Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Board and table games/Archive 5

There are major issues with a few articles. I stubified Mordheim after its been left for over 5 years without references, full of fancruft and lists of things (some of which are probable copyright violations) as well as copy pasted text from old websites violating WP:COPYVIO. That page needs attention but so do Necromunda, Man O' War (game), Space Hulk and others. These pages need to brought into line. A lot of info CAN be sourced be level of fancruft on these pages is way too high--Cailil ^talk 00:45, 19 August 2013 (UTC)

The article Robert Felt reads "In 1990, Felt became the first Scrabble player to win both the US National Scrabble Championship[4] and the UK Scrabble championship in the same year[...]" ... I can't find that anywhere. Sure, sites like this say the same, but the Association of British Scrabble Players lists Philip Nelkon as winner in 1990 (as does the wikipedia-article National Scrabble Championship (UK)), and the Felt Scrabble results at cross-tables.com don't mention the UK win, either. Some Scrabble experts here? Regards, Gott (talk) 16:58, 13 September 2013 (UTC)

I took a photo of my halma board in case it might be useful in our article. But I'm no photographer, so I wanted to ask whether any of you have thoughts on how it could be improved before I add it in. Thanks. Marnanel (talk) 17:21, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

I don't see the point of the box & rules to the side. (Makes it look like an eBay auction photo showing "what you get".) Also image is needs crisp focus. Also crop out any (non-uniform) miscellany at image perimeter. Ihardlythinkso (talk) 19:03, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

I hope I am doing this right .. I have been researching for over half an hour just to finally find this screen!

I am writing because the history on the page for Authors (card game) doesn't bear up. The page shows the first deck of playing cards, released in 1861, included Louisa May Alcott. This seemed odd to me since Little Women (1868), Alcott's most famous work, depicts a family living through several years of the Civil War (1861-65). Alcott did have one small publication prior to the Civil War, but was hardly a famous author with enough renown works to be part of the game. Further research showed me that Robert Louis Stevenson and Mark Twain, also listed as being in the original deck, had no publications until after the Civil War.

I don't know who was in the original deck, as I don't have one, but I am fairly certain these three authors were not.

Blessings, Heather Wigle Cincinnati, OH

Omadarlin (talk) 11:53, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

I added some sources to Middle-earth Collectible Card Game, someone could check if they are sufficient to remove the Unreferenced template ?--Moroboshi (talk) 22:28, 14 January 2014 (UTC)

Draft:Adam Jury and Draft:Steve Crompton are draft space pages related to this WikiProject. If you have any independent reliable sources to add to any of these articles, we may be able to get them moved into article space.

If you are interested in helping out with more drafts, please see my list of draft space pages, and help me reach my goal of eventually getting them all to article space! BOZ (talk) 00:07, 18 January 2014 (UTC)

I can't add any of these people to the site, because I know all of them. But it strikes me that good articles could be written about designers Antoine Bauza, Paul Peterson, Christian T. Petersen, Eric Lang, Donald X. Vaccarino, and Mike Fitzgerald, all of whom are quite well known in our industry. Just a thought. I shall now go back to doing things which I am unbiased about.--Mike Selinker (talk) 17:03, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

FYI a wikiproject for shogi has been proposed. See the proposal at Wikipedia:WikiProject Council/Proposals/Shogi -- 70.24.244.161 (talk) 05:36, 13 February 2014 (UTC)

There is no article for the Finnish board-game award the Vuoden Aikuistenpeli. It is not included in the List of Game of the Year awards (board games). The Vuoden Peli is awarded in three categories: Family Game of the year (since 1994); Children's Game of the Year (since 1994); and Adult Game of the Year (since 1999). From 1994 to 1998 the categories were just Game of the Year and Children's Game of the Year. The Vuoden Aikuistenpeli is mentioned in the 7 Wonders (board game) article, which was the 2011 Adult Game winner. It is not mentioned in the Alhambra (board game) article. Alhambra was the 2005 winner in the Adult Game category. It is not mentioned in the Ticket to Ride (board game) article, which was the winner in 2005 in the Family Game category. The winner in 2011 in the Family Game category was Forbidden Island (board game), which also does not have an article. --Bejnar (talk) 05:10, 8 May 2014 (UTC).

