Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethiopia/Archive 2

tl;dr → Most of the casualty information is an advocate's original research. Source it properly, or remove it.

Editor Rastakwere (now indef blocked) was using documents self-published on ResearchGate to make his advocacy articles (over 150, by my count), ignoring Wikipedia's reliable source policies. As for the town of Wukro, he created 5 separate articles (and 4 redirects) claiming death counts sourced from the 'Atlas' document.^[1] (He also used the self-published tghat.com victim spreadsheet to support the atlas, but don't get me started on that.^[2])

Rastakwere also added these death counts and dates (which haven't been confirmed with reliable sources) into multiple articles:

The self-published 'Atlas' document has a spreadsheet at the end which lists "Wukro" 7 times.

However, I have dug through all the Wikipedia articles/sections/paragraphs and there are only 3 reliable sources cited in all these articles and paragraphs mentioning these incidents, and they do not support the counts from the 'atlas'.

EEPA situation reports have been heavily used to source claims of casualty counts and dates, however EEPA disclaims verification and takes no responsibility for their publication, thus making it fail reliable source tests. My viewpoint of the EEPA documents is as a notation that some other source might be found on a particular incident. Unfortunately, the EEPA reports do not provide many hints as to where they got their information from.

As you can see, the reliable sources (or RS plus EEPA) don't come close to matching what Rastakwere added to Wikipedia.

I have no doubt that fatalities happened — a lot of them – but Wikipedia has fairly stringent policies on what can and cannot be used as a source in order to put content in Wikipedia mainspace. This project (tracking down the Wukro incident information) has just highlighted for me (yet again) how poorly cited most of the 'casualties' content is in Wikipedia (as related to the Tigray War) and how far the pro-Tigray advocates have gone to push their point of view. The content wording is often loaded language (not used by the media) such as: "Wukro is a martyr town, affected by every phase of the Tigray war"; "the specific event in which victims died is not known yet"; saying the "perpetrators" were ENDF when the reliable sources say that mortar shelling occurred between two parties, catching civilians in the crossfire, and that both parties not one side are responsible.

In addition, these 150+ articles are all named such as "_______ massacre" when the media doesn't use any of these names/titles/terms/terminology (I've tried finding them in google; no such luck). Around 50+ of these articles have already been deleted from Wikipedia through AfDs. In almost all of these articles, editor Rastakwere states that the perpetrators are ENDF (or their allies), even when reliable sources state that shelling occurred between two warring parties. Sure, atrocities occurred, and RS tells us that both sides (and the allies of both sides) have all been complicit, but Rastakwere's articles would have you believe that Tigray is always the victim. POV-pushing.

We know a bit about why Rastakwere holds these viewpoints , and though he may have had a real-life excuse, most of us do not. I have been horrified to discover how far he was allowed to spam Wikipedia with this stuff, meanwhile collecting fellow advocates/followers who have repeated using these unreliable sources, and some who even fought with me over their desire to continue to use them.

Wikipedia community consensus has long been determined to use only reliable sources as outlined in numerous written policies and guidelines, and enforced by editors involved in AfC, NPP, AfD, RfC, RSN and other group discussions. It's time we got back to the basics here.

Rastakwere made well over 100 of these poorly sourced 'massacre' articles. Based on my experience working on them so far, I estimate that maybe a dozen may remain standing in the end. That's a lot of advocacy and POV-pushing, but a hell of a lot more time has been required for cleanup than it ever took him to create them in the first place. And I'm about to exchange my edit-scalpel for an edit-jackhammer.

It is time to remove the remains of this POV-pushing. Months have gone by and no one seems interested in finding reliable sources for these events. It is not vital that Wikipedia include every possible casualty count. There are plenty of articles explaining the Tigray War, the main events that have taken place, and placing the information in context.

I'm not against listing casualty counts as long as they're accompanied by dates or approximations (so there's no duplication), and they come from reliable sources. However, ResearchGate, blogs, and EEPA's situation reports just don't reach the RS bar.

Platonk (talk) 07:28, 29 December 2021 (UTC)

I am trying to verify the concept of a 2020 woreda reorganization and get a reliable source that can be cited.

