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While working on filling the outline table, I came across the article Distribution of wealth. I think it belongs to the topic areas covered by our project, but just in case, are there any opinions on whether it makes sense to add it to the project? --Waldir talk 21:01, 24 July 2013 (UTC)

Update: The issue was settled: the article was added to the project as a low-importance topic. Full discussion here. --Waldir talk 08:38, 1 August 2013 (UTC)

Basic income label project

it is combining basic income ,with a 'second stream" of income out out declared work. In order to promote this, comparison between efforts of governments and efforts of(international) companies should be made comparable. An equal acces to declared work seems a prerequiqite. From there, consumers(consumer label) should be enabled, as well as companies or international institutions to evaluate efforts (on results, on level, on effectiveness to create a safe and sustainable 'incomnomy') It also is a base for a possible outcome of the European citizens initiative claiming studies about 'basic income...' As a reaction to some other basic income strategies, it is not promoting laziness, in the contrary: the additional cost of labour should allow everybody to have an equal chance to have declared work. Unpaid work for free, or slightly paid by taxes should allow better ecology, better structures, better ecology...To work or not to work is a free choice, but to have some more income in active periods, you should however participate freely when YOU like to. Undeclared work becomes less problematic, as the 'retributivity' of the second stream gives some rights on the retribution, and other than investments it should automatically follow inflation and economical growth. In this way it's a stable base for credit, so everybody could acces own housing property... The label aspect, should finally result in a consumer label, and CSR (corporate social responsibility) could be supported by trade unions...(soon:www.basicinomelabel.net) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.176.155.205 (talk) 18:48, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

Portal:Social Welfare and Social Work

Shall we connect this project with the new portal under construction Portal:Social Welfare and Social Work, add links and contribute with text and articles? Or better with Portal:Sustainable development, because all human beings can develop themselves to be sustainable entrepreneurs on the basis of unconditional income – or with both? --LudwigSebastianMicheler (talk) 12:50, 6 August 2013 (UTC)

That sounds reasonable; thanks for reaching out. What kinds of specific cooperation actions do you envision? --Waldir talk 23:01, 18 August 2013 (UTC)
From both Portals I have made links back to here. Possibilities: In Portal:Social Welfare and Social Work there are empty subpages, we could write about basic income there, examples or news, e.g. about the ECI-UBI (European Citizens' Initiative – Unconditional Basic Income) or the successful but ongoing de:Initiative Grundeinkommen in Switzerland (a WP-article for translation? – inclusive some of the linked articles, like the basic-income related texts e.g. in de:Endo Anaconda). In: "Do you know?" we could write about Lenkungsabgaben in Switzerland. The government of Switzerland pays back money from some steering-taxes like the Carbon-tax per capita, everybody the same and unconditional, in the principle way of a partial ecological-basic-income (ecological-bonus-principle). In Welfare (a very good visited WP-article!) we should mention the worldwide examples of realized (partial-)basic-income, or contribute something to Welfare#Criticism. Let's bring a little more music, dynamic-balanced-equality and art to this world! --LudwigSebastianMicheler (talk) 03:24, 26 August 2013 (UTC)
Really good ideas! I already added the portals to the BI project's "see also" list. I also added some of the articles you mentioned to the outline table so we can keep track of them. (One question: how should "Initiative Grundeinkommen" be translated?). I left some out as they're not directly related to BI (if we include all tangentially related topics, the list of articles to cover starts getting too overwhelming), but I agree with the changes you propose in them. I would personally like to focus first on assessing the priority articles from that list, however, so we can move forward in a more data-driven way, as well as track our progress. Do you think you can help selecting the top priority items from that list? --Waldir talk 09:13, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Welfare Trap

Isn't one of the main motivations behind the Basic Income that it removes the 'welfare trap', because benefits are no longer means-tested? This fact is not expressed anywhere in the related pages, and is definitely not explained using graphs and mathematics. I think it should be.  Preceding unsigned comment added by LAUBO (talkcontribs) 23:41, 22 December 2013 (UTC)

This is an important point. Withdrawing or reducing benefits when a claimant tries to get out the "welfare trap" penalise the effort. So targeting is a break on people's natural tendency to improve their economic circumstances. Janosabel (talk) 14:51, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

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