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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2026 April 3. Primefac (talk) 01:04, 3 April 2026 (UTC)

• Template:Infobox_swimming_pool (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:Infobox military installation. It sounds like there might be a few parameters that could be merged into the other infobox, discretion of course is advised. Primefac (talk) 13:52, 12 April 2026 (UTC)

• Template:Infobox Maginot Line (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Should be replaced with {{Infobox military installation}}. No need for a specialized Infobox. Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 21:08, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

• Comment: this seems to have a lot of unique parameters. That said, Ouvrage Schoenenbourg shouldn't need two infoboxes. Gonnym (talk) 14:35, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

  Every transclusion of {{infobox Maginot Line}} I looked at also had {{infobox military installation}} so not sure why it is even needed. @Gonnym: I guess what it boils down to is do these Unique parameters you identified fit MOS:INFOBOXPURPOSE? I would argue they do not, but am curious what you think? Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 02:47, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

  I have no idea. I'm only familiar about the topic from WW2 studies but not about each installation, so no idea how important these are. Gonnym (talk) 15:44, 24 March 2026 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. This information is either doable in T:IMI or isn't needed as being too specific. Izno (talk) 23:48, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 20:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

• Template:Timeline Women's National Basketball Association (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Template was only transcluded to Timeline of the WNBA and thus didn't have much reason to be separate from said article to begin with. Assadzadeh (talk) 17:28, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

Delete as unused. Gonnym (talk) 14:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete after subst/replacement (ideally with an archive) per comments by GreenC. Primefac (talk) 01:05, 3 April 2026 (UTC)

• Template:Aviation Safety Network accident history (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

This template generates a citation to the Aviation Safety Network wikibase, which as a wiki is not a reliable source. It was previously discussed at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 491#Is ASN (Aviation Safety Network) a reliable source? where it was pretty unanimous that the source isn’t reliable. We shouldn’t have templates generating links to unreliable sources. Danners430 _{tweaks made} 09:50, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

The "Aviation Safety Network accident history" links don't work anymore and do not have replacements, so this template could just be entirely deleted. Aviationwikiflight (talk) 11:55, 23 February 2026 (UTC)

Comment: I didn't read from the linked discussion that it said the source isn't reliable. It would seem that the /database/ is one that they themselves are maintaining while /wikibase is the user generated one which shouldn't be cited. Regarding the links not working, User:GreenC, is this fixable? Gonnym (talk) 12:32, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

It is fixable: Example. In this snapshot from 2006, there is no indication it is a wiki and wikibase didn't exist until 2012. From the About Us page it has a section on sources: Most of the information contained in the Aviation Safety Network site is based on information from official sources (authorities, safety boards). Sources used as a basis for the accident database are aircraft production lists, ICAO Aircraft Accident Digests since 1952, and NTSB, TSB etc. For a specific list of publications used, check out the references list. Maybe later editions went UGC? But earlier versions look OK. Just need to use the earlier timestamps on the archives. -- GreenC 17:42, 25 February 2026 (UTC)

GreenC, would this sort of fix require the template to be subst first in order for the bot to read the URL and find a suitable archive? Primefac (talk) 14:07, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

I have a feature called "unwind template" which converts custom templates to plain citations ie. in-effect delete the template. Then it becomes a normal URLREQ or IAbot step to add archives. I can do both at the same edit ie. unwind + add archives. If no archive exists because its past the cut off date then the entire citation should probably be deleted to avoid someone else like IABot unwittingly adding archives to resolve a {{dead link}}. -- GreenC 15:51, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting mainly to get it off the old logs while I wait for a reply above.
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The result of the discussion was merge to Template:They or another relevant "they/them/their" variant. Primefac (talk) 14:02, 12 April 2026 (UTC)

• Template:He or she (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:He/she (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Him or her (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:Him/her (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:His or her (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:His/her (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)
• Template:His or hers (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Propose merging Template:He or she with Template:they.
I think that these templates should be redirected (so that old usages do not break/need replacement). Per WP:EDPRONOUNS basically. The whole point of these templates is to be gender-inclusive but if someone goes by "they" then this template will just call them "he or she". It defeats its own purpose because it does this. This may also be considered WP:INCIVIL as a microaggression. Redirect/merge proposals as follows:

• template:he or she and template:he/she→template:they
• template:him or her and template:him/her→template:them
• template:his or her and template:his/her→template:their
• template:his or hers→template:theirs Sahib-e-Qiran, EasternShah 00:15, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

