Draft:Eternal Returns
Indian metal band
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Response: WP:GNG and WP:AUTHOR are met. The latter should extend to creators of artistic works in general.Viljowf (talk) 09:56, 27 June 2025 (UTC)
Submission declined on 8 November 2025 by ChrysGalley (talk).
Where to get help
How to improve a draft
You can also browse Wikipedia:Featured articles and Wikipedia:Good articles to find examples of Wikipedia's best writing on topics similar to your proposed article. Improving your odds of a speedy review To improve your odds of a faster review, tag your draft with relevant WikiProject tags using the button below. This will let reviewers know a new draft has been submitted in their area of interest. For instance, if you wrote about a female astronomer, you would want to add the Biography, Astronomy, and Women scientists tags. Editor resources
|  |
| Submission declined on 18 July 2025 by RangersRus (talk). This draft's references do not show that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion for music. The draft requires either:
Declined by RangersRus 8 months ago.
or multiple published secondary sources that:
Please add references that meet these criteria. If none exist, the subject is not yet suitable for Wikipedia. It is often easier to prove the notability of an album or artist than an individual song or band member. If the subject is not yet notable, consider improving a relevant existing article instead. | |
| Submission declined on 29 June 2025 by Vanilla Wizard (talk). This draft's references do not show that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion. The draft requires multiple published secondary sources that:
Declined by Vanilla Wizard 8 months ago.
| |
| Submission declined on 24 June 2025 by Gheus (talk). This draft's references do not show that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion. The draft requires multiple published secondary sources that:
Declined by Gheus 8 months ago.
| |
| Submission declined on 15 June 2025 by WikiMentor01 (talk). This draft's references do not show that the subject meets Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion for organizations and companies. The draft requires multiple published secondary sources that:
Declined by WikiMentor01 9 months ago.
| |
| Submission declined on 30 May 2025 by Gheus (talk). This draft is not written from a neutral point of view. Wikipedia articles must be written neutrally in a formal, impersonal, and dispassionate way. They should not read like a blog post, advertisement, or fan page. Rewrite the draft to remove:
This draft appears to be generated by a large language model (such as ChatGPT). You should not use LLMs to write articles from scratch.
Declined by Gheus 9 months ago.LLM-generated pages with the below issues may be deleted without notice. These tools are prone to specific issues that violate our policies:
Instead, only summarize in your own words a range of independent, reliable, published sources that discuss the subject. See the advice page on large language models for more information. | |
Comment: I think we are still stuck on the Rolling Stone piece. I can see half a dozen new references have been added, but none of them approach RS in terms of reliability. Many of the new items share the same wording, presumably off a press release, which isn't unusual but it's unhelpful in terms of WP:BAND which remains a hurdle here. It is less about the quantity of references and lot about the quality of them. It may be that WP:TOOSOON applies, but if there was a reasonable review in Kerrang! or NME or or Brooklyn Vegan or USA Rolling Stone or similar then that will change the dial, and will presumably happen at some point.As a more minor aside, I am a bit concerned about some of the referencing. Was it LLM generated? The reason being that for example one German reference was down as Michael Lesedauer, and Lesedauer in German fairly obviously means "reading time", when his actual surname is allegedly "E.". In other words the writer (shown as editor) isn't prepared to commit their real surname to scrutiny even after 1,009 contributions to that website. Even a brief look at the source would have shown the article has a 3 minute reading time (https://time-for-metal.eu/eternal-returns-let-there-be-sin/). I've corrected and Waybacked it as a courtesy, but this is an editor's job to check sources carefully, and it didn't give me much confidence that I was dealing with a reliable source. ChrysGalley (talk) 12:04, 8 November 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: The band doesn't seem to be listed in Discogs or MusicBrainz. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 04:31, 7 September 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: I looked again at the sources 1,2,3,7,8,9,5,11,12. Of these only 9 is an actual review from reliable source Rolling Stone India. 2 and 5 alsostood out as review from rockthebestmusic.com by same author David Galeote but is it reliable source and is the author an actual critic who has written for well known magazines like Rolling Stone? No. The website itself is not reliable that is owned by an individual named Ángel Ferrer Samatán who says A music lover since before I was born, I enjoy translating songs and poetry. I love writing. I'm a perpetual learner and I absorb almost every musical style, but I melt when I hear good alternative rock.Other sources are Marketing and Promotional such as New Noise Magazine that is also likely unreliable since they get paid for advertising. The link you have clearly shows at the end that the author has given a link to the buy the album and promoting to follow the band. Don't be a poser, buy Reprieved To Totality here. Follow the band on Facebook here. Real critics do not do that.So far you have one good review by Rolling Stone India but you need multiple like these. RangersRus (talk) 12:38, 22 July 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: No alterations have been made to the page since the last decline. Reviewing the author's comments, I don't believe WP:AUTHOR is met. They're correct to point out it applies to all creative works (it's also known as WP:CREATIVE), but it has not been established that their works are sufficiently significant. Vanilla Wizard 💙 21:40, 29 June 2025 (UTC)
- Comment: I think WP:BAND is not met. Reprieved to Totality EP is definitely notable so I suggest to submit a draft about it instead. Gheus (talk) 20:15, 24 June 2025 (UTC)
Response: With the first reviews of their second album with a reputable label, the band now meets WP:BAND.
