Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket/Archive 95

This merge has been managed incorrectly so far, wiping out useful pages with no links to their history, and creating pages with unattributed content. Please see this discussion for a few details. There are probably more pages that have been processed incorrectly. – Jonesey95 (talk) 13:57, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I have recovered all the discussions and put them in the archives of Asia tf. Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:08, 14 November 2024 (UTC)

Some scorecards link to Cricinfo and some to Cricket Archive. I've got no issue with Cricket Archive except it doesn't allow you to see the card. I don't imagine this is a new issue. What was resolved previously? MaskedSinger (talk) 09:15, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

They pay-walled their content 5-odd years ago, so the links are probably from before then. Liberal use of the escape key whilst the page is starting to load will let you see most stuff on there! Spike 'em (talk) 09:31, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Thanks @Spike 'em! Should we switch over the links to cricinfo? MaskedSinger (talk) 09:34, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

There is nothing inherently wrong in using WP:PAYWALLed references, though it's obviously easier to verify using non-paid content such as Cricinfo. There are 100s of pages linking to CricketArchive so would be quite an undertaking to replace them all. Spike 'em (talk) 10:16, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

Just in case if someone is thinking about switching,

• List scorecard links to cricketarchive.com - thousands of them.
• List scorecard links to cricketarchive.co.uk - 587 of them.

Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:39, 20 November 2024 (UTC)

If switching from Cricket Archive to Cricinfo, editors need to be careful that we're not using verifiability. Cricinfo does not list all women's domestic cricket tournaments, whereas I believe Cricket Archive does- so for many women's cricketers, Cricinfo is not a valid source for all of their infobox statistics. e.g. Nat Sciver-Brunt has Women's List A stats listed in her infobox, and those stats are not on her Cricinfo profile, as that only lists a handful of domestic T20 tournament stats and no List A (50 over) stats. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:54, 21 November 2024 (UTC)

Both Lanka Premier League and Bangladesh Premier League appear to have teams that change their suffix every season. Looking at the cricketer categories for the LPL and we still have 'Galle Gladiators cricketers' even though the Galle team have had two new names since and probably a third on it’s way. To save future work of renaming and to remain accurate, would it make sense to simply rename the categories as Galle franchise cricketers, Galle LPL franchise cricketers or Galle (LPL franchise) cricketers? JP (Talk) 11:14, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Great proposal. I prefer your first option, without BPL/LPL/IPL, because even the leagues themselves get rebranded. We should roll it out worldwide, if necessary. ReturnDuane (talk) 22:11, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello all. As a project we have 321 featured works, mostly featured lists. Where do we all stand with increasing this number, particularly for non-list articles? Does anyone have any up-and-coming articles headed toward FA status? Any particular areas we should focus on going forwards? AA (talk) 16:41, 3 November 2024 (UTC)

I've read several cricket articles which are either FA or GA, and haven't seen any significant difference in standard. I presume there are some higher bar FA criteria which some reviewers apply rigidly? I'd suggest the GA material (143 in total) is the best place to find FA candidates but, without knowing the criteria gap, I wouldn't be able to recommend specifics.

The trouble with classifications like these is that a good article is a good article, and it is someone's opinion whether it gets published (real world) or featured (here). ReturnDuane (talk) 07:29, 7 November 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like the avenue to go. I also think there should be articles we need to prioritise. For example, Shane Warne, or W. G. Grace, so historically significant articles, or articles important to the game, such as Laws of Cricket. I'd bypass GA and head straight to FA. GA had me on hold for 5 months and a rather back and forth frustrating experience, which has put me off going back. AA (talk) 22:12, 10 November 2024 (UTC)

I see what you mean about GA delay. The oldest nomination there now is Atlanta Braves, since 22 February! I agree with your priorities, and Laws is especially important. Some major players including Bradman, Headley, Rhodes, and Hobbs are already at FA but, as you say, the likes of Grace, Sobers, Warne, Tendulkar, Murali, and a few others should ideally be there too. I might have more time for WP come the New Year so I'll think about adopting an article then. ReturnDuane (talk) 16:02, 15 November 2024 (UTC)

Hi again, AA. I was in a secondhand bookshop yesterday and saw the Grace biography by Simon Rae. It's highly rated and, having read the first three chapters, I think it's excellent. So, I'll adopt WG and, time permitting, see what I can do to improve it, but the main problem is its size. It's a big article about the Big 'Un. ReturnDuane (talk) 22:21, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

I also have the Rae book, and agree that it's excellent. ISTR some years ago adding some stuff from it to the article. Checking, I see that Rae's name appears no less than 58 times in the article, so there must be quite a bit from his book already included, though most of it I think was not added by me. One surprising omission in Rae's book is that I don't think it mentions his football at all. JH (talk page) 09:41, 29 November 2024 (UTC)

Hello all. Would anyone be kind enough when they have a spare few minutes to source review my FLC? Much appreciated in advance :) AA (talk) 13:56, 1 December 2024 (UTC)

The Hadi article once had a screenshot of his obituary in Indian Express that got deleted for copyright violation - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Upload?wpDestFile=Syed_Mohammed_Hadi.jpg If admins can still access it, can someone please share this picture (via web.archive, google photos etc). For reference; not for reusing in wikipedia. Tintin 16:27, 22 November 2024 (UTC)

Yes, I can see the deleted image, and it contains nothing that would not be otherwise available in other reliable sources about Hadi. And no, I will most certainly not share it. For a start, please see WP:LINKVIO. --Shirt58 (talk) 🦘 10:49, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Hello everyone,

I hope that you are in good spirits. My name is Serine Ben Brahim and I am a part of the Let’s Connect working group - a team of movement contributors/organizers and liaisons for 7 regions : MENA | South Asia | East, South East Asia, Pacific | Sub-Saharan Africa | Central & Eastern Europe | Northern & Western | Latina America.

Please source this. Bearian (talk) 15:00, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

I don't think the club is in any way notable, so I'm surprised that the article has survived so long since it was created in 2009. So sourcing it would be a waste of time. (I imagine that in the reference to 1666 in the fist paragraph "country" is a typo for "county".) JH (talk page) 16:22, 11 December 2024 (UTC)

• Following the discussion took place at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Cricket, set of new task forces have been created and has been added to the WikiProject banner as well.
  1. Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/ICC cricket task force
  2. Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Women's cricket task force
  3. Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Africa cricket task force
  4. Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Americas cricket task force
  5. Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Asia cricket task force
  6. Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/EAP cricket task force
  7. Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Europe cricket task force
• Everyone interested in the topic are welcome to join the task forces!
• Also, you are requested to mark the articles under the scope of each task force by adding the relevant parameters to the talkpage banner:

  |ICC=yes for ICC cricket task force

  |Women's=yes for Women's cricket task force

  |Africa=yes for Africa cricket task force

  |Americas=yes for Americas cricket task force

  |Asia=yes for Asia cricket task force

  |EAP=yes for EAP cricket task force

  |Europe=yes for Europe cricket task force

This message was sent to you because you have been added to the WikiProject Cricket's news mailing list. To opt-out of future mailings, please remove yourself here.

MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 03:59, 18 December 2024 (UTC)

@AssociateAffiliate and Joseph2302: Is there an invite template for the Cricket WikiProject, I tried searching but couldn't exactly find any... Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 16:22, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

There is one at Template:WikiProject Cricket welcome. JP (Talk) 18:40, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Happy New Year all! I have a couple more Hampshire cricketers lined up for FA nom and wondered if anyone would be kind enough to review them? Any additions/suggestions much appreciated :)

• Roy Marshall
• Mike Barnard (sportsman)
• Henry Horton (sportsman)

AA (talk) 20:22, 31 December 2024 (UTC)

Hi, AA, and all the best to you for 2025. I'll try to find time to look at these. I have a full set of the original Playfair handbooks (1948–1962) and these guys feature in those so I'll see if there's anything that could be useful. For example, although I need to check, I think Roy Marshall may have been in one of their teams of the year.

On the subject of reviews, we were discussing key articles in need of improvement some weeks ago and I said I would look at W. G. Grace. I've been making occasional forays into it and have just completed a full restructure to give it some balance and remove repetition. I'd like it to go to FA someday if possible but it still needs more research, especially of contemporary sources like the old Cricket magazine. I don't suppose anyone will pick it up in the near future, but I've placed it in the WP:GAN queue as I think it's ready for a review in terms of prose, lead, sources, NOR/NPOV, images, etc. The only thing that will change, if more content is unearthed, would be just that—more content.

If anyone here can look at WG and make or suggest improvements, that will be great. Having said that, bear in mind it's still a very long article! ReturnDuane (talk) 12:14, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi @ReturnDuane, thank you and all the best in 2025 for you too. That would be great to see if there is any addition stuff for these articles, particularly Marshall, who I shall likely to take to FA in the next few weeks.

I must have missed that discussion a few weeks ago (I'm guilty of not really visiting here all that often!). I'd be happy to have a look at W. G. and see what I can add. It would be nice to aim for FA for at least 10% of England Test cricketers, ~ 80 or so. Wynyard has been promoted, so that's another one done! The GAN queue is quite the queue, have several I want to take there, but by the time the review is complete I can probably bring them to FA!!! AA (talk) 21:40, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

A user (Csknp) has brought it up on my user talkpage that the {{Twenty20 competitions}} navbox is different from {{First-class cricket domestic competitions}} and {{List A cricket domestic competitions}} and it should be made similar as {{Twenty20 cricket domestic competitions}} as they did in this edit.

I am opposing this because, unlike FC or LA, T20 cricket includes multi-national competitions such as Global Super League, Champions League Twenty20 etc. which are not domestic competitions. I have brought this here for a wider discussion and inputs from other users. Read the discussion on my user talkpage as well (User talk:Vestrian24Bio#Template:Twenty20 cricket domestic competitions discussion). Vestrian24Bio 02:48, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

This should probably be discussed on the template's talk page. You may like to copy existing discussions/arguments there. ~ ToBeFree (talk) 06:43, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

@Joseph2302: courtesy ping. Vestrian24Bio 02:25, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

What should the English county women's teams articles be named? Reason I'm asking is that the Essex women article has been moved a couple of times recently from "Essex Women cricket team" to "Essex women's cricket team". I've raised Technical RMs to move it back (twice) but not sure if I am doing the right thing. There was a discussion on Talk:Berkshire Women cricket team in October but it was inconclusive and the existing names were kept. Essex are still officially called Essex Women, so would that be the correct name? Bcp67 (talk) 21:33, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

My view is same as I posted on that RM: wait for 2025 season to start and see what the WP:COMMONNAME for them is then. Joseph2302 (talk) 21:44, 9 January 2025 (UTC)

I would say "Essex women's cricket team" to be WP:CONSISTENT with national teams, but in this case wait for the season to commence per Joseph. Vestrian24Bio 01:37, 10 January 2025 (UTC)

One thing that's popped into my mind recently - a long time ago I had an edit war with an editor after I moved a cricketer (I forget who) between categories on one of their team pages on the grounds that his own article listed him accordingly (which are more often than not backed up by a source for each player specifically). However, for team articles a link-to-the-team page seems to be overriding it all? For example, Ollie Pope is listed as a batter on his own page, Surrey, and London Spirit, but as a wicket-keeper on Adelaide Strikers. Spa-Franks (talk) 21:02, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

I hasn't been paying any attention to BBL, but it does seem that Pope is 1st choice keeper for Adelaide, but does not fulfil this role for any other domestic team. Spike 'em (talk) 21:19, 3 January 2025 (UTC)

That's as maybe, but doesn't actually answer my query, only one example. Spa-Franks (talk) 17:42, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, I realised after I replied that it wasn't too helpful to the overall question. If teams release a squad list, or maintain one on their website, that mention player roles then I'd go with that. Many players seem to be classified differently in different sources, particularly all-rounders and occasional keepers like Pope. Spike 'em (talk) 19:37, 11 January 2025 (UTC)

Where was this image of James Lillywhite's 1876-77 touring team originally published? I can't seem to find where it originally came from, anyone have any ideas? Taking Southerton to FA and will inevitably be quizzed who the original publisher was! AA (talk) 00:49, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

That's a difficult one but I would guess it was taken at Lord's, and so it may have been commissioned by MCC. I see it was uploaded to WP from Reddit, but there's no certainty it was ever published in print. Reddit might have obtained it as part of a collection. It is definitely public domain, though. Good luck. ReturnDuane (talk) 01:31, 5 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi, @AssociateAffiliate: by chance, I've seen the photo on page 13 of David Frith's England versus Australia compendium (published 2007 by Penguin). The caption gives the names of the players, plus A. Hogben (described as "tour financier", and looking decidedly shifty with the camera on him!). There are over 1,300 images in the book and David acknowledges a vast list of sources on page 4. A few exceptions apart, none of the 19th Century images including this one can be acknowledged, and David provides a caveat about them, saying: "All other illustrations are from the author's private collection of photographs, scrapbooks, postcards, cigarette cards, prints, books, and relics".

Which leaves us none the wiser, except that David obviously found, or even purchased, the photo somewhere and, as there was no copyright on it by 2007, decided to use it in his book. It does facilitate things for you, though, should anyone ask about it, because you can cite it as public domain and published by David in 2007. ReturnDuane (talk) 15:21, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

Geoffrey Boycott has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 23:48, 17 January 2025 (UTC)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Csknp

(sock deserving ban) 93.140.145.117 (talk) 11:21, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

Hi - Can any one find books or offline coverage where Bob Willis's five-wicket hauls are covered, even partially? Gheus (talk) 20:39, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

As well as the escape key trick, it is possible to view pages on CricketArchive by other means. It seems any player / match / stats list is available via another domain (in basic form). If you have a link of the format cricketarchive.com/Archive/* then you can see the same page by going to stats.acscricket/Archive/*.

As an example if you wanted to view this random match (which may involve a member of this project!) https://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Scorecards/436/436049.html you can instead go to https://stats.acscricket.com/Archive/Scorecards/436/436049.html

Similarly for players, instead of https://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Players/4/4263/4263.html try https://stats.acscricket.com/Archive/Players/4/4263/4263.html

It's particulary useful if you need / want to navigate aroud a player's stats / matches, removing the need for constant escaping.