Editor Rastakwere (now blocked) had added sections titled "2020 woreda reorganisation" into dozens of individual woreda articles (one example), citing the ResearchGate-hosted upload called "The Atlas", which I remind is self-published and shouldn't be cited. That document also only covered the Tigray Region, not all of Ethiopia. The only text I find in the document on this subject says this:

"Between 2018 and 2020, as part of a reform aimed to deepen and strengthen decentralisation, woredas were reorganised. As smaller towns had been growing, they were now providing a range of services (markets, even banks), so that people were travelling to the closest such towns for these services, but continued to have to travel to the formal woreda centre, often in a different direction, for most government administrative services. A huge consultation, involving numerous village meetings, was organised in this period, and we witnessed heated debates, particularly in the more remote areas. Based on these consultations, Tigray was re-organised into 88 woredas in January 2020, basically along the lines of the 1991 woredas to which 21 independent urban administrations were added (Map 2)."

The Atlas doesn't cite its source other than to mention "Data source: CSA & BoFED (2020)" and a search into footnotes mentions https://data.humdata.org/dataset. (Interestingly, it cites Wikipedia for pre-2020 woredas.) I am unable to find this data in the humdata-dataset. There is a document which mentioned 'woreda' and I downloaded the file 'ethiopia_admin3_woredas.json' but cannot figure out how to use it. At any rate, as a database it would be a primary source, and even if it mentioned a list of the new woredas it wouldn't mention "a reorganization".

Request #1 - Does anyone have any reliable source that we can use to cite the Tigray Region woreda reorg changes (to swap out the Atlas citation)?

Request #2 - Does anyone have any RS that lists all of the new Tigray Region woredas (or a complete list of them post-2020 changes)?

Platonk (talk) 10:55, 12 December 2021 (UTC)

I'm still not finding any written (textual) sources supporting the Tigray woreda reorganizations, but many of the *.et websites belonging to the Ethiopian government entities are down (have been down for a while), especially all websites related to Tigray. However, today I found two very recent maps^[1][2] on Humanitarian Response/OCHA's website which matches most of the new woredas in the Nyssen Atlas's map2 (the map is uploaded into wikimedia here). This leads me further to believe that the woreda "splits" actually happened, but I think we still need more than some maps to use as citations in the various articles on the newer woredas. Several woreda and tabia/municipality stubs have been draftified by editor Mccapra, a new page reviewer (WP:NPP).

According to WP:NPLACE and WP:GEOLAND:

• Populated, legally recognized places are typically presumed to be notable, even if their population is very low.
• Populated place outcomes generally follow WP:GEOLAND, which means that they're usually kept if they either have legal recognition or can be shown to meet GNG through significant coverage.
• Legally recognized cities and villages anywhere in the world are generally kept, regardless of size or length of existence, as long as that existence and legal recognition can be verified through a reliable source. This usually also applies to any other area that has a legally recognized government, such as counties, parishes and municipalities.

I am most concerned about the woreda articles (the equivalent to a 'county' in the USA) because it affects the templates (navbars) I have been working on (the 11 region templates with zones down the left side and districts/woredas in the body). The tabia/municipalities are towns/villages and I'm less interested in those now-draftified stubs. I'm sure user Rastakwere had a plan for the ones he created, but I'm not seeing it when I poke around.

We might be able to get info from the https://data.humdata.org/dataset. If anyone is willing to rummage around on that website/database, I would much appreciate it. I was unable to find anything, but it is supposedly a source for both the Nyssen Atlas Map2 and the OCHA maps. Platonk (talk) 09:21, 6 January 2022 (UTC)

I went down a Wiki rabbit hole after reading the discussions at:

• Talk:Axum massacre#Martin Plaut is not a credible source
• Talk:Axum massacre#One-source tag

The initial allegation is that eritreahub.org is operated by Martin Plaut. (For this exercise, the second allegation is irrelevant; whether Plaut is pro-TPLF or not.) Here is what I discovered:

• On eritreahub.org, there are 2,041 articles (1,900 news, 102 research, 29 maps, 10 immigration). Martin Plaut is author on 951 posts (47%), anonymous poster Eritrean Hub has 1069 posts (52%), and there are a mere 9 posts by 'Information', 5 by 'Ehadmin', and 7 unaccounted for.

