Talk:Krasnov

Can we stop adding baseless claims being reported by mostly tabloids and other questionable sources to the page?

All you're doing is slowly eroding Wikipedia's credibility. 92.19.198.81 (talk) 01:07, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Can you "anonymous users" stop maliciously censoring Wikipedia articles for partisan political purposes, simply because you want to hide the evidence of a powerful Republican politician's KGB connections? All you're doing is rapidly eroding Wikipedia's credibility by suppressing essential facts, trying to turn Wikipedia into a state-approved, censored, suppressed version in order to appease the most powerful politician in the world and his sidekick the richest man in the world. The American people deserve to know about the KBG connections of the "leader of the free world," it is definitely newsworthy, and facts should never be suppressed in order to appease a man who wants to be dictator, a man who is currently collaborating with Russian dictator Putin to carve up Europe. His 38 years of being a Russian asset is important, crucial news that should not be suppressed or censored, no matter how much the would-be dictator threatens, bullies, and harasses journalists, no matter how many times he threatens to revoke the licenses of journalists who dare to criticize him or expose the truth, no matter how much he sends veiled death threats to journalists. Democracy dies in darkness. Gato63 (talk) 01:19, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

This has nothing to do with "partisan political purposes" and everything to do with the fact that Wikipedia should not have baseless conspiracy theories stated as fact on their pages.

Besides, what evidence? A Facebook post supposedly from an ex-KGB member, assuming that it's actually him running the account and not someone posing as him to spread misinformation?

There are a billion ways to criticise politicians. Baseless conspiracy theories are not one of those ways. 92.19.198.81 (talk) 01:34, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

I agree with the anonymous editor, having done some looking around and only finding questionable sources at best (e.g.: the Mirror Group-owned Irish Star and Daily Kos – referencing a now-deleted article on the Daily Beast) Even the Economic Times hedges their bets by specifying it's all alleged.   –Skywatcher68 (talk) 02:18, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

• Are people really edit warring something that was made up on Facebook into the article? Have you not heard of WP:BLP? --Malcolmxl5 (talk) 12:08, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

  +1 to this. This is not malicious censorship; the factoid just has not been reported on by reliable sources, and the rare semi-reliable source that has reported on it has stated it as "alleged" at most. Jokullmusic 15:15, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

I have warned the IP address for violating WP:3RR, this is no place for an edit war. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:05, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

I don't mind being warned about an "edit war", but that isn't an excuse for keeping baseless claims on the page, especially as multiple people here have now pointed out the bad sourcing on it. 92.19.198.81 (talk) 17:11, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

Actually, this is a set index page page, to be a directory for a bunch of similarly titled entries. It's not baseless, there is a source. One of the edit summaries mentioned the Obama birth conspiracy, which also has an article. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:13, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

I saw that edit summary and they specifically brought it up as the reason why this *shouldn't* be on this page.

I am willing to compromise though if the entry is changed from "stated KGB codename" to "alleged KGB codename", because it is ultimately an allegation that is as of yet unproven. 92.19.198.81 (talk) 17:19, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

In my opinion, it should be added. As you stated, it's a set index page, the nickname going public will inevitably draw people here. I also agree with the IP that it should be wrote as "alleged"; bluntly saying that is was his codename suggests that he has worked for the KGB, which is not confirmed. — E_F⁵ 17:36, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

I originally had it as "alleged", and changed it back to that. ♫ Hurricanehink (talk) 17:55, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

This is resolved at this point, but weren't the IP user's actions specifically one of the exemptions from the 3RR guidelines (specifically #7?) They were reverting edits adding BLP info that were only citing tabloid articles. Jokullmusic 03:17, 25 February 2025 (UTC)

it got popular in reddit 2600:480A:4A51:9300:C5AC:BF00:DC58:1879 (talk) 22:22, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

2600:480A:4A51:9300:C5AC:BF00:DC58:1879, right now none of the "KGB" allegations have been confirmed by reliable sources, so probably not. Enough has been published for inclusion here, though. — E_F⁵ 22:28, 24 February 2025 (UTC)

The allegation doesn't have to be "confirmed" or proven true, only documented by RS. It doesn't have to be true. Many sources, including some good RS, are covering this. American sources are naturally reluctant as Trump is extremely litigious, so we may have to rely on non-U.S. sources, and that's fine. We have some good ones. Now the matter is covered elsewhere with many sources, so we can close this down here. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 03:50, 26 February 2025 (UTC)

I don't know what's going on here, but the list is somewhat corrupted/compromised. See Pyotr and Semyon. Hjal (talk) 12:30, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

What do you mean by "corrupted"? -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 15:59, 1 March 2025 (UTC)

The link from the last name in the Krasnov surname list is not a White Russian born 1946 (which made me check it), but rather a Chilean cyclist. Rialannah (talk) 23:25, 3 March 2025 (UTC)

Have you actually looked at the article? See Semyon Krasnov -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 04:21, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

My apologies Valjean - I looked rather quickly. However, at the moment the birth year for Semyon Krasnov is listed as 1946, whereas this is the birth year of his son, Mikhail (not a cyclist, mea culpa). Rialannah (talk) 05:50, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Good catch! I have fixed that. Thanks. -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 06:39, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

And the position of Semyon needs to be moved up the list to maintain alphabetical order. Should Mikhail be listed in the main list as well, and not just as an addition to his father? Interesting family! Rialannah (talk) 06:46, 4 March 2025 (UTC)

Okay, I have tweaked things. Is that what you wanted? -- Valjean (talk) (PING me) 01:11, 5 March 2025 (UTC)

Thanks Valjean - could have done it myself, but you seemed to have a bit more skin in the game. It looks logical now. Rialannah (talk) 01:13, 5 March 2025 (UTC)