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Q1: Why does the article use "Tagalog" instead of "Filipino"?
A1: During the discussion of § First Luv Language on 3 October 2025, there is a consensus to use First Luv as "Tagalog" because the majority of the reliable sources describe the song as "Tagalog" song. Wikipedia content is based on verifiability and reliable secondary sources, not editor preference. While some primary sources like ABS-CBN or ABS-CBN News referred to the song as "Filipino", Wikipedia gives a weight to independent reliable sources, which the predominantly use the "Tagalog" term in this article. Q2: Are there guidelines that require a "Filipino" or "Tagalog" song articles?
A2: No. There is no rule requiring all the songs be labeled specifically as "Filipino" or "Tagalog". Each article is decided by case by case, based on the reliable sources describing the song. While Wikipedia follows the General Notability Guideline (GNG) and Notability for Songs (NSONG) and Albums (NALBUMS) guideline determine whether a song merits an article, the language label itself is based on verifiability. If reliable sources describe a song as "Tagalog" or "Filipino", the article should follow the terminology used by those sources. |
 | First Luv is currently a Songs good article nominee. Nominated by ROY is WAR Talk! at 09:30, 17 December 2025 (UTC) An editor has placed this article on hold to allow improvements to be made to satisfy the good article criteria. Recommendations have been left on the review page, and editors have seven days to address these issues. Improvements made in this period will influence the reviewer's decision whether or not to list the article as a good article. Short description: 2025 single by Bini |
 | A fact from First Luv appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 23 November 2025 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows: A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2025/November. The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/First Luv (song). |  |
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 | On 2 October 2025, it was proposed that this article be moved from First Luv (song) to First Luv. The result of the discussion was moved. |
Music Video Storyline
The music video for BINI's "First Luv" begins in a grand, bright art gallery, highlighting a painting of 8 modern-day Cupids, dressed in pastel-pink, rococo-inspired outfits, which acts as a portal to Cupids HQ.
In a flashback to Cupids HQ, trainees Gwen, Sheena, Colet, and Maloi are given "Trainee" badges by their Cupid trainers—Stacey, Mikha, Jhoanna, and Aiah, respectively. In order to earn their Cupid wings badges, the trainees are tasked with their Cupid Mission: to "Seek Love in every Form." The "Love List" shows this mission involves four types of love: self-love, familial love, romantic love, and friendship. They seek these individuals, who need a gentle nudge to their "First Luv," at the art gallery. The trainees then undergo target-shooting exercises with use of bows and arrows to practice. Ready for the mission, they all switch to their pastel-pink, rococo-inspired outfits equipped with bows and arrows.
At the art gallery, they carry out their mission by shooting specialized arrows that awaken these different types of love. A queer person, portrayed by Esnyr Ranollo, is struck by the arrow of self-love which inspires them to embrace confidence and happiness, symbolically finding self-love and acceptance. A man is struck by the arrow of familial love prompting him to reconcile with his wife and their baby, restoring family harmony and highlighting the love within a family. Two females, portrayed by Filipino singer Klarisse De Guzman, and her real-life partner, Trina Rey, are struck by the arrow of romantic love giving them the courage to make a move, beautifully depicting a sweet moment of sapphic romance. A group of young men, portrayed by Star Magic Freshies Lance Lucido, Miguel Vergara, Marc Santiago, and Andrez Del Rosario, are struck by the arrow of friendship leading them to form platonic bonds and enjoy each other's company, emphasizing the importance of strong, supportive friendships.
Back at the Cupids HQ, following the success of their mission, the Cupid trainers present the trainees with their Cupid wings badges and congratulate them—finally becoming full-fledged Cupids.
In a post-credits scene, a Cupid is seen writing "F.L.A.M.E.S." on a scroll with the other Cupids cheering. Babyronii (talk) 15:56, 7 October 2025 (UTC)
- Synopsis is applicable on Films, Television only. See MOS:PLOT, MOS:FILMPLOT. ROY is WAR Talk! 00:11, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- A lot of songs here includes it so I thought it's fine. Babyronii (talk) 01:47, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- Most song articles here usually include only relatively short descriptions of the music video, focusing on aspects such as its production or other relevant details when appropriate. Plot summaries can also be added, but only if they are suitable and kept concise, not overly detailed, as your current version may give undue weight to that section (see WP:UNDUE). Additionally, your text may be seen as non-neutral (see WP:NPOV) and may come across as WP:FANCRUFT.
