Talk:Comparison of server-side web frameworks

I think in the Java section the table listing Java frameworks does not accurately reflect reality. The confusion centers around JSF and is two-fold:

• JSF itself is not a software product, but a specification for such a product. The license column therefor doesn't make a lot of sense and the version number is not exactly the same as the version number for the other listed frameworks. The two actual implementations (Oracle Mojarra and Apache MyFaces) have real licenses and version numbers more in line with other entries.
• The table lists several entries that by themselves are not frameworks, but component libraries and/or extensions for JSF. This is in particularly true for the entry "icefaces".

I'm not entirely sure how to best resolve this. One option would be to add a sub-section of Java called "JSF" with entries like icefaces, richfaces, oracle adf, and implementations mojarra and myfaces.

Arjant (talk)

Some discussion on the Web Server requiremenets for PHP frameworks would be very useful. For example, CakePHP seems to be most happy on Apache with mod_rewrite and very difficult to run on IIS. Most frustrating for folks who are stuck with a hosted IIS service. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.98.211.178 (talk) 18:51, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

List of content management frameworks has some PHP Frameworks that are not on this article's list. --AlastairIrvine (talk) 07:03, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Also regarding PHP Frameworks: Someone seems to be deleting PHP frameworks big style, although its different usernames it is always the same (wrong) reason on delete pages: "Did a search: found no books/only books of the developers and almost nothing else". This is wrong for at least: DooPHP, Lavarel, Kohana. Those all are quite good frameworks that should be in the list and already were in wikipedia once but have been removed. For me that looks quite a bit as if someone tries to eliminate competition. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 46.235.114.9 (talk) 08:02, 5 March 2013 (UTC)

Need to add the Laravel PHP framework. It's up to version 4 and becoming more popular. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.92.223.14 (talk) 18:26, 19 September 2013 (UTC)

HybridJava — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlexSerov2 (talk • contribs) 06:18, 4 July 2011 (UTC)

Candidate for inclusion in open source PHP - http://symphony-cms.com/ --Thistledowne (talk) 18:49, 14 November 2011 (UTC)

Symphony is a CMS. not a web application framework. Symfony is however already listed. Greenman (talk) 07:52, 30 January 2012 (UTC)

This is the list of Haskell web frameworks. Three of them (Happstack, Snap, Yesod) have feature tables. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bogdan.kulynych (talk • contribs) 10:04, 16 September 2012 (UTC)

Should the entries for ExtJs and Helma be removed? They don't have their own article. 62.1.246.84 (talk) 17:51, 19 September 2012 (UTC)

webpy — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruralcoder (talk • contribs) 04:42, 29 April 2013 (UTC)

Real Studio has offered a web framework for development of web based applications since 2011. Is this something that should be added here?

More info: http://www.realsoftware.com/web/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.193.111.212 (talk) 10:14, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Should the TechEmpower Framework Benchmarks be included here somewhere? Seems like they cover the performance of different frameworks pretty well? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.203.70.66 (talk) 22:24, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

didn't see reference to Apache Tomcat. Shjacks45 (talk) 19:06, 14 June 2013 (UTC)

To my mind, all comparison criteria are not very clear. For example, what does "security framework" stand for? It would be really better to add a clear definition of each point. Dduuhh (talk) 17:04, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

There are several new Lua based web frameworks that are more relevant than Kepler nowadays. Kepler is actually discontinued and pretty old!

Take a look at http://lua-users.org/wiki/LibrariesAndBindings for more info.

DevelCuy (talk) 06:08, 28 July 2014 (UTC)

I tried adding Lapis, a modern and maintained Lua framework to the list and it was immediately removed because some doofus wants it to link to a wikipedia article, despite my linking to the main page. (2020-04-25) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.87.150 (talk) 05:59, 25 April 2020 (UTC)

It's included in the table 2:7. I know enough to notice this but not enough to fix it. Thank you! Thinkadoodle (talk) 18:22, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

I added some popular web frameworks for Golang. Is it worth redlinking them? They seem to have some traction, but I don't know if they're widely used enough to merit individual articles. fi (talk) 06:53, 28 February 2015 (UTC)

My addition of Sails.js to the list of JavaScript frameworks was removed with the comment "remove entry without article". As a member of the Sails.js core team, I understand that it's not my place to write the actual Wikipedia entry about Sails. But I don't see why having a reference without an article would be a bad thing--wouldn't it encourage someone else to write the entry?

Sgress454 (talk) 05:44, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a list of *everything*, and list articles are under significant pressure for inclusion of items contributed under conflict of interest. Inclusion in a list article still requires reasonable notability being demonstrated by reliable third party sources. You may be able to turn the tide by providing such relevant links or citations. Samsara 07:46, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

A possibly notable addition: Phoenix Framework . Probably best to wait until it has its own Wikipedia page though. --Epitectus (talk) 19:40, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

I’ve added Phoenix to the list, since it’s a special framework with growing attention. Maybe someone can start a Wikipedia page for Phoenix – that would be great! Bingobingolotto (talk) 17:15, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

The framework actually has a small-ish article already (created a few weeks ago). I have linked it in the table - usually Wikipedia articles (and lists) do not contain external links in their main body (see WP:EL for more details). No opinion on the "notability" aspect, but of course more sources are always welcome. GermanJoe (talk) 17:22, 21 July 2018 (UTC)

Thanks! A quite famous podcasting environment will be developed in Elixir/Phoenix in the future. https://github.com/podlove/ Bingobingolotto (talk) 14:54, 22 July 2018 (UTC)