Response: More reviews of the second album to support notability in terms of WP:BAND. New Noise Magazine is listed in the approved list of reliable music sources.Viljowf (talk) 05:46, 5 September 2025 (UTC)
Response: Profiles are not complete but, https://www.discogs.com/release/34509304-Eternal-Returns-Hunchback-Hatred?srsltid=AfmBOooSCNBHJk5LQ7VzZPK-3pDda4VgaoZHG2PHXtyORRuRflxF2ukT
https://musicbrainz.org/artist/5d5d830a-40b6-42aa-af17-d5c81f2226ee Viljowf (talk) 07:28, 13 September 2025 (UTC)
Eternal Returns | |
|---|---|
 | |
| Background information | |
| Origin | Thane, Maharashtra, India |
| Genres | Metalcore, deathcore, symphonic black metal |
| Years active | 2010–present |
| Labels | Wormholedeath Records, Brutal Records (USA) |
| Members | Narendra Patel: vocals; lyrics Harsh Makwana: guitar; composer Shankul Chavan: guitar; vocals; sound engineer; producer Niveditha ode Linda: drums |
| Past members | Viktor Lytvynov Pawan Sharma J Johnson |
Eternal Returns is an Indian metal band from Thane, Maharashtra.[1][2] Active since 2010, the band has released two records and toured Eastern Europe in 2025. Their single "Siege Sombre" was nominated for Best Metal Track at the 2025 Radio City Freedom Awards.[3]
History
Eternal Returns was formed in 2009 in Thane, Maharashtra, by vocalist Narendra Patel, drummer Pawan Sharma, bassist Harsh Makwana, and guitarist J Johnson.[4] According to the band, their name is derived from a concept in Indian cosmology, reflecting the themes of cyclical time, death, and rebirth that appear throughout their lyrics.[4][5] Rohit Lall has named Eternal Returns as one of six metal bands shaping the Indian underground scene.[6]
In early 2020, Eternal Returns began recording their debut EP, Reprieved to Totality. The COVID-19 lockdown interrupted their studio work after recording one track. The band adapted by learning home recording techniques and completed the EP from individual home studios in Mumbai and Thane.[7] The EP included a guest appearance by Kevin Paradis, drummer of French death metal band Benighted, on the track "Salamander the Sorcerer".[8] New Noise Magazine described the EP as highly aggressive and a "wrecking ball of pure madness".[9] Rolling Stone India gave the EP ★★★½ and noted that the band's "brutality".[10] Decibel described the release as "vital" and "brilliant".[8]
Following the death of their original drummer, Pawan Sharma, during the pandemic, Eternal Returns sought a new collaborator and connected with Ukrainian drummer Viktor Lytvynov via Instagram in 2023. Despite the challenges posed by the ongoing conflict in Ukraine, Lytvynov recorded drum tracks for the band's album Hunchback Hatred from his home studio in Sumy. Hunchback Hatred was released in December 2023 through the Italian label Wormholedeath Records.[11]
In 2024, Eternal Returns signed with the American label Brutal Records.[12] Let there be sin - a concept album - was released on 5 September 2025 with tracks named after the seven deadly sins.[13] A reviewer for powermetal.de described the album as experimental and as "modern metal of the highest class", scoring it 8.5/10. Reviewers have als commented on the band's role within the relatively small Indian metal scene.[5][14][15] Time for metal scored the album 7.5/10, also accentuating the band's risk-taking approach, describing the album as a "wild ride".[16] According to an Austrian metal magazine, the album shows influences from Machine Head, Slipknot, and Korn and subtle references to traditional Indian music.[17] Niveditha ode Linda joined the band as drummer in 2025.[18]
or multiple published secondary sources that:
Please add references that meet these criteria. If none exist, the subject is not yet suitable for Wikipedia.
It is often easier to prove the notability of an album or artist than an individual song or band member. If the subject is not yet notable, consider improving a relevant existing article instead.