I hate to sound like a jerk, but since these games don't have articles, I would suggest you be bold and start them yourself. Even stubs would be better than no article at all. And it sounds like you have a heaping helping of information (and probably verifiable references) on them already. — Frεcklεfσσt | Talk 14:06, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Board games are not my area of interest at all. I spent just a few minutes to garner that info. The reason I looked up the Vuoden Aikuistenpeli board-game award, was because I was thinking of putting Caribbean (board game) up for deletion, see below. It was listed as a nominee for the Vuoden Aikuistenpeli in 2005. I am not sure whether Vuoden Aikuistenpeli itself is notable or not as "the top board game award" in Finland, but I thought you all might know, or at least have an opinion. --Bejnar (talk) 16:14, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Is there any reason Caribbean (board game) should not be deleted? It seems to have no claim to notability. --Bejnar (talk) 16:14, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

• I have posted Caribbean (board game) for deletion discussion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caribbean (board game). --Bejnar (talk) 00:25, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

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Looking through BoardGameGeek's list of linked reviews/articles/podcasts for a game currently at AfD: Terror in Meeple City (BGG page, AfD). As expected, a number of the sources are not in English. What do people think about which should/should not be considered WP:RS? What are the really well known board game websites internationally (and for that matter, what are the reliable sources in English for those of us less familiar)? This would help with AfDs as well as sourcing the articles, I think. --— Rhododendrites ^talk \\ 18:05, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

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Harej (talk) 16:56, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

It looks like someone (or multiple people) have gone through and added notes to the games in this book, and the designers who commented on them. They did not get every game, so I am going through them one by one to make sure we have at least something from the book on every game article. Hopefully that will help build the articles that are in better shape, and add notability to those which are not! This concerns articles in both the BTG and RPG WikiProjects.

• Acquire
• Amber Diceless
• Amun-Re
• Ars Magica
• Axis & Allies
• Battle Cry
• BattleTech
• Blood Bowl
• Bohnanza
• Britannia
• Button Men
• Call of Cthulhu
• Carcassonne
• Car Wars
• Champions
• Circus Maximus
• Citadels
• Civilization
• Cosmic Encounter
• Cosmic Wimpout
• Dawn Patrol
• Descent
• Diplomacy
• Dungeons & Dragons
• Dynasty League Baseball
• El Grande
• Empires in Arms
• Empires of the Middle Ages
• The Extraordinary Adventures of Baron Munchausen
• Fire and Fury
• Flames of War
• Fluxx
• Formula Dé
• The Fury of Dracula
• A Game of Thrones
• Gettysburg
• Ghostbusters
• The Great Khan Game
• Hammer of the Scots
• Here I Stand
• A House Divided
• Illuminati
• Johnny Reb
• Junta
• Kingmaker
• Kremlin
• Legend of the Five Rings
• Lensman
• London's Burning
• Lord of the Rings
• Machiavelli
• Magic: The Gathering
• Marvel Super Heroes
• Metamorphosis Alpha
• My Life with Master
• Mythos
• Napoleon's Last Battles
• Naval War
• Ogre
• Once Upon a Time
• PanzerBlitz
• Paranoia
• Pendragon
• Pirate's Cove
• Plague!
• Power Grid
• Puerto Rico
• Renaissance of Infantry
• RoboRally
• RuneQuest
• The Settlers of Catan
• Shadowfist
• Shadowrun
• Shadows Over Camelot
• Silent Death: The Next Millennium
• Space Hulk
• Squad Leader
• Stalingrad
• Star Fleet Battles
• The Sword and The Flame
• Tales of the Arabian Nights
• Talisman
• Terrible Swift Sword
• Thurn and Taxis
• Ticket to Ride
• Tigris & Euphrates
• Tikal
• Toon
• Traveller
• Twilight Struggle
• Unknown Armies
• Up Front
• Vampire: The Eternal Struggle
• Vampire: The Masquerade
• Vinci
• War and Peace
• Warhammer 40,000
• The Warlock of Firetop Mountain
• The Warlord
• Wiz-War

It is a big job, so anyone that wants to beat me to it on any of these is more than welcome! Each game gets 2-3 pages of commentary, so there is plenty to work with but I am trying to at least get a minimal effort on each one. 65.126.152.254 (talk) 21:31, 21 January 2015 (UTC)

Be careful with those additions when I look at the book on the catalogs it lists this book as a collection of essays and even by your own words, "commentary" these may not be considered reliable sources. A review of a product does very little to establish notability and essays even less so. Adding them to the articles does no harm, I am simply stating it does not necessarily establish notability. - McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 22:33, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