So I could confidently conclude that Plaut operates or co-operates eritreahub.org (not a 'guest author'). Since Plaut hangs his shingle as an "independent journalist", this leaves no doubt that there is likely no editorial staff. I would therefore label eritreahub.org a self-published source. There are currently 30 articles in mainspace using citations to eritreahub.org. (Side note: Later, searching twitter for 'eritreahub' produces about 3/4 calling out Plaut for journalistic errors^(euphamism) on his EritreaHub, and 1/4 neutral or supportive.)

MartinPlaut.com has 2,006 posts from 2011-2021. I didn't look closely, but I suspect this website is not far different than eritreahub.org. Both use a Wordpress engine. I did notice that martinplaut.com has copied all of the EEPA situation reports, right down to the disclaimer and links-of-interest at the end of the EEPA reports.

There are 5 wiki articles with citations to martinplaut.com in them.

Since I had also seen several complaints in Twitter about copying from other journalist's articles, I decided to pick a few random articles.

• Agence France-Presse: martinplaut.com barrons.com
• Bloomberg News: martinplaut.com bloomberg.com
• Martin Plaut: martinplaut.com This article seems to link/refer to EritreaHub and some Tweets (@MapEthiopia), a Wikipedia article, and some other sources.
• BBC: martinplaut.com bbc.com Including copying the 4 images in the article.
• Haaretz: martinplaut.com haaretz.com
• The Economist: martinplaut.com economist.com

These were the first six random ones I clicked on. 5 are word-for-word copies of other articles. 3 of those 5 are news agencies, but I don't believe Haaretz and Economist are. I also seriously doubt that Plaut is a subscriber to AFP, Bloomberg, and BBC, as that would probably be prohibitively expensive for an 'independent journalist'.

I started to check eritreahub.org to test for the same copy patterns. Each article I clicked on was a copy from a different website; some blogs, some NGOs, some newspapers, no news services (in the subset I checked). I didn't go deep, but concluded that the pattern is the same — copying content from other sources. So much for the 30 wiki articles with citations to eritreahub.org.

I don't feel like diving down the EEPA rabbit hole... again. I already wrote about EEPA's dislaimer at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ethiopia#Use of unreliable sources leads to advocacy mess : A study of Wukro in the Tigray War. There are 65 wiki articles with citations to eepa.be.

I find a lot of these self-published types of sources are citing each other. (Including a few specific Tweeters and other blogs which I haven't named here, but have mentioned before.) They all publish the same rumors, and none of them lead to or from any reliable source. It's quite the Information laundering operation, but none of them pass the bar for a reliable source. In addition, citing to martinplaut.com or eritreahub.org would likely violate WP:COPYVIOEL, a restriction on linking to possible copyright violations. EEPA.be is just unsubstantiated/unsourced rumors. Platonk (talk) 10:37, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Pinging those who have been particularly active in Ethiopia topics recently: @Boud:, @BushelCandle:, @Dawit S Gondaria:, @Dunutubble:, @Garmin21:, @Jim Michael:, @Matthew C Konyake:, @The Supermind:, @Ue3lman:, @WMSR:, @Wowzers122:. Apologies if I've missed anyone (or pinged someone who doesn't want pings). And please watchlist this page if you are continuing to be active with the Ethiopia topics; it's the best central location to send a message to everyone. Platonk (talk) 10:37, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for all your research and clear exposition of the results, Platonk ! 16:31, 9 January 2022 (UTC) BushelCandle

@Platonk, after taking in your investigations, and doing my own checking-out of these sites, I have concluded that martinplaut.com and Eritreahub should be treated like blogs. Even if their content is mainly factual they are still self-published and most likely run by a single person. On the other hand, I think that EEPA is indeed a reliable source. And thank you for pinging me. :) Dunutubble (talk) 17:59, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

