Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2026 June 3

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was no consensus. Primefac (talk) 22:34, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

• Template:1886 in tennis (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:1885 in tennis (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Currently unused but also a navbox with a single link isn't helpful in navigating. Gonnym (talk) 07:07, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

Delete: Currently unused and nearly useless, easily fits reason 3 to delete. CabinetCavers----DEPOSIT OPINION, [valued customer] 14:16, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

Keep: Additional links added (and will be added in the future). Also, the yyyy in tennis templates are in the plans to be merged with {{Years in tennis}}. But that's been put on the backburner, because I'm currently in the works of a multi-page split, creating a new infobox and a calculation template for it as well as busy in everyday life and don't have the time to get around doing everything. 8rz (talk) 14:35, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

Comment: P.S. Merged both sections with identical comments into this subsection. 8rz (talk) 14:39, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 23:43, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 23:03, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template or module's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

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The result of the discussion was delete after substituting in the article Plastikspork _―Œ^(talk) 01:27, 29 June 2026 (UTC)

• Template:Cabinet of Abbas El Fassi vertical (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Cabinet of Abdellatif Filali II vertical (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Cabinet of Abdellatif Filali I vertical (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Cabinet of Abderrahmane Youssoufi II vertical (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Cabinet of Abderrahmane Youssoufi I vertical (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Cabinet of Driss Jettou vertical (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Unused political cabinet table template. Gonnym (talk) 08:48, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

• Keep Template became unusued only because of vandalism in an article. Information thereof could be used elsewhere. --Yabroq (talk) 19:19, 19 May 2026 (UTC)

  Thanks for fixing that. If this table is only used on Government of Morocco then there is no real reason for this article content to be in a template. Are there other pages where this is needed? If there aren't, I propose to subst this to the article. Gonnym (talk) 12:21, 20 May 2026 (UTC)

  Yabroq, would this be acceptable? Primefac (talk) 22:51, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Izno (talk) 23:41, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Note that I am combining multiple identical nominations because they were all a) unused at the time, b) removed due to vandalism, and c) are all only used on a single article. In other words, I see no point in debating each one separately.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 22:58, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Administrator note Just going to wait a few more days for a reply to the query above to give them a chance to reply. Primefac (talk) 12:15, 25 June 2026 (UTC)

Substitute all. Clearly useful tables in terms of the information they provide, but also clearly only useful to have once. Choucas 🐦‍⬛ 16:19, 26 June 2026 (UTC)

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The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more templates or modules. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the template's talk page or in a deletion review).

The result of the discussion was no consensus. There is clear opposition to merging {{infobox opera}} but unfortunately its addition to this nomination has muddled things as some claim opposition only to the opera template while others just give non-template-specific opposition. If {{infobox play}} and {{infobox musical}} are still desired to be merged (and I do see some support for that in between all of the other comments) I see NPASR (with apologies to those who will likely need to comment again on the merge proposal). Primefac (talk) 11:24, 24 June 2026 (UTC)

• Template:Infobox play (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Infobox musical (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Infobox opera (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:Infobox play, Template:Infobox opera & Template:Infobox musical to one unified Infobox.
There is significant overlap between these three infoboxes but both also contain parameters that could be of use in the other. My suggestion is to merge all three to a parent Infobox, perhaps {{Infobox stage performance}}? Obviously not all parameters apply to all 3, but those can be omitted. Also all of these would stay as redirects but I think it would benefit all to merge. Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 03:43, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

Support per nom. Barte (talk) 05:59, 25 May 2026 (UTC)

An infobox stage performance would be confusing and misleading, as both these infoboxes apply to works for the stage, rather than stage performances, and sounds very similiar to Template:Infobox stage production. —BrechtBro (talk) 14:34, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

@BrechtBro: all for a better title here. Again, as a reminder, both {{Infobox play}} & {{Infobox musical}} would both still work... Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 19:23, 26 May 2026 (UTC)

Oppose. The infobox musical template performs two automatic actions (adding a short desc to the article, and listing an article without an infobox image in a special category) that infobox play doesn't. On a less functional note, the live theater industry itself makes a particular distinction between plays and musicals, which the film industry, for example, does not. Saratoga Sam (talk) 14:23, 27 May 2026 (UTC)

Support. Play (theatre), Musical theatre, and Operas (Template:Infobox opera) are all theatrical performances (see the lead sentence in each article). The 1 or 2 unique parameters that might be unique to each is not really a reason to have 3 different infoboxes. Gonnym (talk) 06:48, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

@Gonnym: Didn't even realize there was also a {{Infobox opera}}. I have added that.

