@Garen67541: I'm not sure why you reverted my changes to this section. I don't think it made sense to have such a large philanthropy section based on a single source, and the reasoning you gave in your edit summary was simply that the source was reliable - which doesn't address the policy I linked, WP:DUE.
Also, a recent addition seems to give unproportional emphasis to a minor aspect of the overall topic. As I previously said in my edit summary - per WP:RSP with the Daily Dot, we should Consider whether content from this publication constitutes due weight before citing it in an article.
There's only a single source that you cited that isn't tabloid-like or entertainment-based that has reported on the insults Ethan said about the K-Pop fandom. I could maybe see this section differently if it was written a little more neutrally, including additional context like the twitter hashtag response by K-Pop fans. But your emphasis seems to be on keeping focus on the quote.
Other things sourced in the article have refs to mainstream media and news sources, so this seems more like a one-sentence controversy to me, or one that can be summarized without a quote. I don't see the need for an extended quote from Ethan, when we don't usually do that for articles unless there was widespread media coverage. Despite all of that, Ethan has said a number of things, including other controversial opinions - why include a quote to this one, which didn't get very much media attention?
Anyways, could we please have a discussion, per WP:BRD? I also want to let you know about the 3 Revert Rule on Wikipedia, in case you haven't heard of it before, which says someone can't revert more than 3 times within 24 hours on any one article. - Whisperjanes (talk) 21:09, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
Hi I think the quote is the most important part of the article and should be included, it is a controversial thing to say.
It is mentioned in the below two sources which are both confirmed sources on this page: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Perennial_sources
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[2] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Garen67541 (talk • contribs)
- @Garen67541: I wanted to explain my edit. There are obviously many reasons that content should be removed from an article. Rules are particularly stringent when writing a Biography of a living person. Using reliable sources becomes especially important so that information is correct. Using a generally reliable source from WP:RSP is basically the best way to go especially for controversial claims. This you have done. However there are other reasons for removing information even when it is reliably sourced. One those is mentioned next to The Daily Dot's entry at RSP: Consider whether content from this publication constitutes due weight before citing it in an article. Due weight basically it means that we should summarise the main points covered by reliable sources, and ensure we don't give undue weight (prose) to - as it relates to this case - minor aspects of its subject. Quoted from the policy:
For example, a description of isolated events, quotes, criticisms, or news reports related to one subject may be verifiable and impartial, but still disproportionate to their overall significance to the article topic.
In this case I viewed this as an isolated event, verifiable and (somewhat) impartial, but disproportionate to h3h3Productions and the Klein's overall significance. What didn't help was the citation to his youtube video as it is a WP:Primary source. Primary sources have may different reasons for not being used, one of them being that they require independent experts (journalists) to evaluate or interpret meaning beyond the obvious. And to support a controversial claim, secondary sources are required. Despite this, on reviewing my decision, I think that the two reliable sources that you provided above constitute due weight for an inclusion (albeit slim).
- If you ever question my edits or the edits of anyone on Wikipedia, use the talk page to discuss them. If you're ignored, then you can assume consensus for your preferred version. Therefore, anyone who disagrees with your assessment will likely join the discussion and you can convince them of your opinion. If you're not ignored, while I know your time on Wikipedia has taught you different, they might agree. I would be very willing to hear your opinion on the inclusion/exclusion of this material or other material on other pages.
- I also wanted to say that my favourite policies on Wikipedia surround the civilty of its editors (WP:5P4). One I'd like you to aquaint yourself with is assume good faith. Just as I will with you, it would be noble of you to assume that editors are here to improve the article. When you imply that I am a meat puppet, or disparage my edits without trying to discuss it with me, it doesn't promote a collaborative environment. I hope your time on Wikipedia is just begining because I'm afraid to say, there are a lot more problems on Wikipedia that need your help. Pabsoluterince (talk) 09:25, 19 January 2022 (UTC)