We could also look into replacing any such links on pages, which would be a lot easier than trying to find alternative sources, as was suggested recently

Disclaimer : You could also just pay for a subscription! Spike 'em (talk) 10:00, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

It's useful, but would it work for all links... Vestrian24Bio 10:18, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

It has worked for everything I've checked, and it uses the same database. From ACS page : The Records Section draws on the unmatched database held by CricketArchive, and clicking on the name of a player or match will take you directly to the relevant page on CricketArchive. The ACS is pleased to acknowledge the support of CricketArchive for the Records Section. Spike 'em (talk) 10:59, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

That's really good. Vestrian24Bio 11:02, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

• Hatton Park, Wellingborough (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)
• Hatton Park (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

I have bad news for you, cricketists. Hatton Park, Wellingborough is not dead, and isn't just a cricket ground. And in the meantime an editor who has been giving Wikipedia a load of fake suburbs has created a fake suburb from a source that was about a match at the cricket ground. Uncle G (talk) 02:46, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

Hello everyone. I just wanted to ask if I should move English cricket team in India in 2024–25 to English cricket team in India in 2025. All the matches are in 2025, so it seems weird for 2024 to be there. I just wanted to ask if it's supposed to be like this TNM101 (chat) 14:54, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

It is taking place during the 2024-25 cricket season, which has long been the convention in naming such articles. Spike 'em (talk) 15:38, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, never knew of this TNM101 (chat) 16:04, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Cricket seasons for tours, years for tournaments. Vestrian24Bio 16:10, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

Got it TNM101 (chat) 16:11, 22 January 2025 (UTC)

I have redirected said page to avoid confusion - we do tend to get redirects for such instances, albeit not always. Spa-Franks (talk) 12:17, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Hi. I've long wanted to edit cricket articles here on WP, due to a supposedly "closeted" love for the sport from across "the pond", but I'm really disappointed in the fact that I can't read the portal's front page (and the summary box on the talk page) at all in dark mode, and even when I highlight the text, it is very hard to read. Only Wikilinks are readily visible in it so far, but not the contexts for them. Anyway, is it possible to come up with a dark mode-friendly color scheme for this portal? -- JustJamie820 (talk) 03:10, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

front page appears fine on webview, not sure about the mobile view though. Vestrian24Bio 06:25, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Vestrian24Bio they are referring to Wikipedia:Dark mode settings, where the background is black. Not sure how other places on Wiki make pages dark mode accessible, so imagine this is a wider issue. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:14, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Although JustJamie820 what problem with the page are you having? I tried dark mode on my phone and all the text is white so readable. Joseph2302 (talk) 09:20, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

I am aware of Wikipedia:Dark mode Joseph, but I don't see what's the problem with it. Vestrian24Bio 11:49, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

Both on mobile and on my computer, the text is black (or really dark gray) and the background is black. When I highlight the black/dark gray text on my computer, it is a dark blue, which is only marginally better. An important note is that, on mobile, I am not logged into my account. Also important is that I use Mozilla Firefox in both places, in case it's more of a browser issue than anything else.-- JustJamie820 (talk) 19:35, 1 February 2025 (UTC)

The text below the summary box on this page is fine, by the way. Everything in that box, except for wikilinks, is black on black. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 01:32, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Here's the problem: The backgrounds for WP:Cricket are all transparent. If it has any background color, the text will be visible. Even a black background works because it changes to white in dark mode. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 06:07, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

@JustJamie820: I just checked it on four platforms (Windows, Linux, Android browser & app), text in the portal page appears in white color in all of them. Vestrian24Bio 11:31, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

Conversely, when I checked three browsers through Windows, Firefox, Edge, and Chrome, the text is black. With the latter two, I'm checking without signing in. If it's white on your end, what am I doing wrong? -- JustJamie820 (talk) 20:18, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

@Vestrian24Bio, @Joseph2302: Rather than the back and forth of "My text is black" and "My text is white", I think I REALLY know what's happening. You're likely using the Dark Mode gadget, which I noticed DOES flip the text color from black to white and keeps the black background. I use the Dark Mode setting that the appearances section has (it's the icon that looks like a pair of spectacles/glasses), which keeps the text black on a black background. I hope this makes sense. All I know is that I don't want to argue about this anymore; I am not a fan of doing so. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 04:46, 3 February 2025 (UTC) (P.S. Joseph, I hope you don't mind me pinging you on this.)

@JustJamie820: I'm using the appearance menu (icon that looks like a pair of spectacles/glasses), and I think adding a screenshot might help us both to understand the matter. I'll add mine in a while. Vestrian24Bio 10:41, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

My Screenshots:

• File:Cricket Portal in Dark mode on en-wiki (1).jpeg
• File:Cricket Portal in Dark mode on en-wiki (2).jpeg
• File:Cricket Portal in Dark mode on en-wiki (3).jpeg

(sorry about the image's length and size) Vestrian24Bio 10:56, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

My intent wasn't to argue about this, was trying to work out what specifically was wrong to try and help fix- though looks from below like people may have fixed it? Joseph2302 (talk) 16:11, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

• See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#Widespread background:transparent breaking dark mode. Really this isn't a tiny one-WikiProject problem. Uncle G (talk) 10:38, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

  I have mostly fixed the dark mode problems with this project's pages. There were a lot of transparent background colors that needed to be removed or modified, per the guidance on the MediaWiki site. There are a few more tweaks that could be made to templates like {{Start tab}}, which affects many projects, but they are beyond my current skills. – Jonesey95 (talk) 15:16, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

  Thank you very much for that. Things now show up correctly, and I can read what is being said on the page now. I'm glad this ended on a happy note. With that, I will add myself to the members page in a short while (assuming I remember how to do so correctly!) and help fix/create random cricket articles, as I promised to do. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 17:50, 3 February 2025 (UTC)

There's set of pages with AfD-merge outcomes related to the Australian cricket team in England in 1948. Their content is vast, but the consensus is to merge most of daughter articles to that page. They're now among the oldest set of merges that haven't been carried out (see Category:Articles to be merged from June 2024), and so it's likely that a non-expert will take to them soon. It would be better for readers if someone with a specialist interest were to do the job. If you need a reminder on how to, rather than how's that, have a look at WP:MERGETEXT. So, to be clear, this currently involves:

• Sid Barnes with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948
• Don Bradman with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948
• Bill Brown with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948
• Lindsay Hassett with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948
• Ian Johnson with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948
• Bill Johnston with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948
• Ray Lindwall with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948
• Sam Loxton with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948
• Keith Miller with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948
• Arthur Morris with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948
• Don Tallon with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948
• Ernie Toshack with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948

For a change of pace, there's also: Ricky Ponting with the Australian cricket team in India in 2008–09 Klbrain (talk) 16:21, 5 February 2025 (UTC)

Appears AA has retired from editing. Can't say I blame him. 51.191.9.13 (talk) 22:19, 9 February 2025 (UTC)

That's a shame. Hopefully at some point in the not too distant future he will decide to unretire. JH (talk page) 09:27, 10 February 2025 (UTC)

I've been noticing a small spelling error in the summary on top of the talk page. It talks about articles that need an "imporatnce assessment", rather than "importance". I'd fix this myself but I'm not sure where you fix it at. Can someone edit that or tell me how to do so? - JustJamie820 (talk) 06:40, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

That typo has been fixed. JP (Talk) 12:16, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. - JustJamie820 (talk) 20:40, 11 February 2025 (UTC)

Is there any place that has sources for 1950s to 1970s Indian cricket readily available? I don't care if they're in English or not, although if it's not, I'll need to go to a translation site. I ask because I'm trying to make an article on cricketer C. G. Joshi, who had a 26-year Ranji Trophy career but never played in Tests, and I don't want to use CricketArchive exclusively to create sources for the article. (Wisden never covered Joshi's career.) Of course, I also wonder if another wiki has an article on him; that'll also help. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 08:16, 17 February 2025 (UTC)

Postscript: I made the page anyway. I'm still interested in those resources, however, if they exist anywhere. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 02:33, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

Some issues of The Indian Express and The Delhi Express are available on Google Newspapers. Hack (talk) 05:22, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

With all the other sites I go to or know about with old newspapers, I forgot about Google Newspapers being a thing. Thank you for the heads-up. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 19:10, 19 February 2025 (UTC)

I probably should have checked the second link a bit closer. The Delhi Express is not from India. Hack (talk) 01:00, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

It also might not have been the most reliable paper, since there's no link or redirect to it on Wikipedia. But I appreciate the effort in searching. I'll still look at the Indian Express ones when I have time, when I'm not seeking help on the other side of "the rivalry", namely wanting non-CI/CA sources for Pakistani players of the same vintage who need articles. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 01:43, 20 February 2025 (UTC)

Sorry for bothering you all again. Anyway, in an article I'm writing for South African cricketer Mike Doherty, and to a lesser extent my C. G. Joshi article, I've come across facts that would be valuable to include on their pages but can only source through CricketArchive's Player Oracle. In Doherty's case, he appeared in only four first-class wins in 85 matches; for Joshi, he lost all ten of his final matches that he appeared in during his career. For Doherty, I can only show this by using the Oracle to tell me which matches were victories of his team and then compare it to the complete total of matches on his CA player page. (Joshi might not need a comparison link, but I still need proof that he played in and lost seven Ranji and three Duleep finals.) Although I have seen the Oracle used for some pages on prominent cricketers (the featured article on Adam Gilchrist uses the Oracle 90 times, as an extreme example), I don't know whether it's a reasonable use of the CA website or if it's original research. I can't find a page that answers this question, so I'll ask the question here: Is the Oracle acceptable to use as a source? -- JustJamie820 (talk) 03:23, 21 February 2025 (UTC)

The Gilchrist article went to FA quite a long time ago didn't it? I'm not sure so much stats dredging would necessarily be accepted today - there are reports for almost all the things it uses I imagine. For me, what you've described above is OR. I'm not sure the Doherty fact is particularly worth including to be honest - certainly not if someone else hasn't written about it. Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:47, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Gilchrist is one of the first cricket FAs, I think. Back to the Oracle, I got that impression that I couldn't use it, even to verify years as captain, but I was getting mixed signals thanks to Gilchrist; that was the main reason I brought this point up here. I thank you, and Wjemather, for your comments on it. I didn't use the Oracle on either article I mentioned, and I'll plan to avoid it for future articles as well. Incidentally, the Doherty fact was to illustrate the lack of success his team had during his 21 years there, but that's irrelevant since no one wrote about it; likewise with the 0-10 record Joshi had in finals. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 20:39, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

Such facts are probably best described as WP:TRIVIA and statistical cruft. If such things have not been written about elsewhere, we shouldn't be writing about them here. _wjemather^{please leave a message...} 11:58, 23 February 2025 (UTC)

I have another question here, imagine that. Seriously, though, my search in cricketers without Wikpiedia articles has come across Raja Sarfraz, and with him, I can't just base everything on statistics due to an unusual peak and a mysterious departure from cricket for a year a few years after. My question is this: Where can I find 1980s Pakistani sources digitized online? If it's in Urdu or some other Pakistani language, that is fine, so long as it works with Google Translate. I'd search myself, but I don't know how to search for the cricketer's name in Urdu, as Google Translate doesn't seem to work with proper names. I was going to go to the Asian cricket taskforce for help on this or to randomly message the members with Pakistani flags next to their usernames, but I figured it'd be easier to ask here...assuming you haven't had enough of my questioning yet. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 00:23, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

It's me again, without a research question. If you pay attention to the front page, you'll notice my Article for Creation request on John West. Today (25 February), it got rejected for what's said to be the same reasons that the previous version got deleted, even though it doesn't have much of a resemblance to the version deleted in 2022. I bring it up here because I'm wondering what anyone interested in reading it thinks about it, and whether I should take it through another process to get it back on Wikipedia. I've poured over a lot of old newspapers to find mentions of him (one I found actually isn't the article because I don't know where to mention how he had a reputation for hitting the ball hard), so I hope I've done him some justice. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 05:42, 26 February 2025 (UTC) (P.S. Sorry if this brings up any uncomfortable memories...)

Second time was a charm; it passed this time. As you were... -- JustJamie820 (talk) 06:46, 2 March 2025 (UTC)

This article was hit by multiple vandals today. I've protected the article for now just to stop the abuse, but I don't know enough about cricket to identify a "good" version to revert to. I'd appreciate any help from people with more cricket knowledge than I have. Joyous! Noise! 17:37, 9 March 2025 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Cricket World Cup#Requested move 9 March 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vestrian24Bio 12:55, 12 March 2025 (UTC)

Should information about Amelia Kerr’s 2024 Women's T20 World Cup be in the lead for her article? I was going to remove it myself but decided it would be better to discuss with other editors before doing so Servite et contribuere (talk) 12:53, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

Also, why are WPL and WBBL stats separated rather than being T20 stats? Servite et contribuere (talk) 12:54, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

I'd keep the prose in the lead, but see no reason why the T20 stats are not merged, as they are done for every other player I've ever seen. Spike 'em (talk) 14:16, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

Hi! I have made some changes to the project banner in its sandbox version:

• I have changed the image to this, which is similar to logo I added here.
• I have also added a few new notes;
  1. Cricket articles with no associated task force - Now that there are new task forces, this category would be helpful to keep track of articles.
  2. Former FA-Class cricket articles - already exists; but added a visible note to it.
  3. Former FL-Class cricket articles - already exists; but added a visible note to it.
  4. Former GA-Class cricket articles - would be useful to keep track of former GA pages as well.
  5. Current cricket articles - would be useful to keep track of current competitions.
• Cricket Collaboration - planning to begin it from February 2025.

Others, please let me know what your thoughts about this are... Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:44, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

Also, why is the to do list on a talk page, instead of a project page...? Vestrian24Bio (TALK) 11:53, 21 December 2024 (UTC)

@AssociateAffiliate, Bearian, Jhall1, Joseph2302, Jpeeling, ReturnDuane, and Spike 'em: or anyone else: what are your thoughts about this... Vestrian24Bio 02:55, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I have no opinion. Bearian (talk) 02:56, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

I am proposing some changes to the Template:Infobox cricket tournament, I've already worked up a sandbox version.

• Reason: The |host= parameter is currently being used to refer to the country(s) the event was held, but the ICC considers the relevant governing body as hosts. This has led to many editing disputes (from 2021 Men's T20 World Cup to 2025 ICC Champions Trophy).

• Proposal: All the current usage of |host= parameter should be switched to a |country= parameter and the |host= parameter should be for host bodies (only for ICC events).

• Example for ICC events (2024 Men's T20 World Cup here):

More information Dates, Administrator ...

Current usage 2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup Dates 1 – 29 June 2024 Administrator International Cricket Council Cricket format Twenty20 International Tournament format(s) Group stage, Super 8s and Knockout stage Hosts West Indies United States Champions  India (2nd title) Runners-up  South Africa Participants 20 Matches 55 Official website icc-cricket.com ← 2022 2026 →

New proposal 2024 ICC Men's T20 World Cup Dates 1 – 29 June 2024 Administrator(s) International Cricket Council Cricket format Twenty20 International Tournament format(s) Group stage, Super 8s and Knockout stage Host(s) Cricket West Indies USA Cricket Champions  India (2nd title) Runners-up  South Africa Participants 20 Matches 55 Official website icc-cricket.com ← 2022 2026 →

Close

• Example 2 for ICC events (2025 ICC Champions Trophy here):

More information Dates, Administrator ...

Current usage 2025 ICC Champions Trophy Dates 19 February – 9 March 2025 Administrator International Cricket Council Cricket format One Day International Tournament format(s) Group stage and Knockout stage Hosts Pakistan United Arab Emirates Champions  India (3rd title) Runners-up  New Zealand Participants 8 Matches 15 Official website icc-cricket.com ← 2017 2029 →

New proposal 2025 ICC Champions Trophy Dates 19 February – 9 March 2025 Administrator(s) International Cricket Council Cricket format One Day International Tournament format(s) Group stage and Knockout stage Host(s) Pakistan Cricket Board Country(s) Pakistan United Arab Emirates Champions  India (3rd title) Runners-up  New Zealand Participants 8 Matches 15 Official website icc-cricket.com ← 2017 2029 →

Close

• Example for non-ICC events (2023 Asia Cup here):

More information Dates, Administrator ...

Current usage 2023 Asia Cup Dates 30 August – 17 September 2023 Administrator Asian Cricket Council Cricket format One Day International Tournament format(s) Group round-robin and playoffs Host Pakistan Champions  India (8th title) Runners-up  Sri Lanka Participants 6 Matches 13 ← 2018 2027 →

New proposal 2023 Asia Cup Dates 30 August – 17 September 2023 Administrator(s) Asian Cricket Council Cricket format One Day International Tournament format(s) Group round-robin and playoffs Host(s) Pakistan Cricket Board Country(s) Pakistan Sri Lanka Champions  India (8th title) Runners-up  Sri Lanka Participants 6 Matches 13 ← 2018 2027 →

Close

• Summary: If hosting body and location are the same, they should only have the |host= parameter with governing bodies instead of the countries, if they vary should have both parameters.

• Note: This should have no impact on domestic events (including franchise leagues), because they won't be using either parameters, just as how they're now.

Vestrian24Bio 12:06, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

I think you always want to show the country(s) where the tournament took place, in preferences to the organisation providing (some of) the stadiums. Spike 'em (talk) 13:20, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

"always want to show the country(s) where the tournament took place" - that's what currently being done, I just want to add a separate parameter for the actual organizers. Vestrian24Bio 13:29, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Example 1 shows the cricket boards instead of the countries. Every other major supporting event (football WC, Olympics/ athletics, rugby WC) shows the host city or country and then maybe the organising committee. I think cricket articles should continue to do the same, even if the ICC is a complete clusterfuck. Spike 'em (talk) 16:12, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Also, having a field labelled "country(s)" could be seen as listing competing countries, rather than where the tournament took place. Spike 'em (talk) 16:16, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

Perhaps, we could come with a better label for it, it's just a proposal - I am open for suggestions.