@Barte: since you had already voiced your support for the initial TFD, can you confirm if your support extends to merging {{Infobox opera}} as well? --Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 17:11, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

@Zackmann08: I'm out of my depth on that one. Barte (talk) 03:40, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

While opera is a type of theatrical performance, it is generally discussed as a category of music performance rather than as theater, which explains some of the differences between these infoboxes. —BrechtBro (talk) 15:41, 29 May 2026 (UTC)

Support/Comment. I think merging these would see an overall benefit as there are paramaters in one that would be of benefit to the other, however there would need to be an additional paramater for type of production. This could then potentially allow the functionality that Saratoga Sam mentioned to work.Blethering Scot 21:27, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

Comment/Oppose: when infobox opera was created, it was designed intentionally with few parameters, to please members of Classical music who were used to no infobox. I see no reason to give that up. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:04, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

making that oppose to merging infobox opera with the others, neutral regarding a merge of the other two. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 07:04, 6 June 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose – {{Infobox opera}} and {{Infobox musical}} have very different sets of parameters. For opera, these were agreed on over many discussions over many years. It would be a backwards step to merge them, and will confuse editors in both fields. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 22:46, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

  Michael Bednarek can you say more? What parameters would constitute a backwards step or would confuse editors? By my read there is lots of overlap... What is the issue here? Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 23:21, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

  {{Infobox opera}} has parameter |genre= which appears as a subtitle, preceding the composer; {{Infobox musical}} doesn't have |genre= and lists the composer in the box under "Music". {{Infobox musical}} has |Lyrics= and |book=; where should {{Infobox opera}}'s |librettist= appear, and under what heading? {{Infobox musical}}'s |productions= and |awards= is not applicable to operas and will confuse editors. {{Infobox opera}} has |native_name= and related parameter, which are barely relevant to musicals, whereas {{Infobox musical}} has |subtitle=. -- Michael Bednarek (talk) 23:48, 28 May 2026 (UTC)

  Also oppose for the same reasons. These aren't the same traditions, so they won't have the same parameters. It won't make things easier for editors to have to navigate different parameters. MONTENSEM (talk) 08:25, 1 June 2026 (UTC)

• Weak oppose per Michael Bednarek, specifically "genre." Occasionally we find the misuse of infoboxes, inevitably someone will use "Lyrics=" rather than "librettist=" if both were options, which is unnecessarily inaccurate Drew Stanley (talk) 01:49, 29 May 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose, those have distinct functions. Deiadameian (talk) 09:05, 31 May 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose Both templates could use work, but the two are distinct and the differences serve the infoboxes -Dizzycheekchewer (talk) 01:53, 2 June 2026 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Primefac (talk) 22:51, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

• Comment: As an FYI, the Template:infobox play is currently being modified to change some parameter names. If you use that template, you may wish to visit its Talk page and check out the changes. (Edited as Zackmann has revised the pace of changes).::Saratoga Sam (talk) 20:01, 16 June 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose. Concurring with Michael Bednarek helpful and thorough comments, above. Tim riley talk 07:10, 6 June 2026 (UTC)
• Comment: It appears the bulk of the opposition here is (rightly, imo) against the inclusion of {{Infobox opera}} in this proposal, while little touches on the merge of {{Infobox musical}} and {{Infobox play}}. A musical (unlike opera) is a generally considered a type of play; {{Infobox play}} even duplicates the |music= and |lyrics= fields of {{Infobox musical}}, while there's no reason the former shouldn't also have a |subtitle= field, as many plays have subtitles. It seems to be the original proposal to merge play and musical deserves further discussion. I'm out of my depth in assessing the rationale provided by Saratoga Sam regarding automatic functions.—BrechtBro (talk) 01:37, 7 June 2026 (UTC)

Comment I'm confused why this is still open. While the addition of opera has complicated the conversation a little, it still seems the vast majority of people oppose the specific suggestion of a unified "stage performance" infobox. Possibly this could be closed and then reopened if so desired as just a musical v. play discussion. I also encourage a general caution around a potential Chesterton's Fence (especially given the hidden function of the different infoboxes cited by Saratoga Sam) Dizzycheekchewer (talk) 03:44, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose per Michael Bednarek DragonflyDC (talk) 16:21, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose the templates are slightly different. ~~~ Leading-bookkeeper074 (talk page) (my contribs) 07:00, 11 June 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose merging Template:Infobox opera. This template has several topic-specific parameters (nicely enumerated above by User:Michael Bednarek), which are the result of extensive discussions and compromise at Wikiproject Opera. Robert.Allen (talk) 23:02, 14 June 2026 (UTC)

• When do you think a decision will be made on this? It is confusing. Australiantheatre (talk) 04:49, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

  Generally we evaluate in 7-day intervals whether there is still ongoing discussion or a consensus has formed. That could be days, or years, so long as it’s divisible by seven. Bsherr (talk) 18:43, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

• Merge, then make wrappers as needed. Suggest “Infobox theatrical work”. The vocabulary may vary by medium, but consistency in the display of information across these media would be a good thing, not a bad thing. Bsherr (talk) 18:43, 18 June 2026 (UTC)

  I personally think "Infobox theatrical piece" is more appropriate. HugoStd300 (talk) 15:16, 21 June 2026 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2026 June 22. Primefac (talk) 22:52, 22 June 2026 (UTC)

• Template:Infobox_Marvel_Comics_universe (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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The result of the discussion was delete. Izno (talk) 04:21, 12 June 2026 (UTC)

• Template:Tmolep (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Tmolep/begin (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Tmolep/end (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

A single use template on a single article that is only a wrapper around the Episode list template. I have replaced the Tmolep templates with the Episode list and Episode table templates, so the templates are now also redundant. Also for discussion, the template redirect at Tmolep/end X201 (talk) 08:29, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Delete. The standard templates work fine here. Gonnym (talk) 10:47, 3 June 2026 (UTC)

Delete all as unused. The standard templates work just fine. Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 05:00, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2026 June 10. Izno (talk) 05:03, 10 June 2026 (UTC)

• Template:GR_road (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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