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Glizzy

If Tube Steak is okay for an alternative name, Glizzy should be as well. 184.148.58.23 (talk) 14:28, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

AbsoLUTELY not. Who’s even considered glizzy to mean a hot dog, excepting yourself? 50.39.254.254 (talk) 14:55, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
Unfortunately, a lot of people. It gained wider use on the internet circa 2020, but had been regional slang in NYC well before then. 67.242.156.25 (talk) 14:59, 10 April 2025 (UTC)
per wikt:glizzy, several :p ~.hecko (talk) 04:17, 2 May 2025 (UTC)
In person, I always call it a glizzy but online I always call it a hot dog. 3df (talk) 08:01, 11 September 2025 (UTC)

Texas

"Texas hot dogs are spicy variants found in upstate New York and Pennsylvania (and as "all the way dogs" in New Jersey), but not Texas." Texas absolutely does have chili dogs, they just aren't known as "Texas" hot dogs there. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.219.59.82 (talk) 17:59, 28 July 2024 (UTC)

I've never eaten American hot dogs, are they good? And where are they better? JacktheBrown (talk) 19:09, 22 June 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 30 June 2025

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. Closing this one early per WP:SNOW, given the unanimous opposition. (non-admin closure) ~~ Jessintime (talk) 18:16, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

Hot dog → hotdoghotdog – very common and i think it looks better Blockhaj (talk) 03:03, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

  • Oppose per Ngrams. The spaced version is more commonly used. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 05:17, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
    This holds up even if I add "bun" or "with mustard" to distinguish between the several meanings. Spaced is more common in ngrams. Jruderman (talk) 06:14, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
    But does the space really hold value here? It looks like an obsolete spelling, like writing "aero plane". No one would be confused by the removal of the space. Blockhaj (talk) 07:36, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
    If I understand correctly, there is a general trend toward removing spaces, but I'm pretty sure it has not become the common practice for this particular term (yet). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 07:50, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose per User:BarrelProof. JIP | Talk 06:58, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose "Hot dog" with the space is by far the most common spelling for a frankfurter on a bun. "Hotdog" most commonly refers to an athlete showing off or performing a stunt to get attention. Cullen328 (talk) 08:24, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
    The second one ive never heard of and neither does google. Blockhaj (talk) 08:29, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose. "very common and i think it looks better" is not a serious attempt at building a better encyclopedia. 162 etc. (talk) 09:29, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
    That is objectively wrong and very pejorative of you. See Wikiquette. We are supposed to cover common alternative names, including forms (see MOS:ALTNAME), and we are to keep Wikipedia visually appealing. We are also supposed to follow WP:POLA, thus, if i feel hotdog is POLA, which i do, that is a valid reason to start a discussion. Blockhaj (talk) 09:53, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
  • Oppose. I would like to see more of a general trend to remove the space, particularly by most reliable sources in the United States. The article's current version spends a lot of time discussing the food's history and culture in the United States, so we should also consider the WP:ENGVAR/WP:TIES/WP:RETAIN element here, and whether removing the space is becoming very prominent in American English. Zzyzx11 (talk) 14:23, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Hotdog

@162 etc.: see Ngrams. More than 20% are hotdog.--Blockhaj (talk) 09:37, 30 June 2025 (UTC)