My point was that, every time organizing body and locations defer, we end up having edit wars and long talk page discussions. This could work as a solution to avoid repeating that every year. That's all. Vestrian24Bio 16:27, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

I have opened a discussion on Callum Vidler to discuss whether ESPNCricInfo is accurate on his bowling speed Servite et contribuere (talk) 05:26, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

I have opened up a discussion on whether Heather Knight was sacked or she resigned voluntarily as England Women's Captain. Someone made an edit that says she was sacked. This is clearly a case of Sources Differ. Thank you Servite et contribuere (talk) 13:30, 22 March 2025 (UTC)

Though a substantial article, this could do with a lot of work. In particular, there is not a single in-line citation, so it's hard to tell whether some of the claims made are supported by the sources given in the References section or are just the article writer's personal opinion. I've tagged a couple of the most glaring instances with cn. JH (talk page) 09:35, 28 March 2025 (UTC)

Hello all. I'm back after a much needed break! I have nominated Colin Ingleby-Mackenzie at GAN and wondered, given the lengthy backlog, if anyone would be kind enough to review the nomination here? Much appreciated and shiny stuff given to reviewers! AA (talk) 20:26, 30 March 2025 (UTC)

Welcome back! I do GA reviews but, I don't go anywhere near biographies; hope someone else will pick it up. Vestrian24Bio 04:24, 31 March 2025 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:75 Years of Friendship through Cricket Event#Requested move 7 March 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 07:31, 1 April 2025 (UTC)

Arshdeep was declared ICC Men's T20 cricketer of the year Link: https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/india-star-named-icc-men-s-t20i-cricketer-of-the-year-x4918 Arshdeep won the Player of the Series award in the T20 series against West Indies in August 2022 Link: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-west-indies-2022-1317885/india-vs-west-indies-5th-t20i-1317907/live-cricket-score Arshdeep won the Player of the Series award in the ODI series against South Africa in Dec 2023 Link: https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-south-africa-2023-24-1387592/south-africa-vs-india-3rd-odi-1387602/full-scorecard Arshdeep was one of the top buys at the IPL 2025 Auction; ₹18,00,00,000, and was the highest paid fast bowler in the Auction (this was directly connected to his performances at the T20 World Cup in 2024 which India won) Link1: https://www.iplt20.com/auction Link2: https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/story/cricket-ipl-auction-arshdeep-singh-punjab-kings-18-crore-record-pacer-2639274-2024-11-24 Zex777 (talk) 06:00, 11 April 2025 (UTC) Zex777 (talk) 02:44, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Why not add them then? Spike 'em (talk) 07:18, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Hello there, Thanks very much for your response. Am quite new to all of this and was hoping that some experienced and accomplished editor would make the necessary changes. Not sure if I have the ability to directly edit a semi-protected page anyway. Please let me know if I can help in any capacity. (Assuming that this question was addressed to me and not to other editors) Cheers Zex777 (talk) 20:30, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

Hi all. I have opened a peer review request here for Roy Marshall, ahead of an FAC submission. Any reviews much appreciated, especially of a grammatical nature :D Cheers, AA (talk) 22:10, 13 April 2025 (UTC)

I am concerned about the article Ricky Ponting with the Australian cricket team in India in 2008–09 which redirects to 2008-09 Border-Gavaskar Trophy. I thought this was supposed to be merged into the article Ricky Ponting. But someone changed it to a redirect without putting the content actually in either article. My concern is that discussions got confused. So could someone sort me out with the results of the discussions please? Thank you Servite et contribuere (talk) 04:31, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

It seems to have been removed by User:StAnselm from here Vestrian24Bio 07:04, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Domestic Career

Arshdeep was one of the top buys and the highest paid pace bowler at the Indian Premier League 2025 Auction; ₹18,00,00,000 {{cite web |title=IPL auction: Arshdeep Singh becomes most expensive Indian pacer after PBKS use RTM |date=2024-11-24 |site=[[India Today]] |url=https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/story/cricket-ipl-auction-arshdeep-singh-punjab-kings-18-crore-record-pacer-2639274-2024-11-24}}

https://www.indiatoday.in/sports/story/cricket-ipl-auction-arshdeep-singh-punjab-kings-18-crore-record-pacer-2639274-2024-11-24

International Career

Arshdeep was declared ICC Men's T20 Cricketer of the Year 2024 {{cite web |title=India star named ICC Men’s T20I Cricketer of the Year |date=2025-01-25 |site=[[International Cricket Council]] |url=https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/india-star-named-icc-men-s-t20i-cricketer-of-the-year-x4918}}

https://www.icc-cricket.com/news/india-star-named-icc-men-s-t20i-cricketer-of-the-year-x4918

Arshdeep won the Player of the Series award in the T20 series against West Indies in August 2022 {{cite web |title=India vs West Indies 5th T20I |date=2022-08-07 |site=[[ESPNcricinfo]] |url=https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-west-indies-2022-1317885/india-vs-west-indies-5th-t20i-1317907/live-cricket-score}}

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-west-indies-2022-1317885/india-vs-west-indies-5th-t20i-1317907/live-cricket-score

Arshdeep won the Player of the Series award in the ODI series against South Africa in December 2023 {{cite web |title=South Africa vs India 3rd ODI |date=2023-12-14 |site=[[ESPNcricinfo]] |url=https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-south-africa-2023-24-1387592/south-africa-vs-india-3rd-odi-1387602/full-scorecard}}

https://www.espncricinfo.com/series/india-in-south-africa-2023-24-1387592/south-africa-vs-india-3rd-odi-1387602/full-scorecard Zex777 (talk) 06:36, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Talk:Arshdeep Singh (cricketer) would be a better place for this discussion. Vestrian24Bio 06:59, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

I see you posted there too... Vestrian24Bio 07:01, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Yes I did, thanks, will remember that for any future edits, still getting used to the system, cheers Zex777 (talk) 07:24, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

You will be able to edit the page Arshdeep Singh (cricketer) by yourself from tomorrow. Vestrian24Bio 07:26, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

Ok thanks Zex777 (talk) 07:47, 14 April 2025 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Singhalese Sports Club#Requested move 11 February 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 16:34, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

This needs a big update! I've added and removed some, but if anyone else has a spare moment to update this page, would be much appreicated :) AA (talk) 10:11, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

We could use the list at Wikipedia:WikiProject Cricket/Recognized content as reference; it's updated weekly by a bot. I'll be busy this week, but, I could work on the page after that. Vestrian24Bio 10:18, 20 April 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing this, I had no idea it existed! AA (talk) 18:20, 22 April 2025 (UTC)

Summer (possibly) is upon us in the UK and Ireland! There are still dozens of major cricket venues that do not have photos. If anyone can knock these off, that would be greatly appreciated!

• Grounds in England
• Grounds in Ireland
• Grounds in Scotland
• Grounds in Wales

AA (talk) 15:54, 3 May 2025 (UTC)

Murali Kartik has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 01:04, 17 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello all. Would anyone be willing to kindly review the FAC nom for Roy Marshall? Process has ground to a halt! Many thanks. AA (talk) 20:31, 19 May 2025 (UTC)

Hello all. I was wondering if anyone could help with the below?

• A reference for the First Division of the National Men's League being the highest level of club cricket in Barbados?
• The date and location of Roy Marshall's funeral. I assume it took place in or near Taunton in November 1992?

Cheers! AA (talk) 22:37, 21 May 2025 (UTC)

I stumbled on a reference to declaration in the article Mercy rule. I have left a proposal for removal on the talk page but I reckon the experts here would have a greater insight if anyone wishes to contribute. Thanks. Leaky caldron (talk) 17:29, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Virat #Requested move 6 June 2025 that might be to the interest of members of this WikiProject. Servite et contribuere (talk) 10:07, 6 June 2025 (UTC)

Why are there so many media-related nicknames in cricketers' infoboxes, and why is King Prince Boom Boom Afridi included? Famous footballers do not have nicknames in their page infoboxes. I am not against the stokesy things in Ben Stokes' article, but it should not have been either. (IMO) ইমরান ভূইয়া (talk) 08:03, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

@OCDD has overhauled the ICC Test Championship related pages, and has added Test Championship appearances and Mace wins to international team infoboxes. Is this valid? There were never any separate Test Championships, it was a continuous ratings system and the team at the top happened to be given the mace to wave around. I would drop any mention of it in the infoboxes, so anyone have any other views? Spike 'em (talk) 10:23, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Source

From 2003 to 2019 the Test cycle was called the Test Championship which was rebranded into World Test Championship in 2019. The format existed and so did the teams and the Test tours. Not having any mentions of that is a disservice to the functioning of the format. As if no championship existed before 2019. The trophy also remains the same: the test mace. OCDD (talk) 10:35, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

But there were no winners, nor any appearances. It was a continuous system, and the top ranked team got presented the mace and given a some cash if they remained there long enough. England (nor any other team) did not appear in it 17 times, and no team "won" the championship. These parameters are completely meaningless, and there are already parameters that give a team's top ranking. They should be removed. Spike 'em (talk) 10:40, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

They did however award the ICC Test Championship Mace every year, which is the thing that OCDD has been adding to infoboxes. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:45, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Yes, that has always been the ICC trophy for Test formats and it was missing from the infoboxes. Teams have won the Mace prior to the WTC as well. The title has been changed and rebranded into a 2 year cycle championship but the test tours and the trophy remains the same. Even WTC has a points table. The only difference is the number one team plays against the number two in the final to determine the winner. OCDD (talk) 10:50, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

No it wasn't, you are utterly misrepresenting what the mace was. Teams were not "World Test Champions" they were the top ranked team in Tests. Spike 'em (talk) 10:51, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Where have I said the teams were "World Test Champions"??? They were the winners of the Test Championship and won the mace in their respective years because that was the system and the championship ICC used to follow then. OCDD (talk) 10:54, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

They did not win the mace for a year, it changed hands whenver a team took over at the top of the ratings. If a team happened to be top in MayApril they also got goven some cash. They did not entere each year and decide on a winner. The ratings covered between 2 and 3 years worth of matches, so it was not an annual competition by any means. Spike 'em (talk) 10:58, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

They gave the mace to the team that was leading the ratings whenever the lead changed. The team at the top each MayApril also got given some cash. It was never a separate competion, teams did not appear in it 17 times, nor did teams ever win it. Spike 'em (talk) 10:50, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

The team at the top was at the top because they won most the their matches through the time period. 17 years is the number of years the Test Championship happened before WTC was created. OCDD (talk) 10:56, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

It did not happen 17 times. The ratings ran for 17 years (and are still running) before the ICC introduced an actual competition. Spike 'em (talk) 11:02, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Did England not have Test tours from 2003 to 2019? Did they not play matches and did they not get points in the ranking table for that? They even won the Mace in 2012. It is their rightful ICC Test trophy. Just because it happened in Test Championship and not the newly rebranded WTC does not mean it did not happen. OCDD (talk) 10:52, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Yes, they had plenty of tours, they were top ranked in Tests for a while and held the mace, but they certainly did not enter 17 separate Test Championships, let alone win any. Spike 'em (talk) 10:55, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

If you don't want to understand the point, that's on you. You were even denying that Test Championship existed. And yet the sources say otherwise. Keep at it. I've made my point. OCDD (talk) 10:57, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

I agree that the ICC called their Test ratings the Test Championship. It was never an annual competition, it was an ongoing rating system. Teams never "won" it, they were the top ranked team. The ratings cover between 2 and 3 years of Tests, disproving your contention that it was an annual competition.

I wrote huge amounts of the Test Championship page, so don't give me any shit for not understanding it when you are the one unable to comprehend what it means. Spike 'em (talk) 11:01, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Mind your language and stay in your lane. This is not your backyard where you can curse. And yes it was annual because it was given on an annual basis based on the performances of the teams on their Test tours on a yearly basis. OCDD (talk) 11:05, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

I can use whatever language I like, so don't insult me with nonsense like this If you don't want to understand the point, that's on you and then lecture me about behaviour. Could you please provide a source that says England entered 17 Test Chamionships? Spike 'em (talk) 11:08, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Why have you listed Pakistan with no Test Mace wins when they held it for 2 months in 2016? This is more proof that the mace was not the prize for an annual competition. Spike 'em (talk) 11:18, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

They held it from August - October 2016, not over the April-May prize period, so your edit to the mace page is wrong. The table on there is nonsense, as the mace changed hands when the lead changed, not at the time of the ratings rebase in April / May April prize point. Spike 'em (talk) 11:28, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

And some info about the mace from an ICC Press release in 2017

About the ICC Test championship mace:

The ICC Test Championship mace is awarded to teams that reach the number-one spot in the MRF Tyres ICC Test Team Rankings.

The team that is number-one ranked at the 1 April cut-off date gets a cash award of $1 million. The team placed second gets $500,000, the third $200,000 and the fourth $100,000.

India’s longest tenure at the top was from November 2009-August 2011 under Mahendra Singh Dhoni.

Current Test rankings system was introduced in 2003

No where does it say it is an annual competition, it makes it clear that the mace gets passed between teams whenever they reach the top. They happen to get a prize if they are top in April. Spike 'em (talk) 11:36, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Looks like this is dubious enough to warrant removal. I happened to notice first thing when a bunch of invalid parameters appeared, so initially reverted some. Whilst we're at it, we could use removing the cup icons from infoboxes under accessibility grounds Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:50, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Yep, cup icons have no place in an infobox either. Spike 'em (talk) 11:55, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

As per the above, the mace was not an annual award (my mistake in thinking it was), so all of this mace "information" is made up and incorrect. Joseph2302 (talk) 12:28, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

(-: The ICC would always do a annual press release at the prize point (which I think usually coincided with the annual rebasing of the ratings), so it does lead to a bit of confusion, but it wasn't an April-only award. I can find lots of UGC-type sites that list the April prize winners, but can't see any RS that call them Champions or Winners. Spike 'em (talk) 14:16, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Just expanded Wootton. He was one of the leading slow left-arm bowlers in England during the 1880s for Kent. I wonder, given his importance for Kent, if anyone has any further written sources on him. There has to be more! Cheers in advance!

I doubt there will be much more that is easy to find. An obituary no doubt, but that would require a visit to Canterbury or the MCC library for (which is apparently possible). If I find anything I'll try and remember to add it Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:52, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

Cheers :) I often find that professionals of the era have less on them than their amateur compatriots. The Times didn't even do an obituary for him! AA (talk) 14:44, 11 June 2025 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Mohammad Rizwan (cricketer) #Requested move 12 June 2025 that might be to the interest of members of this WikiProject. Servite et contribuere (talk) 01:07, 13 June 2025 (UTC)

There have been discussions in the past about medal templates in the cricketer infobox ([here] or [here] for example). Those I file under "whatever" now, because we're not going to be removing them. There have also been a number of conflicts over the hosts for competitions – the Pakistan/UAE "host" for the recent Champions Trophy, for example caused a range of issues in a number of places, including in infobox medal templates.

Now the WTC and its host status seems to have raised its head, with medal templates suggesting that the "host" is England – on the grounds that the final has been played at Lord's. I'm less convinced of the rationale for this, but it would be useful to try to get some form of consensus I imagine. Does anyone who is not involved in the editing of these have any view that might help resolve this? Thanks Blue Square Thing (talk) 09:00, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

Then remove from infobox of every women's cricket team and indian national cricket team, selective removal causes these issues I saw indian national cricket team with trophies in infobox so I added to others@Blue Square Thing ‍—⚰️NΛSΛ B1058 (TALK) 14:25, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

I don't think this is a response to the point I made above, but about the use of icons in infoboxes – which is discussed a little above. Feel free to move this discussion to a more appropriate spot if you wish to.

