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April 12
Template:VinhUni
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 21:19, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- Template:VinhUni (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused navigation template with no links. Gonnym (talk) 21:51, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
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Template:Harry Potter family tree
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 21:19, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- Template:Harry Potter family tree (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused family tree. Gonnym (talk) 21:49, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
- Delete - As a HP fan, this is awesome.... but not used and not needed. Zackmann (Talk to me/What I been doing) 22:36, 19 April 2026 (UTC)
- delete, looks like it was removed in edits like this one, which was over a year ago and nobody restored it. Frietjes (talk) 14:40, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
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Template:DYK stats monthly summary table row no articles
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 21:19, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- Template:DYK stats monthly summary table row no articles (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused template. Couldn't find usages with insource search. Gonnym (talk) 21:47, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
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Template:Cookies (group)
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The result of the discussion was speedy deleted per G7. (non-admin closure) –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:53, 13 April 2026 (UTC)
- Template:Cookies (group) (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused navigation template. Gonnym (talk) 21:46, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
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Template:Choropleth world map
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 21:19, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- Template:Choropleth world map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused template using the broken Graph extension. Gonnym (talk) 21:45, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. No prejudice to recreation using the current Chart extension. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:54, 13 April 2026 (UTC)
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Template:Campaignbox Russo–German conflicts
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 21:19, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- Template:Campaignbox Russo–German conflicts (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused campaignbox. Gonnym (talk) 21:43, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
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Template:British Armed Forces sidebar
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 21:19, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- Template:British Armed Forces sidebar (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused sidebar. Gonnym (talk) 21:43, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
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Template:Body–brain axes
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 21:19, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- Template:Body–brain axes (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused sidebar. Gonnym (talk) 21:42, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
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Template:Barons Strange family tree
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The result of the discussion was speedy delete. G7. Izno (talk) 18:49, 13 April 2026 (UTC)
- Template:Barons Strange family tree (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused family tree. Gonnym (talk) 21:09, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
- Thank you for pointing this out. I’d created this template, but forgot to populate it into some articles. I’ve since taken care of it. —GoldRingChip 23:24, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
- Actually I forgot that I replaced it with {{Dukes of Atholl family tree}}. So let's delete {{Barons Strange family tree}}. —GoldRingChip 11:43, 13 April 2026 (UTC)
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Template:Auto sortname
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 21:19, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- Template:Auto sortname (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused and not found with an insource search. Gonnym (talk) 21:08, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
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Template:Attached KML/The Causeway
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 21:19, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- Template:Attached KML/The Causeway (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused after this edit. Gonnym (talk) 21:06, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
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Template:Arthoniaceae
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 21:19, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- Template:Arthoniaceae (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused navigation template. If added to all pages, let me know and I'll withdraw my nomination. Gonnym (talk) 21:05, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
- As the creator of this template, I say feel free to delete it. The lichen wikiproject was considering setting these up for all of the various lichen families, but decided we needed to get the various articles in place first. At some point in the future, we may set them up again, to help with navigation between related articles. MeegsC (talk) 20:34, 14 April 2026 (UTC)
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Template:Administrator elections/Latest/Header
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 21:19, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- Template:Administrator elections/Latest/Header (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
Unused template created by a now blocked editor. Gonnym (talk) 21:03, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
- Delete. Looks like we're now using Template:Administrator elections/Header and forgot about this one. –Novem Linguae (talk) 22:34, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
- delete per above --Lenticel (talk) 02:47, 19 April 2026 (UTC)
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Template:Muhajir communities
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 21:19, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- Template:Muhajir communities (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
This is WP:OR. We have no documented source that confirms that these communities migrated to Pakistan after its creation, nor we have any such article on Wikipedia. Fails purpose of WP:NAVBOX. Veldsenk (talk) 14:45, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
- Delete Created by a user, WALTHAM2 (talk · contribs), who quit in 2021 after a long list of caste articles that got deleted. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:53, 13 April 2026 (UTC)
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Template:Afd-merge required
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 23:02, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- Template:Afd-merge required (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
I have never seen this used and no closer would close as consensus to merge but IDK where. Either there's consensus to merge to a particular page, or there isn't. voorts (talk/contributions) 20:34, 3 April 2026 (UTC)
- Keep. I think the rationale is too anecdotal. I would rather first see incorporated into the guidelines that AfD discussions should not be closed as merge without a target. Then there would be clearer grounds to delete this template. --Bsherr (talk) 15:11, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
- The opposite is true. You can't just create a template for an established process without consensus. Nobody should be closing an AfD with consensus to merge if there's no consensus to merge to a particular target. Otherwise, that would definitionally be a no consensus outcome. voorts (talk/contributions) 15:22, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
- Of course you can. We have multitudes of them at WP:WARN. But I think that's beside the point. This template has existed for fifteen years. Suddenly now it violates an obvious norm that no one has bothered to document in the guidelines? How is that explained? --Bsherr (talk) 21:06, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- I wasn't editing Wikipedia 15 years ago. I don't know why this template was created then. I also don't know why it's continued to exist since. I do know that no competent AfD closer would ever close a discussion as "merge to somewhere to be determined". They'd either make a Bartender's closing or close the discussion as no consensus. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:23, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- Or relist, as was the case twice at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IPad kid § c-Coookiemonster-20240326133800-Some1-20240319231600:
Consensus to merge, but to what?