• On his website, Plaut clearly gives the source of his copy/pastes of news articles, e.g. 1 2 3; and Eritreahub also seems to be quite clear in attribution. Both cases, in legal terms, quite likely violate copyright, but there's no hint of plagiarism: Plaut and the Eritreahub team choose to take the legal risk of copyright violation. Those articles obviously can't be used on Wikipedia (except from their original sources).
  citing to martinplaut.com or eritreahub.org would likely violate WP:COPYVIOEL – Citing the copy/pasted articles would violate WP:COPYVIOEL. Whether citing the articles that are original to martinplaut.com or Eritreahub would be acceptable is open for community consensus; up to now, these have generally been accepted by the community of editors.
  I suspect this website is not far different than eritreahub.org. Both use a Wordpress engine. Common use of Wordpress doesn't tell us much. The two websites are clearly set up quite differently: third-party javascript sites at eritreahub.org seem to be only *.wp.com sites; while third-party javascript sites at martinplaut.com include *.gravatar.com, *.gstatic.com (google), *.wordpress.com, *.wp.com, and *.pubmin.com; the user's privacy is better respected at eritreahub.com.
  EEPA.be is just unsubstantiated/unsourced rumors. Martin Plaut and Mirjam van Reisen are well-identified (non-anonymous), well-qualified, journalist/academic sources that we can reasonably expect to have expert knowledge on the topic. Their method of publishing their knowledge (through eritreahub.org, martinplaut.com, eepa.be) does not satisfy the stricter Wikipedia standards. The anonymity of the Eritreahub.com editorial team makes it hard to judge the quality of editorial checking, and clearly Plaut has a dominant role in content contribution. That does not justify the use of the terms "information laundering" or "rumours". Given that the field of knowledge under discussion here - quite likely an ongoing genocide, although this does not yet have consensus - is one that is severely subject to statistical demographic biases, and given that there have been strong communication blocades on Tigray Region since 4 November 2020, whether to use any of the particular source articles or not should be up to the community to discuss and obtain consensus on.
  In terms of RS terminology, these can be rated somewhere in the intermediate range in between "generally reliable" and "generally unreliable". An automatic acceptance/rejection wouldn't be justified (except in the obvious case of copy/pasted articles from other sources). Boud (talk) 23:20, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

I have just created a campaignbox for the Tigray war. Given that I don't think I could single-handedly apply this to every Tigray war-related article that comes along, I'd like to announce it here so other people can help do the job for me. I'd also like to know if this template needs fixing. It looks like this:

Is there anything that could be improved? Dunutubble (talk) 16:35, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

The Edaga Arbi town article says it is in woreda Werie Lehe of Misraqawi Zone. But woreda Werie Lehe says it's in the Maekelay Zone. And woreda Enticho of Maekelay Zone says it has a town named Edaga Arbi. Who is up to figuring out this Russian Doll puzzle of which town belongs inside which woreda and inside which zone, etc. and re-word a few bits of article so they make sense? Platonk (talk) 07:57, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

@Platonk: according to this map of travel website, https://travelistica.com/en/destinations-guide/Edaga-Arbi/Map-of-Edaga-Arbi.m.142112/ , Edaga Arbi is located slightly west of Eastern Tigray aka Misraqawi Zone zone and appears to falls under Maekelay Zone. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 08:51, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

Looking at the GIS map OCHA published in December 2021 (which is based on CSA data), Edaga Arbi is a woreda and not a town and Werie Lehe is a town part of Edaga Arbi (that's why the article says it was a woreda). Enticho is now a town woreda. All of them are part of the Central zone. The woreda reorganization from 2018-2020 did happen but I can't find anything from the CSA to reliable sources about them. Looking at the map, Tigray has at least a dozen new woredas with no articles on them. I recommended everyone use this map. It includes all map data from regions to woredas and includes the administrative capital of regions, zones, and woredas (they're those blue icons). Ue3lman (talk) 21:51, 27 January 2022 (UTC)

See Talk:Maekelay Zone#Requested move 28 January 2022 for a proposed generic renaming of the zones in Tigray Region from their Tigrinya names to their English names (actually, I don't even know if these roman spellings are Amharic or Tigrinya...). Boud (talk) 22:19, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

If there's anyone who is familiar with making categories, we need at least three new categories for the new South West Ethiopia Peoples' Region.

• Category:Districts of the South West Ethiopia Peoples' Region
• Category:Zones in South West Ethiopia Peoples' Region
• Category:Populated places in the South West Ethiopia Peoples' Region

There may be other categories we'll need, but I've only identified these three (above). I can help populate the category, but I've never made one, and I'd rather not mess it up. Platonk (talk) 05:37, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

For those of you interested in keeping track of deletion discussions when they are submitted, you can watchlist this page. It is automatically updated when someone submits an article for AfD as long as Wikiproject:Ethiopia is on its talk page. It's like a one-stop-shop for all Ethiopia-topic AfDs.