I've just pointed out on your talk page that I think they absolutely fall foul of WP:ICON in a number of ways – from an accessibility point of view at least. Given that you did the first revert on my edits I think two minutes or so after I made it, perhaps you might give me a chance to work through all the other teams? That would probably have helped to be honest. I note that you've now reverted your reverts, but I'm not sure whether that's because you agree with my interpretation of ICON or not? Whatever, I'm not doing anything else until we discuss this properly somewhere or other! Blue Square Thing (talk) 14:33, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

The reverts are after agreeing with your opinion. ‍—⚰️NΛSΛ B1058 (TALK) 15:05, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

I removed from all the men's teams during the week, but can't monitor them 24 hours per day. Spike 'em (talk) 17:09, 14 June 2025 (UTC)

In order to stop this edit warring and settle a disputed consensus. I am really concerned about edit summaries like this: There’s a reason ICC was removed from the tournament names. That was where consensus was achieved. Stop making up imaginary consensus to suit your edits. in an edit to Kane Williamson and this: Medal tables have position medals. Start a discussion if you’re have a problem. Your mass changes are disruptive. in an edit to Ravi Bishnoi. Both were by User:OCDD. Clearly there is a dispute of consensus and we need an Independent Neutral expert to sort both of these disputes. I will abide by the Independent Neutral ruler regardless of whether they rule in Favour of me or OCDD and I ultimately only care about this consensus being upheld regardless of who is correct or incorrect. Only thing I have to argue is that on medal record in favour of words is that these world cups are Independently run by the Cricket without being part of a broader games, Olympic Games, Commonwealth Games ETC. Medals are not handed out like One, Two and Three. Actually, I do have another argument after all and that is that the meaning of consensus can be discussed or undiscussed. Although this has not been discussed (Please correct me if I am wrong), editors have generally overwhelmingly agreed on using stuff like Winner, Runner Up over medals and User:OCDD decided to change it without discussion. If a discussion has been cited, please tell me. And most importantly, far more importantly than winning my case or whether me or OCDD are sided with: MAY THE TRUTH WIN EVEN IF IT MEANS I LOSE MY CASE!!! Servite et contribuere (talk) 06:09, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Also, I have made a decision just now to forbid myself or User:OCDD from making a final ruling. Thank you Servite et contribuere (talk) 06:13, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

I'm a bit confused. In Olympic Games and Commonwealth Games medals ARE handed out for first, second and third places. HiLo48 (talk) 07:32, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

No confusion necessary - Ravi Bishnoi is odd because he did win a medal and was also a runner-up in a competition without medals. I've edited the article to match what it should be without looking at any of the history, and this basically matches what it was before OCDD's initial edit. SportingFlyer T·C 08:06, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

HiLo48 What I meant was unlike the Olympic and Commonwealth Games just for clarification. Servite et contribuere (talk) 08:22, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Every ICC event has medals [have you never seen the post final ceremony?] and are given on the basis of positions not like Olympics which have gold, silver, bronze. OCDD (talk) 08:09, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Have you never seen the post final ceremony? I'm very sorry OCDD, but unless you can provide a source of evidence of post match ceremony handing out Gold, Silver and Bronze it is WP:OR. Servite et contribuere (talk) 08:27, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

I never said they hand out gold, silver and bronze. Do you lack comprehension skills? READ again. I said they hand out position medials and not gold, silver, bronze. OCDD (talk) 08:39, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

As for ICC not being in the page names, there was a move discussion and after a consensus ICC was removed from Cricket World Cup and T20 World Cup page names. Please go checkthe logs before making random accusations, Servite et contribuere. OCDD (talk) 08:11, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

OCDD I have know seen it. Another important thing to keep in mind is that the move was only for article titles. I wasn't making random accusations. I am discussing how to improve Wikipedia. We just have to ask the experts whether the article title applies in medal record. Thank you Servite et contribuere (talk) 08:25, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Why should it? OCDD (talk) 08:39, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

OCDD I think we might have a misunderstanding. What I meant was does the RM mean we have to go by the new article title after the RM or not? It's still best to ask what experts say as they are the ones who can resolve these disputes and misunderstandings. That's all Servite et contribuere (talk) 09:32, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

ICC was only removed from the titles, yes. The word "ICC" should be used in the lead and infobox still. Other places, we could just go with the article's title. Vestrian24Bio 10:26, 17 June 2025 (UTC)

Also, how you can help:

I'm sure most of you remember the WP:LUGSTUBS2 discussions. Some editors are trying to move forward with mass removal. One of them has produced lists of cricketers split by nationality on the village pump. Please take a look at these and try to add at least one non-database-type source to each of the listed articles. WhatamIdoing (talk) 02:36, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

Of the articles with the template Special draft pending, five are categorised as international cricketers so should be easy to source - Chandi Wickramasinghe Ankur Vasishta, Collette McGuiness, Champa Sugathadasa and Bilal Shah. Hack (talk) 03:09, 12 May 2025 (UTC)

I've worked through the list of 50 British cricketers. Several have already had sourcing added, and there are some that strike me as definite possibilities if anyone has the time or inclination (mainly Essex, Gloucestershire, and Surrey):

• David Gray (cricketer) – redirect to List of Cambridge University Cricket Club players#G for now. There's brief text at CricInfo and an obituary in 2004 Wisden, albeit brief. I imagine a suitably detailed search would probably find more on him (war service, Winchester, Cambridge). I imagine this could be extended
• Arthur Johnston (cricketer) – a candidate for expansion. Played rugby at a high level and there's a prose paragraph in CricInfo already. I suspect sources could be found. Initially I might redirect to List of Essex County Cricket Club players#J as he played the majority of his cricket for Essex
• Alison White (cricketer) – redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players#W initially. Notes say he won the DSO in 1916 and went to Cheltenham and Cambridge. Seems to have later been known as Gordon-White. Born at Sydney NSW. Seems likely that there's more detail here
• Charles Edwards (English cricketer) – certainly has the potential for development. Brief Wisden obit, but he was a colonel in the RASC, MC in 1917 and DSO in 1919. Went to Cheltenham. Born in South Africa. We could initially redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players#E, but this is certainly ripe for expansion
• Arthur Newnham – also played in India and for the Gentlemen. There's quite a detailed obit at Wisden. Army, lt-col, serving mainly abroad. Captained Malvern, so chances are more sources exist. We could redirect to List of Gloucestershire County Cricket Club players#N initially, but I'm fairly certain more sources exist
• Charles Morgan (Surrey cricketer) – quite a detailed Wisden obit and the chances are there will be others. We could redirect in the short term, but I imagine there is enough to develop the article. The redirect would be to List of Surrey County Cricket Club players#M
• Alfred Bashford – the prose at CricInfo suggests that more will be found here – church, Merchant Taylors, hockey, Cambridge etc... CricketArchive adds some detail and there's a brief Wisden obit. We could redirect to List of Middlesex County Cricket Club players#B in the short term, but there are almost certainly sources here
• Barrie Bennett – redirect to List of Cambridge University Cricket Club players#B. Seems to have been in the army so there may be more here
• Cecil Booth (cricketer) – redirect to List of Cambridge University Cricket Club players#B. Played for Surrey Second XI and presumably there will be war service, but nothing obviously stands out
• Charles Brereton (cricketer) – redirect to List of Cambridge University Cricket Club players#B. Was at Marlborough and the name is one of those that crops up in Norfolk sources, so there may well be something there
• Charles Calvert (Cambridge University cricketer) – redirect to List of Cambridge University Cricket Club players#C. Captained Shrewsbury, so there would well be some more to be found
• Alexander Cox (cricketer) – redirect to List of Cambridge University Cricket Club players#C probably. His brief Wisden obit says he was a "well known racehorse owner" so, given when he was alive, there may well be enough sources. Was at Harrow

This is copied from Wikipedia talk:Lugstubs 2 list. I've already gone through a lot of New Zealanders, and I think every Australian is a least a redirect Blue Square Thing (talk) 09:36, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

• For all the ones that have plausible redirects to team list articles, it makes so much more sense to redirect them rather than draftify them, as an WP:ATD. Joseph2302 (talk) 10:11, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

• Yes. This was mentioned several times in the original discussion I think. The alternative seems to be that it's moved to draft, I move it back - duplicating the article as the draft is not deleted -, and then redirect the article. Which seems a tonne of work. Redirect is what would almost certainly happen at an AfD I think Blue Square Thing (talk) 15:01, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

Not sure how helpful it is to have the lists at the Village Pump. Should there be a WP:Cric subpage for this? Also isn't very useful to have them in very long lists of 170 players. Did someone already clear letters E onwards? Anyway, here is the Australian list broken down into players by state, which could be useful if we are to just redirect them to the state by state lists of cricketers. The-Pope (talk) 17:12, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for breaking the Australians down – that's really helpful. The British list is at Wikipedia talk:Lugstubs 2 list#British list. I'm currently working through the New Zealanders at User:Blue Square Thing/sandbox3#NZ – have 5 Wellingtonians, 16 Canterburians and an odd one to check for sources for. If anyone wants to take a look the list is there and I'll move it across to Wikipedia talk:Lugstubs 2 list when I'm done in a few weeks. Zimbabwe is a short list...

I think a limit of 1200 was set and the query used worked by first name, so that's why it only gets part way through D. I imagine the plan was to polish those off quickly and then do a lot more in the second tranche. This followed on from WP:LUGSTUBS which considered nearly 1000 Olympians. I've no idea how many of those were brought back into mainspace Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:03, 13 May 2025 (UTC)

Not sure about redirecting ones that have potential, like the colonel above. Then they become invisible and never get expanded :( AA (talk) 12:17, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

If we just started by redirecting the ones that BST has identified as being (apparently) hopeless, that would help a lot. WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:22, 22 May 2025 (UTC)

If you can throw a couple of references on to his article it'll help remove the tag rather than redirect. He's one I might get to once the majority of the redirection is done. The list, of course, will be there so can be revisited at any point Blue Square Thing (talk) 13:42, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

As a heads up, we've now got a date of 23 June 2025 for draftification to begin - assuming anyone can figure out an automatic way of doing so. There's a set of instructions at Wikipedia talk:Lugstubs 2 list#2025 procedure for how manage any redirects and ones where the template needs to be removed. There are lists by country with generally my recommendation at the same place. I should think I'll get to everything other than the Indians and Sri Lankans by that deadline (here are just too many from India and Sri Lanka for me to deal with easily). Blue Square Thing (talk) 13:42, 25 May 2025 (UTC)

I see that Blue Square Thing has started redirecting the Australian players to the state by state lists. Can I ask, to avoid them "becoming invisible", can the state category (ie Category:Victoria cricketers be left on the redirect page? I know it works, and I think it's allowed by the WP:LISTRCAT guideline. The-Pope (talk) 11:53, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I'd like to add them back in, but I'm really concerned that I'm not going to have enough time to get to all of the articles that need to be redirected. My priority at this stage is to do the redirect quickly and then to try to find the opportunity to come back to them once I get the chance. I really appreciate that this is leaving work for other people to clean up, but the alternative is that we lose all these articles to a draft space limbo. I've probably got one or two days before the deadline that I can give even part of to this Blue Square Thing (talk) 12:30, 2 June 2025 (UTC)

A status report. NZ, Australian, South Africans (with cats - sorry, it was just as easy), Zimbabweans, and the odds and sods all done. British ones that need to be kept have had tags removed, but I'm leaving the others until last. I imagine that it'd be possible for two or three of those to be worked up to DYK level if someone could send a couple of hours on them. I might try and do that for one, but it would be an interesting experiment.

I've PRODed seven I think – ones that I don't think we'd be looking to keep these days and can't easily find suitable sources for. Keep an eye on the PROD list and feel free to remove if you think they're worthwhile, but I'm not sure it's worth sending these to draft really

This leaves: Pakistan, Bangladesh, Barbados, Guyana, Jamaica, Trinidad. I have redirect targets set up where needed – all the West Indians and a few of the others. Then it's India, which someone has done a few of, and Sri Lanka. I really don't think I'll get to those lists in any sensible way. Blue Square Thing (talk) 10:45, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

I think it's good to leave cats on the redirects. WhatamIdoing (talk) 17:51, 3 June 2025 (UTC)

Update: All but the British, Indians, and Sri Lankans are done. I know what's probably happening to the British articles, so my calculation is that of the 805 articles that have been dealt with (excluding Indians and Sri Lankans), 695 have been redirected to a list of some kind or improved and removed from the list to draft, I've PRODed 7, which leaves 104 to send to draft. It's about 13.8% being drafted or PRODed. I've not calculated how many have been removed from the list. Sri Lankan lists are scarce, so that will probably increase the percentage. I'm not sure about the Indian lists Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:37, 4 June 2025 (UTC)

• Update: just the British to do now – got through all the Indians and Sri Lankans pretty much. 65% of Indians redirected; 22% of Sri Lankans Blue Square Thing (talk) 07:52, 7 June 2025 (UTC)

• Update: I'm now done working through these lists and I assume the others will be sent to draft at some point in the near future. There are 287 articles still tagged with template:special draft pending. Checking which articles link to that template is the easiest way by far of identifying them. The majority are south Asian and South African Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:13, 18 June 2025 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Cricket World Cup#Requested move 19 June 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vestrian24Bio 10:33, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:ICC World Test Championship#Requested move 18 June 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vestrian24Bio 10:38, 19 June 2025 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Indian cricket team in Australia in 2024–25 #Requested move 21 June 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Servite et contribuere (talk) 22:56, 21 June 2025 (UTC)

Rob Key has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 01:08, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Cricket World Cup#Requested move 19 June 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 12:00, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:The Hundred (cricket)#Requested move 19 June 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 12:04, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

There is a proposed merge discussion at Talk:2024 Men's T20 World Cup#Merge proposal that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Vestrian24Bio 16:25, 29 June 2025 (UTC)

There seems to be a really odd inclination in this project to unnecessarily divide articles. Look at 2026 Men's T20 World Cup – Africa Sub-regional Qualifier A, 2026 Men's T20 World Cup – Africa Sub-regional Qualifier B, 2026 Men's T20 World Cup – Africa Sub-regional Qualifier C, and 2025 Men's T20 World Cup Africa Regional Final, which should, as it was for previous tournaments, should just be one article titled 2024–25 ICC Men's T20 World Cup Africa Qualifier. Can someone please explain why the divide was thought a good idea? ~~ AirshipJungleman29 (talk) 09:33, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

I've come along to strongly disagree with these edits made by User:OCDD on Virat Kohli in the medal table. The long-standing consensus over the years has been to use words instead of numbered medals. I also strongly disagree with saying simply "The National Team". (Doesn't matter whether it seems obvious of which one it is, there are many out there). The article title changes also did not apply here and adding the hosts to the ICC World Test Championship is obviously WP:OR and/or WP:SYNTH. There has also been a long consensus not to include the Test mace and it is also WP:OR and/or WP:SYNTH to add a location based on where the final series was played. I feel like these edits (To the medal record and opening of National Team)) should be reverted and a consensus should be reached on this. Even after I gave an edit warring warning, they continued to edit war anyways and did not appear willing to collaborate during the talk of the warning. Then when restoring hosts to the ICC World Test Championships, the said they meant posters when they had no evidence to prove what they looked like which is also WP:OR. I think we should discuss this thing short term and them maybe start a long term discussion. Thank you Servite et contribuere (talk) 23:03, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

yeah, the test mace is made up nonsense, and is not listed in reliable sources. Spike 'em (talk) 23:31, 24 June 2025 (UTC)

Spike 'em I've also got to admit I strongly disagree with the changes to the medal record. I am pretty sure the longstanding consensus is to use words instead of numbered medals. Does anyone have any confirmation on this? If this is consensus, it should also be changed back. Thank you Servite et contribuere (talk) 02:52, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

I certainly prefere Winner/Runner-up to 1/2 but not sure if/when consensus was reached on this, but I'll have a look. Spike 'em (talk) 10:31, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Spike 'em I have three things to say: The first one: Why do I tag your username? To specify who the message is intended to be sent to. Number two, I am pretty we still have to mention which National Team no matter how obvious which national team one thinks it is. And number three, my thought has been that the consensus has been reached via WP:EDITCONSENSUS. Thank you Servite et contribuere (talk) 11:55, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

If you feel that strongly then make the changes yourself. Spike 'em (talk) 13:22, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Spike 'em The main problem is that it keeps getting reverted. National teams have been specified about basically every athlete that plays International sports. Basically until OCDD came along, no lead said just "The national team" it actually said "The (Whatever country that was, like Australia, India, England, South Africa, New Zealand) national team". Gaining consensus should be needed to make such a change considering it is not a Minor change. Servite et contribuere (talk) 13:50, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

The only discussions I can find in WT:CRIC go against medal templates, but that seems to make no difference to people adding them.