FaviFake (talk) 15:42, 9 April 2026 (UTC)Need a merge target
- Or relist, as was the case twice at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/IPad kid § c-Coookiemonster-20240326133800-Some1-20240319231600:
- I wasn't editing Wikipedia 15 years ago. I don't know why this template was created then. I also don't know why it's continued to exist since. I do know that no competent AfD closer would ever close a discussion as "merge to somewhere to be determined". They'd either make a Bartender's closing or close the discussion as no consensus. voorts (talk/contributions) 21:23, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- Of course you can. We have multitudes of them at WP:WARN. But I think that's beside the point. This template has existed for fifteen years. Suddenly now it violates an obvious norm that no one has bothered to document in the guidelines? How is that explained? --Bsherr (talk) 21:06, 6 April 2026 (UTC)
- The opposite is true. You can't just create a template for an established process without consensus. Nobody should be closing an AfD with consensus to merge if there's no consensus to merge to a particular target. Otherwise, that would definitionally be a no consensus outcome. voorts (talk/contributions) 15:22, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
- Delete – No closer would close as "merge somewhere". The template should intentionally be deleted to discourage this kind of closure, as its existence implicitly allows it. I don't think the fact that AfD closers should define a target is controversial, especially now that PAM was deprecated and formal merge proposal now have to be discussed there. FaviFake (talk) 19:37, 4 April 2026 (UTC)
- Delete. A discussion should result an an actionable result. If a consensus is emerging, then it should be relisted or refocused on the options it has. Gonnym (talk) 16:00, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
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Template:ASN accident
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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2026 April 24. Izno (talk) 05:53, 24 April 2026 (UTC)
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Template:Right-wing terrorism topics
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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 23:02, 21 April 2026 (UTC)
- Template:Right-wing terrorism topics (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
A template about "right-wing terrorism" where the vast majority of articles are not actually about right-wing terrorism. I was going to cut out the ones that failed WP:BIDIRECTIONAL and were too tangential to add, but I found that was all of them except a handful better included in other navboxes, which is not enough to be separate from template:terrorism topics, our various and numerous far-right politics navboxes, or which doesn't mention terrorism at all. This is basically every topic about terrorism, not right-wing terrorism, including links to left-wing terrorism, narcoterrorism, eco-terrorism, and environmental terrorism. Every kind of terrorism is in this navbox, it seems, certainly not "right-wing" kinds. Not at all tightly related to "right-wing terrorism" (except in the construct of terrorism, which has its own navbox), and so this fails WP:NAVBOX. This is a poor duplicate of the main terrorism navbox with no content specific to right-wing terror, and if we were to remove all the inappropriate inclusions there would be almost nothing. See also previous deletion discussion for a similar navbox made by the same creator though with a very different scope. PARAKANYAA (talk) 03:56, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
- Keep It is derived from the 68 "see also" links that were previously on the page. I removed them from the page and created a Navbox because 68 links is too many; I left out the most severely off topic links that were in "see also". It needs some further refinements, but the links worth keeping are probably more than what fits in a "See also" section. The other template was a list of attacks based on Category:Right-wing terrorist incidents. The only thing they have in common is the concept of right-wing terrorism, which has a page and is covered in numerous reliable sources. Late Night Coffee (talk) 05:45, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
- So? If the see also links were bad putting them into a template doesn't make them less bad. If anything, here it is less appropriate. It is an inappropriate navbox per WP:NAVBOX. The vast majority of entries do not even mention right-wing terrorism, much less are defined by it, or have any use use navigating from it.
- You've included, and added this as a template to, Communist terrorism, the Cold War, the entire history of terrorism, all kinds of non-right wing terrorism, numerous articles that have nothing to do with terrorism, state terrorism, state-sponsored terrorism, left-wing terrorism, eco-terrorism, lists that include left-wing terrorism and many extremely broad topics that have nothing to do with terrorism at all. This is not a tightly related series of subjects. If you're going to duplicate entirely navboxes that already exist, why do we have another one? Anything useful here is redundant to the terrorism topic infobox or our half dozen far-right politics navboxes. It fails to be a useful navigation aid.