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Ethiopia

A slightly different page which is also convenient for your watchlist is this one. It is in summary format and shows PRODs, move and merge discussions, etc.

• Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethiopia/Article alerts

Both are automatically updated daily, and you get a notification on your watchlist if there's a new addition.

Platonk (talk) 18:27, 31 January 2022 (UTC)

There are multiple zone/woreda/district template-redirects (final batch) up for discussion at: Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2022 February 2#Old navbar redirects for Ethiopia Wikiproject. Please join in the discussion. Platonk (talk) 00:14, 3 February 2022 (UTC)

There are over 70 articles which use the term tabia/tabiya without really defining it (57 articles, tabia 14 articles, tabiya), and it should be redirected to Wards of Ethiopia through an appropriately named redirect.

Similiarly, there are 216 articles which use the term kebele, though I didn't check to see if those wikilink to Kebele which redirects to Wards of Ethiopia. Though kebele is unique, the terms tabia/tabiya have other uses in Wikipedia (outside of Ethiopia), so we need to make a redirect but it can't be named simply Tabia or Tabiya, unfortunately. Perhaps Tabia (Ethiopia) (which I don't really like)?

Or maybe we can push the current Tabia to Tabia (disambiguation), leave Tabiya pointing to the chess move, and co-opt Tabia for our use.

I would like some suggestions because when I start adding wikilinks to articles, I don't want to change them again when someone later comes up with a better naming convention.

Thoughts? Platonk (talk) 22:01, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Making it a disambiguation page seems like the best option. Ue3lman (talk) 23:55, 7 February 2022 (UTC)

I proposed on the talkpage [] of the article to move the name back to Fano (militia), since no one is reading there, i'm proposing it here as well. The previous user that moved the article to the current name is blocked. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 06:47, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

If anyone hasn't yet noticed, Rastakwere changed several article names from their English spelling to their Oromo spelling in August 2021 without using the page move function. He instead copy-pasted that article's content into the Oromo spelled article page and made the old article into a redirect. I didn't notice this when I made a move request from Kamisse (Oromo spelling) to Kemise (original article name before Rastakwere changed it) in November and I didn't request a page merge which I'm pretty sure means the article history before August is lost. However, I did notice when I made my second request in December for Bati which resulted in the article Baati (Oromo spelling) being merged into Bati. If anyone would like to continue requesting page moves and history mergers you can use the list made by Platonk for Rastakwere's article creations which shows the location name changes. Ue3lman (talk) 14:41, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Hello fellow volunteers of Ethiopia wiki-project. I just discovered this niche community and I still can't believe it really exists, since I don't really see too much activity across Wikimedia projects regarding Ethiopia and its (85?) languages. Since November 2 I started to contribute in particular in ዊኪ መዝገበ ቃላት, I also added amharic in the phrasebook project within English Wiktionary and tried to translate in other wikis: my purpose is to link amharic with other languages by either direct translations or through left side inter language link. For that matter I think we should create and update everything we know or discover about Ethiopia on Wikidata. This is a really good way to connect all human knowledge. All this being said, now I have some issues/questions:

1. Currently, I am mainly focused on the growth of amwikt and translations of amharic. May I join WikiProject Ethiopia anyway?
2. I think there's a problem with the counter on the amharic version of Wiktionary because never see it changes in the value of total number pages. It's a little bit frustrating.
3. Is there any admin there or in other ethiopian wiki? I ask this because I don't know where to submit some requests (E.G for bot account or to import xml from other wiki
4. Last but not least: is it possible to import or create (if yes how) Translation templates like {trans-top}? Thanks.

Abreham97 (talk) 14:08, 11 November 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Abreham97. Sorry no one responded earlier. (1) Yes, you can join Wikiproject Ethiopia. It's as simple as Watchlisting this page. You can also go to Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethiopia#Members and add your name to the list. (2) You should ask Wiktionary questions over in Wiktionary space (not Wikipedia). (3 & 4) I have no idea; those questions are way over my head. Platonk (talk) 09:21, 9 January 2022 (UTC)

Thanks for your response. Abreham97 (talk) 21:09, 27 March 2022 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Lalibela (Emperor of Ethiopia)#Requested move 28 March 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 07:04, 5 April 2022 (UTC)