• Archive 93: Medal templates
• Archive 93: Medal Record
• Archive 94: Proposal 3: Medal tables should be removed from infoboxes
• Archive 94: Medals in infoboxes, again

Though in a surprising turn, given my dislike of the medal box, it seems I have done some testing on improving it:IB cricketer: Medal.

It was first added to the IB back in 2019. Spike 'em (talk) 11:23, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

This is an attempt to make a WP:LOCALCONSENSUS against the MOS and against the consensuses of this WikiProject. Read the discussions linked, there is no consensus for these changes. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:51, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

Joseph2302 Sorry, but who is making an attempt to make a local consensus? Could you specify please? Thank you Servite et contribuere (talk) 14:26, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

OCDD is trying to do what they want without discussion, apologies I misread one of your earlier comments and thought (incorrectly) that you were supporting the random set of undisclosed changes. Joseph2302 (talk) 15:42, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

On medal templates, perhaps we need to formally add them to the infobox int he same way they are for sports such cycling where the box is automatically collapsed (as on Chris Froome, for example)? It might help if we had a list of what to include and how to include it - that seems to have been an issue here Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:35, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Blue Square Thing I think it is better to use Winner/Runner up as of now until further discussion. Association Football articles do it that way and I think it is better (Except for Multi Sport Games such as Olympics) considering these are team sports and not individual sports. Servite et contribuere (talk) 09:20, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

So, Damien Fleming would be correct then? Solid blocks when they're not Olympics or Commonwealth Games and so on? That sounds reasonable to me Blue Square Thing (talk) 10:03, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Blue Square Thing Good example and yes. Servite et contribuere (talk) 10:13, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Blue Square Thing For example: A player isn't going to celebrate his/her/their team winning a Cricket tournament that was not a Multi Games event by saying: "WE WON GOLD!", they would more likely say something like: "WE WON THE WORLD CUP". Whereas in a competition like the Commonwealth Games, the Olympics or Asian Games, they are more likely to say they won gold. I totally get OCDD'S argument, but I am pretty sure most Sports tournaments have medals. But it is not in common for someone to call the Winner of an ICC (Men's, Women's, Any Format) Tournament as Gold or Silver Medal Winners. In the Olympics (Summer or Winter), Commonwealth Games, basically everyone says that Gold, Silver (or whatever medal) was Won. I think IIHF is an exemption to this. Servite et contribuere (talk) 10:32, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

OK, so I think people are largely on the same page here. @Spike 'em: are you able to edit the template to bring it in line with the style used on Template:Infobox football biography which seems to auto collapse the medal template section? This seems like a reasonable compromise given that every discussion we've ever had seems to have rejected their use, but we're clearly not going to stop that happening. Then we can work through the, at the last count, 598 pages that use medal templates directly – there are some that use a module to include them which we might not manage to get all of (556 pages use a module of some kind). That's doable Blue Square Thing (talk) 13:24, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

I'll have a look, but away for a couple of days. Spike 'em (talk) 14:26, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

There is a param {{{show-medals}}} to control the medal box expansion. I've brought the cricketer IB in line with the cyclclist / footballer ones, so the default is to not expand. Spike 'em (talk) 10:12, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks. I think that's a decent compromise in the circumstances and seems to work fine Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:30, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

What's the ordering with these medals then? I've reordered Kohli's to be: WTC > WC > Champ Trophy > T20 WC > Asia Cup > Under19 thing. And within each one, to be chronological? Is that the way other sports do things or not? Blue Square Thing (talk) 13:53, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

Blue Square Thing I also think before OCDD made all these mass changes to the Medal Section that ICC and ACC were included. A question answered on a prior discussion over this was answered by Vestrian24Bio over tournament names regarding article title changes and replied:

ICC was only removed from the titles, yes. The word "ICC" should be used in the lead and infobox still. Other places, we could just go with the article's title. I would assume that is also the same for ACC Asia Cup which I am pretty sure was listed in medals before these undiscussed mass changes. Servite et contribuere (talk) 14:07, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

@Servite et contribuere I'm sorry, I should've been clearer... I meant lead & infobox in the main event articles such as Cricket World Cup, 2023 Cricket World Cup etc. While as for these (player articles, etc.) while I'm not entirely sure I would prefer to go with the Article's title instead. Vestrian24Bio 16:27, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

@Blue Square Thing Champ Trophy could come after the T20WC - priority to world championships & world cups - my opinion. Vestrian24Bio 16:29, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Yes, I couldn't decide which way to do it and figured that Test-List A-T20 would be an easier way to go, especially given the fairly recent promotion of the T20 WC to that naming style. It doesn't really matter I suppose, but it might be handy to have something we can generally agree on rather than putting all the gold ones first Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:30, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

I'd also like to bring to peoples attention the abberation that is the list of career acheivements at the top of the Interational career section. Full of unexplained / meaningless colours and cup icons for finishes that do not earn such baubles. Spike 'em (talk) 11:36, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

They are major MOS:ACCESS failures, including Avoid using color as the sole means of conveying information. Spike 'em (talk) 11:47, 26 June 2025 (UTC)

I have removed them all (they were in international as well as IPL sections)- as well as violating MOS:COLOUR, they violate other MOS elements e.g. use prose to summarise not tables, and were completely unsourced (because they didn't have appropriate text verification) or WP:OR. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:18, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for doing that. I tried to in May and got reverted. The tables at the bottom also need some work - removing the centring and weeding out some of the less notable "achievements". Certainly prose would be better in many cases and I'm not entirely convinced that we need a table which includes where Madame Tussauds has his wax statue Blue Square Thing (talk) 15:38, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

Yeah, lists of POTM awards were definitely deprecated a few years back. Spike 'em (talk) 16:10, 27 June 2025 (UTC)

I've worked through the tables and tried to cut some of the over detail. I probably cut too much, but it is an awfully long article. I removed the tables if year by year runs etc... because I couldn't find a source that easily summarised these. There probably is one. And I worked through the personal, investments and so on section to remove some trivia, repetition, and the press releases that seem to mainly be adverts for brands. Again, I've probably cut too much. OCDD's been blocked form the article for three months. Perhaps someone with more time might like to run through the article and see if it needs reworking in places Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:28, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

I've just removed a bunch of similar stuff from Abhishek Sharma btw. It's clearly spread Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:11, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

Again, it was OCDD adding this, plus an IP editor (that may well be them too- as the edits are very similar). If they don't listen or engage with us here, this may be an WP:ANI conduct issue. Currently OCDD is blocked from Kohli's article but if they keep spreading this nonsense then we should ask for a wider block. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:22, 1 July 2025 (UTC)

And Smriti Mandhana. Same patterns with prominent IP editors as well Blue Square Thing (talk) 12:13, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

And Jitesh Sharma and Rajat Patidar. All RCB for what it's worth Blue Square Thing (talk) 12:55, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

I think batting strike rate is an imporant statistic for a cricketer (especially a batter) and must be shown to give an appropriate representation of their career. Especially for batetrs in t20 format strikerate if one of the mos important statistics that represents their performance. Can this information be added through the info box or a career statistics table or something else? Arjunremember (talk) 20:50, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

I replied on the infobox talk page, which is where I saw this first. One solution is that you could work on the strike rate article which has absolutely no prose sources whatsoever. It needs some. Then you could think about a way that we could write about strike rate sensibly in articles. I'm not sure how I'd go about doing so. I imagine it would mainly be relevant to very modern players, almost certainly those playing within the last 10 to 15 years, and almost certainly relevant mainly to those playing limited overs cricket. I guess there might be a case for checkin the Bazball article, which looks interesting at first glance and seeing if there's any crossover as well Blue Square Thing (talk) 21:20, 2 July 2025 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Karen Read#Requested move 24 June 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 08:44, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

There are some cricket GA noms at GAN... admittedly all mine :D I wonder if anyone would like to review these, as there is currently a huge backlog?!

• Chris Benham: start nom
• Colin Ingleby-Mackenzie: start nom
• Rowland Prothero, 1st Baron Ernle: start nom

Cheers in advance to anyone who takes these on. Shiny stuff in return! AA (talk) 10:27, 28 June 2025 (UTC)

@AssociateAffiliate: I've never reviewed a Good Article before, and I've only just recently ended a Wiki-Break, but I'm giving strong consideration towards looking at the Benham article for you. (I want to know the process for when I polish up and submit Cris Tinley's article for it; the DYK reviewer months ago said it was close.) It's short enough that my lack of attention span (or at least my autism) can look through it without getting too tired, but is long enough to be interesting. Since a GA review needs to be better than that, is there a "cheat sheet"/"Good article reviewing for Dummies" kind of thing that I can use to assist, like the template that helps with reviewing DYK articles? I'd look them up myself, but I apparently don't have a clue what search terms I'd use. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 06:21, 7 July 2025 (UTC) (P.S. Shiny stuff is totally optional, even if I give Benham's article the green plus sign.)

@AssociateAffiliate: I'm still looking at and reviewing Benham's article, though I've realized about 2/5 of the way in that I may be doing the in-progress review incorrectly according to a Wiki-Essay I'm reading about good article criteria. Maybe I'm being too thorough and...uh...bossy, maybe? (Yikes.) I probably need to find an example of someone doing a good GA review for an article on a cricketer, but I forget what's been added recently. Regardless, I hope I'm not in way over my head with this... -- JustJamie820 (talk) 06:37, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi! My apologies, I have been away for a few weeks. Back now :) Thank you for having a look at Benham. In response to your question, the only "cheat sheet" that I am aware of is the good article criteria guide. Happy to take a look at Tinley's article when it is ready for GAN. Bossy or thorough ain't a bad thing, used to it with my FAC's in the last year!!! As an example, my only other GAN review is here. AA (talk) 13:00, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

Thank you very much for the help. Your GA review on Manners is a massive help. (It also gives me confidence to finish the review...I was starting to worry about things like conflicts of interest.) I'm going to "steal" the best parts of it to help me with the other 3/5th. Welcome back, and I look forward to hearing what you have to say. As for Tinley, I haven't tinkered with the article lately due to my attention span being elsewhere, but I do hope to polish things up and send him to GA after the Benham review. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 23:04, 11 July 2025 (UTC)

@AssociateAffiliate: I've submitted the review for Benham. Just a few small things to polish up and I'll plus-sign the article. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 06:42, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

Cheers! Actioned a few points this evening and will look to address the rest tomorrow. Glad the example of Manners proved helpful. Look forward to the Tinley article being expanded. Once my Hampshire expansion project is done, I might work on some of the pre-1864 Hampshire players, many from around the same era as Tinley. AA (talk) 20:51, 12 July 2025 (UTC)

@AssociateAffiliate: I saw your update and liked what I saw. Only down to two things needed (the suggestions are totally optional, but good for polish), though really, I only need to care about the lead instead of one missing hyperlink to a Pro40 season. If I were to hold up the plus sign over only the latter, that would be execrable. (Fancy word!) It would be a bad look, basically. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 06:31, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

@AssociateAffiliate: Once I process the instructions on how to do so, the plus sign is ready to be place on Benham's article. Nice working with you there. BTW, let me know when you go into Tinley-era Hampshire; that vintage of cricketers fascinates me as well. Perhaps some of your cricketers are on my sandbox page of those I'm interested in... -- JustJamie820 (talk) 21:40, 14 July 2025 (UTC)

Cheers, thanks for reviewing. Much appreciated. Look forward to reviewing Tinley when he is ready for GAN. Some of the first few names on this list are from the pre-Hampshire CCC Tinely era. AA (talk) 06:23, 15 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi JustJamie820, a cheat sheet of sorts can be found at Wikipedia:Reviewing good articles. Please make sure to spot check the sources in the nominated article, to check that there is no WP:OR or WP:COPYVIO. For example, checking the Benham Gets Chance to Impress source at the start of the "Establishing himself at Hampshire" subsection, I can see that being in the second XI, impressing in the first half of the season, Katich being injured, and the match in question are all supported by the source. I don't see any plagiarism either, so I'd note in the review that Benham Gets Chance to Impress was checked and no issues were found. No need to check every source (44!), for an article this length I would personally look at four or five. Best, CMD (talk) 01:35, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

@Chipmunkdavis: Just 10% of them? Wow, I've probably looked at half of the sources. Oops.  :-) I guess I'm thorough like that. I think the only pages I didn't visit directly were the CricketArchive ones; I do have paid access to them, but I was pretty sure that the pages were being used correctly for sourcing. Incidentally, what also helped when I did the GA review was the essay about common mistakes a reviewer makes; this allowed me to soften my original, "bossier" draft into something that was more acceptable for me to feel comfortable to publish. (I did still add suggestions, which I don't think you're supposed to do, but I felt the suggestions would be useful for polish, yet not required for passing GA.)

Anyway, thanks for popping in and helping out. Also, I felt the same about that "Chance to Impress" article; I also believed it was correctly utilized. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 02:09, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Nothing wrong with being thorough! Just make sure you say on the review page "I've looked through half of the sources". There's also no problem adding suggestions, so long as it is clear they are suggestions. CMD (talk) 02:44, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

Months ago, I produced a draft on a former Rajasthan cricketer, Rahul Kanwat, that was rejected by two other editors; a third I had been in contact with a lot at the time would've done the same. (Then I got petulent and stopped editing.) Since I've come back, I wanted to revisit the article. How can I get this article to pass AfC? It's possible I know the answer myself, i.e. less reliance on CricketArchive, but I remember in February and March exhausting English sources for him (unless I wanted to go match-by-match on rediff.com, which didn't necessarily add a lot in most cases; though it did once or twice), and I don't know any Indian languages. Either way, since I find him notable because of his long tenure with one Ranji Trophy squad (130+ FC/LA matches is no joke), and since I'd hate for it to get deleted, I wanted to see if there was anyone willing to help me out with any aspect of this draft. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 04:06, 17 July 2025 (UTC) (P.S. Even if your help is one word in an article, it would be valuable.)

Apart from the Rajasthan Royals stuff, everything else is pretty much based on CA only. Adding more independent sources might help. Vestrian24Bio 07:13, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

One set of sources I found is from a Bradford-area newspaper, the Telegraph & Argus, talking about him playing in one of the ECB Premier Leagues in 2008, but I don't know if it's notable that he played in such a league, especially since I can't find him in scorecards for his team on CA. (Plus, the vast majority of players in the (currently) 33 ECB Premier Leagues are probably not notable on their own.) I trust the newspaper to be reliable, but I don't know if the info is trivial or not.

He also seems to be an advocate for IPL games to be broadcast in Rajasthani languages, but I can only source that to a cricket website's Instagram video...so that's a no for now. I'm not giving up on trying to find sources, though. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 23:47, 18 July 2025 (UTC)

Once I figure out a way to do so, I will likely add the mention of him playing in Bradford...the way I wrote the article back in February makes it hard to include it now. It dawned on me that, since the Bradford Premier League has an article on WP, maybe it's not so bad to mention it. I just hope it's enough. Believe me, amid all that distractions in my life, I'm trying. I so wish that I could simply overwrite the redirect and publish it as it is, but I think I was recommended not to do so months ago. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 22:22, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

I wanted to add this to my draft salvaging post, but I figured I'd get more responses if I made it its own topic.
In an effort to make a future, fourth attempt at submitting Rahul Kanwat's article into Wikipedia be successful, I decided to look if some of the CricketArchive pages I've sourced could be sourced to ESPNcricinfo. I've found a couple of scorecards there that are fully updated to the modern CI framework. Conversely, there are a lot of others that are on the old version of the website (old enough to still be advertising the first Stanford 20/20 competiton in the sidebar, yikes) that are basically just plain text, like Kanwat's first match here. They don't have hyperlinks, and often lack automatically-generated accomplishments, like CricketArchive scorecards do. For example, I can't source that Kanwat debuted in this match to CI not mentioning it on the scorecard page. While I find no issue with using old-style CI articles as sources, I don't know how I feel about using their old-style scorecards. I'd much rather use CA due to it having better features. However, I do know that reviewers who have found drafts of mine problematic want me not to source one site so much.
This (finally) brings me to my question. Is it better to source a scorecard that is on a free site but is a basic, plain text page over a nicer, more verifiable scorecard page on a paywalled site? What are the viewpoints of WP:CRIC members on this? -- JustJamie820 (talk) 03:19, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

References are there to verify the information being presented in the WP article. If the CI scorecard does that then how pretty/functionally rich it is should not matter. Spike 'em (talk) 07:03, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Having said that, just adding different scorecards will not satisfy the SIGGOV point that the page reviewer mentions. Spike 'em (talk) 07:05, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

I understand that scorecards alone don't make an article notable, but the main thing I wanted to do is diversify my scorecard sources so that I'd lessen my chances of getting told not to use CA so much. I'll still look for prose on Kanwat to see if there's more coverage on him. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 19:23, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Hi all, I have recently nominated List of cricketers with centuries in all international formats for Featured List status. However I noticed that it has not yet been added to the WikiProject Cricket (unlike a similar list, List of cricketers who have scored centuries in both innings of a Test match), could someone please add it with the appropriate importance rating?

