Talk:Iran–Israel relations

In October 2025, the Gamaan Institute published its latest report on the 12-day war. According to the findings, a clear majority of respondents (69%) believed that “the Islamic Republic should stop calling for the destruction of Israel,” while 20% disagreed. In terms of country favorability measured in the survey, Israel ranked second after the United States, receiving 39% positive and 48% negative views among Iranians.

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Apsa 54 (talk) 23:15, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

This can be added to the last paragraph. Apsa 54 (talk) 23:25, 14 November 2025 (UTC)

 Done Hi Apsa 54, I have added your text to that section, slightly edited though and without using bold format. Lova Falk (talk) 15:38, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

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This edit request has been answered. Set the |answered= parameter to no to reactivate your request. Delete the sentence stating that "In Spring of 1948, 30,000 Iranians in Tehran gathered to protest against the establishment of Israel." Reason: The claim appears to rely on a single recent secondary source (Seyed Alavi, *Iran and Palestine: Past, Present, Future*) and does not appear to be supported by contemporaneous historical reporting or multiple independent reliable sources. Given the specificity and scale of the numerical claim (30,000 participants), stronger verification is required under Wikipedia’s policies on verifiability (WP:V) and the burden of evidence (WP:BURDEN). Unless additional high-quality reliable sources (e.g., contemporaneous newspapers, peer-reviewed historical scholarship) can corroborate both the event and the reported number of participants, the statement should either be removed or rewritten to avoid presenting an unverified figure as established fact. Suggested alternative wording if editors prefer retention: Change the sentence to: "Some sources claim that protests occurred in Tehran following the establishment of Israel in 1948; however, the scale and details of these demonstrations remain disputed." Hadvat (talk) 07:49, 22 February 2026 (UTC) Not done: your request appears to have been generated by a large language model. Please do not use AI chatbots to edit Wikipedia. Day Creature (talk) 17:04, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

LLM-created or not, this is a fully legitimate discussion of a sentence in our article, that may or may not be true. I won't undo the collapsing, but simply copy the original request and try to investigate this issue further. In this time of disinformation, it is very important that everything in Wikipedia is as true as it can be. Presently trying to access the source. Lova Falk (talk) 11:55, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

Original edit request: Delete the sentence stating that "In Spring of 1948, 30,000 Iranians in Tehran gathered to protest against the establishment of Israel."

Reason: The claim appears to rely on a single recent secondary source (Seyed Alavi, *Iran and Palestine: Past, Present, Future*) and does not appear to be supported by contemporaneous historical reporting or multiple independent reliable sources. Given the specificity and scale of the numerical claim (30,000 participants), stronger verification is required under Wikipedia’s policies on verifiability (WP:V) and the burden of evidence (WP:BURDEN).

Unless additional high-quality reliable sources (e.g., contemporaneous newspapers, peer-reviewed historical scholarship) can corroborate both the event and the reported number of participants, the statement should either be removed or rewritten to avoid presenting an unverified figure as established fact.

Suggested alternative wording if editors prefer retention: Change the sentence to: "Some sources claim that protests occurred in Tehran following the establishment of Israel in 1948; however, the scale and details of these demonstrations remain disputed." Hadvat (talk) 07:49, 22 February 2026 (UTC)

So, I have now access to this source. Alavi cites Azzam Tamimi's Hamas: Unwritten Chapters (pp. 198–200).

Continuing my research. Here is both Haaretz and the Telegraph who say that Tamimi has said that he would blow himself up in a strike against Israel and has declared his support for Hamas. He cannot be considered a good, neutral source.

I did a google search, and I cannot find any alternative good source for this protest. So I will remove this sentence.

 Done Lova Falk (talk) 12:13, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

 Undone: this request has been undone. The request should never have been carried out in the first place, since it was generated with AI. And your reason for removing the sentence doesn't hold water. Both Alavi's and Tamimi's books are high-quality academic secondary sources and clearly meet the WP:RS criteria. You rely on a blatant ad hominem argument to discredit Tamimi, referring to certain controversial political views he has expressed. We don't evaluate the reliability of sources this way. Day Creature (talk) 17:09, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

Is the statement "In Spring of 1948, 30,000 Iranians in Tehran gathered to protest against the establishment of Israel" accurate? It is currently presented as a statement of fact. Sean.hoyland (talk) 17:16, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

Some convenience stuff for interested parties.

Text from Alavi's research paper.

• Ayatollah Kashani subsequently called for popular demonstrations in support of the Palestinians, and in spring 1948 some thirty thousand Iranians gathered at the Sultani Mosque in Tehran (later renamed the Imam Khomeini Mosque) to protest the establishment of the state of Israel. Ayatollah Kashani continuously called on the Iranian public to financially support Palestinian freedom fighters (fedayeen) in their struggle against the state of Israel.

The source is

• 19 M. Rajabi and Derangi Hassan, Mojahedat-hay-e Ayatollah Seyed Abul-Qassem Kashani [A View of Ayatollah Kashani’s Struggle], The Islamic Revolution Document Centre, 29/09/1387 (Summer 2008). Also available at http://www.irdc.ir/fa/content/5878/default.aspx [Accessed 16 July 2013]

Sean.hoyland (talk) 17:33, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

Thanks for putting the sources together. It doesn't seem like Tamimi is being cited at all by Alavi for this statement, so I think that objection can be dismissed. I'm getting an error when trying to access the Rajabi/Hassan source, but given that the Alavi book seems reliable I don't see any issue with including the sentence. Day Creature (talk) 17:37, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

Yes, I see now that I made a mistake. I found source 66 on page 125 in the book, but I should have found source 66 on page 42. However, The request should never have been carried out in the first place, since it was generated with AI, as an editor I am of course free to investigate any claim that a sentence is not correct, regardless of whether this is on my own initiative, a response to an edit request written by somebody who used PPM, or written by a sock-puppet. I did not blindly perform the requested edit, I investigated and made a mistake. I apologise for the mistake. And I will continue investigating text in Wikipedia articles, if I deem necessary. And thank you for correcting me about the source of the statement! Lova Falk (talk) 18:11, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

Someone challenged the content in a reasonable way and that is perfectly fine. Since we only have a single source right now maybe it would be better to use attribution. There may be other sources out there (perhaps about Kashani) that will be found at some point. Sean.hoyland (talk) 18:43, 27 February 2026 (UTC)