- I recommend checking out those linked guidelines to help you understand how to write in line with those guidelines. Hope this helps you as you continue learning how to edit here. Best regards, AstrooKai (Talk) 12:25, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
- A lot of songs here includes it so I thought it's fine. Babyronii (talk) 01:47, 8 October 2025 (UTC)
Nominator: Royiswariii (talk · contribs) 09:30, 17 December 2025 (UTC)
GA review
- This review is transcluded from Talk:First Luv/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.
Reviewer: MarioSoulTruthFan (talk · contribs) 02:15, 2 February 2026 (UTC)
Infobox
- Needs alt
Done
Lead
- "First Luv" is a song by the Filipino girl group Bini → "First Luv" is a song by the Filipino girl group Bini from their third studio album Flames (2025)
- It was released on October 2, 2025 through Star Music. → The track was released as the second single of the album on October 2, 2025 through Star Music.
- Written by Dwta → It was written by Dwta
- like "Blink Twice" and "Cherry on Top". → remove, too much detail
- It was directed by Jason Max and LGBTQ stars Esnyr and Klarisse De Guzman, among other actors → who directed this? Different from the Music Video section. They should be mentioned as LGBTQ stars
- Mention the Accolade and one or two from the Listicles
Done
Background and release
- Why so much background about "Shagidi"? There is no need for its charts. Keep the first sentence as well as the coachela info
- Blink Twice" and "Cherry on Top" → release dates in between brackets
- They also previewed the music video through an Instagram clip featured the members arranged on a staircase in a stylized, dreamlike setting → They also previewed the music video through an Instagram clip. It featured the members arranged on a staircase in a stylized, dreamlike setting
- Third sentence needs to be merged in one of the other paragraphs
- Wikilink Start Music
- Mention it was released as the second single with source. The way it reads sounds like a bunch of standalone single
Done
Composition and lyrics
- It is two minutes and fifty-six seconds long → remove it, necessary
- written by Dwta → It was written by Dwta
- Shan → Shan Pooviriyakul
- The second half incorporates a breakbeat instrumental as Mikha and Colet sing. → source?
- The comment of the critic can be a third paragraph
- First talk about the instrumental and then the lyrics, not the other way around
- Sample needs to be in accordance with Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music samples
Not done - Needs meaningful description that add to the article
Reception
- from critics → from music critics + wikilink to music journalism
- Flames → year of release in between brackets
- The VP Choice Awards and same with the Listicles goes with the second sentence (see below)
Done
Music video
- as previously seen in the song's concept photos. → source? Removed
- "this perhaps marks the first time that a mainstream [idol] group has unambiguously portrayed same-sex romance—particularly between two women—in an official single" → use your own words more often
- too close to the source, not enough paraphrased. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:29, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
Done
Charts
- Fine
Accolades
- Move accolades to Reception and eliminate the box
Done
Listicles
- Move Listicles to Reception on the second paragraph and delete the box
Done
Credits
- Move it below Music Video
Done
References
- Ref 4 → Billboard Philippines should be in Italic
- Apple Music is publisher
Done
Overall
- Let me know when you have addressed the issues. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:58, 2 February 2026 (UTC)
- Hi,MarioSoulTruthFan! I'll ping you once this is done. ROY is WAR Talk! 22:21, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
- No problem. I will wait MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:47, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
- Hey, MarioSoulTruthFan! I have a question on this:
Sample needs to be in accordance with Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music samples
, I checked it and it seems still qualified since it didn't exceed 30 seconds, did I missed out?Needs meaningful description that add to the article
- I assume that this is also the description of the music sample, right? ROY is WAR Talk! 04:09, 8 February 2026 (UTC)
- Yes has to be according to the songs length's. Its on the bottom MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 14:36, 8 February 2026 (UTC)
- Yes as well. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:56, 9 February 2026 (UTC)
- Hi, MarioSoulTruthFan! Can you check it if it's okay to you now? ROY is WAR Talk! 00:41, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
- I will do it during the course of the next days, ok? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:24, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
- Hi, MarioSoulTruthFan! Can you check it if it's okay to you now? ROY is WAR Talk! 00:41, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
- Hey, MarioSoulTruthFan! I have a question on this:
- No problem. I will wait MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:47, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
- Hi,MarioSoulTruthFan! I'll ping you once this is done. ROY is WAR Talk! 22:21, 4 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Royiswariii:You missed a couple of stuff. I left a tag next to the stuff you didn't addressed. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 20:40, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
- @Royiswariii: You are not missing a lot and I gave you a hand. Can you just address what is left? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:40, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
