Talk:Arain

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Change Furthemore to Furthermore WannabePale (talk) 20:27, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

 Done Nubzor [T][C] 20:31, 23 September 2025 (UTC)

@Metamentalist the religion section and the RS both support that a minority of Arain is indeed non-Muslim. The present lede of Arain being predominantly Muslims with a small population following other religions was fine. Sutyarashi (talk) 11:07, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

@Metamentalist please stop indulging in WP:OR and use talk page instead. Unless you can provide source that Arain are today 100% Muslims, the present lede is to stay. Sutyarashi (talk) 12:47, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

As I said, the latest census had shown 99.91% Muslim more than 100 years ago and it was an evolving curve (from 99.56% a few decades before).

No group is ever 100% anything but is the statistical noise (0.09 *at best*, accepting it didn’t evolve negatively in a century) worth a mention ? Why not mention Buddhism and Christianity as well if we find such individuals here and there ?

And as I said the other big factor is that the only Western academic who specializes in Arain history (Ashish Koul) has whole papers on their distinct Islamic *self*-identity (they’re not like other groups of Punjab such as Rajputs, Jats, … with well acknowledged history of religious pluralism.)

So please do reconsider your decision. Metamentalist (talk) 13:04, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

This is OR. See original research. Which papers Ashish Kaul have on Arain?

As for later part, yes if you have reliable sources that Arain practice Buddhism you can add them. Sutyarashi (talk) 13:13, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

Here, quoted in the Religion subsection : "the colonial Arains were a distinctive Muslim community with innately Islamic attributes"

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/19472498.2016.1260348

My reference to Buddhism or Christianity was to convey how *individuals* don't define a *group* identity, for example if you find 100 000s of ethnic French converts to Islam (in % higher than Jainism, etc among Arains) *yet* no one would precise Islam for ethnic French as it's not their "traditional" religion, so to speak. Metamentalist (talk) 14:00, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

You're misrepresenting the source. The author is not claiming the Arain to be distinctive Muslim community with innately Islamic attributes, but that "Salim al-tavarikh", a 1919 genealogical text, portrayed the community to be so. As for your parallels with French, I'm not sure I'm getting your point since the article on French people does not state them to be "traditionally Christian". Sutyarashi (talk) 14:22, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

I think I'm grasping your argument now, so I will just precise the numbers but keep the main idea of religious diversity. Metamentalist (talk) 14:55, 31 December 2025 (UTC)

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add CM Latif, Admiral HMS Choudri, President Chaudhry Muhammad Ali, Chief of Naval Staff Afzal Tahir ~2026-15026-99 (talk) 23:07, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

 Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want made.RegentsPark (comment) 23:18, 8 March 2026 (UTC)