There is a content dispute at the main article Ethiopia (Talk:Ethiopia#April 2022) that would benefit from input from knowledgeable editors.--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:09, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

@Cuchullain: Is that correct to restore this version for a meantime because there are a lot of vagueness and too lengthy. I mean can the lede should summarize with significant events. Why you refused to review my Prehistory edit which was supported by another reference that I added. I think this version is compatible with MOS:LEDE, at least reduced amount of stuffs and shortly summarized. Please be hurry to discussion. The Supermind (talk) 15:49, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

Competency in the English language is real concern here..... we currently have an article that is almost incomprehensible. Would love anyone to take look see if a copy edit is posible....or if we should revert a months worth of edits.Moxy- 23:40, 20 April 2022 (UTC)

@Moxy:, @Cuchullain:, @The Supermind: Didn't see this dispute till now, i'll join in the discussion. Dawit S Gondaria (talk) 17:39, 21 April 2022 (UTC)

@Moxy and Cuchullain: Without knowing prehistory of how the proto-Ethiopians community grouped and started their civilization, we don't know how Ethiopia was build, and the notion of "Afroasiatic homeland", where Afroasiatic language originated from northeast region, specifically in Eritrea and Ethiopia. Simply detailing archeological findings is not adequate for Prehistory. (See also other country article in History section) The Supermind (talk) 08:56, 22 April 2022 (UTC)

I have (with the help of others) made a small user script to detect and highlight various links to unreliable sources and predatory journals. Some of you may already be familiar with it, given it is currently the 39th most imported script on Wikipedia. The idea is that it takes something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14. (John Smith "[https://www.deprecated.com/article Article of things]" ''Deprecated.com''. Accessed 2020-02-14.)

and turns it into something like

• John Smith "Article of things" Deprecated.com. Accessed 2020-02-14.

It will work on a variety of links, including those from {{cite web}}, {{cite journal}} and {{doi}}.

The script is mostly based on WP:RSPSOURCES, WP:NPPSG and WP:CITEWATCH and a good dose of common sense. I'm always expanding coverage and tweaking the script's logic, so general feedback and suggestions to expand coverage to other unreliable sources are always welcomed.

Do note that this is not a script to be mindlessly used, and several caveats apply. Details and instructions are available at User:Headbomb/unreliable. Questions, comments and requests can be made at User talk:Headbomb/unreliable.

- Headbomb {t · c · p · b}

This is a one time notice and can't be unsubscribed from. Delivered by: MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 16:01, 29 April 2022 (UTC)

Hi, I've recently started Draft:Premiership of Abiy Ahmed, and I want to invite volunteer editors to this draft for help. The help might be grammar or typo errors. Regards The Supermind (talk) 11:33, 1 May 2022 (UTC)

There is a content dispute at the Tigray Defense Forces article that would benefit from input from other interested editors. Efekadu (talk) 20:11, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello. I have been improving the Draft:Amhara genocide for a while and thought i would ask feedbacks before submitting it for a review. I would appreciate it. Thank you Petra0922 (talk) 21:17, 30 May 2022 (UTC)

Hello. I am looking for feedback before submitting this Draft:Amhara genocide specially from those who are familiar to the topic. I would appreciate it. Thank you Petra0922 (talk) 13:51, 31 May 2022 (UTC)

Recent massacre has been nominated in the news. Bokoharamwatch (talk) 04:34, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

The massacre last weekend was quite serious. What can this WP tell us about any similar massacres? Bokoharamwatch (talk) 04:40, 25 June 2022 (UTC)

How can I register here? ILYM22 (talk) 06:06, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Orthodox Tewahedo § Propose disambiguation page. (I thought I'd mentioned this here before, but don't see it on this talk page nor its archives.) Gyrofrog (talk) 16:24, 11 August 2022 (UTC)

Please contribute to this new article draft on Jews of Color.--Coin945 (talk) 20:10, 17 August 2022 (UTC)

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Schism of the Ethiopian and Eritrean Orthodox Tewahedo Church § Article issues. Gyrofrog (talk) 21:16, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Can someone please improve this? Right now it is only two sentences long of someone asking people to create the portal. Link is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Portal:EthiopiaFeanorasia 2 (talk) 12:50, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