Also, feel free to add any feedback/comments to the Featured List Nomination - Wikipedia:Featured list candidates#List of cricketers with centuries in all international formats.

Thanks

DiamondIIIXX (talk) 05:21, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

@DiamondIIIXX: I didn't feel like saying this in the featured list page (drive-by comments from me have no merit there because I don't think I've ever commented on that page before), but you'll probably be told to remove the Times of India reference. WP:TIMESOFINDIA says it's not fully reliable. If I can't use it to get a draft into the mainspace, as I was told I couldn't do recently, you'll likely be unable to use it in a featured list. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 01:15, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, I'm using the TOI article as social commentary for the milestone of scoring a century in all 3 formats, so I don't think it's a huge issue. Granted it's not the greatest source, but it took a lot of searching just to find that. Also, I used another source (Wisden) to go along with it. Cheers DiamondIIIXX (talk) 07:53, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

@Spike 'em I saw your edit removing the "refbomb" - The glut of sources was due to the lack of an updated list from a secondary source so each report of the feat being completed had to have a new reference - hope this makes sense.

Also, per ChrisTheDude's comments here Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of cricketers with centuries in all international formats/archive1, would you be able to help fix the sorting for the table? I have no experience with those settings he mentions.

Thanks DiamondIIIXX (talk) 11:06, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

The Wisden link mentions all but one of the male players. We still need to use WP:RS and most of the refs there failed this. As Jamie mentions, for a Featured article you need to be sure of these. Spike 'em (talk) 11:13, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

I've removed the TOI article out of caution. Replaced with Hindustan Times article with similar content. DiamondIIIXX (talk) 11:01, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Not sure if it was quicker than doing manually, but a bit of Regular Expression search and replace should have done this. I've not checked everything, so there may still be some data there in the original format. Spike 'em (talk) 12:12, 22 July 2025 (UTC)

Thanks for the help. The tables are sorting nicely now. DiamondIIIXX (talk) 10:06, 23 July 2025 (UTC)

Alan Kippax has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 19:06, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

Does anyone know the current thinking on whether the teams that played in the South African Cricket Board matches (primarily the Howa Bowl) are considered the same teams as those that played in the Currie Cup and other competitions? CricketArchive has them separate, but then it also has Natal and KwaZulu-Natal separate; CricInfo also has them separate in terms of records. The matches were later given FC status (Wisden 2006). People such as Richard Compton (cricketer) and Patrick Compton, for example, we have playing for Natal, but actually played for the SACB team.

I'm currently working on a List of Natal cricketers, and we already have Eastern Province and Western Province lists which may either have people on who shouldn't be or will need people adding Blue Square Thing (talk) 15:39, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

I've tried to source some of the SACB cricketers with little luck. From what I can tell, the teams were separate entities representing the same provinces. Hack (talk) 19:09, 24 July 2025 (UTC)

If we are noting one of the 5 annual Wisden Cricketers of the Year should we use a singular or plural Cricketer(s)

i.e. Is Kane Williamson a Wisden Cricketer of the Year or Wisden Cricketers of the Year?

Does it make any difference if listing the awards won by a player? To someone who does not know much about the award, then listing someone as Wisden Cricketer of the Year 2007 sounds more impressive than one of Wisden's Cricketers of the Year 2007. Spike 'em (talk) 14:01, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

for example: A player I've not editted Pat_Cummins#Achievements has a list of awards including both Wisden Cricketer of the Year 2020 and Wisden Leading Cricketer in the World 2023. Spike 'em (talk) 14:11, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

Hello all. It's pretty much mid-summer in the UK, so just putting out there this list of FC/LA/T20 hosting grounds needing photos. I've linked to the English section of the list, but there are separate sections for Ireland/NI, Scotland, and Wales. Also, see the template below with some grounds which includes the national counties aka minor counties, which although not as important as the FC/LA/T20 hosting grounds, it too would be nice to have some photos of their home grounds as well. Happy snapping!

AA (talk) 08:57, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

While browsing the Test cricket article I have uncovered some strange and hilarious image edits by a user "Ricky212" on Commons, when they uploaded them on 17 December 2006.

The image currently used in the infobox for the Test cricket article (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:England_vs_South_Africa.jpg) has been altered from its original state at flickr - https://www.flickr.com/photos/louisr/235969749/. The unused pitch on the leg side has been blurred/smudged, and there have been numerous alterations to the crowd, e.g. tens of red dots used to, I assume, "make the crowd look more full". These dots are easily visible on the white seats in the far left stand. Members of the crowd have been duplicated and pasted, this is visible on the first floor, above and to the left of the Oaklands logo. There are numerous other crowd edits and alterations. They are visible when flicking between the original and the one uploaded. The image was first added to the page on this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Test_cricket&oldid=102146369

But the alterations don't stop there, no. The user also "created" the following image, used in The Gabba - https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Australia_vs_South_Africa.jpg. It has been composited from two of the images uploaded by the flickr user. Image 1 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/talisen/125562745/in/album-72057594102425824/ (All rights reserved, non creative commons image), used as the field in the composite. Image 2 - https://www.flickr.com/photos/talisen/125562747/in/album-72057594102425824 (some rights reserved), used as the background/sky. The user has also blurred some image imperfections at point and cover. The image was first added to the page on this edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_Gabba&oldid=401612660

It is probably worth looking through all their uploads to ensure there aren't any more. The ones I found are already used on many pages.

I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw all the random edits on the Newlands image! Anyway, would the images require re-uploading or just adding new versions? The Gabba one is using non-free material so I assume will have to be removed completely, and possibly re-uploaded using the one with the suitable rights.

I got a good laugh out of these, I hope you do too. DiamondIIIXX (talk) 11:24, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

These are terrible! Nearly as bad as AI :D AA (talk) 21:18, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

As CricketArchive is behind a paywall, it's usage in external link violates WP:ELNO point 6, as it is a Sites that require payment or registration to view the relevant content. As such, I don't believe it should be used as an external link, in which case the template to do so- Template:Cricketarchive should probably be deleted to discourage people adding it as an external link. Thoughts? Joseph2302 (talk) 10:47, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

Agree, it should be deleted. Vestrian24Bio 12:31, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

The template has a valid use to cite information in-text. Hack (talk) 13:30, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

It shouldn't be being used for in-text citations as per the documentation: Template:Cricketarchive displays an external link to a CricketArchive web page. Links to cricket player profiles are created with the "id" parameter and links to other pages are created with the "ref" parameter. It is intended for use in the external links section of an article. This, like other similar sports templates should only be used for external links. Joseph2302 (talk) 13:51, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

I think its currently in use on just over 3,000 pages. I'd can't think of a use for it, although as some will be used as references it's tricky. Can we get a bot to do the rounds and delete any uses that are in an external links section first? I have no idea if that's possible Blue Square Thing (talk) 19:32, 4 July 2025 (UTC)

@Blue Square Thing: we could place a request at Wikipedia:AutoWikiBrowser/Tasks. Vestrian24Bio 03:05, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

If we decide this is a good idea, that wouldn't certainly be worth exploring Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:51, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

I don't think they need to be removed. In some instances, they it does provide more info than CricInfo. They should be discouraged, and it already has a padlock on it to indicate it's a subscription only link. Some users would have a subscription, and if you are quick with the stop loading button, anyone can still read the site. What would be more useful would be to ensure that it is never used as the source in the infobox. And WP:ELNO only says that "one should generally avoid providing external links" not that you can't. The-Pope (talk) 04:05, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

What really needs to happen, is they need to be moved out of external links and used as references instead. In many cases they probably already are. The problem is that 3,000 articles is a lot to work through and do that with. I would rather see them removed as external links – their paywall redirect is not the sort of thing an XL should do

My gut feeling, from looking at the Infobox cricketer maintenance category, is that there aren't any uses of the template as a reference in the infobox, but I might be wrong about that Blue Square Thing (talk) 08:51, 5 July 2025 (UTC)

I guess one place where its usage is common is Women Cricketers, because CA has the WFC and WLA status included, while CI still does not get its act together. So it would not be enough to delete the link, also the info might need to be deleted in the Infobox.--Maphry (talk) 05:14, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

There's no problem in using CA as a reference, including for the infobox. I would encourage it. The problem is when it's used as an XL – people click those and expect to be able to get to something that summarises the article in some way I think Blue Square Thing (talk) 07:27, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

The conversation has been had before but there has to be a better way of formatting the infobox references than inserting a bare url. Hack (talk) 07:54, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Agree that bare URL like this should not be used on inline references. Therefore, it seems there is no valid use for the template- as it isn't a valid external link, and the template should not be used for inline citations either. That being said, would be good to have a plan for cleaning up inline references using this template before I start a TFD. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:55, 8 July 2025 (UTC)

Late to the party, but I agree with this comment and its replies. AP:ELNO indicates that such links should "generally be avoided" not that they musn't be used. I would always avoid Cricket Archive due to the paywall, and make sure that the infobox points to Cricinfo. However the point about women cricketers still remains true. Bs1jac (talk) 16:06, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

CricketArchive, to me, has a little bit more accuracy than ESPNcricinfo because all of the matches that are credited to a player have scorecards. For example, prior to my Wiki-Break, a player whose article I created was found to have an extra first-class match and four extra wickets on CI that CA does not have anywhere. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, of course, but I'd rather trust CA's figures for now because their figures are verifiable. We shouldn't exclude the site as an infobox source, though as an external link, it's a bit unnecessary, because if you're sourcing just the main player page, it's likely duplicating what you've already sourced in the infobox. -- JustJamie820 (talk) 23:05, 6 July 2025 (UTC)

CA went behind paywall in 2015. For old stuff, there is an option to use pages from web.archive.org - like those leading from https://web.archive.org/web/20140922064116/http://cricketarchive.com/Archive/Seasons/index.html - if it is essential, like for some first class scorecards and pages of ancient players. For scorecards from Test series pages, I occasionally replace CA with CI because it is very irritating to hit the paywall while looking up something. Tintin 07:28, 13 July 2025 (UTC)

An edit (by @Servite et contribuere) and revert (by yours truly) on West Indies cricket team raises a couple of questions:

• Does a national cricket team represent the country or just the cricket players of that place?
• In the case of a trans-national teams (like the Windies) , do they really represent a region, even though large parts of it [do] not play cricket?

Servite replaced a link to West Indies with a piped link to Cricket West Indies in the lead sentence (representing the West Indies), which I reverted (there is also already a link to CWI later in the sentence). All of the teams that represent a clearly identifiable country link to that country. Ireland says represents All-Ireland whereas England says represents England and Wales and links to Cricket in England and Cricket in Wales instead of the actual countries. West Indies also includes countries such as Cuba / Haiti, Domincan Republic who don't play much cricket, and aren't listed as members of the ICC (though Cuba used to be a member).

I would still say that the Windies cricket team still represents the region, rather than just the administrative body, and there needs to be a link to the region at the begining of the article. Spike 'em (talk) 09:32, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

I think at some point we need to tell people what the West Indies is, geographically. It's a term that might not be well understood by people who may refer to the area as the Caribbean. The wording might need tweaking, but I'm not sure how we can do that in the lead without being too complex. It's probably as good as we're going to get it as it already is – the detail can go later in the article Blue Square Thing (talk) 10:14, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Spike 'em These questions are worth answering. First of all, I am going to say that it neither represents the country or the cricket players of that place, but the governing body instead. And I wouldn't be against updating it to say that the team represents Cricket West Indies and for other cricket nations. Now to another one, Cuba is more complicated because I don't think there is any way in the world the Cuban government would allow its players to play on a multi national cricket team. Now back to what the Windies represents, I think it is best to go with what the West Indies officially represents and not to include places that are only included on a regional basis by name. What's next? Saying that the Sydney Roosters represent all of Sydney in rugby league? These are sports (Rugby league at least in Australia) that set out very clear geographical representation guidelines. Servite et contribuere (talk) 10:44, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Can of worms stuff here. Over the history of international cricket, national teams have come into existence in diverse ways. In England, for example, for much of the 20th century, the England Test team was actually organised by the Marylebone Cricket Club. HiLo48 (talk) 11:04, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

I did a quick straw poll of a couple of national teams in other sports : Football, Ice Hockey, Field Hockey, Water Polo, Basketball & Rugby League articles state the national team represents the country; Rugby Union and Netball state the team represents the national governing body. Most of the sports stating the country then mention the national governing body soon afterwards. I think cricket articles should continue to do link to the country and add explanations where necessary. Spike 'em (talk) 11:08, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

my standard opinion is that the football people usually do things the right way. There are a lot more of them and they've established style guides covering a whole tonne of stuff Blue Square Thing (talk) 13:56, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Football also doesn't really have this problem. SportingFlyer T·C 15:33, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

Technically, football national teams represent FIFA member associations, which represent mostly but not exclusively sovereign nations. Hack (talk) 15:55, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

I agree. As much as they are the de facto representatives of the country (and in some countries the government influences selection) they are in all practical aspects simply representing the organisation that selects and pays them. Which, for most international sports, is the recognized & affiliated association or board. The board or association represents the country or region, because I don't think anyone had held a national vote to select a team (yet). The-Pope (talk) 16:07, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

I think this is correct, i.e., the team technically represent the national association. But common understanding would be that it represents the country/territory/region. And could say that the national association itself represent the country in the sport, so by proxy the team indirectly represents the country. Bs1jac (talk) 16:11, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

If you are worried about the non-cricket playing countries, there is also the option of linking to British West Indies to exclude Cuba / Hispaniola. The lead of the cricket team does mention that the places represented are mostly ex-British colonies. Spike 'em (talk) 16:50, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

(Linking for quicker access - Anderson–Tendulkar Trophy, Pataudi Trophy, Anthony de Mello Trophy)

Should the three articles be merged? I feel as though there is a lot of duplication in the three articles and could be combined into one (Anderson–Tendulkar Trophy) with sections on the Pataudi and Anthony de Mello trophies. Also, I think rewriting the articles would be a good idea as some parts are unclear or confusing (in Anthony de Mello Trophy it states "When the matches are played in England, the trophy was called as Pataudi Trophy" which is a contradiction, or at the very least could be written better) DiamondIIIXX (talk) 20:08, 28 July 2025 (UTC)

• An argument against the merge is that Anthony de Mello trophy was used for all Test series in India in the 1970s and 1980s - or at least when a trophy needed to be presented - not just India-England matches. It just stopped being awarded at the turn of the 1990s and reappeared as an India-England trophy in 2012. If you scroll this twitter thread - https://x.com/tintin1107/status/1526890159052312576 - there are some presentations in non-England matches in the 1970s and 1980s.

