Talk:Kazakh Khanate

The Kazakh Khanate had two founders - one was [Khan] and the other Kerei, or Kerey, or Girei Khan. The latter went on to become greater than the former. There is no page for this leader, Kerei reverts to a tribal reference. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kraisch (talk • contribs) 13:23, 26 December 2016 (UTC)

We've had this debate already over at the Gokturk talk page. As far as I know, the Turkish government page and of the World are not adequate sources. For one, FOTW gets the flags from the Turkish government website. As the flags are shown basically nowhere else that is NOT a derivative of either the Turkish site or a FOTW mirror , I do not think their existence is certain enough to upload to Wikipedia. Note that even the | image description recognizes the flag as dubious: "Note that no such Khanate ever existed, and the flag is probably a fantasy design." Therefore I am removing the flag from the page until there is definitive proof that it should remain. rcduggan (talk) 17:03, 11 October 2008 (UTC)

On the other hand it is worth mentioning that the image description in question was not the original comment of the uploader, but instead was an opinion added by someone else later (check history here - ) Selerian (talk) 00:37, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

The flag was added back again in 2009, rev id 281818545. It definitely appears to be a fantasy flag. I'll remove it again. —Firespeaker (talk) 23:24, 19 July 2015 (UTC)

There is information and a list added about captured, enslaved Russians and Europeans by the Kazakhs, probably this was added to justify the colonisation of the Kazakh lands by the Russians and the forced destruction of their lifestyle. 1 million Kazakhs died in the famine 1930s result of Russian colonisation, while the most fertile Kazakh lands were given to Russian settlers.

What happened to the Native Americans in the United States, also took place in Central Asia, the victims were the native population and the colonists were Russians and other Europeans.

What is missing in this story is that there were Russian/ Cossacks raids into Kazakh/native areas as well, furthermore Russians colonised steppe lands of the nomad Kazakhs and did not allowed them to use it anymore, they took their lands and resources.

So the story is basically that the Kazaks suffered much more but that is not emphasized in the article, instead the colonisation is tried to be justified. DragonTiger23 (talk) 16:19, 17 March 2013 (UTC)

Why out of all events in the history of the Kazakh Khanate, "slavery" was highlighted into a separate section? Events (so called "Kazakh raids") listed in this section were sporadic cases rather than influential continuous processes and their coverage is way too expanded. Meanwhile, raids and massacres by the Russian Empire are underreported and downplayed, which raises concerns about the neutrality of the article. I am not saying the information in this section is all wrong, but making slavery an only separate headline in the article about Kazakh Khanate is irrelevant and biased. Articles about the Roman/Portuguese/British Empires (the largest slave traders in the Earth's history) don't have sections about slavery at all, but Kazakh Khanate for some reason has. What is this, hypocrisy? — Preceding unsigned comment added by EzraK1999 (talk • contribs) 20:03, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Is there any source that Persian was widely used in the military of the Kazakh Khanate? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.243.3.179 (talk) 16:14, 25 April 2021 (UTC)

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I've never heard of this war. If anyone have the sources for the war, please share it here so that I can review the article. PurpleRequiem (talk) 06:59, 2 December 2023 (UTC)

The territory of the Kazakh Khanate was 3.2 square kilometers. 2A0D:B201:41:349D:1:0:F2DB:B8F8 (talk) 13:11, 27 February 2024 (UTC)

@IUseGnu reason for reverting my edits? Just a reminder: this is not the Russian Wikipedia, and the rules here are different. Incall ^talk 07:54, 20 July 2025 (UTC)

You drew the maps incorrectly and introduced original synthesis, regardless of the language of the project, this contradicts Wikipedia's core policies on verifiability and no original research. You cannot take partial historical facts and combine them into a political map without explicit sources stating the final borders or territorial claims in that specific format or without discussing with other the colleagues. I told you before, the discussion is still going on.
You can’t just draw political borders based on your own interpretation of history, especially when no reliable source shows the map the way you drew it.
Your edit was reverted because the map is misleading and not backed by sources. If you have an academic or published historical map that matches what you drew, feel free to show it we can discuss it. But until then, it’s original research.
Also, saying “this is not Russian Wikipedia” sounds like a personal jab, maps are universal. Let’s keep the discussion focused on sources and rules, not on countries or places. Wikipedia policies like, WP:V and WP:SOURCE are universal. English Wikipedia is, in fact often stricter in enforcing them. IUseGnu (talk) 12:37, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

Was this text written by ChatGPT? It seems way too similar to its style. And secondly, if you’re not familiar with maps, I can ask some colleagues from enwiki who can explain everything to you in detail. Incall ^talk 14:13, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

No that text wasn’t written by ChatGPT. It was written by me. As for the map feel free to ask anyone from enwiki. And remember the discussion is still ongoing and we’ll follow the admin’s decision once it’s made. Until then, I politely ask you not to make any changes. IUseGnu (talk) 14:54, 21 July 2025 (UTC)

@Incall, why did you remove the status "nomadic empire" from the article? It's not Russian wikipedia, and you removed the information from the English encyclopedia (Oxford and Britannica). Also, 'кочевое государство' is the page for "nomadic empire" on the Russian wikipedia and Uyghur, Kyrgyz Khaganate and Dzungar Khanate have this status too. Please don't start a conflict over nothing, especially on the English wikipedia. IUseGnu (talk) 16:38, 9 September 2025 (UTC)