  Probably do not delete or merge, but deprecate if possible. We shouldn't change old uses of the template, but for the future, it should be discouraged for the reasons above. Maybe. I don't know a lot about deprecating. 🫀 Crash // Organhaver ( it / he | talk to me, maybe? ) 19:02, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

These templates seem pointless. Why not just type out his/her instead of using a template to do that? Traumnovelle (talk) 00:25, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

A deletion of all these templates would be more controversial, so I am only advocating for redirecting right now Sahib-e-Qiran, EasternShah 01:00, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

Redirect to four "they" templates. I agree with the list of four mergers in the second section. The nomination is a bit confusing, but I see why the nominations are grouped. The output of "he or she" is incorrect in the modern era for someone whose pronoun is not specified in their preferences; "they" is the appropriate pronoun to use in 2026 for a singular person of unknown gender. The same goes for the other three his/her pronoun templates. This merge should not be technically difficult: we should be able to simply redirect the four sets of "he/she" templates to the four equivalent "they" templates. – Jonesey95 (talk) 12:31, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

Replying to the "oppose" votes: It is unclear to me whether anything has changed in Wikipedia's software, but the templates that are recommended for merging no longer match the English Wikipedia's default language and are exclusionary with the potential to be hurtful. What I see when I go to Preferences and look at the gender choices is this:

Gender used in messages:

• Unspecified: Use gender-neutral terms when possible (e.g. "their contributions", "that editor") (default)
• Use feminine terms when possible (e.g. "her contributions")
• Use masculine terms when possible (e.g. "his contributions")

If we look at Wikipedia's default output when the GENDER magic word is called, we see {GENDER|Jonesey95} outputting "they" because I have the first choice selected (I have chosen not to specify my gender in my preferences, so "they" is the proper, inclusive way to refer to me). The "he/she" and "he or she" style of templates force the "no gender selected" option to output "he or she" instead of the correct, neutral output "they". Forcing this binary output excludes editors who do not identify as one of the two genders, and goes against MOS:GNL and the very helpful explanation about addressing other editors respectfully at Wikipedia:Editors' pronouns. I'm not interested in righting great wrongs here; it's a matter of making template output match the output of Wikipedia's magic word, our MOS, and basic respect for other editors. If people want to subst all of the he/she template instances to preserve what is written on talk pages before redirecting them for future use, I can see value in that, since preserving editors' original words in discussions is also something we value on Wikipedia. – Jonesey95 (talk) 04:43, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

In most cases the output will be exactly identical. In the cases where it will not be, the editor who is being referred to was misgendered. I don't think its a big deal and "preservation" can be ignored Sahib-e-Qiran, EasternShah 22:39, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Oppose per the previous time this was tried - nothing has changed since. * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 21:51, 11 March 2026 (UTC)

Just noting (to be administratively pedantic) that something has changed -- Jonesey95 changed their opinion. I'll probably be relisting this on a fresh date but I wanted to note this separately from the relist notice so it didn't get misplaced. Primefac (talk) 12:17, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose per last TfD. Talk pages are records of what was said and shouldn't be tampered with retroactively. Nardog (talk) 03:30, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

  they don't need to be, the template can be replaced with what was said and then deleted. Right now its duplication. If this is kept, then it wshould be marked as archived or the like. Sahib-e-Qiran, EasternShah 21:49, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose. Not everyone uses the "singular" they. Leave the options open. Masterhatch (talk) 19:32, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

  Singular they is a common pronoun for when the pronouns of someone else is unknown.

  This template also... literally doesn't work like that! The {{they}} template checks a certain user's preferences to see what pronouns/gender they have set in settings. I have "masculine" set in settings, so using the "they" template with my username produces "he".

  The merge just means that the templates would be renamed and the default changed to be inclusive of people who choose to use they. 🫀 Crash // Organhaver ( it / he | talk to me, maybe? ) 00:56, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

• Note: The merger note is currently rendered by every invoking of these templates, making any text where they are already used essentially unreadable. This should supposedly be reverted immediately. If the templates are finally merged, fine, but completely breaking all their usages in the meanwhile seems unacceptable. Gawaon who goes by he (talk) 20:35, 15 March 2026 (UTC)

  This is how TFD is designed to work. – Jonesey95 (talk) 16:39, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

  @Gawaon: I think I saw a userscript at one point that hides these messages... Not sure where it is but might be worth looking at Wikipedia:User scripts/List. If not, you could certainly write one fairly easily... As Jonesey95 said, this is how TFD is designed to work. I agree it is at times unsightly, but without it, people like yourself who use this template, may never have been made aware of the fact that it was up for deletion/merger. Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 05:44, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

  Hmm, okay. Actually I don't use the template, I came to this discussion because it was mentioned on some talk page I'm watching. Gawaon (talk) 08:07, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