Another problem is that it did not start in 1951 and was probably first awarded at the end of England's tour of India in 1972-73. BCCI erroneously put the start date as 1951 in a press release in 2012 and it was widely reproduced in reputed sources like The Hindu. I guess it will be impossible to correct this in Wikipedia now. Tintin 04:27, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Two of the photos are from these sources - https://thehinduimages.com/details-page.php?id=173445109 Imran receiving the trophy in 1986-87 and https://www.google.co.in/books/edition/Kapil_Dev/EF_jESQMqTgC?hl=en&gbpv=1&&pg=PA132&printsec=frontcover Kapil being presented it v Sri Lanka. Tintin 04:35, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Looks like Howstat has gone off the BCCI press release - https://www.howstat.com/cricket/Statistics/Series/SeriesListCountry.asp?A=IND&B=ENG&Range=1951110220250802&s=3&t=Anthony%20de%20Mello%20Trophy&Home=T and Cricinfo only has 2020/21 and 2023/24 - https://www.espncricinfo.com/records/trophy/team-series-results/anthony-de-mello-trophy-868/test-matches-1

I checked back to 1984-85 and it was awarded - https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/david-gower-of-england-holds-the-trophy-aloft-after-the-news-photo/158387175

Not awarded in 1993 (charms cup) - https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/indias-captain-mohammad-azharuddin-lifts-the-series-trophy-news-photo/1243498018

Not? in 2001 - https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/the-indian-team-celebrate-their-1-0-victory-over-england-news-photo/1069574

Not in 2006 (TVS Cup) - https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/indian-cricket-captain-rahul-dravid-and-england-cricket-news-photo/57154620

Was awarded in 2008 - https://www.gettyimages.com.au/detail/news-photo/india-cricket-captain-mahendra-singh-dhoni-poses-with-news-photo/84113427

What a mess DiamondIIIXX (talk) 10:29, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

From what you have found, looks like when BCCI started getting sponsors for Test series from the early 1990s, they simply ditched the De Mello trophy and started awarding new trophies named for the sponsor of that series ! Tintin 13:41, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Was the demon South African legspin/googly bowler of 1907 Bert Vogler, as Cricinfo has it, or Ernie Vogler, as CricketArchive prefers? His forenames included both Albert and Ernest, so either is plausible. The article, btw, is pretty much a cut-and-paste of the Wisden obit, and gives no clues. Johnlp (talk) 11:08, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

I think in the past I've always seen him referred to as Bert, never as Ernie. OTOH, I've normally found CA to be more reliable than Cricinfo. I've looked in a few likely places in the cricket books I have, but they all refer to him by only his surname. I suppose it's possible that Bert was commonly used as his nickname in England and Ernie in South Africa or vice versa. JH (talk page) 15:36, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Doing a web search, this obituary (originally from Wisden?) looks like it might be the most authoritative source: https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/albert-ernie-vogler-155706 It has the title Albert ('Ernie') Vogler. So I think I now cast my vote for Ernie. JH (talk page) 17:18, 30 July 2025 (UTC)

Similarly, the recent biography of Herbie Collins by Max Bonnell is called 'Lucky: The life of HL "Bert" Collins'. Tintin 14:11, 2 August 2025 (UTC)

Just a heads up about an IP vandal that appears to be using a VPN (locations vary from the UK to Saudi), but all the IPs are making the same moronic edits. I suspect an old face might be behind these. I have thousands of cricket articles on my watchlist, so the vandalism gets spotted pretty quickly. Some recent examples:

If we could all keep an eye out :) AA (talk) 21:17, 29 July 2025 (UTC)

There were a bunch of strange edits to infoboxes recently from one-edit IP accounts as well - caused error flags. Not sure if you have the right culprit, but it'll be someone we know I imagine Blue Square Thing (talk) 10:16, 31 July 2025 (UTC)

No doubt it is someone we know. Strikes me as the sort of petty edits my suspect used to do! AA (talk) 16:18, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Apologies if this has been discussed previously. I have worked regularly on associate internationals since universal T20I status began in 2018, including the list of grounds (and the women's equivalent). One small thing that irks me slightly is when grounds used for a few international games between 'smaller' associates, that will clearly never meet notability criteria for an article, have an article created and immediately redirected to the men's national team article. A few exmaples are Mladost Cricket Ground, Valburga Cricket Ground and Velden Cricket Ground.

• Men's national teams pages have links to grounds that are self-redirects.
• The grounds list has lots of links that a reader would expect to go to a ground, but do not.
• Why redirect the men's team and not the women's team (especially if both have played at the ground)? If they are to be created, a redirect to the national assocation might be better

I feel that such grounds should simply be left unlinked. Wanted to gauge opinion on whether a list could be prepared and the articles removed (or otherwise change to the national association). I know the articles are redirects so it may not be considered worth doing, but I feel if we don't think they are required, we need to do something as the editor who makes most of them has said that they do so for consistency with previous entries. Bs1jac (talk) 16:27, 1 August 2025 (UTC)

Firstly, the discrepancy between how women's the men's cricket is treated is something that, given the last five years or so, could use addressing in general terms.

Specifically, unless we want articles along the lines of List of international cricket grounds in Austria (which is a possibility), I imagine that a redirect to something like Cricket in Austria or Austrian Cricket Association are best – although the later seems only to deal with the men's team of course. Because, why not.

Or there's List of Twenty20 International cricket grounds and List of women's Twenty20 International cricket grounds. I wonder whether they might be merged and, perhaps, simplified a little? Blue Square Thing (talk) 11:44, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:John Ratcliff (cricketer)#Requested move 3 August 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 11:32, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

Hi all, I'm a member of the Association of Cricket Statisticians and Historians email group and a member recently noted that Patrick Ohlstrom is unique in first-class cricket for being dismissed hit wicket in his only completed innings and having a hit wicket as his only wicket.

Obviously I've added this to Ohlstrom's article but how do I cite a message from a private email group? Roisterer (talk) 07:30, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

{{Cite mailing list}} exists but it requires a URL. Hack (talk) 08:57, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

Hello all. Just expanding Llewellyn's article. Apparently, he died as a result of a gas explosion in his Chertsey home on 7 June 1964. Can anyone find a source for this? BNA seems devoid of anything. Cheers, AA (talk) 18:32, 3 August 2025 (UTC)

Nothing in 1964 in The Times or the Daily Telegraph. Johnlp (talk) 12:13, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

Odd that neither carried an obituary for him. One in SA was only written 5 years after his death, but I can't access that! AA (talk) 21:00, 4 August 2025 (UTC)

His CricketArchive profile has a note to say that he died in a gas explosion. It also has his place of death as Englefield Green. Hack (talk) 07:04, 5 August 2025 (UTC)

I feel like his article shouldn't be saying in Wikipedia's voice that he was definitely non-white/coloured. While it seems that this may have been the case, there is no definitive proof. Hack (talk) 16:44, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

To be addressed. There are two sections left to expand, one of which will discuss that! AA (talk) 17:33, 6 August 2025 (UTC)

There's probably a need to address the naming of chinaman as well – the Left-arm unorthodox spin includes the refs you'd need to discuss the now controversial nature of the naming of the delivery, as well as its possible use in other contexts Blue Square Thing (talk) 09:40, 8 August 2025 (UTC)

Think it would be a good idea to address the naming, I'll add that into the Playing style and records section. AA (talk) 10:16, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

@Hack:, @Blue Square Thing: Do you guys have anymore sources for this section, or think further explanation is needed? AA (talk) 10:17, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

I think you need to have some sort of modifier on the claim of non-white status in the lead. Hack (talk) 14:38, 11 August 2025 (UTC)

I've just seen this; I've got his biography somewhere so I'll hopefully find it and supply a source for the gas explosion death. Also, seeing the question of LLewellyn's background raised, both his biography and that of Krom Hendricks the late 19th Century black South African fast bowler, are unequivocal on the point that LLewellyn's mother was a black woman from Saint Helena. --Roisterer (talk) 07:19, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

Any additions to the articles from his biography would be greatly appreciated :) I wonder why his daughter was so insistent on his mother having been white? Sign of the times, perhaps? AA (talk) 13:41, 12 August 2025 (UTC)

@Hack:@Roisterer:. I've expanded to a "draft" state. Any feedback/ideas/casual review welcome! AA (talk) 10:44, 21 August 2025 (UTC)

Did you have any luck with a source on his death beyond the CricketArchive profile? Hack (talk) 12:57, 21 August 2025 (UTC)

No luck! Dave Allen at Hampshire wrote an article which refers to his death as being an accident, but wasn't more specific than that. Roisterer has his biography and will hopefully be able to provide a definitive source. AA (talk) 21:26, 21 August 2025 (UTC)

Sorry I haven't responded earlier. I'm in the process of moving and can't find anything at the moment. His biography isn't the only place I've seen his death explained as by gas explosion so I'll continue to hunt around. Roisterer (talk) 03:24, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

Cheers, no rush! I hope the move goes well :) AA (talk) 08:05, 22 August 2025 (UTC)

Steve Smith (cricketer) has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 01:13, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

Early life of Ricky Ponting has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 16:07, 1 September 2025 (UTC)

There are two cricket grounds across the road from each other in the Marrara Sporting Complex in Darwin. One we call Marrara Oval (TIO Stadium) and the other Marrara Cricket Ground (DXC Arena). Both have hosted First-class and List A cricket quite recently, with national A teams from Sri Lanka, Pakistan and Bangladesh playing at both venues in the last couple of years. ESPNcricinfo lists the Marrara Cricket Ground as "Marrara Oval" and Marrara Oval as "TIO Stadium". Even more confusingly, the CricketArchive combines the two as Marrara Cricket Ground. Any idea how this could get fixed? Hack (talk) 10:28, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

More information Location of grounds ...

Location of grounds
270m 294yds Marrara Cricket Ground Marrara Oval

Close

If any project members have the time, I would appreciate some reference improvement on this page. The Wisden obituary isn't linking properly anymore for one (goes to a generic website main page), and the article's only viewable reference is a database. It could end up at AFD in the current climate as a failure of WP:SPORTSBASIC, but I'm assuming, given the extent of the career, that sources with WP:SIGCOV likely exist on this person. As an American, cricket isn't at all in my wheelhouse. Thanks for any help in article improvements in advance. I'd like to add Parks to the Deaths in May 1984 list once the obituary gets fixed and I have a source I can use. I tried locating it without luck on the Wisden website (which obviously I haven't figured out how to navigate well). Best wishes.4meter4 (talk) 15:10, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

I have fixed the Wisden obituary link and added a link to the Cricketer obituary as well. JP (Talk) 15:26, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Arshdeep Singh (cricketer)#Requested move 11 September 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Servite et contribuere (talk) 23:55, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

Pages like India national cricket team and Pakistan national cricket team, and I am assuming the rest, too, mention in their infoboxes the last games played in every format by the respective team. Given the frequency with which these teams play, is there really a point in us keeping a track of every single match and making an edit every few days to this? I don't feel it is very encyclopaedic. Information that changes often doesn't need to be included in Wikipedia articles.

I want to propose exclusion of the latest games played by an active sports team from the infobox.

Posting a link to this discussion in WP:SPORTS as well. Kingsacrificer (talk) 18:37, 14 September 2025 (UTC)

I agree that it should be excluded. It's trivia, with no guarantee it will be updated in a timely manner. 00:03, 15 September 2025 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by HiLo48 (talk • contribs)

I don't think a field needing to be regularly updated is a reason to remove it from an infobox. There is an "As of date" parameter to show how recently the IB has been updated. Spike 'em (talk) 11:03, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

Okay, but agree with you that it's trivia and doesn't add anything important to the page. Kingsacrificer (talk) 13:09, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

I never said that, the previous comment was by someone else and was not signed Spike 'em (talk) 14:38, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

I agree. This can easily be updated and there are plenty of users out there who will update the most recent match. Servite et contribuere (talk) 23:25, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Doing a comparison to other templates in Category:National sports teams infobox templates (which I added {{Infobox cricket team}} to), none of the other sports have a |Latest game=, and about half have |First game= (often alongside |Biggest win= and |Biggest defeat=). The cricket team infobox is far more extensive than the others, so maybe it is worth having a wider discussion about it than just the 2 parameters mentioned here.

I don't think there is a WP:SPORT guideline / template for these infoboxes, so we don't have to mimic the other sports. To repeat what I said above though: the updateabilty should not be a concern, there are many editors who update these articles in good time after games have been played. Spike 'em (talk) 08:56, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

I don't see any reason to remove it. Not just the teams, also venues and cricketers infobox have first & last match fields, but they are updated from time to time, by dedicated editors. Vestrian24Bio 15:03, 15 September 2025 (UTC)

But does it have any encyclopedic value? Kingsacrificer (talk) 07:04, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

No. And this time I'll make sure I sign. (What a stupid reason to discount someone's comment!) HiLo48 (talk) 08:13, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Don't think anyone discounted your comment tbf. Kingsacrificer (talk) 09:12, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Just wondering if anyone might be able to find a source for Phil Mead's funeral/place of burial at Bournemouth Crematorium and North Cemetery. It would likely have been in early April 1958. Can't seem to find any mention in newspapers. Find A Grave has him listed, but isn't citable. AA (talk) 21:16, 16 September 2025 (UTC)

Why isn't Find a Grave citable? Kingsacrificer (talk) 07:35, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

WP:UGC Spike 'em (talk) 08:43, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Found a ref that confirms Mead's funeral was at Bournemouth North using newspapers.com. Hack (talk) 09:30, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Excellent stuff, thank you! The article is pretty much finished now, clean-up aside. AA (talk) 21:52, 17 September 2025 (UTC)

Do you have a paid subscription for newspapers.com? Kingsacrificer (talk) 12:14, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

@Kingsacrificer: I have access through The Wikipedia Library. Hack (talk) 19:46, 18 September 2025 (UTC)

15 redirects related to national cricket teams have been nominated at RfD today. You are invited to comment in the discussions at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 September 25#Cape Verde national cricket team and Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 September 25#Algeria national cricket team (which includes 13 other redirects). Thryduulf (talk) 12:37, 25 September 2025 (UTC)

I have nominated a large number of redirects related to cricket (mainly national cricket teams) for deletion at RfD today. The discussions are:

• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 September 29#Unmentioned national cricket teams (33 redirects)
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 September 29#New South Wales national cricket team (4 redirects)
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 September 29#Hampshire national cricket team (4 redirects)
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 September 29#Lithuania national cricket team (1 redirect)
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 September 29#Timor-Leste national cricket team (1 redirect)
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 September 29#Ivory Coast women's national cricket team (1 redirect)
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 September 29#Uzbekistan women's national cricket team (3 redirects)
• Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 September 29#Cricket at the Southeast Asian Games (2 redirects)

Additionally, user:MPGuy2824 nominated 15 redirects for deletion at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2025 September 27#Belarus national cricket team. In all cases, please comment in the linked discussions rather than here.

I have also identified the following redirects as potentially problematic but which require further investigation that I haven't got time for today (and won't have until later in the week at the earliest).

