just add a parameter to the main template. --WikiCleanerMan (talk) 20:52, 23 August 2025 (UTC)
• Keep. A cosmetic bot would be a waste of effort. Also, {{ACArt}} would need to be included. Furthermore, the specification of |country= differs from that in {{Authority control}} ("will only show" vs "extra"), although that may be a mistake. David Brooks (talk) 20:22, 29 August 2025 (UTC)

  For clarification, {{ACArt|country=ES}} has the same effect at {{ACArt|show=ES}}, and both are the same as {{Authority control|show=Arts, ES}} — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:26, 12 September 2025 (UTC)

• Neither, it seems : Template:Authority control shows informations absent in Template:Authority control (arts) and vice versa.=> Solution : please create a template that would include both types of information.--JoSloane (talk) 09:17, 4 September 2025 (UTC)

  That is incorrect. The authority control template shows all identifiers and the arts template shows a subset of these — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:22, 12 September 2025 (UTC)

• Question Didn't we !vote to delete this in July at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Templates_for_discussion/Log/2025_July_17#Module:Authority_control_(arts)? I don't understand the difference between module and template. Thanks in advance. --WomenArtistUpdates (talk) 01:03, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

  Many templates are wrappers for Lua code. Template:Authority control is one example, the functionality is actually implemented in Module:Authority control. If you look at the template's source you'll just see the module invocation. Module:Authority control (arts) was a fork of the Lua code itself. Template:Authority control (arts) is a wrapper for Template:Authority control. Hope this helps, I understand how this might be confusing. Antibabelic (talk) 09:45, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

  If that means that two different versions of the code are both being maintained, then I would replace to lessen the need to keep things in synch.--Northernhenge (talk) 11:02, 21 September 2025 (UTC)

  No, there is only one version of code since Module:Authority control (arts) was deleted. Antibabelic (talk) 06:31, 26 September 2025 (UTC)

• Replace. I think it's worth running the bot. Unnecessary layers of abstraction can build up like debt. If it's not paid off occasionally, it can start to become a problem for ongoing operations. Having fewer layers also reduces the chances that a change to the underlying code will cause an unexpected bug. -- Beland (talk) 00:26, 2 October 2025 (UTC)
• weak keep, although it is better to have one template instead of two, changing 16k articles doesn't seem worth it. Frietjes (talk) 15:40, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
• Keep as Pppery.--Photographer's Box (talk) 23:52, 3 October 2025 (UTC)
• Delete/Replace - this isn't needed, it just adds extra complexity that can confuse editors that don't know the back-story here. I can offer help with doing a bot replace using Pi bot if that's useful. Thanks. Mike Peel (talk) 18:03, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.