The portal was deleted in 2019 as it did not meet the basic requirements for a portal, i.e. "that it is actively maintained, and that it attracts significant viewership" (see MfD discussion). I went ahead and deleted it again as per Wikipedia:CSD#P1 (EDIT: and I should have further specified WP:A3; my apologies). What had been added in the meantime is more suited for a talk page (which, granted, doesn't exist) - I'll move their comment here. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 14:30, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

I am moving the following comment from the deleted Portal:Ethiopia. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 14:36, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

Someone please create a proper portal for this page. This is a country over a 100 million people, it needs a portal.
— User:Onengsevia 04:08, 12 August 2022 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:De Bono's invasion of Abyssinia#Requested move 31 August 2022 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 14:31, 7 September 2022 (UTC)

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Category:Recipients of the National Order of the Lion and other similar Ethiopian order of merits. You might want to participate in the deletion review. FuzzyMagma (talk) 07:21, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Talk:Amhara genocide#Requested move 13 January 2023 may be of interest to people on this WikiProject. Boud (talk) 10:35, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethiopia/Climate and environment has been nominated for deletion at MFD. That department doesn't seem to have many members or watchers, so I'm notifying the project as a whole. Glades12 (talk) 13:10, 19 January 2023 (UTC)

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No action is required if your wikiproject follows the standard assessment approach. Over time, quality assessments will be migrated up to {{WikiProject banner shell}}, and your project banner will automatically "inherit" any changes to the general assessments for the purpose of assigning categories.

However, if your project has decided to "opt out" and follow a non-standard quality assessment approach, all you have to do is modify your wikiproject banner template to pass {{WPBannerMeta}} a new |QUALITY_CRITERIA=custom parameter. If this is done, changes to the general quality assessment will be ignored, and your project-level assessment will be displayed and used to create categories, as at present. Aymatth2 (talk) 19:59, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

The pages about the 1974 coup against Haile Selassie, and topics related to it, are of very poor quality. Many include grammatical errors, overreliance on a handful of sources, and are largely the work of a single, now banned user. These include:

- Opposition to Haile Selassie

- Ethiopian Revolution

- 1974 Ethiopian coup d'état

- 1958–1975 Wollo–Tigray famine

- Peasant revolution in Ethiopia

These pages clearly don't meet wikipedia's standards. They either need a lot of work to improve them, or they should be removed, and anything worthwhile merged into other articles. Jogarz1921 (talk) 03:10, 16 April 2023 (UTC)

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:List of calendar of saints in the Orthodox Tewahedo. Gyrofrog (talk) 19:38, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Hi everyone, I'm the guy who some 15 or so years ago originally created many of the articles on administrative subdivisions in Ethiopia, & have been away for the most part for the last 10 years. Now I'll state here that many of these articles were little more than starts, containing some demographic information, a bit of geographic information based on the current maps, & maybe a few other details I managed to scrape from the sources I had. So I must say that I'm impressed with how some of these articles have matured & are useful & full of information. I hope the people who improved them are proud of their work, because they deserve to be. Much of the time I simply could not find much about some of the various places, which frustrated me. Times have changed, & there's a lot more on the Internet (& in printed sources available outside of Africa) about Ethiopia.

On the other hand, I can see that not everyone liked my choices -- but that's okay, since at the time I was simply copying from the printed documents in front of me: sometimes the document was out of date, or used an obsolete style of transliteration, or just wasn't the best. I used what I had, crossed my fingers & hoped for the best. And accept that some of the choices were simply wrong.

I need to point out that there is a process for changing the names of articles. What one has to do is to go to the specific tab in the browser, click on it & type in the new name -- hopefully after one has posted their intent to change the name, with the reason for it. (It's actually a good idea to provide some kind of persuasive argument for the change.) The process is not to do things like change the names in the links or create an article with the new name & cut-n-paste the text into that. Doing either of those breaks links thus impairing the usefulness of Wikipedia.