• Albania national cricket team
• Andorra national cricket team
• Ecuador national cricket team
• Guam national cricket team
• Iraq national cricket team
• Mauritius national cricket team
• Poland national cricket team
• Solomon Islands national cricket team

Thryduulf (talk) 19:21, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

At the end of the 2025 season these currently contracted players are without articles. I'm not suggesting they all pass GNG (many of them won't) but if any interested takers in creating articles, or simply improving the redirects to list pages (small notes and actual inclusions for some of them) here is a list of players:

• Derbyshire: Amrit Basra (2 FC, 6 LA matches), Yousaf Bin Naeem (5 LA matches), Joe Hawkins (1 FC, 4 LA matches), Rory Haydon (2 FC, 5 LA matches)
• Essex: Charlie Bennett (2 FC, 7 LA, 1 T20 matches), Simon Fernandes (16 LA matches)
• Glamorgan: Henry Hurle (5 LA matches)
• Gloucestershire: Daz Ahmed (1 FC, 6 LA matches), Tommy Boorman (8 LA, 1 T20 matches), Aman Rao (2 T20 matches)
• Lancashire: Charlie Barnard (12 LA, 3 T20 matches), Keshana Fonseka (4 LA matches)
• Middlesex: James Feldman (3 LA, 1 T20 matches), Ishaan Kaushal (7 LA matches)
• Northamptonshire: Arush Buchake (1 FC match), Nirvan Ramesh (3 FC, 2 LA matches), Aadi Sharma (4 FC, 4 LA matches), Stuart van der Merwe (1 FC, 3 LA matches)
• Nottinghamshire: Tom Giles (1 LA match), Byron Hatton-Lowe (2 LA matches), Ben Martindale (12 LA, 7 T20 matches), Joe Pocklington (8 LA matches), Sam Seecharan (4 LA, 1 T20 matches)
• Somerset: Fin Hill (8 LA matches), JT Langridge (7 LA matches), Kian Roberts (2 LA matches), James Theedom (2 LA matches)
• Surrey: Tommy Ealham (3 LA matches), Alex French (4 LA matches), Nikhil Gorantla (7 LA matches), Seb Stuart-Reckling (1 LA match), Adam Thomas (10 LA matches),
• Sussex: Troy Henry (1 LA match)
• Warwickshire: Vansh Jani (1 FC, 8 LA matches), Adam Sylvester (1 FC, 3 LA, 2 T20 matches), Theo Wylie (4 LA matches)
• Worcestershire: Henry Cullen (14 LA, 4 T20 matches), Isaac Mohammed (1 FC, 5 LA, 8 T20 matches)
• Yorkshire: Will Bennison (1 LA match), Matthew Firbank (1 LA match), Noah Kelly (1 LA match)

Rugbyfan22 (talk) 16:38, 28 September 2025 (UTC)

• Looked at Troy Henry and couldn't find WP:SIGCOV. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:58, 2 October 2025 (UTC)

One thing I need to raise here: I boldly removed the Sydney Thunder from list of Ravichandran Ashwin teams over long standing consensus, but @Rfakjunkie still reverted despite them being let know here:User talk:Rfakjunkie#No teams until match played. This could very well be a case of WP:NOTLISTENING. Anyways, fact of the matter is: the Sydney Thunder should be removed until he has played a senior match for them. Servite et contribuere (talk) 02:10, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

I would like to clarify that once a franchise or domestic club formally signs or drafts a player, that player is considered part of the official squad list for the season, regardless of whether they have played a match yet. This is how squads are recognized under international cricket board regulations and MCG rules globally. Including Sydney Thunder in Ashwin’s infobox reflects this verifiable and published squad membership. I see no rational for removal unless there is a specific Wikipedia policy or guideline that explicitly prohibits listing teams before debut, removal on the basis of an undefined "long-standing consensus" cannot override WP:V and WP:CRIC. Rfakjunkie (talk) 05:32, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

No, it's not appropriate to add them until they play for the team. There is a long standing consensus on this and we have agreed on multiple occasions that someone should actually play for a side before we list them. This is different to what some other sports do. That's OK, we're allowed to do that based on consensus at WP:CRIC – I don't understand why you've quoted this above at all when it says "appeared as a player" a number of times and doesn't seem to say anything about when we should or shouldn't include in the infobox. There are multiple examples of players withdrawing from leagues, sometimes due to injury, and never playing for teams.

This is practical on a number of levels, not least because the infobox represents a summary of their actual career and, unlike the football infobox, for example, doesn't include numbers of games played (which would be problematic to source reliably). We also have quite a limited number of slots available for teams.

You want a policy for this? WP:CON does it nicely and seems to render your argument slightly less convincing Blue Square Thing (talk) 10:06, 27 September 2025 (UTC)

Only if they play- we don't need to bloat infoboxes with teams that players signed for but never played for. This is why we have the existing consensus. And infoboxes are meant to summarise a player's career- adding teams they never played for is not a summary. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:59, 2 October 2025 (UTC)

Hey all, I recently added a new section to the Test cricket article covering the history for the 1900s. It's quite a sizeable chunk (~61,000 bytes, about half the article total), so I was looking for feedback on if you thought it needed to be split out into its own article, or if it's ok as-is. Some fresh eyes going over it could be helpful too, in case I've missed something or if something could be written better. I am also thinking of adding a shorter section on the history/developments in the 2000s. Cheers DiamondIIIXX (talk) 07:40, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

It's is far too detailed, and much of it not directly related to Test cricket specifically, more a history of the ICC / cricket in general. Bodyline should be a couples of sentences, not multiple sections with individual match reports. Section should also be titled "Twentieth century", as 1900s implies the first decade of the century to me. Spike 'em (talk) 07:59, 29 September 2025 (UTC)

Thanks, I included the sections on the ICC as they are the ones who essentially determine who plays Tests and also write the Laws, which is quite important. Yes, I thought the section on Bodyline was a bit long, would you be able to help condense it? Thanks DiamondIIIXX (talk) 05:59, 2 October 2025 (UTC)

The ICC does not write the Laws : the responsibility for that lies with the MCC. The content should all relate directly to Tests, so details of new teams seems valid to me, changes to the size of the wicket not. There are also far too many one or two sentence sections, merge them into larger ones. Spike 'em (talk) 08:52, 2 October 2025 (UTC)

Yes, my bad, the ICC doesn't write the Laws but they do still administer them. DiamondIIIXX (talk) 23:35, 2 October 2025 (UTC)

Hey @Spike 'em, I've done some cleanup on it. Would be interested to know what you think now. DiamondIIIXX (talk) 22:53, 3 October 2025 (UTC)

I'm looking to keep the statistics in the infoboxes updated and was just wondering if anyone had any useful tools to help out with this task? LunaHasArrived (talk) 11:55, 5 October 2025 (UTC)

I have nominated Ernie Toshack with the Australian cricket team in England in 1948 for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets the featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" in regards to the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 01:42, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

Given the article has been merged, seems like a clear outcome that a redirect cannot be a FA. Joseph2302 (talk) 07:38, 6 October 2025 (UTC)

Hello all. If anyone could spare some time to review Phil Mead's article, it would be much appreciated. Going to aim for FA on this one. Cheers, AA (talk) 19:46, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

A couple of things that A.A. Thomson wrote about him have stuck in my mind, which I'll try to locate. One was that on the famous occasion when Hampshire were dismissed for 15 by Warwickshire (before going on to win the match), Mead made something like 7* and was baffled by the collapse, saying that he didn't face a single ball that he couldn't middle. The other was that when he returned to Australia in 1928-9, 17 years after his first visit, an Australian said to him that he remembered his father from 1911-2. JH (talk page) 08:42, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

I did see the remark made to him on the 1928-29 Australian tour, but thought it was said in a more jokey manner and wondered if it was WP:TRIVIA? The quote from the 1922 match would make a good addition to the part of the article which speaks about the match. I checked Thomson's Odd Men In, but couldn't find the quote. Be great if you could locate that :) AA (talk) 11:00, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

I have found the quote on the Warwickshire website AA (talk) 18:39, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

In a remarkable coincidence, I attempted to add Mead's comment and got an edit conflict when I attempted to submit it as you'd simultaneously been adding the same info. The only difference was that my source was an article in Arlott on Cricket. The two sources are word for word identical concerning what Mead said. (I think the remark made to Mead in 1928-9 is worth putting in, as I see an occasional bit of humour as a good thing. Serious doesn't have to mean solemn JH (talk page) 08:30, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

Nothing more annoying than an edit conflict, after all these years, still annoys me! Thanks for adding the comment, was thinking about including it this morning. Actually adds to the article and emphasises the time between tours for him - like you say, serious doesn't have to mean solemn. Think it's ready for FAC now. Cheers! AA (talk) 10:27, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

Probably not worth including but there was a funny moment in 1950, where the New South Wales Cricket Association president tells the father story, which Freddie Brown had been telling all tour with his own twist. Hack (talk) 12:17, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

Brown must have aged pretty well, compared to Mead! AA (talk) 19:42, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

I wonder if anyone knows when a stand at Northlands Road was named after him. I know one was, as it is briefly mentioned in a source (plus I've seen the old sign), but not sure when exactly, presumably mid-1950s when the ground was redeveloped. AA (talk) 19:43, 10 October 2025 (UTC)

Another possibility is that his death in March 1958 might have led to renaming a stand after him. JH (talk page) 08:29, 11 October 2025 (UTC)

That could be a distinct possibility. He opened the club's new offices there in 1957. AA (talk) 08:45, 11 October 2025 (UTC)

2025 Canada Super60 is the inaugural season of the Canada Super 60. The matches is being played with 10-over-a-side format with a time duration of 90 minutes. The tournament is being played from 8 to 13 October 2025 at the BC Place in Vancouver, BC Vikas265 (talk) 15:44, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

Just because it exists doesn't make it notable. Add sources to show it meets WP:GNG. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:09, 12 October 2025 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Mac Wright (cricketer)#Requested move 10 October 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 13:31, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

Hello all! I wonder if anyone would be kind enough to review some GAN's I have listed at the moment? I'm more than happy to review any cricket articles in return that you might nominate for GA class.

• Colin Ingleby-Mackenzie (Talk:Colin Ingleby-Mackenzie/GA1)
• Jimmy Wootton (Talk:Jimmy Wootton/GA1)

Example review here.

Cheers in advance :) AA (talk) 17:45, 19 October 2025 (UTC)

The 2025 Abu Dhabi T10 will be the ninth season of the Abu Dhabi T10. The matches are played with 10-over-a-side format with a time duration of 90 minutes. The tournament will be played from 18 November to 30 November 2025 at the Sheikh Zayed Cricket Stadium in Abu Dhabi. Deccan Gladiators are the defending champions, having claimed their third title in the final of the previous edition. Vikas265 (talk) 06:49, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

These tournaments simply aren't notable. AA (talk) 22:38, 20 October 2025 (UTC)

Agree- not notable, don't need season articles. Also, the purpose of this talkpage isn't to demand reviews of your drafts, that's what WP:AFC is for. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:28, 21 October 2025 (UTC)

I see 2025 Abu Dhabi T10 has been created, which is likely why this draft was blanked by Vikas and the page subsequently deleted. I wonder quack quack? AA (talk) 21:36, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

One thing I wanted to raise, @OCDD has been changing a bunch of logos which I have ended up reverting on ICC Tournament Articles, , . Now, I am not going to talk about them moving the page, but above the diffs of the image in the InfoBox. Look here: and here: . Anyways, here's another revision of OCDD'S preferred image in which they apparently claim consensus is needed for that simple revert (Appears they are claiming ownership of articles in my view): , , and now @Vestrian24Bio added this logo: . Whilst I do think it is better than the previous ones, I strongly disagree and think we should use logo's in the InfoBox like the one on this revision: . Anyways, I also think this should be the same for all ICC Tournament InfoBoxes, Men's Tournaments, Women's Tournaments, Under 19 Tournaments and Everything. As for tournaments with no file logo that is similar or reflective of the tournament in general and just a specific tournament, I think it would be better to just have no logo. I do think keeping it up to date by uploading a new logo every year can be done, but here are reasons I strongly disagree:

• 1 We should be trying to reflect the tournament in general and not just one logo of tournaments that can change every year

• 2 More importantly, ICC tournament logos are going to change almost every tournament. See how different they are here, just for some examples. See here and look at the logos: 2007 World Twenty20, 2009 World Twenty20, 2012 World Twenty20, [[2016 World Twenty20]]. 2024 Under-19 Cricket World Cup 2014 Under-19 Cricket World Cup. 2023 Cricket World Cup 2019 Cricket World Cup 2015 Cricket World Cup 2011 Cricket World Cup.

• 3 Unlike tournaments say like NRL (You may not know what this is unless you are from Australia or New Zealand), NFL, NHL, MLB, Premier League, NBA, which play their season every year and thus there are going to be many seasons before a logo change, ICC and World Cup events in General, (E.G. FIFA, World Rugby) are likely to either have a new logo for the new tournament (Which usually takes place only every 4 years), or only have the same logo for only a few years, and thus very few tournaments, if not only one get played with it, making it not reflective of the tournament in general.

Anyways, I would like to know what you think of whether you Support or Oppose this idea of logos in InfoBoxes. Servite et contribuere (talk) 01:42, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

We definitely shouldn't be using a logo from a single instance of a WC as the logo for the top-level article. Some sizes of the Women's WC logo have been badly trimmed and you can still see the very top of the INDIA 25. The same goes for this which you can see the top of INDIA & SRI LANKA 2026

Is there any indication that the top part is a generic logo that will be used across different instances? (The men's T20 one has been re-used, but with different colours)

If we can't find a suitable long-term logo, would it be possible to use a photo of the actual trophies instead? Spike 'em (talk) 14:58, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Spike 'em If there is consensus to use trophies instead, that would be fine. That is how it used to be for a long time (I think for a long time). Here is just a revision (Just one I picked that did have it): . Thanks giving that idea. I think we should, but before adding it in itself, I would actually prefer to actually hear from other editors as well to see if they agree or disagree. At bare minimum this should not be used. As for the trimming point, I actually didn't notice that, which for me is kind of surprising as I feel like I am able to read and see things within like a flash. Servite et contribuere (talk) 15:15, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Comment: There are these pages on Logopedia,

• CWC: Men's, Women's
• CT: Men's
• T20WC: Men's, Women's
• U19WC: Men's, Women's

From these, it's clear that ICC has been reusing same logo designs with different colors & subtitles since 2021 at least, although it differs historically. The contemporary solution would be to use the generalized logos.

Also, there's a copyright problem with existing trophy images (some latest ones at least), will post about it soon... Vestrian24Bio 16:47, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

Vestrian24Bio Don't think Logpedia looks like the best source in my view, also what is the copyright problem? I am open to just having no image whatsoever. If that works. Servite et contribuere (talk) 17:46, 22 October 2025 (UTC)

@Servite et contribuere:

• According to ICC's BRAND AND CONTENT PROTECTION Guidelines (2023) - [...] used for news reporting purposes in non-commercial, editorial pieces without the ICC’s prior authorisation and Websites that provide information about the Event and are being operated on a purely non-commercial basis [...] are unlikely to infringe the ICC’s rights.
• On the other hand according to WP:NONCOM files with non-commercial usage are prohibited from being used on English Wikipedia since 2007.

Vestrian24Bio 13:51, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

• Specific logo on specific event pages, general logo on the parent pages most of the logos are copyrighted and this is the only way that we satisfy WP:Image policy and meet all of the WP:NFCC. Any attempt to use general logos in specific event articles violates WP:GETTY point 14, and putting an event logo into the general article also fails NFCC. This imgae policy overrides how other people/websites choose to use logos. Joseph2302 (talk) 06:46, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Requested two articles - BCCI Centre of Excellence • BCCI Centre of Excellence Ground

National Cricket Academy article is present, either this can be updated, or new article can be created.

For second request, new article is required. The ground is going to host FC games between Ind A and SA A in Nov-20205.
Anish Viswa 09:47, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi all. Can Nepal Premier League is regarded as the highest domestic T20 league? Like other leagues i.e Indian Premier League, Lanka Premier League etc. Fade258 (talk) 14:19, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

It is the highest league in Nepal, however that doesn't grant automatic notability for anything (I believe there's a depreciated notability guideline that used to assert automatic notability for this). Certainly the coverage of NPL is lower than IPL and even probably LPL, and coverage is what's important for creating articles. Joseph2302 (talk) 16:09, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

@Joseph2302. Thanks for the clarification. Fade258 (talk) 02:39, 31 October 2025 (UTC)

I'm working on a new proposal for notability of cricket competitions, but it will take a few more weeks to be presented. Vestrian24Bio 16:29, 29 October 2025 (UTC)

Hi @Vestrian24Bio. Sounds good. Hope it helps to improve the notability guidelines. Fade258 (talk) 01:48, 30 October 2025 (UTC)

The second least most recent perpetual trophy is the Sobers–Tissera Trophy which was last held in 2021–22. The Southern Cross Trophy was last held in Australia in 2003–04, over 20 years ago - making it the least most recent perpetual trophy. Does the Southern Cross Trophy really still deserve to be designated as "perpetual" if it has not been contested in that long? DiamondIIIXX (talk) 08:56, 1 November 2025 (UTC)

Whose idea was it to have a dark blue background / blue text on the Sobers-Tissera page?

Are there any more SL related articles that do the same? Spike 'em (talk) 10:25, 1 November 2025 (UTC)