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Ban in the US
Jared Diamond in Collapse said that we ban Kangaroos meat because "ee find kangaroos cute, and because a Congressman's wife heard they were endangered." Anybody know the story behind this? Is the US Kangaroo meat ban in the US due to a delusional wife putting pressure on her idiot husband? --71.192.116.13 04:26, 18 April 2007 (UTC)
Haven't heard the story but no doubt true. There is a common misconception that kangaroos are endangered. In fact there have never been more kangaroos in Australia. Much of the inland parts of the Eastern half of the continent are underpinned by a large aquifer known as the 'Great Artesian Basin' where traditionally, ranchers and farmers could sink a borehole and have unlimited water flow to the surface to be used in cattle troughs, and often just flowing away to form artificial wetlands. This, and the felling of much of the Eastern forests to form grazing lands has provided a huge abundance of previously unavailable food for kangaroos leading to a population explosion. Thus culling is often practiced, and instead of leaving the corpses to rot in the paddocks, they are increasingly being culled for food. The flavour is somewhat like venison. You know you aren't eating beef or lamb. I believe a similar trend to 'game' meats is being experienced in the USA with farmed Bison meat etc becoming available.--MichaelGG 10:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)
- According to this article, only California has the ban, which is likely to be overturned.
- http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,20867,21831278-1702,00.html --58.107.102.215 03:24, 1 June 2007 (UTC)
- probably the same people who eat cute fluffy white lambs, adorable pink pigs, soft doe-eyed calves. Australian Aborigines ate kangaroo, and often relied on it as a staple meat, for 50,000 years. Get over it.
I do beleive at least one (maybe two or three) species of the 69 species of kangaroo are endangered. Some are threatened. Most are near theatened or vulnerable. Sone are also in the least concern category. I have no opinion on eating kangaroos at all, though. Most species are thriving though, anyway and you are right there have never really been more. I am not an Aussie from down under. Sorry about the long line of text, something is wrong with my computer --RayquazaDialgaWeird2210 (talk) 23:35, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- I don't think you know what you're talking about. There are no species of kangaroo that are endangered. There are various smaller marsupials in that family that are, such as the Quokka, but none are commonly called kangaroos. Etimodnar (talk) 13:27, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
- Actuley he does, "kangaroo" is an informal term for a variety of animals in the family Macropodidae. In this group you have yellow footed rock wallabies and other highly endangered animals. However the eastern grays are normally the only ones to be culled for food so although you can say "some kangaroos are endangered" the ones that are used for food are by no means threatened. --Hypo Mix (talk) 05:42, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
- I don't think you know what you're talking about. There are no species of kangaroo that are endangered. There are various smaller marsupials in that family that are, such as the Quokka, but none are commonly called kangaroos. Etimodnar (talk) 13:27, 4 May 2008 (UTC)
There is some truth behind that kangaroos are endangered, there are in fact 13 extinct species of Macropodidae, however, the species that are hunted for meat, such as the red or grey kangaroo, are in vast numbers and are NOT endangered.Chocolog (talk) 15:44, 27 August 2009 (UTC)
Product Section - Ref#6
This source is a press release from the livestock industry trying to sell kangaroo meat. The stats might be correct, but I think this really needs a better source since this group is certainly not NPOV. Bob98133 13:28, 2 June 2007 (UTC)
I think this is the same ref discussed below and was the from the CSIRO which is no mere livestock organisation --Matilda talk 06:02, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Expansion
Article could be usefully expanded, particularly on production details and statistics as well as comparison to grazing livestock. This ref has a lot of useful detail, I would do it but don't have time right now: An industry that's under the gun Rexparry sydney 07:11, 26 September 2007 (UTC)
the ref has been used Matilda talk 01:49, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Cooking Methods
Mentioned in the article is the best way to cook kangaroo meat (raw to medium raw), but through my own experience with frequently cooking kangaroo meat, I've found that a slow cooker makes it very tender and juicy. Perhaps something to that effect could be mentioned within the article.