I don't know if posting this information here will prevent these well-intended but harmful edits, but one has to at least try. Thanks for reading. -- llywrch (talk) 22:54, 26 May 2023 (UTC)

How could i join? I have yet to be invited but I'm very interested in joining Thanks! THEREALhistoryandgames (talk) 16:12, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

There's nothing formal, just add yourself here: Wikipedia:WikiProject Ethiopia/Members. Welcome! -- Gyrofrog (talk) 20:16, 22 July 2023 (UTC)

thanks! THEREALhistoryandgames (talk) 17:07, 24 July 2023 (UTC)

Articles which may be of interest to members of this project—Ethiopian Civil War and Fall of the Derg—have been proposed for merging. If you are interested, please participate in the merger discussion. Thank you. XTheBedrockX (talk) 16:20, 5 September 2023 (UTC)

Formal request has been received to merge: Legislature of the Ethiopian Empire and Imperial Parliament of Ethiopia into Government of the Ethiopian Empire; dated: September 2023. Proposer's Rationale: These articles are about the same subject. ~Cheney123. Additional input requested. GenQuest ^"scribble" 16:28, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

An editor has requested that Tigray be moved to Tigray (disambiguation), which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. XTheBedrockX (talk) 17:37, 30 September 2023 (UTC)

 You are invited to join the discussion at Wikipedia:Help desk § Tabot image. Gyrofrog (talk) 17:43, 31 January 2024 (UTC)

Tabot, which is within the scope of this WikiProject, has an RfC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. Gyrofrog (talk) 00:51, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

 Hello! Just to communicate that there is a major revision going on the Architecture of Ethiopia page by an user that seems convinced that every stone building in Ethiopia must have been built by Arabs, most sources he uses are from the Colonial period. Anyone here with knowledge on the subject that can check if anything he writes holds any water? I am not knowledgeable enough to question him on it. Herrikez (talk) 18:05, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

Starting this July, we will see a new contest on the scene - the Developing Countries WikiContest (WP:DCWC)! Think of it as a WikiCup but only for articles and media on developing countries.

Competitors may submit GAs, GTs, FAs, FTs, FLs, FPs, and DYK and ITN entries from/on developing countries to gain points and proceed to further rounds. Points are also awarded to those who review GAs, FAs and FLs.

Ethiopia is listed as a least-developed country for the purposes of this contest, which means Ethiopia-related submissions to the contest will get a multiplier in points. I encourage everyone here to sign up and compete with editors from around the world to create high-quality content!

Append your name to the DCWC signup page today!

Best wishes, Wilhelm Tell DCCXLVI (^{talk to me!}/_{my edits}) 15:04, 18 May 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Bale Province, Ethiopia#Requested move 12 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Safari Scribe^{Edits! Talk!} 19:23, 21 June 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:BRICS#Requested move 23 June 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Web-julio (talk) 01:26, 24 June 2024 (UTC)

Would people be interested in joining a wikiproject on improving and creating articles about oral tradition? Wikipedia's coverage on this appears to be very poor Kowal2701 (talk) 19:13, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Haile Selassie has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 16:37, 6 November 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Addi Arkay (woreda)#Requested move 9 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Feeglgeef (talk) 19:37, 9 December 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Makhzumi dynasty#Requested move 2 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 02:41, 10 December 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Italian Ethiopia#Requested move 27 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. FuzzyMagma (talk) 10:01, 28 December 2024 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Italian Ethiopia#Requested move 27 December 2024 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. —usernamekiran (talk) 04:00, 4 January 2025 (UTC)

Aksumite currency has been nominated for a good article reassessment. If you are interested in the discussion, please participate by adding your comments to the reassessment page. If concerns are not addressed during the review period, the good article status may be removed from the article. Z1720 (talk) 04:17, 16 February 2025 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Occupied Enemy Territory Administration (Ethiopia)#Requested move 28 March 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. TarnishedPath^talk 00:07, 5 April 2025 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:Ethiopian Revolution#Requested move 31 March 2025 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. ASUKITE 19:45, 15 April 2025 (UTC)

An editor has requested that Sabaean colonization of Africa be moved to another page, which may be of interest to this WikiProject. You are invited to participate in the move discussion. Kowal2701 (talk) 23:51, 18 April 2025 (UTC)

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:2024 Amhara offensive#Rename to Amhara offensive (2024-present?) that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject. Valorrr ^{(lets chat)} 16:23, 21 April 2025 (UTC)

He appears to be a very notable Ethiopian scientist, but I cannot find details and sources for information added by a prior editor to Legesse Wolde. Yes, that was a duplicate which I have just merged. Ldm1954 (talk) 16:36, 16 June 2025 (UTC)