- You made an extremely broad, problematic template, that was deleted, and then you made an extremely similar, also broad, problematic template on the exact same topic with extremely similar issues the same day it was deleted. PARAKANYAA (talk) 06:03, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
- The 68 links from see also were to numerous. That was the main problem. About 20 or 30 are probably worth keeping. This is still too many for a see also section. I didn't duplicate any existing navboxes to make this, it's from the very long see also section on the main page. Late Night Coffee (talk) 23:43, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
- It duplicates already existing navboxes in scope. And then, you should have just removed the see also links. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:37, 13 April 2026 (UTC)
- Like I have said twice already, even after removing off topic links I think there will be enough "see also" type links to be a useful Navbox. Late Night Coffee (talk) 04:44, 13 April 2026 (UTC)
- It duplicates already existing navboxes in scope. And then, you should have just removed the see also links. PARAKANYAA (talk) 00:37, 13 April 2026 (UTC)
- The 68 links from see also were to numerous. That was the main problem. About 20 or 30 are probably worth keeping. This is still too many for a see also section. I didn't duplicate any existing navboxes to make this, it's from the very long see also section on the main page. Late Night Coffee (talk) 23:43, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
- Delete. I ended up here because of this edit (which was made difficult to find by LateNightCoffee's 30 hour archiving period). I am finding it difficult to assume good faith when I see LateNightCoffee adding this template to what I consider an inappropriate page while in the middle of a discussion about whether to delete the template.
- There is nothing about the article Conspiracy theory that justifies applying Template:Right-wing terrorism topics. See:
- "In contrast with many theoretical speculations, we do not find conspiracism to be a product of greater authoritarianism, ignorance, or political conservatism." Source: Conspiracy Theories and the Paranoid Style(s) of Mass Opinion --American Journal of Political science
- "First, we demonstrate that the inconsistent findings stem from research designs that cannot support generalizable conclusions about the relationship between conspiracism and political identities." Source: Left–right political orientations are not systematically related to conspiracism --Political Psychology
- "For years, the discussion about misinformation online has focused on falsehoods circulating on the American right. But in recent weeks, a flurry of conspiracy theories and false narratives have also been swirling on the left." Source: Left-Wing Misinformation Is Having a Moment --The New York Times
- Leaving aside the fact that this template has been stuffed with inappropriate pages, even if we fix that problem, the template still fails WP:NAVBOX, which says
- Good navboxes generally follow these guidelines:
- All articles within a template relate to a single, coherent subject. FAILS
- The subject of the template should be mentioned in every article. FAILS
- The articles should refer to each other, to a reasonable extent. FAILS
- There should be a Wikipedia article on the subject of the template. PASSES
- If not for the navigation template, an editor would be inclined to link many of these articles in the See also sections of the articles. FAILS
- For the above reasons, I believe that this template should be deleted, just as the similar templates created by the same user were deleted. --Guy Macon (talk) 16:24, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
- The worst terrorist attack in my region, the Christchurch mosque shootings was directly connected to the Great Replacement conspiracy theory. The terrorist's manifesto had that title, and that was the reason he claimed he did it. I didn't check to see if it was already mentioned, but it possibly should be. That attack led to a whole wave of copycat attacks. Late Night Coffee (talk) 23:16, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
"I am finding it difficult to assume good faith when I see LateNightCoffee adding this template to what I consider an inappropriate page while in the middle of a discussion about whether to delete the template".
- I don't know what bad faith motive you are accusing me of here? If the template gets deleted then it will automatically get removed from that page. What are you implying? Late Night Coffee (talk) 23:48, 12 April 2026 (UTC)
- I wrote "I am finding it difficult to assume good faith". I am still assuming good faith, but you are making that hard to do. Most people don't continue adding the templates they created to new pages when they know that there is an ongoing discussion about deleting the template. There isn't a specific policy saying you can't do it, but it doesn't indicate a desire to seek consensus.
- One example does not a category make. Extreme right wing terrorist Brenton Tarrant wrote a manifesto expressing right wing beliefs and referencing right wing conspiracy theories. Extreme left wing terrorist Ted Kaczynski wrote a manifesto expressing left wing beliefs and referencing left wing conspiracy theories (See Technological Slavery) That would not justify replacing your right-wing terrorism template with a left-wing terrorism template on Conspiracy theory. See Left-wing terrorism for other examples. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:42, 13 April 2026 (UTC)
Why not? Late Night Coffee (talk) 04:47, 13 April 2026 (UTC)Most people don't continue adding the templates they created to new pages when they know that there is an ongoing discussion about deleting the template.
"...it doesn't indicate a desire to seek consensus".