- i'm not the nominator nor am i one of the top editors, but i just went ahead and tried to fix the remaining issues. a bit confused about the musical sample thing. what else needs to be fixed? does the audio sample need to be shorter? ~2026-10002-49 (talk) 03:58, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
- MarioSoulTruthFan, I think it is done now. Please check again if I miss again. ROY is WAR Talk! 04:54, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
- @Royiswariii: There is still the sample issue. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:02, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
- can you please explain what the remaining issue with the sample is? is it length? ~2026-10002-49 (talk) 00:46, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
- Again is above? Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Music samples. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:54, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
- Yes the length its too large. Should be around 16/17 seconds. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:58, 13 March 2026 (UTC)
- can you please explain what the remaining issue with the sample is? is it length? ~2026-10002-49 (talk) 00:46, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
- @Royiswariii: There is still the sample issue. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 00:02, 8 March 2026 (UTC)
- @Royiswariii: You are not missing a lot and I gave you a hand. Can you just address what is left? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:40, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
Bini song language
Can I now change tagalog to filipino now since that other user vanished? And only put tagalog once sources say it's tagalog. It still looks nice if it's filipino and not tagalog. If I'm free to do so. Miamiwin (talk) 02:06, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
- I don't understand most of the language, so go ahead MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 17:53, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
- Miamiwin, please refer to the FAQ on this talk page, it is already discussed it. ROY is WAR Talk! 21:26, 6 March 2026 (UTC)
- The sources consistently refer to it as "Tagalog." Wikipedia is about accuracy, not about what "looks nice." It doesn't matter if "that other user" vanished because the decision to call it Tagalog is about accuracy and consistency, per editor consensus. ~2026-10002-49 (talk) 03:42, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
- Both can be accurate actually. Miamiwin (talk) 04:00, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
- Miamiwin, ~2026-10002-49: If you read the discussion, we agreed that it'll use "Tagalog" in all songs, not just in "First Luv". Also, Miamiwin, I'll revert all you edited as a "Filipino", just to let you know. ROY is WAR Talk! 04:17, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
- Filipino should have been the most agreed. It’s the national language. Should the national language be the priority? It’s called a Filipino song for a reason not Tagalog. Tagalog is just a small portion of the language. Miamiwin (talk) 04:23, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
- Miamiwin:
They're the same language. Please check the article for the "Filipino language". Even the KWF (Commission of the Filipino Language) considers them the same language. They are mutually intelligible and the whole "Filipino is based on Tagalog, but has added other languages and has diverged enough to be considered a different language" nonsense is purely theoretical.
per Bloomagiliw. There's also using "Tagalog" in SB19's "Gento", which is Featured article, the highest quality here in Wikipedia. Although, it seems bias, but that's our consensus which is to use "Tagalog" in all songs. ROY is WAR Talk! 04:39, 7 March 2026 (UTC)- Use Tagalog if the sources say so. Other articles say Filipino so it should use both depending on sources. Miamiwin (talk) 04:43, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
- Miamiwin:
- Filipino should have been the most agreed. It’s the national language. Should the national language be the priority? It’s called a Filipino song for a reason not Tagalog. Tagalog is just a small portion of the language. Miamiwin (talk) 04:23, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
- Miamiwin, ~2026-10002-49: If you read the discussion, we agreed that it'll use "Tagalog" in all songs, not just in "First Luv". Also, Miamiwin, I'll revert all you edited as a "Filipino", just to let you know. ROY is WAR Talk! 04:17, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
- Both can be accurate actually. Miamiwin (talk) 04:00, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
- You guys may want to take a look at Wikipedia talk:Tambayan Philippines/Task force Philippine Music/Archive 2#Clarification on listing "Filipino" vs. "Tagalog" as the language for Philippine musical works, let me know if you guys want to re-start another discussion at the task force so that we can finally put an end on this once and for all. Best regards, AstrooKai (Talk) 10:19, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
- This issue has been persisting since November 2025, and to be honest, I really want to get this solved by consensus as soon as possible. It's personally hard to believe that such light issue can persist this long. Best regards, AstrooKai (Talk) 10:20, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
- I agree. Although, I assume that the consensus is to use "Tagalog" in the future Philippine songs, however, I think it is need more clearer consensus. ROY is WAR Talk! 15:05, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
- This issue has been persisting since November 2025, and to be honest, I really want to get this solved by consensus as soon as possible. It's personally hard to believe that such light issue can persist this long. Best regards, AstrooKai (Talk) 10:20, 7 March 2026 (UTC)