Talk:European army

Does the European Armed Forces exist or is the European army a policy proposal? 14:45, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

These accusations you make are serious and damaging. There's no political campaign, no ulterior motive. You simply don't read the European Union documents, because the source links are from the European Union. It's clearly written that a unified army like the Chinese or American one doesn't exist in the treaties or in practice. This doesn't mean that an army constituted by the member states of the European Union doesn't exist, both in the treaties and in practice, that is, that they are interoperable with each other, that have shared and continue to share common operations under NATO supervision or control. If, on the other hand, your expectations are to see a unified army under the control of the European Union, I think you'll be disappointed for a long time, if not forever. As I've included the link to the official European Union document on the interoperability of European armed forces, Why does this scare or alarm you? The European Army is de facto made up of the armies of the Union's member states under NATO command and control. And if you read the documents carefully, you'll see exactly what I've said. But you won't find any document stating that the European army is a unified army of the European Union like the Chinese, American, or Indian ones. The article clearly states that defense is the exclusive responsibility of individual member states, but I don't want to repeat myself. Perhaps you haven't fully understood the texts and what's written in the article. Dorian88A (talk) 14:45, 7 October 2025 (UTC)

Strong Oppose: According to your own words: "doesn't mean that an army constituted by the member states of the European Union doesn't exist, both in the treaties and in practice, that is, that they are interoperable with each other, that have shared and continue to share common operations under NATO supervision or control". So they are not under EU control but under the control of the member states and NATO and therefore not a unified EU armed forces. A European army is a proposed concept of "a unified army under the control of the European Union" so it doesn't exist. If it doesn't exist, don't write about it as if it does. There's a big difference between writing about a unified "European Armed Forces" as if it does does exist and talking about European armed forces in general. If I "won't find any document stating that the European army is a unified army of the European Union", then it doesn't yet exist. If "defense is the exclusive responsibility of individual member states", it is not a unified European army because the competency belongs to the individual member states and not the EU as an entity even if the member states have mutual defence arrangements across multiple levels. Simglish (talk) 00:19, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

You're just making confusion, the armies are under the coordination of the EU through the Common Security and Defence Policy (European Defence Union). Your assertion that a unified army is exclusive cannot limit the article's structure. This article only mentions a unified army. This is absurd, and contradicts the reality that where European armies cooperate, they are interoperable and, moreover, integrate into various industrial development plans for the defense sector. I'm moving the debate to the talk section of the page so anyone who wants to contribute can do so. Dorian88A (talk) 04:51, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

Furthermore, the documentary sources are all from the European Union; no newspapers or other sources have been included so as not to deviate from the official nature of the statements you persist in removing.--Dorian88A (talk) 04:59, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

Part of it is here:

^[1][2][3][4] Dorian88A (talk) 05:02, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

This official source is also cited in the article:

EUMC

European Union Military Committee

https://www.eeas.europa.eu/eeas/eumc_en Dorian88A (talk) 05:07, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

Finally, the allocation of the European defense budget. (with an explanatory video)

https://commission.europa.eu/topics/defence/future-european-defence_en Dorian88A (talk) 05:11, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

Currently nonexistent There isn’t even an active unified command structure similar to SHAPE. RadioactiveBoulevardier (talk) 18:20, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

It doesn't exist an "European Army" as an unified force like "United States Armed Forces".

There has been proposals for this and this is a "Notable" topic.

The article "European Army" has inacurracies. For example , there are not a "European Army" constituted of each national armies. The article "European Army" needs at least a rewriting.

I think that some parts could be transfered to "Defence forces of the European Union". Anatole-berthe (talk) 21:20, 6 February 2026 (UTC)

I am still opposing but I have converted this discussion into a Request for Comment. Please do not remove the notices at the top of the article until the Request for Comment is over as they indicate to the reader that the article may have misinformation, regardless to whether there is or not. It is ultimately up to the reader whether misinformation exists but the notice stays as a warning and should be removed by an uninvolved editor and not you. Simglish (talk) 10:12, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

Please note that I have contributed to above contributor's bias in this article by replacing the fake EU army shield previously in the infobox with the current one. Simglish (talk) 10:21, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

@Dorian88A: can you specify the brief question this RFC concerns in a brief and neutral manner? Also there doesn't appear to have been a previous discussion to justify this RFC, could you link to one? ―Howard • 🌽³³ 15:10, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

I'm not @Dorian88A but a brief and neutral question could be "Does the European Armed Forces exist or is the European army a policy proposal?". The previous discussion is identical to the one on this talk page with earlier replies on my edit summaries. Simglish (talk) 15:27, 8 October 2025 (UTC)

Comment (Summoned by bot) this is highly irregular, borderline waste of everyone's time. There is no clear, neutrally phrased, question, seemingly little or no prior discussion. But for what it is worth, there is no such thing as a European army, navy, or air force. The fact that almost all European countries cooperate in various regional and pan-European groupings (inc NATO), does not mean that there is an integrated army under some notional central European control. A European force is a purely theoretical entity, favoured as an idea by some Europeans, anathema to others.Pincrete (talk) 04:13, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

I'm having a hard time dealing with @Dorian88A because they keep reverting the article to the current version. The infobox mentions the "European Armed Forces" at the top with the member states' armed forces as "service branches" and mentions that the "European Army is constituted by 26 armed forces of the countries' armies belonging to the European Union" or similar statements multiple times. To my knowledge, the European army is nothing more than a public policy proposal that many member states are aspiring towards. So far I've managed to replace the fake shield, military and conscription age but would prefer neither to be on the article since the European Armed Forces doesn't exist. I can't even add warning templates for readers at the top of the article or citation needed templates because every time I do, @Dorian88A keeps reverting it without a single edit summary. I'm new here so I don't know what to do but this feels like textbook POV-pushing, political advocacy using false information to force their interpretation of an "ideal" world and possibly even trolling. If you are experienced enough to know what to do, any help would be appreciated. Simglish (talk) 07:03, 9 October 2025 (UTC)

Some people persist in their theses without any support, unlike me, who attach exclusively European Union sources, very up-to-date on the topic, such as the following:

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2025/10/23/european-council-conclusions-on-european-defence-and-security/

And they persist in not reading them and ignoring them. Dorian88A (talk) 19:50, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

The Eurocorps part should also be updated.

https://www.eurocorps.org/about-us/a-force-for-the-eu-nato/

https://www.eurocorps.org/european-battle-group-2025/

https://www.eurocorps.org/eurocorps-change-of-command-2025/

https://www.eurocorps.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/02DEC_IRL-Rehearsal_portrait.jpg Dorian88A (talk) 19:54, 24 October 2025 (UTC)

https://www.eurocorps.org/wp-content/uploads/2025/10/2025_ECSG_047-004-210.jpg Dorian88A (talk) 19:59, 24 October 2025 (UTC)