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• Support, "he or she" is just wrong and non-inclusive. Skyshiftertalk 14:16, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
• Support. "They" is more general and makes more sense when no specific gender is known. Gawaon (talk) 16:31, 25 March 2026 (UTC)
• Support per Jonesey. Not sure if subst then redirect or just redirect is better here. Not a big deal either way we are talking a few hundred total transclusions with over a hundred from the pronoun template. Majority of cases will give the same result so we are talking about a few dozen minor changes to old discussions. Trialpears (talk) 11:59, 26 March 2026 (UTC)
• Support per Jonesey95. The description/example in Special:Preferences for the "unspecified" option uses "they", so we should respect that preference for users who choose it intentionally. (Maybe there should be a separate option in Special:Preferences for "they/them" versus "unspecified", but there isn't.) We shouldn't have a template that makes it so easy to accidentally misgender someone. Cadddr (talk) 05:09, 27 March 2026 (UTC)
• Support per Jonesey95. Ideally in a way that doesn't impact previous uses (I agree with not changing other editors words in discussions if we can help it), but prioritize fixing this going forward as the higher goal. NerdyEpiscopalian (talk) 18:23, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. As mentioned in the discussion, use as an External link can be simply removed, but any being used as a reference should ideally be subst and tagged as a {{dead link}}. Primefac (talk) 13:55, 12 April 2026 (UTC)

• Template:AcademicSearch (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The Microsoft Academic Research site was shut down on December 31, 2021. Any invocation of this template results in a confusing redirect. I think invocations of the template should be globally replaced with {{citation needed}} templates. Back in 2017, the IDs were renumbered and AFAICT nothing was done to address that. Seems like this template is not maintained, and it would be best just to start over. -- mikeblas (talk) 22:49, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

Delete if can't be fixed. Gonnym (talk) 10:27, 16 March 2026 (UTC)

@GreenC: Can your bot do something useful here re trying to rescue dead links? * Pppery * _{it has begun...} 04:28, 21 March 2026 (UTC)

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• Substantial usage is in external link sections and that can straight up be removed. The citations using the template are more tricky. Perhaps slap a dead link into the template and clearly mark the template as deprecated? I prefer knowing that someone had this as a source rather than removing that information entirely. Trialpears (talk) 12:07, 26 March 2026 (UTC)

  Meh, just delete it. I can do the orphaning work I guess. Trialpears (talk) 20:29, 2 April 2026 (UTC)

• This should probably have gone to WP:URLREQ first, but since we're here, that can happen second I suppose. Izno (talk) 23:49, 28 March 2026 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete after an appropriate replacement is made. Primefac (talk) 01:07, 3 April 2026 (UTC)

• Template:Infobox Disney resort (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

No reason for one brand name (Disney) to have their own custom Infobox for their hotels. Just use {{Infobox hotel}} (which is, of course, {{Infobox building}}). Why not one for all Hilton hotels? Or each Marriott hotel? Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 06:14, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

Replace and delete per nom. These are regular hotels and should use the same infoboxes that other hotels use. Gonnym (talk) 14:36, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 20:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

• Template:NBL map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single-use sports labeled map that has already been replaced by {{OSM Location map}} at National Basketball League (Australia). As such, it is no longer needed. Assadzadeh (talk) 05:30, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

Delete as unused. Gonnym (talk) 14:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was Delete; deleted by Pppery (talk · contribs · blocks · protections · deletions · page moves · rights · RfA) AnomieBOT⚡ 20:09, 31 March 2026 (UTC)

• Template:NBL labeled map (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Single-use sports labeled map that has already been replaced by {{OSM Location map}} at National Basketball League (Australia). As such, it is no longer needed. Assadzadeh (talk) 05:26, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

Delete as unused. Gonnym (talk) 14:37, 23 March 2026 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2026 March 30. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 03:28, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was relisted on 2026 March 30. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 03:27, 30 March 2026 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 22:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

• Template:Rockfleet Broadcasting (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

Rockfleet only owns three TV stations, too few to sustain a navbox. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 04:11, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Csworldwide1 (talk) 04:23, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

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The result of the discussion was delete. (non-admin closure) Zackmann (^{Talk to me}/_{What I been doing}) 22:53, 29 March 2026 (UTC)

• Template:Heartland Media (talk · history · transclusions · logs · subpages)

The company owns two television stations, for which there are not enough links to sustain a navbox. Sammi Brie (she/her · t · c) 04:09, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

• Delete per nom. Csworldwide1 (talk) 04:24, 22 March 2026 (UTC)

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