Well, I'm done, whether or not you approve. I don't know what being an essay or commentary has to do with my additions not being considered reliable sources, or why you think a review or essay has very little to do with establishing notability, but if you have a problem with anything I have added I don't know what to tell you. 65.126.152.254 (talk) 00:23, 29 January 2015 (UTC)

I have begun a merge proposal Here I Stand (boardgame) into GMT Games. Any and all feedback would be appreciated. I would also like to know if there is currently any work done on a notability requirement for table top games, as looking at many of GMT Games games look to not satisfy WP:GNG.- McMatter ^(talk)/_(contrib) 22:28, 23 January 2015 (UTC)

A requested move discussion has been initiated for American mahjong to be moved to American Mah Jongg. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. —RMCD bot 23:17, 28 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi, I recently created the article Backgammon match strategy which is now being threatened with deletion. Any help improving it would be appreciated. MaxBrowne (talk) 13:12, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

The usage and primary topic of Eurogame is under discussion, see talk:German-style board game -- 67.70.32.190 (talk) 04:28, 20 July 2015 (UTC)

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WP has amazing coverage of card games, thinks largely to User:Bermicourt. But he recently resigned suddently, when he got pushback from editors on his over-capitalized style. This is a great loss. I've been poking around at card games, motivated by fixing the over capping at first, but realizing what a huge thing he had in progress. Particularly, it seems he was recently most of the way through converting game categorization to use John McLeod's (pagat.com's) "group" taxonomy, as opposed to the earlier "family" notation of Parlett's various publications. So I'm trying to understand what makes sense to do there. Are we happy adopting the taxonomy of pagat.com (a great resource site, for sure!)? Or would we be better off sticking with something sourced to more publications with more editorial oversight? I'm not about to make any major changes myself, but I think that if we like the pagat.com system, we should have an article on it, and make it more clear where the "group" nomenclature comes from. Any other card editors out there, or others with ideas and opinions? Dicklyon (talk) 04:46, 10 January 2024 (UTC)

@Dicklyon Sadly, I think Bermi was the only person who could comment on this :( I hope he comes back. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 02:11, 13 February 2024 (UTC)

The International Playing Card Society recognizes both Parlett's book and McLeod's site on their FAQ. Wikipedia's category tagging system allows a game to fall under multiple categories, so I don't think we should restrain ourselves towards one scheme or another. We could always update the card game infobox to have "family" and the new "group" with links to Parlett's or McLeod's classification system. 72.216.186.113 (talk) 00:17, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Theros Block (Magic: The Gathering) to be moved to Theros Block. This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. Sariel Xilo (talk) 20:24, 8 September 2024 (UTC)

The last maybe 10 years or so (at best) have seen an explosion in WP:RS game websites to provide a wealth of sources to really make tabletop game articles sparkle and shine. I was reminded today that the 10 years or so before that are a much harder time to find sources for; game websites like we have now were still just developing into a thing, and the old reliable sources – games magazines, that is – were dying out. The second version of Pyramid from SJG was published online until 2008 and the third version after that did not review games from other companies; InQuest lasted until 2007; Dragon remained in print form until 2013; German magazine Envoyer ended in 2008; one rare exception is French magazine Casus Belli which (aside from ending in 2006 and starting again in 2010) has continued in production now for over 40 years. I can't speak to how long any of those continued to review games from other companies, but they all did for a substantial portion of their print runs.

I said all that to say that games made in the past 10 years should theoretically be easier to source than those from the early 2000s, in theory. To test my theory, I went to my games deletion list and picked out some more recently deleted game articles and drafts.

• Adventurer's Kit AFD - 2015 educational board game
• Assassinorum: Execution Force AFD (redirected) - 2015 boxed game set in the Warhammer 40,000 universe
• Brix (abstract strategy game) AFD - 2016 abstract strategy game
• Fortnite Monopoly (redirected; also an abandoned draft) - 2018 variant based on the video game
• Game of HAM (abandoned draft) - 2019 modular party card and board game
• Holdfast: Atlantic 1939-1945 (abandoned draft) - 2016 block-based strategic board wargame
• Platinum Series Baseball (PROD) - 2015 two player tabletop dice-and-card baseball strategy game
• Puzzlage (PROD) - 2015 jigsaw-puzzle word search game
• Roll for the Galaxy (abandoned draft) - 2014 dice game of building space empires by Rio Grande Games
• Star Breach AFD - 2018 sci-fi tabletop skirmish game
• Twin Tin Bots AFD - 2014 board game designed by Philippe Keyaerts and published by Flatlined Games
• Warcry (Tabletop Game) (abandoned draft) - 2019 miniatures game based on Warhammer
• Zoophoria AFD - board game published in 2014