What was the result of the edit? You showed up in the discussion. The deletion notice appears on every instance of the template, if anything it attracts more people to the consensus discussion. If the discussion closes as delete then it's removed by a bot. It possibly wasn't a very good use of my own time, but it didn't seem harmful, so I really don't know what you are trying to imply? Late Night Coffee (talk) 05:49, 13 April 2026 (UTC)
- Ted Kaczynski is not someone I have ever heard described as "left-wing". The first mention of "left" on that page is:
Late Night Coffee (talk) 05:25, 13 April 2026 (UTC)He authored a roughly 35,000-word manifesto and social critique, Industrial Society and Its Future (1995), which opposes all forms of technology, rejects leftism and fascism, advocates cultural primitivism, and ultimately suggests violent revolution.[1]
- The word "left" doesn't appear at all on Technological Slavery. It is not constructive for you to write multiple paragraphs of unsourced opinion when you have not even read the pages you are talking about. Late Night Coffee (talk) 05:41, 13 April 2026 (UTC)
- I already gave you citations to The American Journal of Political science, Political Psychology, and The New York Times establishing that both the far left and the far right believe various conspiracy theories and that there exist far right and far left terrorists. I am not going to be sidetracked into a discussion of Kaczynski's politics. If you have a reason why this template should not be deleted -- that you haven't already expressed (we all know how to read previous comments) -- this would be a good time for it. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:17, 14 April 2026 (UTC)
- @Guy Macon, those citations aren't relevant. They would be relevant for including a link to conspiracy theory in Navbox about left-wing politics. This template isn't about left wing politics, it's not even about right-wing voters or other aspects of right wing-politics, it's specific to right-wing terrorism. Late Night Coffee (talk) 13:18, 14 April 2026 (UTC)
- And yet you insist on placing the template on pages that are not specific to right wing terrorism. --Guy Macon (talk) 16:19, 14 April 2026 (UTC)
- I don't "insist". I put this template on the linked pages, mostly during of an hour or two on one afternoon. I haven't re-added it anywhere it had been removed, unless I re-added it somewhere without noticing it had been removed? Late Night Coffee (talk) 02:53, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
- And yet you insist on placing the template on pages that are not specific to right wing terrorism. --Guy Macon (talk) 16:19, 14 April 2026 (UTC)
- @Guy Macon: The conspiracy theory page was one of the 68 links in the giant "See also" section of right-wing terrorism and is somewhat relevant. Currently it is the link for a group title, I added the more directly relevant pages to that group's list.
- Many navboxes have very broad pages linked as group titles – e.g. {{Music of Asia}} and every other template based on {{Asia topic}} link list of sovereign states – but the group title doesn't really need a link, we can change to unlinked:
- Conspiracy theories Great Replacement...
- Conspiracy theories Great Replacement...
- ...if you think it's an improvement? Late Night Coffee (talk) 14:12, 14 April 2026 (UTC)
- @Guy Macon, those citations aren't relevant. They would be relevant for including a link to conspiracy theory in Navbox about left-wing politics. This template isn't about left wing politics, it's not even about right-wing voters or other aspects of right wing-politics, it's specific to right-wing terrorism. Late Night Coffee (talk) 13:18, 14 April 2026 (UTC)
- I already gave you citations to The American Journal of Political science, Political Psychology, and The New York Times establishing that both the far left and the far right believe various conspiracy theories and that there exist far right and far left terrorists. I am not going to be sidetracked into a discussion of Kaczynski's politics. If you have a reason why this template should not be deleted -- that you haven't already expressed (we all know how to read previous comments) -- this would be a good time for it. --Guy Macon (talk) 00:17, 14 April 2026 (UTC)
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- I removed the link to conspiracy theory from the group title. I also removed some other off-topic links that were in the giant "See also" list. There is still enough for a worthwhile Navbox. Late Night Coffee (talk) 03:09, 15 April 2026 (UTC)
- How are State terrorism, Stochastic terrorism, Xenophobia, Communal violence, Discrimination and Political violence "Right-wing terrorism topics"? --Guy Macon (talk) 13:20, 17 April 2026 (UTC)
- Delete per nom and Guy Macon. For reference I found this template on Radical right (Europe), whereby the only connection to terrorism is a German scientist quoted as saying
the radical right can be scaled by using different degrees of militancy and aggressiveness from right-wing populism to racism, terrorism, and totalitarianism.
. Come on, that's simply not good enough as a connection to "right-wing terrorism", only tangibly to terrorism itself based on RSOPINION. This template is yet another example of misunderstanding the purpose of NAVBOX, of which I see as increasing issue on WP at the moment: it's for bidirectional links between similar enough subjects, not anything remotely related. Usually this means a set of child articles, of which right-wing terrorism doesn't appear to have any? CNC (talk) 11:09, 20 April 2026 (UTC)
References
- Fleming, Sean (2022). "The Unabomber and the origins of anti-tech radicalism". Journal of Political Ideologies. 27 (2): 2–3. doi:10.1080/13569317.2021.1921940. ISSN 1356-9317.
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