Also, buying kangaroo meat tends to be cheaper than sheep/pig/cow meat. Etimodnar 08:10, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
- Unfortunately without a source it can't. As for the cost part, I presume it depends where you live. I'm guessing that's Australia. It's probably not the case in much of the rest of the world. Another factoid which I don't know how easy it is to source is that most commercial kangaroos tends to be fairly poor quality. The way the industry operates (supported by the above link under a gun) is that there is incentive for hunters to shoot the biggest kangaroos ignoring that these are usually the oldest and toughest ones, usually males (of course this is good from management perspective) so the meat is correspondingly fairly poor quality Nil Einne 22:44, 27 October 2007 (UTC)
- http://books.google.com.au/books?id=UpuH0dA4xVQC&pg=PA135 is a source on traditional indigenous australian cooking methods --Matilda talk 06:49, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
Kangaroo over Cattle
Why do we even eat cattle? Is it because that is a tradition that has followed Europeans to Australia and is simple and economical? Why don't we farm kangaroos instead? I think we should phase out cows and phase in kangaroos as a meat of choice. I mean there perfectly fine there's nothing wrong with kangaroo meat so what need do we really have for cows when our native animals can meet all these needs? TeePee-20.7 00:22, 1 November 2007 (UTC)
There is, in fact, a swelling of green advocacy for replacing cattle consumption with roo, as the sheep, goat and cow populations produce tons of methane, while kangaroos produce none. Efforts to isolate the bacteria believed to cause this phenomenon are ongoing, with the intention of introducing them to other species. but there is no guarantee these efforts will produce a desired result. Reducing the cultivation of other livestock in favour of free range kangaroo, on the other hand, is sure to reduce the carbon load, unless we do something really stupid to wipe out the bacteria mentioned above. 18:50, 21 December 2007 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bustter (talk • contribs)
- the main issue is that you can't contain Kangaroos on a farm, you would have to build a massive (and expensive) fence to keep them contained. You would have to revegitate your farm and be allocated a number of kangaroos you can shoot... a tough idea to push in agricultural areas that have been farming sheep since their forefathers settled the land. Also there isn't much market for kangaroo yet, so that limits production... so yes good in theory but hard to get it started. --Hypo Mix (talk) 05:48, 8 November 2008 (UTC)
Kangaroo Species
As soon as I read this article, there was something wrong with it. It said, "Any of the the three species of kangaroo". Pardon me, but aren't there over 60 species of kangaroo? (69 I think.) Or if they are just referring to the three main types of kangaroo, the western grey kangaroo, eastern grey kangaroo, or red kangaroo. If that is the case, then there is nothing wrong with it. I was wondering if I could edit that. --RayquazaDialgaWeird2210 (talk) 23:27, 28 January 2008 (UTC)
- There are around 60 species in their family and four in their genus according to their article (Kangaroo). It's off-topic in their article, so I removed it. Royalbroil 23:29, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
Kangaroo Meat Scandal
There should be something in the article about the 'roo in the stew' meat substitution scandal in the early 80s, the effects on beef exports, etc.--121.45.0.223 (talk) 06:20, 30 April 2008 (UTC)
- Would need to be referenced - I think it was mainly horse meat rather than kangaroo. There is a redlinked article in the list of Royal Commissions that is relevant: Royal Commission into Australian meat industry Some refs to start thinking about are:
- http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bd/2006-07/07bd004.htm
- In August 1981 discoveries were made in the United States of horse meat having been substituted for beef by an Australian meat export establishment. The reputation of the Australian meat industry was severely tarnished. (See Royal Commission into the Australian Meat Industry, Report, 1982). In response to the ‘meat substitution scandal’ the Customs (Unlawful Exportation of Food) Act 1982 and the Meat Export (Penalties) Act 1982 were enacted. These Acts were replaced by the Export Control Act 1982 which commenced operation on 1 January 1983.
- http://www.ncjrs.gov/App/publications/Abstract.aspx?id=122656
- The 1981 discovery that horsemeat and kangaroo meat were being substituted for beef in meat exported by Australia to the United States and other countries produced widespread changes in Australian law and administration related to commodity exports.
- http://www.theage.com.au/news/business/entrepreneur-rebuilds-after-meat-scandal/2006/12/03/1165080818572.html
- ENTREPRENEUR Giuseppe Catalfamo has done a remarkable job rebuilding his business empire after the disastrous meat substitution scandal that threatened to derail the export industry in the early 1980s.
A decade on from serving out a 10-year exporting ban over his periphery role in the saga, Mr Catalfamo is now in charge of one of Australia's largest and most respected meat processors, the Tasman Group of companies.
Employing more than 1800 people, the company exports red-meat products to more than 50 countries and is a big supplier to Australia's second-largest supermarket chain, Coles. As its website claims, brand integrity is a must.
But that wasn't always the case for Mr Catalfamo. Back in 1982, his company, Jason Meats, was embroiled in the meat substitution scandal after shipments to the US were found to contain horse meat.
- ENTREPRENEUR Giuseppe Catalfamo has done a remarkable job rebuilding his business empire after the disastrous meat substitution scandal that threatened to derail the export industry in the early 1980s.
- http://www.smh.com.au/news/business/somethings-off-in-the-meat-division/2006/12/10/1165685552369.html
- http://www.theage.com.au/news/business/beef-over-king-island-meat-hard-to-swallow/2006/12/18/1166290476670.html
- http://www.science.org.au/reports/aqis2.htm
- ... 1981 Royal Commission into the Australian Meat Industry and the subsequent passage of the Export Control Act of 1982 and formation of the Export Inspection Service.
- http://www.aph.gov.au/library/pubs/bd/2006-07/07bd004.htm
- The report itself does not seem tobe published on line - 1982 is too long ago --Matilda talk 01:47, 19 August 2008 (UTC)
- It took 15 years, but Australian meat substitution scandal now has an article and it's linked from this. Jpatokal (talk) 06:08, 2 February 2024 (UTC)