If you spot any sources that can be used to restore any of these, let me know! :) BOZ (talk) 01:27, 7 April 2023 (UTC)

Looking at those, I am familiar with Roll for the Galaxy. A quick Google (reviews+awards) suggests it is notable. We should probably ask for a refund of the draft. I'll do so now. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:23, 20 June 2023 (UTC)

Looks like it's ready for you to take over. BOZ (talk) 00:00, 21 June 2023 (UTC)

@Timur9008, do you see anything for any of these more recent games? BOZ (talk) 13:56, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

For Fortnite Monopoly (release date), (page 7, NPD mention), (The Washington Post mention). But that's about it. Timur9008 (talk) 14:51, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

I will see what I can do with that! BOZ (talk) 16:03, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi. I run fairly new board game media outlet. We're working on our processes to be recognized as a reliable source as I see there is room for more reliable sources. I have read over WP:BGS and I understand there is some leeway compared to other WikiProjects for reliable sources. Do you have any clear-cut list of requirements that you follow when reviewing sources?

In the meantime, I was also wondering what are the requirements to at least start being recognized as an unreliable source to start. Thanks for your time. MeepleMovers (talk) 16:39, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi there! I'm sure everyone here appreciates your interest in improving our coverage of board games, but I think if you add content that you can only source to yourselves, then besides the potential for it being construed as a conflict of interest, I'm not sure you would be able to satisfy concerns that you are a self-published source. That said, I may be wrong; I find your description of yourself as a "board game media outlet" to be a bit vague. If you mean that you're a publication and that you'd be supplementing Wikipedia articles by citing your own content, that's definitely a conflict of interest concern. It might help us if you clarified your position within the boardgaming arena a bit, but in any event I'd encourage you to review the links I've shared. Cheers, and I hope you'll enjoy your time here! DonIago (talk) 17:55, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Magic: The Gathering has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 16:17, 23 November 2024 (UTC)

Tafl games has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 23:05, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Is it possible we could compile a glossary of Scrabble page? Such a thing may be problematic, as I have not found that many in the way of sources to cite for such a glossary. --  Denelson83  04:45, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

What would such a page contain? DonIago (talk) 16:05, 21 January 2025 (UTC)

Terms people who are not familiar with Scrabble would want to know, such as "tile", "hook", or "bingo". --  Denelson83  16:27, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Is there a reason why any terms that have been discussed by sources can't be added to the main Scrabble page? DonIago (talk) 18:07, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Because then Scrabble would be the only game to have its glossary in the main article for the game, as far as I can tell. --  Denelson83  19:28, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

I don't look at many board game articles; but I've never seen an article that was a glossary for a board game. Some examples might help? DonIago (talk) 20:20, 23 January 2025 (UTC)

Glossary of chess. --  Denelson83  07:52, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the example! That looks, at a glance, like a pretty well-developed and sourced list. If there are sources for Scrabble terms, perhaps a glossary could be built, though I share the below concern regarding WP:GNG. One possible point of distinction is that Scrabble is a proprietary game whereas chess is not. DonIago (talk) 13:52, 27 January 2025 (UTC)

I am not convinced glossaries meet WP:GNG, although I am aware they exist (including Glossary of board games). But you can always try to create it and see what happens. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 04:42, 24 January 2025 (UTC)

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The article Kinito has been proposed for deletion because of the following concern:

Unreferenced and unimproved for over 15 years. Appears to be a drinking game only done in the Basque region of Spain.

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Hi there, I was advised to seek an editor here. I would like to create an article page for a Historical Miniatures Game called Blood & Plunder by the publisher Firelock Games. Since I work for the company, I was told there is a COI clause in wikipedia therefore it's best to seek an editor here to do the job instead of doing it myself.
I do, however, have plenty of references to the game in the form of Articles, Reviews and Youtube videos. I hope I posted in the right place.
Thank you in advanced to whomever takes interest in this request. Blundermonkey (talk) 15:14, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi, thanks for reaching out! I'm willing to look into this game and check out at any references you have. I did some quick searching and found a couple of promising things, so I'll start a draft, but I cannot guarantee anything. Feel free to contact me here or at my talk page. Salem Ander (talk) 23:08, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

@Salem Ander If you could link all the sources you found, it would help. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:06, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

I published Blood & Plunder as an article but anything you can add to it would be great. Blundermonkey gave me this list of sources and I also found these two magazine articles: Irregular, Wargames Soldiers and Strategy Salem Ander (talk) 12:46, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