I don't see a problem with adding "also spelled "hotdog"". I think just a reliable source (e.g. dictionary) showing it as "hotdog" is good enough. I think you should close the move request, however, since it is clearly a minority spelling. A15730 (talk) 13:04, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
Il let the move req stay up for a week so more can give their opinion.
As for sources, here are some variety:
Blockhaj (talk) 13:23, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
Any source on Wiktionary should be ignored because it is a sister website of Wikipedia that is also user-generated. Also, in my oppose comment above I mentioned that we should consider the WP:ENGVAR aspect, so that would mean ignoring any source published in the UK included websites with .uk, and only focusing on sources in American English. Zzyzx11 (talk) 16:03, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
Merriam-Webster defines "hotdog" as a verb meaning "to perform in a conspicuous or often ostentatious manner" while the sausage is spelled "hot dog" . Dictionary.com is similar . ~~ Jessintime (talk) 19:28, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
Beyond these dictionaries, there is nothing on this subject, it is overplayed. Ive never heard of it, neither can i find anything on it. Hotdog is a dish. Anything else is colloquial. Blockhaj (talk) 20:17, 30 June 2025 (UTC)
Blockhaj, please read this discussion of the term "hotdog" in surfing. And here is a discussion of "hotdog" in skiing. And here is discussion in the New York Times of the term "hotdog" in sports like baseball, football and boxing. Just because one Wikipedia editor is unfamiliar with a term does not mean it is not in common usage. Cullen328 (talk) 08:21, 1 July 2025 (UTC)
@Cullen328 im not just unfamiliar, i can only get results when specifically searching for it. These are all secondary to the dish. Blockhaj (talk) 17:02, 1 July 2025 (UTC)
Blockhaj, you are the editor who wrote Ive never heard of it, neither can i find anything on it. Nobody is arguing that the sport related term is the primary topic. Only that it is a variant meaning, especially with the "hotdog" spelling or when used as a verb. I see from your userpage that you are from Sweden. Perhaps you are less familiar with the American sports terminology. Cullen328 (talk) 18:01, 1 July 2025 (UTC)
My nationality may very well be the reason i am unfamiliar with it, but ive also checked with an american friend and he neither was familiar with it. Either way, we should include this spelling in the article. Blockhaj (talk) 18:07, 1 July 2025 (UTC)
@Blockhaj: "Hot dog", with the space, is the name used by reliable sources. Please stop with the crusade to add "hotdog" to the article lead. 162 etc. (talk) 20:12, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
@162 etc. we are to include spelling variations. That is standard. Blockhaj (talk) 20:48, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
Enough with this. We follow the established editorial agreement, which is based on the majority view from reliable sources, per WP:CONSENSUS. In this case, authoritative dictionaries (hot dog, hot dog, hot dog, hot dog, hot dog) all use hot dog (two words) for the food.
As mentioned already, the single-word "hotdog" is generally reserved for the verb as slang in sports contexts, not for food type.
Editors including User:162 etc., User:Zzyzx11, User:Jessintime, User:Cullen328, User:⁠BarrelProof and User:A15730 have all expressed support for this. While "hotdog" may appear in informal or erroneous contexts, or as a loanword in other languages, this does not support giving it any sort of prominence in the article or article lead. Qpwoeizmxnr (talk) 21:58, 9 July 2025 (UTC)
And you can add me to the list of editors who don't agree with adding "hotdog" to the llead. Blockhaj, you have broken WP:3RR on this today. That is a bright line violation if anyone chooses to take this to the edit warring board. Meters (talk) 22:10, 9 July 2025 (UTC)

Clarity

In the history section, the paragraph beginning: "A German immigrant named Feuchtwanger" is not written clearly. Perhaps something like this is better?

A German immigrant named Feuchtwanger, from Frankfurt, in Hesse, allegedly pioneered the practice in the American Midwest; there are several versions of the story with varying details. According to one account, Feuchtwanger proposed the use of a bun in 1880: Feuchtwanger's husband sold hot dogs on the streets of St. Louis, Missouri, and provided gloves to his customers so that they could handle the sausages without burning their hands. The business losing money when customers did not return the gloves, Feuchtwanger suggested serving the sausages in a roll instead.[16] In another version, Antoine Feuchtwanger, or Anton Ludwig Feuchtwanger, served sausages in rolls at the World's Fair – either at the 1904 Louisiana Purchase Exposition in St. Louis,[17][18] or, earlier, at the 1893 World's Columbian Exposition, in Chicago[19] – again, allegedly because the white gloves provided to customers to protect their hands were being kept as souvenirs.[20] 2A02:8084:20:400:5409:2A1B:6A8F:1822 (talk) 22:33, 10 August 2025 (UTC)

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