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Comments

I dont believe this is an apple protocol.

See USPTO Patent 7,734,256 . Also see Prior Art http://www.sonystyle.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/SearchCatalog?storeId=10151&langId=-1&catalogId=10551&in_dim_search=&keyword=airplay&x=0&y=0 This most likely licensed at best

Ad

I added the advert tag because a lot of the text looks like it was just copied directly from Apple's own site. The article should be rewritten to remove all of that. --Pyro|3d 23:56, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

AirPort Express info

AirPort Express Private Key discovered

Needs a table

Pricing

Playing files, or playing sounds?

Split the "Third-party software implementations" table?

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: No consensus that either of the suggested options will be clearer. As noted, hat notes are already present to distinguish these two articles. Cúchullain ^t/c 15:14, 5 June 2013 (UTC)

AirPlay → Apple AirPlayApple AirPlay – There are currently Airplay and AirPlay articles. These different articles have very similar names, so I suggest adding "Apple" to avoid confusion. 1292simon (talk) 00:15, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

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Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

Oppose. Hatnotes are fine for this, though they could stand to be less ambiguous than they are now. I think I'll go ahead and WP:BOLDly edit them. Ignatz mice•talk Today, 23:13 (UTC−4) Comment moved here from WP:RM. Silly me. Ignatz mice•talk 03:20, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

Support – we usually try to avoid disambig by caps alone. Dicklyon (talk) 04:30, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Support per nom and talk:airplay -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 06:08, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Seems logical to use WP:NATURAL disambiguation to supplement the capitalization-based disambiguation. Red Slash 19:34, 18 May 2013 (UTC)
Oppose. Titles should not be changed for disambiguation purposes, unless it includes adding something in parenthesis. Article titles need to follow WP:COMMONNAME. Apple refers to the product simply as "AirPlay" on its site and most other sources refer to it as such or call it "Apple's Airplay" (implying that it is made by Apple, but Apple's name is not actually part of the title). This is unlike products such as Apple TV, which actually have Apple's name in the title. If this needs to be changed for disambiguation purposes, it should be something like AirPlay (Apple Inc.) or AirPlay (software). –Dream out loud (talk) 03:00, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
- How is that any different from various car articles where it is "Company Model" as the title? That would be natural disambiguation, whereas the parenthetical disambiguation is a Wikipedia construct. -- 65.94.76.126 (talk) 04:37, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
  - One possibility could be that the company names may be part of the title of the product which would not be the case here. Obvisouly if the reason that we inlcude company names for cars is due to that reason it would be irrelevant to this discussion since the reason for inclusion would have nothing to do with natural disambiguation.--174.95.111.89 (talk) 06:19, 19 May 2013 (UTC)
Oppose – Per WP:COMMONNAME as argued by User:Dream out loud. The title proposed above is Apple AirPlay but WP:NATURAL recommends that we don't use made-up names. The phrase 'Apple AirPlay' doesn't appear to be in general use. ~~Like Dream out loud I agree that AirPlay (software) is a better option. Per Dicklyon I dislike using caps for disambiguation; it seems like a last resort when there is nothing better.~~ EdJohnston (talk) 14:24, 26 May 2013 (UTC). Updated my comment. The name AirPlay (software) is an example of partial disambiguation and that topic risks getting into unneeded controversy. EdJohnston (talk) 23:10, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Comment: Thanks for the suggestions of AirPlay (Apple Inc.) and AirPlay (software). I am also happy with either of these. 1292simon (talk) 23:01, 26 May 2013 (UTC)
~~Strong~~ support - Obviously, common or not, a mere spelling distinction is not enough, especially for computer keyboard users. Also, anybody would presume any other company besides Apple. Unlike GameCube, "AirPlay" is still... ambiguous to me. --George Ho (talk) 19:15, 30 May 2013 (UTC)
- By support do you mean the original suggestion of Apple AirPlay or the new suggestion of AirPlay (software). If it is the first, it won't work since WP:NATURAL does not permit creating names and there is no evidence that Apple is part of the product name (Several people have in fact said that it is not).-174.95.111.89 (talk) 04:46, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
  - I guess either one is fine... *sigh* --George Ho (talk) 04:52, 31 May 2013 (UTC)
Question: It seems there is consensus for AirPlay (software). How do we get this renamed now? (I assume I am unable, due to conflict of interest?) 1292simon (talk) 04:13, 2 June 2013 (UTC)
- At best you might argue that if you ignore policy/guidelines there appears to be WP:LOCALCONSENSUS for this move, but since it's contrary to community consensus as reflected in policy/guidelines, I strongly disagree with the claim there is WP:CONSENSUS for such a move that would result in the plain name AirPlay redirecting to the disambiguated AirPlay (software). --B2C 17:59, 3 June 2013 (UTC)
Strong oppose. The current title meets WP:COMMONNAME, WP:CRITERIA and requires no disambiguation (a move to AirPlay (software) would be unnecessary disambiguation). The topic of this article is the only use of this term with the P capitalized. Distinction by capitalization might be non-optimal in some or even most cases, but here it works quite well. The hatnote at Airplay gets users to this article regardless of what this article's title is. Once you're here, regardless of how you get here, the capital P in the title makes the topic easily identifiable. --B2C 17:55, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Support disambiguation by camel-case seems rather insufficient.--Labattblueboy (talk) 22:41, 3 June 2013 (UTC)

Discussion

Any additional comments:

Is appale actually part of the name becuse if not it can't be used since that would be a case of Wikipedia creating a name? If Apple is not part of the name it will need to be AirPlay (insert something here).--174.95.111.89 (talk) 13:46, 18 May 2013 (UTC)

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