@Salem Ander Looks ok-ish for now (feel free to nominate it for front page exposure, see WP:DYK). Would be good to expand reception, if there's any more non-social media/self-published coverage. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:21, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Please add reliable sources to this article. Bearian (talk) 23:42, 17 July 2025 (UTC)

@Bearian There's already a template for it. If you think the article has been ignored for too long and fails inclusion criteria, including WP:V/WP:OR, WP:AFD can be started at any time. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 08:05, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

If I bluntly say I'm warning you that I'm going to AfD, then I'll get flamed out on my talk page —but yes. Bearian (talk) 09:52, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

@Bearian Not by me... sorry you had to face some inclusionist wrath - if they cross the rules, bring them to AN. Or tell me, I don't mind being a busy body and giving someone a warning for violating WP:CIV/WP:NPA. In either case, I'll likely support deletion - I just did BEFORE on this and got nothing except blogs and social media, so this fails WP:V and WP:GNG IMHO. Also, likely WP:COI issue - creator is one User:Bob Cordery, inactive since 2010, while the article stays "developed by Tim Gow (with the assistance of Bob Cordery)". _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:24, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

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Is there a justification for articles like Poker, Pinochle, and Contract bridge to treat their subjects as common nouns, not capitalized but for Skat (card game), History of Skat, and Euchre to consistently capitalize the names of those respective games? In the same vein, I note that in some cases both the rank and suit of cards is capitalized, even inconsistently so within the Skat and Euchre articles, at the least: "Ten", "Jack", "Ace". I don't see that any of these should be capitalized when not at the beginning of a sentence. Should these all be changed? Largoplazo (talk) 16:49, 20 September 2025 (UTC)

@Largoplazo I'm not sure about card games, but at least for the cards themselves, I think we should follow the MOS of both:

• Wikipedia:WikiProject_Poker/Guidelines#Card_names_and_suits and
• Wikipedia:WikiProject_Contract_bridge/Manual_of_Style#Card_rank_presentation

that is, the ranks and suits should be lowercase Planettop92 (talk) 04:00, 22 September 2025 (UTC)

Recently there has been a debate between me and @Ihardlythinkso over whether draughts pages should use a specially made template to show the board or an image. initially this discussion was had on IHTS's talk page but he strongly objected to it being held there and deleted it several times. So I, on the advice of @Bruce leverett have decided to move the discussion here. to read the previous discussion, see this page. PharaohCrab (talk) 11:44, 24 September 2025 (UTC)

The relevant pages include Checkers, Canadian checkers, Czech draughts, Tanzanian draughts, English draughts, Brazilian draughts, Armenian draughts, Malaysian/Singaporean checkers, and perhaps others. An example of the kind of change PharaohCrab has been making can be found here.

He has created a template, {{Draughts diagram 12x12}}, which allows him to specify the positions of all the pieces on a 12x12 board, in a simple notation, which is almost self-explanatory. He used an invocation of this template to replace an earlier diagram, which was a .PNG file. Invocastions of this template can easily be edited by Wikipedia editors, whereas .PNG files must be created using some other tool, I know not what. Moreover, editing the template itself, to create a template for 10x10 or 8x8 or whatever boards, looks straightforward, if tedious.

The problem is that, if you look at the "before" and "after" versions of Canadian checkers for this diff, you will see that the colors in the diagram have changed, in an obvious way. The dark squares are darker than one usually sees in checkerboard and chessboard diagrams, both in and out of Wikipedia. Of course, tastes differ, but these checkers-related articles have been using a lighter and brighter shade of green for many years, and understandably, Ihardlythinkso has complained.

In examining the template itself, I found that each square of the diagram is depicted using one of ten different .SVG files: dark piece on dark square, dark king on dark square, light piece on dark square, light king on dark square, dark piece on light square, dark king on light square, light piece on light square, light king on light square, empty dark square, empty light square. For example, dark piece on dark square is File:Draughts dd44.svg. These images are quite old (dd44 dates to April 2008), but until the recent changes they had apparently fallen into disuse.

It would be desirable to get the best of both worlds: to use well-designed templates to create diagrams for checkers and related games; but to use colors for the squares and pieces that are already in wide use. Any suggestions for achieving that? Bruce leverett (talk) 04:35, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

It would be pretty easy for me to update the images to use the colors from @IHTS's images and I will do that as soon as a consensus is reached (assuming the consensus is that the colors should be changed). PharaohCrab (talk) 12:26, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

Here are some things to watch for:

• The article Tanzanian draughts originally used a completely different color scheme, with blue and white squares, and black and red pieces. If this is how diagrams are generally colored in Tanzanian published sources, then we should be following it; but if it is just an idiosyncratic color choice by the original editor, we may not be obliged to adhere to it.
• The article Turkish draughts should follow the Turkish draughts convention of using a monocolored board.

Bruce leverett (talk) 04:08, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

144 images is above MOS:ACCIM's guideline of 100 max 2600:8800:4000:20E:411A:F439:8798:4273 (talk) 09:29, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

Templates may cause accessibility issues. There's an ongoing discussion about it with the {{goban}} template with it's large use of images not being screen-reader friendly. 2600:8800:4000:20E:411A:F439:8798:4273 (talk) 09:20, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

That is an interesting point but I disagree, the goban is significantly larger then any of mine and the 12x12 version of the template amount of images wont be that much of a problem (i hope) because 144 isn't a crazy amount bigger then 100 and the files it uses are all tiny with the largest only being 2 kilobytes. PharaohCrab (talk) 11:43, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

Will update here, am relatively inactive and do have a RL! Meanwhile, how am I expected to discuss w/ a user who calls me "Dude" (insulting), is sarcastic at me ("Happy now?"), apparently never read WP:BRD preferring to edit-war, posted multi times to my Talk after being clearly told not to post there, evidenced no understanding of the content of articles he changes (e.g. adding algebraic notation to checkers diags when those games use an entirely different notation system not algebraic), having no concept of esthetics (intruducing headache-producing colors saying in his opinion they are good, introducing unnecessary/non-standard thick black grid lines into board diag template using two colors for squares where, like chess, the two colors differentiate between squares), etc. You'll notice that this user attempted to create a 12x12 template using algebraic notation, apparently w/ intent to clobber Canadian checkers article w/ it, then abandoning same, apparently after being told by me that was wrong and misguided. Did this editor discover the list of my article creations on my Talk and then target them?! Why so aggressive and obsessed w/ templates. He answered there are "many advantages" to templates but his reasons given are questionable, for example ease of changing the position of pieces, but for an initial config diagram for a game the position of pieces never changes, ever. (Making init board config setups easily changed actually introduces a drawback for e.g. experienced numerous times at Raumschach, where the init squares for unicorns and knights have been incorrectly and repeatedly reversed by users who think they know something, causing repeated repairs by editors like me when finally noticing their alteration, meanwhile how many WP readers were unknowingly misinformed?) And how does algebraic notation on four board sides help anything in any way?! It doesn't, it's unnecessarily complex looking and distracting for no gain. There will be more to say, meanwhile Pharaoh has learned along the way so perhaps won't be needing to be rudely educating him further? We'll see. --IHTS (talk) 23:08, 17 October 2025 (UTC)

Its a bit weird how you are trying to make me look rude and the only example you can provide is a bit of sarcasm and being called "Dude" which I think is one of the least offensive thing to call someone who you feel is being unreasonably. while you have called me "Edit Warrior", "bully", and "fucker". Also just so you know, I am not targeting you specifically. the reason it looks like that is probably because you have created quite a few articles and some were inconsistent in my eyes with other articles (which something I value greatly). and you only see my edits on your pages. PharaohCrab (talk) 02:51, 18 October 2025 (UTC)

Hello, I am writing an article, Dorfromantik (board game), which is being peer reviewed right now. Would anyone here care to take a look at it? Thanks, Chorchapu (talk | edits) 13:13, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Since the M: TG project only has a handful of active members I thought I would post this here as well since it is ultimately relevant to this project. I am copy pasting what I posted on the WP:MTG talk page:

I am inviting any and all input on a discussion that I have opened on Infobox Magic: The Gatherings set. I would like to update the set info to have some extra lines for the newer sets. We're missing A LOT of articles for sets since WOTC switched off of blocks and would like to make the Infobox more relevant. I am copying directly from my post on the talk page:

I would like to update this template to be easier to use with the new set format. I.e. include new optional lines for arcs (blocks being the other option), include lines for the commander sets because they are included alongside each set now, and a line for whether the set is Universes Beyond or Universes Within. Would appreciate any and all input, would like to have consensus before I add these lines. I do not want to remove any lines since they are relevant to the older sets still.

Thank you Snuggle 🖤 (talk) 03:05, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

@Snugglebuns Be bold, I say. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:38, 28 October 2025 (UTC)